May 26th, 2009

Cameron : My Government Will Be “Open, Online All the Time”

Dave has just finished a speech laying out some of his big ideas for the oft-promised (by him) “Post-Bureaucratic Age”.  He is advocating local control over schools, housing and policing with the right to initiate local and national referenda. More mayors; fewer quangos and open primaries for parliamentary candidates. 

All good, but has he really got the revolutionary zeal of Margaret Thatcher needed to take on the entrenched bureaucracy?

Dave is promising something easily achievable, so long as he can change the secrecy culture in public life:

“Everything about our political process published online, all the time: the expenses, the spending, the lobbying, parliamentary proceedings, the lot.”

That is doable.  Guido also wants to see every government contract published online, it is our money, we want to see where it is going.  “Commercially sensitive” is code for sellers don’t like price competition, secrecy hinders open competition driving down costs.  Publish what we pay.

Guido is even more sceptical about his plans to curb the power of the whips in parliament and the influence  of spin doctors in government.  It is not like he is without spin doctors in opposition.

He appears to be getting ideas from reading the right stuff.  In the Guardian this morning Cameron said

“the new politics we need should be a massive, sweeping, radical redistribution of power: from the state to citizens; from the government to parliament; from Whitehall to communities; from the EU to Britain; …  we must take power from the elite and hand it to the man and woman in the street.”

Dan Hannan and Douglas Carswell obviously influenced the writer because in theirThe Planthey said

“We need a radical shift of power …. redistribute power back, from Brussels to Westminster, from Whitehall to town halls, from the state to the citizens. …. disperse power among communities, through localism and through referendums”.

The Planis a huge hit, an Amazon bestseller and the all-time best-selling publish-on-demand publication ever sold by Amazon.  Guido simply can’t recall a wonkish policy manifesto selling like this before.The Road to Serfdom maybe back in the forties is the only equivalent that comes to mind.  The internet is really, finally, starting to change how we do politics...

See also : Political Class Starting to Fear the Public’s Anger


  1. 1
    Anonymous says:

    And What are Dave’s views on Europe?

  2. 2
    The Invisible Man says:

    Look’s like I might soon be out of a job!

  3. 3

    I imagine that, even if the government really decided to put everything online, the IT procurement process for this would become a nightmare, would take twenty years and a hundred billion dollars, and would itself not be published online.

  4. 4
    Andy Carpark says:

    I have just paid my first visit to Nadine Dorries’s blog and am really struggling to find an adequate measure of its shrill self-obsession, self-dramatisation and self-conceit.

    The best I can do, even though barely adequate, is to nominate Heather Mills as the thinking man’s Nadine Dorries.

  5. 5
    David Cameron says:

    Nobody can be bothered to read his obfucatory waffle.

    Two words, Gove and Wiggin.

    No, three words
    Gove, Wiggin and Kirkbride
    (yes that’s four and the one above was three)

    Also let’s study Madshipman Danananan Hanananan’s MEP expenses instead!

    Any info GuidOrcs Oaf?

    Hwoar, hwoar, howar!

  6. 6
    Anonymous says:

    You really are getting rather tedious MB – isn’t there some traffic somewhere that mummy wanted you to play with?

  7. 7
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Which part of “…….redistribute power, from Brussels to Westminster”……. did you not understand?

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    Rod Jones says:

    Cameron’s ideas are going to go down well judging by what people are saying in my local (cafe) this morning: positive enthusiasm for him emanating from people I wouldn’t have thought of as Conservatives. The key issue is going to be competence, honesty and keeping out of our lives versus what we’ve had for 12 years. Hague on Today was impressive. I’m no ‘natural Tory’ but I’m prepared to listen to the Conservatives, some of whom (Steen, Dorries, MacKay, Kirkbride etc apart) sound normalish, whereas New Labour don’t seem to have anyone that gets past their first sentence without me hurling unhealthy abuse at the radio / TV. I know some Conservatives have it in for Dave, but for a lot of us, he’s starting to really look like someone who could run things well.

  9. 9
    Dave says:

    It is referendA, not referendUMS.

    More seriously, this power shift was advocated decades ago as ‘subsidiarity’. However, Blair learnt his centralising ways from Thatcher. Plus ca change!

    (If we had a good education system, the powers-that-be might be more inclined to trust the serfs – but see above.)

  10. 10
    I am Sick says:

    “Which part of “…….redistribute power, from Brussels to Westminster”……. did you not understand?”

    I understand it, I just dont believe it.

  11. 11
    Ghost Righter says:

    Interesting spinning these days…

    Labour want PR to protect their MP’s and their political interests at the next(?) election.
    The Conservatives want a reduced number of candidates in order to mitigate this risk.

    All very interesting. :grin:

  12. 12
    Anonymous says:

    Guff, guff and more guff, in between chasing bandwagons.

    He has not an original thought in his well-coiffured head. What about his recession-beating economic policies? Care to spell them out (and see how popular they are)?

    Go tease your forelock “Dave”.

  13. 13
    disgusted says:

    “.. has he really got the revolutionary zeal of Margaret Thatcher needed to take on the entrenched bureaucracy?”

    What zeal? Did Maggie take on the police / the doctors / the teachers?

  14. 14
    Culloden says:

    The devil lies in the money. Money is power. We need to know exactly how control of our money will be decentralised.

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    Ian E says:

    Yes, she does seem to be living in an alternative unreality!

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    micha987 says:

    Be sceptical if you want to be, but I would rather have DC judging the public mood and taking steps in the right direction policy-wise, than GB doing…..erm….whatever he’s doing when he’s not saving the world….

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    Laurie Brown says:

    Well, I saw Cameron’s speech live on Sky News, and I, as a disaffected Tory holding no brief for him, was impressed. IF, and it’s still a big if, he can deliver, then it will truly shake the political landscape and redefine the relationship between citizen and State.

    The highlight for me was a promise to hold a referendum on Lisbon.

    I may come back into the fold Dave; keep it up…

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    bigmacsub says:

    Dave is getting a bit of a shoeing in the comments of his Guardian piece.

    Brown seems to have gone for cover.

    Wonder which approach will work best at the momnet with a pitchfork rich environment ensuing?

  20. 20
    evenmoreanonymous says:

    12, Anonymous.

    Come the election, cometh the policies.

    You’ll see.

  21. 21
    Lord Pedro Fondlebot of Boys says:

    So is it ba or bums? Just a thought?

  22. 22
    Flotom says:

    Yet again another politician incapable of saying England like Brown. England the oldest country in Europe and the only country without its own Parliament in Europe.

    Brown goes to Scotland and talks about Scottish comes to England and talks about British.

    Cameron gives a speech about reform and fails to say anything about the English being 2nd class citizens within the UK.

    Brown and Cameron say nothing about the Barnett formula allocating £1500 per annum to every Scottish man woman and child than to every English man woman and child.
    England is a dirty word to these people.

    I support England and an English Parliament and am a signatory to The English Claim of Right

  23. 23
    evenmoreanonymous says:

    If you can’t be bothered to read it, but can be bothered to comment, more fool you.

  24. 24
    Anonymous says:

    Would you not like to be governed by someone who has had a proper non-PR/non-political job before entering politics?

  25. 25
    Dalesman says:

    It’s all good “sound – bitey” stuff for the moment. I’ll believe itmore when I see it in the Tory manifesto.

  26. 26
    bigmacsub says:

    What does Ad Hominem mean mummy?

  27. 27
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    LOL. Respect!

  28. 28
    Anonymous says:

    so i guess labour talk out of their bA, not theirs bUMS?

  29. 29
    Ian E says:

    Of course the correct plural of referendum is the subject of quite a debate! Wikipedia suggests that both are acceptable :
    Even more intereting is the question whether computers are linked to mouses!?

  30. 30
    Anonymous says:

    oops we both thought of the same thing at the same time!

  31. 31
    Dave the Nepotistic Twit Who Has Never Done a Proper Day's Work in His Life says:

    I love Europe and say what my Masters in Brussels tell me to say.

  32. 32
    The Archbishop of Clerkenwell says:

    Say what you will about Dave he has lovely hair
    Great lift,body and gloss, not at all like the. greying ,nose picking oaf that pretends to be our Prime Minister.
    Also , unlike McMental ,
    Chances are that Dave has never been buggered by Lord Fondlesthe bums of rent Boys.
    When will this lame,unelected Prime Mentalist give the country a chance to tell him just what a twat we all think he is?

    Dave just go around and batter him, you have your own CPO’s you aint going to be arrested
    Take Prince Phillip and some nail studded baseball bats, you will will then be on a par with Winston

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    disgusted says:

    You could decentralise it all the way if you reduced state spending and either reduced taxes or increased state transfers.

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    Backwoodsman says:


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    Silvio Tanner says:




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    Lola says:

    It is not a matter of simply ‘handing back power’. It is a return to us of powers they have stolen. I want him to use more agressive language before I am going to be convinced that he really means it and is likely to carry it through.

    The main trouble in doing this will be Europe. Eurocrats must hate ‘The Plan’ and anything approaching it. It does them out of a job.

    But, at last, it looks like someone is finally beginning to get it.

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    Housing Hubba Bubba says:

    Considering the record of large government IT projects being delivered on time and on budget, I think publishing everything using stone tablets may be better.

  38. 38
    G says:

    Nadine Dorries even looks like Heather Mills and one can take bets that she acts like her too.

  39. 39
    DaemonBarber says:

    Lefties taking shots at Tory Leader on CiF Shocker!
    Hold the front page…

  40. 40
    Bordeaux Binger says:

    Did he really hint at more free votes in the Commons with less power to the whips or was I hallucinating again?

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    Twizzle says:

    Agreed 100%.

    I like a moan now and again – in fact I’m moaning most of the time – but give Cameron a bloody chance. I don’t see any other political entity in the UK giving any signals of change whatsoever. In particular Brown who appears to have gone into McCavity mode once again. Surprise, surprise.

    I wouldn’t expect anyone to come up with a comprehensive plan to change 300 years worth a Parliamentary procedure in 30 days – would you?

    Just get the f’ing ststae off my back Cameron. Please.

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    Dino Morose says:

    Why should we trust the ‘citizens’ any more than the politicians? I also don’t have time to run the country – that’s why i send an mp to westminster to do it for me! I don’t want more power – i want my elected representatives to do better. Cameron’s approach doesn’t sort that out.

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    Exiled in Wales says:

    I’ve read Osborne and Gaebler ‘Reinventing Government’ as well, and it’s a great book.

    Chap 1 Catalytic Government – Steering not Rowing
    Chap 2 Community-Owned Government – Empowering Rather than Serving
    Chap 9 Decentralised Government – From Hierachy to Participation

    Are just some of the ideas that have worked in other places. But the people who made them work had balls, and they were mostly in elected positions. Directly elected mayors, police chiefs and city managers.

    They were not the unelected, jobs-for-life, dog-in-the-manger public sector bureaucrats who run this country. If David Cameron is to be effective he’s going to have to take-on these people, just as Maggie took-on the unions. In fact, it’s really just Round Two of a struggle against vested interests.

    He needs to draw blood and I don’t think he’s got it in him. Boris in the other hand …

  44. 44
    Ron Knee says:

    Ha ha. “MPs treated worse than murderers and pa edophiles.”

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    Silvio Tanner says:








  46. 46
    Anonymous says:

    remember the Muppets’ song:

    “Ad hominem, boop boo bee doo boo”

  47. 47
    Anonymous says:

    What like Broon now, what non political job has he had

  48. 48
    grandma B says:

    Well done to Cameron for coming out and actually making a thought provoking speech.

    Where is Gordon in all this political chaos? In hiding? More importantly could I actually listen to Gordon for longer than 2 minutes reciting his long list of boring discredited statistics and justifications?

    Whatever some of you may think of the content of his speech, Cameron is actually an interesting speaker.

  49. 49
    Anonymous says:

    you may be thinking of communism mate.

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    You can never spend too much money - as long as it is someone else's says: says:

    Guido said:

    “That is doable. Guido also wants to see every government contract published online, it is our money, we want to see where it is going. “Commercially sensitive” is code for sellers don’t like price competition, secrecy hinders open competition driving down costs. Publish what we pay.”

    I like the sound of this, down in sunny Sarfend all the road repairs are done by same old firm, sometimes spending weeks on a job which any reputable contractor should be able to do in days.

    Nobody seems to care or ask questions and I am sure that this is a snapshot of how government and local government contracts are handled all over the country!

  51. 51
    Dave says:

    Trust me every word i say is sincere, just ask my speech writer!

  52. 52
    Anonymous says:

    Fabbo comment – why are all the Tory women so lousy. Nadine’s a walking advert for HRT

  53. 53
    VotR says:

    After watching Milliband’s sleazy weasel performance just, I’d vote Tory simply to get the Labour Party out of government.

    Dave could have said he was going to kill hamsters in a blood sacrifice at midnight during the general election and I would still vote Tory. At this point, I simply don’t care about Labour and I certainly don’t want them in power any more.

  54. 54
    Lola says:

    Yeah. Quite. There is historic correlation between state run fiat money and booms and busts. Privatise it. Repeal the legal tender laws and let anyone who thinks they can supply money. Let market forces dictate interest rates.

    You just can’t trust politicians with money, especially Labout politicians. They just don’t understand it.

  55. 55
    Dave says:

    “Which part of “…….redistribute power, from Brussels to Westminster”……. did you not understand?”

    We get to keep the pint glass, they get our army, post office, police force, technology, democracy.

  56. 56
    ex-soldier says:

    much more of this and NuLiebore will have nothing else to do but quit.

    Mmmmmmmm. I can but hope.

  57. 57
    Anonymous says:

    OED gives plural as ‘referendums’. But my sympathies: you and I were educated in the golden age before media studies.

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    Anonymous says:

    It is not the power that counts. It is the ability to monitor and predict, that is missing. Even if all the “power” is in Westminster, if the only ideas originate from Brussels there is no difference.

    Banking bonuses/irregularities and MP expenses are the best examples of this spoon fed parliament. Just look at the Data Protection issue. A database a week is lost. The ICO is failing under the mountain of complaints but nothing is done. However, along comes Brussels and highlights a few issues and the government jumps. However the real issue in this country about policing the Data Protection Act is missed.

  59. 59
    Anonymous says:

    I fear you are right.

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    I am in the middle of reading “The Plan” a book jointly written by Douglas Carswell MP and Daniel Hannan MEP. This book is along the lines of what Cameron is saying so he has evidently read it.

    I will believe Cameron only if he brings Doug Carswell into his Shadow Cabinet. If he doesn’t, then I would believe that he is only paying lip-service to Doug’s ideas.

    Personally, if Ladbrokes were offering odds, no matter how slight, I would put money on him not doing so.

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    LocalLad says:

    He certainly hinted at it but I seriously doubt he can actually deliver. The whips won’t allow it :)

    Still it’s another step in the right direction unlike Labour who seem to be going backwards if this is anything to go by.

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    We are closing down on benefit cheats like Mr Cameron MP says:

    Never mind Dave banging on about these high minded principles, the question remains:
    is David Cameron still falsely and unnecessarily claiming interest payments of £1700 per month from the taxpayer.
    The answer to that question is yes.
    Dave is a dodgy millionaire housing benefit fraudster.
    Until David Cameron stops defrauding the taxpayer by making his extravagant and false claims, his lectures on moral rectitude are are meaningless and perverse.

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    blagger1 says:

    Of course, no mention of the elephant in the room – a democratic voting system. Weird given how the current one hampers the Tories so much. In England they got more votes but ended up with nearly a hundred less MPs, and at the next election might need something like 5% more votes just to achieve parity.

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    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    And where is the referendum on the European Constitution Dave?

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    Used to be Don't Know - says:

    Be off with you, yesterday’s man!
    ‘Nepotistic’ = like, in this world you wouldn’t help those you care about/could be useful in your own employment, to earn a living?
    ‘never done a proper day’s work’ – please define a proper day’s work?
    ‘Twit’ = pathetic!

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    Steve the Hammer says:

    Broadly, I agree with RJ. I do feel relieved, rather than excited, about the impending government by Dave and Co. Also, I’m slightly sceptical about the reference to redistribute power from Brussels to Westminster, but maybe we can start with the promised referendum on the Lisbon treaty. I don’t expect miracles or perfection from Cameron but my hatred of Brown, Blair, Smith, Hoon, Balls, Cooper, the Milibands etc etc ad nauseum has gone far off the scale that whatever replaces them can only be miles better.

    However, what I really hope will emerge from everything we have endured will be (1) a government that will govern in the interest of the nation and not, as has been so blatant from the word go, for the benefit of the party in power (like the dumbing down of the education system so that Labour can pronounce themselves as wonderful) , and the glorification of the Prime Minister (Iraq comes to mind) and (2) I would also expect the public will now be treated with some respect rather than utter contempt. We have been routinely lied to and been subjected to endless re-announcements of existing promises, few of which are ever fulfilled anyway. This has been a feature of Labour, which started almost on day one with the Ecclestone scandal and has merely intensified.

    It is inevitable that this will happen to some degree once Labour are turfed out.

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    Ex-pat Englishman, living in America says:

    This is just a small point, but Guido quotes Cameron as saying:

    “we need should be a massive, sweeping, radical redistribution of power…”

    This makes no sense. Did Cameron really write this?

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    Anonymous says:

    No chance – far too much of a maverick; already turned down office once.

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    Dame Davina Pancake says:

    Listen again sweety – he promised one.

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    Euruck Hunt-Gordon says:

    It’s certainly a step in the right direction,and he seems to be the only one taking any steps anywhere.If he can do whatever is necessary to get the criminal troughers in prison where they belong including the tories he’ll have a big enough majority to take the necessary action as outlined.
    Broon and Darling top of the list.

    Shits brown&Brown’s shit

  71. 71
    Andrew K says:

    The comments section of Comment is Free is by a large a powerful indictment of the paranoia-inducing effects of marijuana.

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    D L George says:

    I’ve thought for some time one of the best ways to handle government contracts was through online pricing. Everyone, including the public get to state the best prices found. eg

    Rubber plant + pot = £8, B&Q

    The Government / local Gov, look at the prices then decide which is the best deal for them, which they then print alongside a short explanation as to why they went for the price they did.

    It would soon stop HM Gov’s incredible 10:1 ratio of what they spend as opposed to real world cost.

    Simple example fom a couple of years ago.

    Police personal cameras (Archos AV500 + cam) at £3700 each…
    Real world price available everywhere (Archos AV500 + cam) = £370 each

    Even more costly example of HM Govs ‘Public Spending’

    A local council in North Yorks used to print a sheet of local business properties for lease and stick it to their window.
    A bright spark thought it would be grand to pop this info online.
    They paid a company £25,000 to do the job.
    The page broke five weeks later.
    The council brought in an expert (fresh uni grad = NO idea) and put him on £35,000 a year.
    They gave him a budget of £40,000 for management software, which he then gave to the secretary to see what she get for the money.
    They then employed a department manager at £65,000 to oversee the operation.

    Right then, real world cost of a working website for what they needed < £1000. Worst of all, this web page had only 7, I repeat, ONLY SEVEN, hits per week!

  73. 73
    Koba says:

    #22 Flotom @ 12:58
    Re: English Claim of Right

    An interesting idea, perhaps support should be developed with campain groups at a local level first.

  74. 74
    Ivor Dayorf says:

    Dave Cameron asking for help with candidates the other day was hilarious.

    He can’t even find enough honest candidates!

    What next?

    Why doesn’t he put his power where his mouth is and fire those who cheated the system now and stop them form their golden handshake and pension?

    If these parties continue to offer or do nothing then out they are all going at the next election.

    It’s just a shame that when you want something done correctly the public have to do it themselves. Bring on the clearout corrupt politicians election please.

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    Anonymous says:

    It’s not just the agreed contracts which need to be published, it’s also all of the original tenders, and the reasons that the government/councils give for rejecting/accepting each tender.

    There’s no reason for any of that to be kept secret. Use a tendering process where you say to the companies “if you don’t want the info to be public, then don’t make the tender; leave it instead to someone who’s willing to put their money where their mouth is.”

    That way, when an I.T. project that cost £500million goes tits-up you’ll be able to ask the government “well, why didn’t you accept the £1million contract from that other company who seemed to actually understand the technical aspects better than the wankers that you actually chose? Why did you choose a £500million tender instead of a £1million one?”

    This aspect alone could save billions, because once everyone sees the grounds on which tenders are accepted/rejected, they can write to the council/government and explain why the government approach was technically wrong.

    I mean, as a potential competitor or as an informed member of the public, you’d be able to write to the council/government and say “that actually only takes a handful of people about 6 months to do; no reason why it should cost £500million; it can easily be done for under a million. You’ve been fleeced.”

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    grandma B says:

    To be fair Gordon has a good head of hair and he’ll probably keep his hair (if not his head) longer than Dave. It’s just a pity Gordon doesn’t feel the need wash his hair more often.

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    SO17 says:

    Not Quite,If the treaty has already been passed by the time of the GE it’s game over and Cameron wont have a referendum in retrospect.

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    D L George says:

    Just to summarise the above…
    Web management software = £40,000
    Web manager = £35,000 pa
    Dept manager = £65,000 pa

    Total = £140,000 + £100,000 per year for a webpage THEY DID NOT NEED!

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    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    Did he?

    A no quibble gilt edged promise that no matter what the other EU nations do in ratifying the “Treaty” the British will get their say?

    Sorry, I missed him saying that.

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    Premier Gordon Brown says:

    Puff! Puff! I’m absolutely running as fast as I can in an effort to keep up with Cameron. Ouch! Now I got a stitch. Oh fuck it…he’s miles ahead of me now.

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    Moley says:

    Go back to the Party Conference which started off with Cameron and the Conservatives being written off for dead.

    How did that go?

  82. 82
    Dame Davina Pancake says:

    Hear, hear – just take a look at the career of the ever-so-awful Patricia Hewitt.

  83. 83
    Mike Law says:

    I put a response to her recent post in which I stated that she is still acting as an apologist for the current rotten lot at Westminster.

    I raised her comment: “My surgeries are full of people at their wits end. The redundant, the broken and the poor. I meet, see and talk to these people almost every single day.

    I have been, at sometime or other, all of those people.”

    I stated that, should an individual make a false claim for benefits, even though the they may have misunderstood the rules, they’d have knacker on their back.

    I also pointed out that the Green Book isn’t as ambiguous as some claim it is.

    Needless to say, my comments never appeared on her blog.

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    killemallletgodsortemout says:

    She may LOOK like Heather Mills, but she can outrun her, anytime.

  85. 85
    Anonymous says:

    why, does it take you a long time to type a single sentence then? Bless!

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    Mike Law says:

    Not more bloody elected mayors… will no-one take heed of the poor example set here in Newham?

    If you want an example of how allowances and expenses can be rigged then you should take a good look at the peoples’ republic of Newham.

    I keep banging on about this… have offered up examples to Boris’ office and to the current Conservative leadership and it seems that no-one can give a flying fart.

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    Les Noble says:

    Brown paper envelope is why they are accepting each tender mate. Which ever one has the biggest wad in it! Money is the only thing your local council will listen to!

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    Housing Hubba Bubba says:

    I think it will remind sound bitey until we get into a GE campaign. Labour are lacking any policies and have got into a habit of borrowing – ie stealing – ideas from the Con/Libdems. I wouldn’t expect either opposition party to talking about anything substantive policy wise, until a campaign is underway.

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    A grown up speech that treats the electorate as adults instead of the class-war soundbites of New Labour. More importantly, a very accurate diagnosis of the key problem in our country, the loss of freedom for ordinary citizens and the lack of accountability from public services. This could perhaps be defended if it had delivered success, but instead we see things like the grotesqueness of Haringey child services claiming to be outstanding in that they had ticked every box while the children they were supposed to protect were murdered. Most importantly, the speech delivered concrete proposals on legislation, on the relationship with the EU and on local power for local people. All we need now is an election.

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    lolol says:

    Just go a Conservative flyer through the post.they are working for me in Southport,Sefton,Liverpool,Knowsley and St Helens the problem is I live on Wirral ,I will remind you of this when I go and vote next week for the “anybody” party,if you can’t send a flyer for the correct area don’t send one at all you twits,a good Conservative start.

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    Old Tory says:

    They were the next in line, after the unions… they knew it, thats why the grey suits got rid of her. That bastard Heseltine.

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    Local sleaze says:

    Spot on.

    Consultants commissioned by councils is a massive problem – particularly when they also work for central govt. Berwin Leighton Paisner, Nathaniel Lichfield, GVA Grimley to name a few who have private clients submitting planning applications is just one example of conflict of interest where unregulated areas of the public/private interface.

    The corruption in MP expenses pales in comparison with the scale of local committee decisions under the radar of national newspaper detection.

    In my experience, they are not open-tendered, and reflect the abuse of delegated power available to council officers where the witless elected councillors would guess at what’s going on.

  93. 93
    Anonymous says:

    She did a pretty good job at ending restrictive practices championed by the undemocratic, and very bureaucratic trade union bully boys after several government had meekly just accepted all the shit they gave the country.

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    H W Fowler says:

    Please can you help with this grammatical query?

    Is it: a) Shut up, no one cares mother fucker, or b) Shut up, no one cares muthafucka?

    I lean towards the former as being correct, but the latter enjoys a certain concision, don’t you think?

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    Local sleaze says:

    sorry, last sentence meant to read “couldn’t guess at what’s going on”

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    Anonymous says:

    I’d like to believe all of what Cameron is saying, but I suspect that if he does win with a landslide victory, he’ll just pretend he never made any of these promises, just like Bliar did when he became PM.

    I think that it’s more than likely that they’re all the same – thieving scum on the make.

    I pray that Mr Cameron proves me wrong.

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    Plato says:

    Good point. I can’t bear listening to Brown for more than about 3 or 4 sentences.

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    Send the speaker to the tower says:

    The first thing I thought when I heard his speech was that he’s been reading ‘The Plan’.

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    Rt Hon Sir Montague Arsewipe MP says:

    Silvio when the men in White coats finally take you away I will miss you!!

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    P Pat says:

    If leaflet was delivered by the Royal Mail as an unaddressed flyer, as most are these days, the postcode areas do not match electoral boundaries – so rather a silly basis for deciding on how to vote.

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    Lord Delaval of Sluice says:

    In the EU election, I have the following “choice”

    1 British Nationalist Party “Protecting British Jobs”
    2 Christian Party “Proclaiming Christ’s Lordship”
    3 Conservative Party
    4 English Democrats Party “Putting England first”
    5 Jury Team “Democracy accountability transparency”
    6 Liberal Democrats
    7 No2EU: “Yes to Democracy”
    8 Pro democracy:
    9 Socialist Labour Party
    10 The Green Party
    11 The Labour Party
    12 United Kingom Independence Party.

    Can’t someone come up with an option that DOESN’T involve either self-flagellation or whipping the hide off someone else?

  102. 102
    Bob Marley says:

    just leave it on the train

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    Freaked out says:

    You’re freakin’ me out.

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    Dame Davina Pancake says:

    Sorry – I stand corrected – just the eternal optimist I guess:)

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    Fausty says:

    Would be good to know the source of the goods they purchase and businesses/consultants from whom they purchase services. This would cut down on nepotism and political back-scratching favours (e.g., cash for legislation).

  106. 106
    Anonymous says:

    They can just buy an off-the-shelf cms system for getting tenders sorted out for the very first site; shouldn’t cost more than about a grand for hosting and the software, and can be setup within an hour. Privacy’s not an issue because if the tenders are supposed to be public then it doesn’t really matter who can read what.

    They’d use that basic site for the “place a tender for the proper/full system” process, then the chosen company would build the more detailed site for all subsequent tenders (and they’d backfill the initial pre-site tenders onto the new system).

    so, for the first “pre-site”, a grand, a couple of hours; job done.

    I’ll do it for free if they let me stick my company logo/link at the top.

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    At last, we see: Dave’s Brave New World.

    It may not be perfect, but its a fuck site better than the usual PR arguments from the Lib-Dems or the usual deafening silence from our supposed Prime Minister.

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    Anonymous says:

    yes,empty rhetoric.

  109. 109
    Plato says:

    Having a referendum on something that has already passed into EU law would be completely pointless – rather like running a retrial after the rope has dropped.

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    Hic hoc ho hum says:

    When Latin was still a living language, and not just in RC religion.

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    Allan@Aberdeen says:

    “…….he’s starting to really look like someone who could run things well.”

    And which part of his CV supports that statement? Cameron has done nothing other than work in politics. He is the example par excellence of the problem that is the political class.

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    Titan Uranus says:

    Vote for change !

    It’s improvement I want

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    Bring back the 80s says:

    Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t she open up the Solicitors grip on home conveyancing. At the time I got the impression it was okay to bash the unions, but no way was they going to let her start on the restrictive practices in the white collars.

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    artboyusa says:

    Dave’s view is that he wishes it would go away and leave him alone. On Andrew Marr yesterday he evaded giving a straight answer to the referendum question. Well, um, it would all depend on the results of the second Irish vote and, um, on a number of other important factors and, um…basically, he hopes the Irish will vote it down again and kill it off and then he won’t have to bother. Well, forget it Dave – quit squirming and give us a referendum or watch us all vote for, well, that certain minority party. You know, the one that Tebbit dare not speak its name…

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    Old Nick Heavenly says:

    The photo reminds me of the days when I used to do real henna tattoos in Luxembourg and Trier.

    Great days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Charles says:

    This is Dave’s handbook:

    His views on the EU? “In the EU and ruled by the EU”

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    Criminal Lawyer says:




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    Randy Yanker says:

    Where does the great helmsman stand on this, oh that’s right we don’t fucking know because the smelly bully is hiding in a cave or wherever it is he’s skulking at the moment.

    Dave is on course and good for him.

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    George Orwell says:

    or Animal Farm?

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    Dr Feeley-Goode (the real one) says:

    You’ve taken your tin foil hat off again haven’t you?

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    The Waar (Wire) says:

    In Bal’mo’ese (Baltimore native language) it would be:
    Shut yo mu’fuckn mouf, nobod giv a sheet, mu’fuckr.

    After a quarter century in East Balmor, Murlan (Maryland) I got to speak it fluent, like?


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    Jack says:

    Good stuff from Cameron, a good start, further to go but some flesh starting to appear on the bones. He has to tread carefully as Brown and his twisted minions will steal anything they think useful to them (plenty of previous here).

    Just to see Browns ‘Downfall’ will be a damn good start.

  124. 124
    Conservative Spokesman says:

    We do not want to talk about our beloved leader defrauding the taxpayer by makin false allowance claims.
    Please stop talking about this issue.

  125. 125
    Jack Straw says:

    “I’ve always been up for a referendum on PR”

    A bit like New Labour’s Europen referendum eh Jack?

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    Doctor Mick says:

    She sorted the professions – accountants, architects and shit – and got rid of the their cartel like “fee scales” so now they have to compete for work like every other business.

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    Gordon then says... says:

    Oh crap, I’ve now been overtaken by Alan Johnson and Flint has just kicked me in the nuts.

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    shellingout says:

    Perhaps you should have a word in the shell-like of Tessa Jowell, the self-styled paragon of the olympics. I’m sure a couple of hundred million pounds could have been saved there if she’d got her sums right in the first place.

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    Doctor Mick says:

    Do the English really need another tier of government and all the costs that go with it?

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    Jack Straw says:

    Those who think Dave will save the world, think again. He can’t even cut down a Wisteria without putting in an expenses claim.

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    The Archbishop of Clerkenwell says:

    Roll on the day when McMental is dragged from his “spiderhole” and hung by the neck untill he is dead, although I would much prefer that it was by the balls.

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    Doctor Mick says:

    As many as that? As soon as I see his outsized head I switch off before the lips move. Thank Gawd for remote controls.

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    Good. Google government – just whats require for the way things are now. After tangentopolis all contracts above a certain threshold are published online and outside the building site/hospital/whatever here in Italy, and the didginess has been pushed right back into the shadows and fringes. About time that happened in the UK now.

    From being exceedingly sceptical about young Dave at first, I rather suspect he has all the trappings be a winner for the country.

    Apropos of Italian politics, I have been trying to iimagine the recent headlines here re Berlusconi adapted to Captain Snot, this one from the Mail being my current favourite: “Gordon Brown Stole My Girlfriend”. Unlikely scenario No. 38 in a series.

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    shellingout says:

    Yes – the Yogic Flyers!

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    Les Noble says:

    David Cameron said –

    “Just imagine the effect that an army of armchair auditors is going to have on those expense claims”

    Well the whole country’s armchair auditors have already spoken and are not having any effect on the big 3 leaders or their corrupt MPs so far.

    The armchair auditors have to wait until next years election to get the effect everybody wants and that’s all you lying cheating thieving B’stards out.

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    Closing in on benefit cheats, watch out Dave we have you on the grid! says:

    But what Dave really has to do is to stop making false housing benefit claims.
    What a thief!
    A millionaire thief.

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    Sir Mallard (my expenses are private) TwatterSteen says:

    Look it’s quite simple old fruit.
    UKip get a wodge of protest votes.
    Dave bows to this enormous public support of UKip and calls it a day on Yerp. He decides he’d better listen to the Polecat and the Yerpsceptics.
    Presto Changeo.
    The Conservatives adopt UKip’s Policy and put pulling out of Yerp in the Manifesto to great acclaim and a grateful nation.

    Why else would Conservatives be supporting UKip ?

    You think it’s because they like that ludicrous twat Farage ? Please.
    They are up to their neck in expenses piggery too.
    Vote UKip and Dave will change his mind about Yerp. It’s obvious.

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    Mr Ned says:

    I do not believe a word from Cameron as his deeds are the antithesis of his words (ALA Blair)

    Is he ACTUALLY going to remove the power from the current 3rd sector quangos that take NO oath to the Queen and usurp our collective sovereignty and will he give those powers back to Parliament and other offices formed and governed under Oath?

    I see NO EVIDENCE of that, as he supports removing from Parliament (in other words, removing from all of US) the power to regulate Parliament by handing many of the powers of the office of the Speaker over to the unelected, unaccountable, private corporation in the third sector thus removing OUR sovereignty from Parliament!

    This is a COUP under the stealthy cover of a Hegelian dialectic to trick all of US into celebrating the theft of our sovereignty, a minor coup on Parliament itself! Cameron is giving NO indication that he supports any of US by his continuing to support this continual removal of power from offices which were formerly formed and sworn in under oath.

    This is NOT about Queen Elizabeth II. It is about OUR collective Sovereignty that WE grant the Monarch to exercise on OUR behalf with our consent as per the terms of OUR HISTORIC CONSTITUTION.

    We are being slowly changed from a Sovereign Realm, to a Republic under which we are merely citizens (all rights GIVEN under GRANT and can be revoked without any electoral accountability). We are celebrating THEIR moves to lawfully move us from being sovereign on OUR LAND to becoming slaves to their legal acts of the sea.


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    Unsworth says:

    You fucking bet it is! There’s a whole load of nasty underneath that particular stone. County and local authorities are just a corrupt as anything that goes on in Westminster.

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    Freaked out says:

    Keep on prayin’

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    Toffs Army says:

    Who do you think you’re kidding Mr.Cameron…..
    Benefit cheat.

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    Anonymous says:

    We should stop giving free money to banks too, as it serves to line the pockets of a rich elite, many of whom do not have British interests at heart, but another country which we’re not allowed to mention here because of Guido’s allegiances.

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    Moley says:

    Kindly provide a detailed and substantiated allegation with reference to the law or fuck off and grow up.

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    Anonymous says:

    Google *define ad hominem*

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    righty right wing (mrs) says:


    So essentially the Irish are deciding for me?

    Unacceptable to the British electorate on so many levels – & DC must know that.

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    More Tories Please says:

    I’m just waiting for Master Baiter to stop using various other “handles” here and make some serious posts explaining what his Beloved Leader is;

    a) actually doing.

    b) going to do.

    I think I’ll go and make a cup of tea whilst I wait.

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    Freaked out says:

    What we really need is a debonaire thief à la David Niven.

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    Sir William Waad says:

    ‘Referendums’ is better because:

    1. ‘Referendum’ is an English word and should have an English plural. There was a Latin word REFERENDVM but that was spelled and pronounced differently from the English word and had a different meaning.

    2. If you want to be clever and give ‘foreign’ words foreign plurals, you quickly get stuck. We might think we know Latin, Ancient Greek and Italian plurals, but what then are the correct plurals of ‘anorak’ (Inuit), ‘kiosk’ (Turkish) ‘dacha’ (Russian) or ‘orang-utan’ (Malay/Indonesian)? Also, do you insist on referendum declining as if it were a Latin noun and write of ‘the outcome of the referendi’?

    P.S. I think the Inuit plural of ‘anorak’ is ‘anora-it’. Or it could be ’38 Degrees’. Anybody know for sure?

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    Dicky Hearing says:

    Louder please!

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    Hugh Jardon says:

    & then leave it to solidify….

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    The Rt. Hoonable J. Pressclot says:

    Wouldntcha rather listen ter me then ? Ah mean if you wanna hear some real marmalisation of the English Langwidge and some unadulterated b0ll0cks, there’s no-one better at it than me and I’m not at it any longer cos Pauline found out ah was shaggin me Diary Secretary I told ‘er it wuz Press prattle but then she showed me Tracey’s cocktail dress with the chipolata and pie stains down the front then I know ah was a goner so I ‘ad to put me hands up anyway ah got Paulaine those loovely mock Tudor beams on the front of one of our ‘ouses, ya know the stupid Taxpayer picked up that bill oh and me food bills as well now why wont they elect my son to the Kingston-oopon-‘Ull seat ? Ah mean wot’s wrong with peeple cant they see NEwLabour’s doon soom marvellous things ah still got me pledge card and ah’ll always punch a farmer if he gets too close…

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    Bring back the 80s says:

    What I don’t understand with all this higher education, more kids going to University etc, why there are no more Professionals than there are. More competition to bring down fees. How can the likes of Harman and Harman solicitors charge £800 per hour to sue the NHS.
    You would think with money like that to be earned they would all like a slice of the action.

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    Freaked out says:

    He doesn’t have any.

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    Hugh Jardon says:

    Closing in on benefit cheats, watch out Dave we have you on the grid…

    Do you still sleep with your sister??…
    Does your dad’s cock still taste of your mum’s shit?

    Pls enlighten us all!!!

    Then, as already suggested, fuck off!

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    deeznuts says:

    i smoke pot…listen to hip hop, metal, blues, nu rave…..and techno (prodigys new album is a must) , i like wine that is at least 10 years old . I lived on a council estate in halifax for 25 years….im covered in tatoos, and i vote tory………….and i agree with every thing dave said today .

    You all ask for a change……when some one suggests change, you dont believe him.

    The torys cant be as bad as the shower of shit that have “ruled” over us for 12 fuckimg years .

    I suggest smoking some pot, it might open your eyes ………….!

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    Hey Presto says:

    Polly Toynbee really is a bit thick, she suggests “Things could turn nasty”

    sorry love, they already are and YOU Toynbee are part of the problem

    Your blind support has helped built the New Labour Gulag

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    Doctor Mick says:

    Make a cuppa? You will have time to get one in China before that tosser comes up with a serious answer.

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    Lord Delaval of Sluice says:

    Re #99. Apologies to Nick Griffin. I managed to get the name of your party wrong. Can’t imagine what I was thinking of …

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    Rick the Roman says:

    Plato, Grandma B, Doctor Mick you have hit the nail on the head – come the GE campaign people will be turned off by Gordon droning on but may listen to Cameron if they are undecided – advantage Cameron – may even be match point!!

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    Freaked out says:

    Gordon Brown stole my “girlfriend” would work

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    Taxfodder says:

    First I thought poor old Guido will be out of a job, and then I remembered Tony Blair and his brave new world.

    I remembered how power has slowly ebbed away from the population at the hands of “Nanny Knows Best” at the hands of all parties in Parliament and Local Authorities.

    CCTV even in small towns, Telephone tapping and Email surveillance.

    Council Dustbin Terrorism in the name of green issues or any reason that has a lot more about local authorities of all persuasions delivering less and charging more for it.

    Too many small local shops closed because of high business rates £2 to park your car to visit your bank, building society, or dentist (don’t get me started on that one).

    Too many so called self styled “Town Elders” very comfortable with their positions of power, not used to “little people” having a say and often more concerned with internal politics, their position and/or their career path than providing service to local people.

    A climate of fear, about loosing your job or making a simple mistake on forms, blame culture government introduced and enforced on pain of imprisonment or fine.

    Call me a cynical, negative or just a bitter man, well maybe just taken for a fool too many times you see, too many promised grand vision policies fallen by the wayside after election night, all you seem to be offering David, is the same old jam tomorrow.

    I just feel so very sorry for the folks that think its all possible they are only prolonging their agony or have a vested interest in prolonging it.

    Meantime I’m still not voting just spoiling my ballot paper as normal I’m comfortable with that.

    No, I will sit it out and wait for the real peoples revolution, it’s only a matter of time. I’m sorry David, I would like to believe in you, you seem a nice chap and all, but I just can’t

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    mmm says:

    The sainted Maggie viewed the local democracy in the Peoples’ Republic of Liverpool; under Derek Hatton; saw that it was not good: and strangled it.

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    Flick the V's says:

    Cameron suggests that we should have a massive redistribution of power

    The internet has already started the process, Orwell got it back to front, we the people are watching you!

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    Bradford says:

    We’ll end up with local authority mayors acting like French Prefects and here in Bradford it will end up as an Islamic outpost in Alhambra

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    Dack Blog says:

    My council can’t even empty a bin on time. They’re the last bunch I want to give more powers to.

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    dirtyden says:

    Great article. The Plan should be the preferred reading of anyone who wants more democracy at the same time as repairing some of the damage years of socialism and authoritarian centrism have done to this country. If it is influencing Cameroonian thought, so much the better. The online stuff is one thing, but direct democracy is where we are headed and it’s not only now technologically possible, it’s eminently preferable to the current corrupt, creaking, centralised systems.

    Whatever you think about Cameron, he’s looking and sounding like a vibrant organism whereas dinosaur Brown and liebour look like the walking extinct.

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    Mick McAnus says:

    I will be drawing an anatomically correct anus on my ballot paper

  168. 168
    dirtyden says:

    Is this one of those word games. Cool.

    Sight –> shite

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    Anonymous says:

    i think you’ll find that the plural is referenda when there are two questions being asked (at the same time), When you are talking about the event itself, the plural is referdums.

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    Master Baiter says:

    Cameron’s hair is a mess and falling out as fast as fast can be. That’s the main reason he’s calling for an early election. He knows that there’s only so much that super strength hair spray can do.

    Brown has a full head of hair, head and shoulders better than Cameron’s.

    Electorally Cameron’s bolt has been shot because the careful rebranding of the Conservative image has been unpicked by moats, horse manure, tennis courts, swimming pools, housekeepers, duck islands and wisteria. There is no shoving that pile of manure back into the horse because it’s bolted.

    What’s all this sudden showing his cards on the Constitution all about? Why doesn’t he show us his cards on the economy? What’s he going to do about the fallout from the explosion of toxic financial instruments held at banks, pesnion funds and hedge funds. It’s about trying to move the agenda on from actual allowances and expenses because the Conservatives are being torn to shreds on it.

    That’s all.

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    Doctor Mick says:

    The Latin word “referendum” has no plural since it is a gerundive.

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    Henry Crun says:

    Well Gordon was a err…and then he…and after that he went into…no he’s never had a proper job.

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    It doesn't add up... says:

    Here’s what he said:

    “So a progressive reform agenda demands that we redistribute power from the EU to Britain and from judges to the people.

    We will therefore hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, pass a law requiring a referendum to approve any further transfers of power to the EU, negotiate the return of powers, and require far more detailed scrutiny in Parliament of EU legislation, regulation and spending.”

    I think he means it, regardless of the status of Lisbon when he’s in a position to deliver. A referendum result against Lisbon, even if it’s in effect is a shot across the bows of the EU. It’s not withdrawal, but it’s a vote of no confidence in how the EU conducts itself.

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    Anonymous says:

    ‘twould be best to abolish the house of commons altogether. House of Lords should run the show, it’s the only institution to uphold our liberties, HoC would abolish them all if it could. Why does everyone assume that democracy is such a good thing, the fact that ‘the people’ voted labour last time shows they shouldn’t be trusted to select which bread to buy let alone who governs them.

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    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    Even the BBc is giving DC an easy time of it. That is worrying.

    I am increasingly disliking DC.

    He truly is the Heir to Blair – same rhetoric, same “trust me” BS.

    It is simple DC – sack your mates who have been troughing & promise us a cast iron unequivocal referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

    Either that or shut up & wait to be crowned PM on your ticket of “I am not Gordon”.

    Dissolve Parliament.

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    Maximus Grumpicus says:

    It ought to be a hanging offence to perpetrate “ad nauseum”.
    And “in memorium”, come to that.

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    Doctor Mick says:

    Fair point. English lawyers are among the highest paid in the World. So it says a lot for the loot to be had in Parliament that so many of them choose to work as MPs instead.

    One reason I venture to suggest is demographics. There are simply far fewer youngsters about these days than say in the Sixties (when there were twice as many teenagers as there are now).

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    Johnny says says:

    Cameron wants an open all hours Government. Him in his shopcoat and Granville Osborne pedalling away with the deliveries. If only the till would bite a few hands off…

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    Fells Point barfly says:

    I figure I’ll vote for anything that :

    A. promises to change the present culture in Westminster, and remove many, or all, of the oppressive laws and spy-culture crap we have had forced on us for the last decade or more, and

    B: removes us from the EU socialist republic crap, and

    C: has any real chance of being voted into power with enough of a majority to carry out A: and B: above.

    Right now, it appears that only the Conservatives have the possibility of all three of the above. It is, therefore, OUR job, as the voters, to hold them to account, on a day-by-day basis, for each and every action they take, including expenses, lawmaking, honesty, integrity, and anything else we wish to add to the list.

    I honestly think that David Cameron has, at long last, “got it”, and fully understands the rules and responsibilities.

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    Henry Crun says:

    Because a degree in David Beckham and Wayne Rooney meejah studies doesn’t qualify one to be a “professional”.

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    M.T.BUCKET says:


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    lolol says:

    It had a full name and postal address on it, notice had,already decided who I will vote for but I was hoping Camerons party had better controls on this sort of thing,as everything matters now the politicos are in the crap,mistakes however small will get magnified and checked and could be the line between winning and losing

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    Master Baiter says:

    Sorry to ‘duck’ the question, but why don’t you outline what Carry on Cameron and George Frogspawn have in mind for the nation?

    Their plan is to make the Conservative Party seem cuddly. Well it’s not going down to well now post the start of the financial cataclysm wrought by their investment banking backers, which is why their core constituencies of the narrow minded and perennially indignant are deserting them for the Untied Kinkdumb Nincumpoop Party.

    Conservatives, couldn’t spin a washing machine.

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    disgusted says:

    Why don’t the English leave the UK?

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    Mary Hinge says:

    Kiosk is the anglicisation of the Turkish word köşk.
    The plural, naturally, is köşkler.

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    Fausty says:

    Yeah, it was impressive. But he’s still not pledging that he’ll repeal the Lisbon Treaty, if it’s ratified and if people vote No in a referendum. Until he makes that pledge, he won’t get my vote.

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    Doctor Mick says:

    Maggie’s Bible was Hayek’s Road to Serfdom so why shouldn’t Dave have one too?

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    Nadine Dorries says:

    Don’t believe the free internet guff.
    Or at least ask Withers and the Daily Telegraph’s owners Barclay and Barclay of non tax paying fame.

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    Doctor Mick says:

    That doesn’t answer the question about Brown. ‘Scuse – I can hear the kettle boiing…..

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    Henry Crun says:

    Nothing to stop him telling Brussels they can go and wipe their arses on the Lisbon Treaty and withdraw from it altogether.

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    Anonymous says:

    Useless twat.

    Go away with your colleagues when they all leave the house and turn the lights out!

    What a plonker.

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    Posh Spice says:

    What’s the plural of “ad hominem?

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    lolol says:

    The problem is once he has your vote will he deliver,can you afford to trust any politician ever again.

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    Damian McBride says:

    A lot of people think that David Cameron has got ‘it’.

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    Henry Crun says:

    probably missing the words “the change” and the beginning of the sentence. Blame Guido’s sub-editor.

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    More Tories Please says:

    “Duck the question”. How Gordonesque.

    Try to get the questioner to answer first. Ditto

    Why don’t you explain to us why we still need Gordon et al? Remind us how his 12 years of a “light touch” had nothing to do with anything.

    I’m off to make a sandwich. First, I’ll plant the wheat ……

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    ‘Well the whole country’s armchair auditors have already spoken and are not having any effect on the big 3 leaders or their corrupt MPs so far.’

    Have you not noticed the number of MPs who are standing down at the next election, their political careers finished? David Cameron is quite right on the principle of transparency and the beneficial effect that it has on politics. The last thing those that misbehave want is openness on their activities. So, we will catch the miscreants and encourage the others to behave.

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    Anonymous says:

    Don’t want to seem negative but it’s not what they say NOW that’s important, it’s what they DO, when they are in POWER. This is the problem, why should they be trusted? It just reminds me of Blairs’ rhetoric before he was elected. Then once in power, like the referendum on PR for example, he, along with his henchman Campbell, kicked everything he said he was going to change, into the long grass.

    Like most people, we know Brown and Labour are dead and I can’t think of any reason why any one would want to vote for them(except the scroungers living off the state ofcourse and there are plenty of them). But the trust in any mainstream politician has gone too. I actually do want to vote for him. I think he is working very hard to gain people’s trust, and all credit to him. BUT, it’s that question of trust. I’m not gonna be bitten a second time.

    By the way has any one seen Brown or any member of the cabinet, or any one from Labour, since he strongly condemded that other great leader, kim jon Il?
    Do we still have a Labour government?

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    Celt says:

    Yeah, go back home you welfare-dependent immigrant scum.

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    Mr Mnar says:

    I think he’s just a tit and hasn’t got it at all. He should stand down before the public vote him out along with all his corrupt colleagues and members of every other party next year.

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    Would you mind jumping up and down on the spot for a minute, whilst wobbling your shoulders about? Thanks.

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    Henry Crun says:

    Fondled Condaleeza’s arse lately, Jack?

  206. 206
    Miss Use says:

    No we have a dodgy one!

  207. 207
    Taxfodder says:

    Brown -> Brown Shirt

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    1984 Miner says:

    The current tendering system is delivering exactly what it was set up to avoid. Rafts of paper must be produced to support a complex process. To help, OGC agreed some model tenders with major suppliers,so the effort and cost of going to tender could be avoided. However,this has tended to place business into the hands of relatively few suppliers as it is easier than finding a new one.

    Below certain thresholds the rules relax quite a lot,so there is ample scope to get round them.

  209. 209

    Then complain, organise your community to protest or stand for election on a programme of change. The point is that you can do things at a local level if your Council screws up badly enough because you know who they are and you know who your Councillors are. The Labour alternative is faceless bureaucrats in London and no way for any local voice to be heard. Which do you prefer?

  210. 210
    Mary Hinge says:

    Yes. That needs sorting out AS A PRIORITY.

  211. 211
    Doctor Mick says:

    The Saxons won’t have us back. We’re too uppity when dealing with Authority.

  212. 212

    And how are things in no.10?

  213. 213
    Henry Crun says:

    And the only alternative is Gordon the nappywearing rocking horse rider?

    Fuck off back under your rock Damien/Dolly/Tom.

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    Let's move on says:

    Fowler recommends referendums, but referenda is acceptable. Happy?

  215. 215
    1984 Miner says:

    Not compared to the current experts in situ. And look where they have got us

  216. 216
    Airey Belvoir says:

    Off singular/plural topic, but was it not George W Bush who once said that the French had no word for ‘entrepreneur’?

  217. 217
    Expat says:

    A lot of us have old thing. How do you live in a country that small?

  218. 218

    “the new politics…” etc.


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    Henry Crun says:

    Steve do you really think Gordon will call an elction?

    He’s probably hiding in the bathroom at No10 talking to himself: Uh-uh, Mother-m-mother, uh, what is the phrase? She isn’t quite herself today.

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    Fausty says:

    It’s not as if he has to push through unpopular legislation and changes – he has the country behind him on this, including disaffected Labour supporters.

    The Blair/Brown era has had one very beneficial effect; it angered people to such an extent that it has forced them to examine the way in which we are governed and the way we want to be governed.

    It has also caused a large number of die-hard Labour supporters to think the unthinkable and vote for another party.

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    albacore says:

    Every time M B lambasts the Tories, the ordure hits the Lib/Lab sides of the unholy trinity, too.
    Cameron’s ruminations are as disreputable as those of his alter ego, Brown and their dogsbody, Clegg.
    They’ve been rumbled. Look upon their works, ye lowly, and despise.
    Let’s just be shot of the lot of them. They shame the nation.

  222. 222
    Sweet Lord says:

    Praise the Lord, Master Baiter has made a reasonable point!
    Wonders will never cease.

  223. 223

    Guido, I used to like your articles. Now you’re too basic and popularist. Kind of like a non-funny Have I Got News For You. It’s sad really.

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    Doctor Mick says:

    Ironically, Hatton is now a property developer (using private finance unlike Labour MPs). You can’t get any less socialist than that.

  225. 225
    Jack Ketch says:

    I likes a challenge. Some sort of hook arrangement, then?

  226. 226
    Henry Crun says:

    Yes. Hope the sub-editor has been suitably chastised.

  227. 227
    Mark Oaten says:

    I’m there!

  228. 228
    Dr Feelgood says:

    @ Fells Point barfly

    A good comment. People have been too complacent under the Labour regime. If we keep engaged, Cameron offfers the best chance for a truly representative and action-orientated government.

  229. 229
    Doctor Mick says:

    More blogger envy.

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    Honesty is the best policy says:

    As long as Dave isn’t still stealing from the taxpayer by making false housing benefit claims you have a point.
    If, at the time of the next General Election, Dave is still stealing £1700 of housing benefit from the taxpayer every single month of the year then any advantage he may have had will be lost.

  231. 231
    Anonymous says:

    Another tory prick. Have you no shame?

  232. 232
    Master Baiter says:

    You must be flipping quackers.

    Conservative scum have been exposed for the fossilised inbred gentry and wannabe gentry misfits that they really are.

    No amount of recycled trainers or baseball caps is going to change that.

    They didn’t see the banking crisis even after it had hit.

    Just look at their response to Northern Rock. O’Cameron and Frogspawn, still don’t get it. The economic meltdown is global. It is unprecedented and it’s going to take more than Thatcher style supermarket basket case economics to handle it.

    Cameron is just a thick, lightweight PR man, a spiv, a chronic spitter and a lick spittle. With every word he speaks more people understand it.

    Quack, quack

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    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    I heard a socialist MEP from Germany on Pravda BBC R4 yesteday.

    He stated that he had made over £100,000 from flights expenses.

    Flight expenses are paid at a flat rate to MEPs of 2000 Euros – even if the flight cost only a fraction of that.

    He has given his “profit expense earnings” to Charity & more worryingly, to his party.

    No wonder there is no opposition to the EU from the main three political parties in Great Britain – they have all been silenced, bought & paid for.

    It is sickening.

    Dissolve Parliament. Get us out of the EU.

  234. 234
    Captain Scarlett says:

    You sound like a spoilt child Jack, and a coward to boot!

    Just because your bunch of incompetent louts have brought this country to it’s knees (again), your only defence is to slag off the opposition! Pathetic!

    As it’s now clear that Gordon cannot save the world after destroying the UK, why do you not think we should give someone else a chance?

    Perhaps you are a nasty autocratic left winger or just a spinelss coward – please tell!

  235. 235
    Anonymous says:

    The internet is not as free as you might like to think….

    The closing of blogs recently shows you how shit scared ISPs are of any kind of legal action.

    It is time for a new internet, one controlled by the people, and not by the man!

  236. 236
    Henry Crun says:

    Dear Mrs RRW

    Cameron is bringing pressure to bear on the troughers in his own party. Gordon condemns one day then uses the Nuremburg defence the next.

    I agree that Parliament should be dissolved although the only person with that power is Her Majesty, either at the request of the current PM – never going to happen until very last minute – or HM takes matters into her own hands – unlikely to happen.

  237. 237
    Guido's Sub Editor says:

    ‘e beats me with a wooden stick if I let the great thick as thieves appear too often.
    And ‘e never pays me nuffink for all me ‘ard work.
    And there ‘e is makin’ all that money from adverts and other fings.
    But I still fink thick as thieves is a genius though, I’m a big fan.
    ‘e can comment as often as ‘e likes, sod Guido.

  238. 238
    Anonymous says:

    If anyone thinks Cameron will radically alter this country they’re living in a dream world.

    He and his party are as much a part of the problem as Brown, New Labour and UKIP.

    They have the interests of a small elite of rich people at heart, not our interests.

    It is time to stand up for British values in Britain, and stop our politicians being in the pay of foreign nationals.

  239. 239
    Henry Crun says:

    I forgot it was half-term this week. Better get off the PC before mummy gets home.

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    Master Baiter says:


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    Anonymous says:

    “Cameron is bringing pressure to bear on the troughers in his own party. ”


    Oh really? Do you have selective vision or something?

    Nasty Nick Winterton?
    Troughing spouse of above
    Alan Duncan
    Francis Maude

    Where’s the pressure ?

  242. 242
    Dr Feelgood says:

    Who gave Sir Fred Goodwin his knighthood?
    Who gave Lord Myners his peerage and job?
    Who was Chancellor from 1997 and destroyed the regulatory regime of the finance sector?

    Want a clue? Or will you get fired for giving a truthful answer.

    Trying to blame the Conservatives is pathetic.

  243. 243
    Note to weirdo says:

    You really shouldn’t judge others by your own standards.

  244. 244
    Francis Maude says:

    I’ve just come into the garden.

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    Anonymous says:

    And what do we do once we leave the EU?

    Please respond I’m genuinely interested in how you see our future outside of the EU, because to me it looks pretty grim.

    Do you have some grand ideas ?

  246. 246
    Anonymous says:

    Why leave the EU when reforming the EU makes much long-term sense for the UK?

    Vote Libertas.

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    More Tories Please says:

    More MB words of political argument;

    “Cameron is just a thick, lightweight PR man, a spiv, a chronic spitter and a lick spittle. With every word he speaks more people understand it.”

    You might not like his policies, personality or presentation. However, someone with a First Class Degree from Oxford is not “thick”. MB just another example of NuLabour’s play the man if you can’t play the ball.

    MB: With every word he types more people understand it

  248. 248
    Johnny says says:

    It was not stolen. It was wilfuly handed to Brussells by the traitors in Westminster. It reduced their workload, reduced their responsibilities and gave them a bogeyman to denounce when it was politically expedient.

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    Anonymous says:

    Vote Libertas to reform and clean up the EU.

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    Anonymous says:

    We can’t even reform our own old boy’s networks in the house. How the f__k are we supposed to reform even better criminals who have made scamming the public a fine art?

  251. 251
    We are closing in on benefit cheats and those who try to protect them says:

    Ah, dullard, I wil be delighted to.
    David Cameron unnecessarily claims £1700 every month from the taxpayer to pay the interest payment for the house he currently lives in.
    As David is a millionaire and as David has other house he owns outright, he has no legitimate claim to that allowance and is merely using the allowance as a fraudulent device to maximise his expense claim.
    David Cameron’s claim is unnecessary and extravagant, the Green Book quite clearly states that unecessary and extravagant claims are not allowed.
    I think that covers everything.
    Perhaps you are just too dim to understand.
    You come across as being very dim indeed.
    And criminally minded of course!

  252. 252
    Anonymous says:

    Who is “we”?

    I wasn’t aware Libertas were reforming old boy’s networks in our parliament….

  253. 253
    albacore says:

    What’s the going rate for “ad nauseam”, then?

  254. 254
    Perry Neeham says:

    This is an interesting post on Tim Worstall’s site about Kirkbride:

    In 1983 Ms Kirkbride became a researcher for Yorkshire Television and she went on to work as a producer for BBC News and Current Affairs and then the ITN Parliamentary Unit.

    She was a political correspondent for the Daily Telegraph from 1992-6 during which time her then partner Stephen Milligan, the Conservative MP for Eastleigh, was found dead at his home.

    Mr Milligan, who was wearing stocking at the time of his death, was thought to have died when an autoerotic experience went tragically wrong.

    Ms Kirkbride remained dignified during the tragedy and went on to become social affairs editor of the Sunday Telegraph from 1996 until 1997 when she became an MP.

    Bit of a politics groupie really. Stepping out with one MP, marries another, becomes one herself . . . what was that people were saying about a professional political class?

  255. 255
    Anonymous says:

    David Cameron’s new book ” I promise to change everything” goes straight to the top of the bestsellers in the fiction section.

  256. 256
    Anonymous says:

    Do you think the EU as a concept is a bad idea, or it has just been poorly and undemocratically implemented?

    If the former, how would you envisage our future out of the EU, because to me it looks very grim.

    Serious question, so serious answer would be welcome.

  257. 257
    albacore says:

    And “in memoriam”?

  258. 258
    Anonymous says:

    Like a political Paula Yates

  259. 259
    strapworld says:

    Ebay will be the official Government procurement agency.

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    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    £47.8 million pounds a day saved. Every twenty four hours we would gain financially.

    And please do not give me any claptrap regarding the EU placing trade barriers & restrictive import taxes on British goods – they have far more to lose in a trade war than we do.

    For example, do you know how much BMW made in the UK last year from its OEM parts business? It is an enormous amount of money – & that is just one of the German car giants. I could go on listing industry after product after service that would leave the EU with a battered balance sheet if it tried to strong arm Great Britain into complying with its will by engaging in trade war.

    Trade war is the language of fear & retardation that the duplicitous traitor Mandelslime uses.

    What is your way forward – more of the same corrupt anti democracy, common purpose fascism?

    Do respond I am genuinely interested.

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    Postal Vote says:

    A journalist job, not dissimilar from pr, is what broon had before using his snout in earnest
    Broon’s bros have pr jobs (admittedly, one also runs a cleaning company)
    Broon’s wife had a pr company

    Sums the UK up doesn’t: very good at rehashing hot air whilst manufacturing jobs disappear!

  262. 262
    Anonymous says:

    My way forward is to be part of the EU, but only at such time it reforms itself to be 100% democratic.

    Until such point, we should as you say suspend our payments.

    If they truly have more to lose than us, then this should force them into change. If it does not, then I would concede you were right and we should leave.

    However – unlike you – I do not oppose closer integration with Europe for the sake of it, because the time for such isolationism was last century. We have to compete with vast economies like China and India will soon be, and we cannot do that alone.

  263. 263
    Doctor Mick says:

    Why not give him a hand, Sweat Lord?

  264. 264
    Ayrdale says:

    The right to recall politicians and the right to initiate binding referendums is worth fighting for.

    Here in NZ we have a citizens referendum process, where a petition signed by 10% of the electorate can force a (non-binding) referendum.

    Under the last 9 years of Helen Clark’s labour government labour of course ignored referendum results. It is little satisfaction now, but Clark became terminally unpopular and has now departed (and landed more power as #3 at the UN). The point ? Make referendums binding on the government of the day. Follow the Swiss example. Hold the pricks accountable !

  265. 265
    Steve the Hammer says:

    Not sure I like the idea of PR for the UK. All sounds very fair and not too earth shattering in the very wide EU context but the only serious examples of single nation PR are Italy and Israel. In practice this leads to coalitions, stagnation and lack of anything radical being done to challenge vested interests (Italy), and tails wagging the dog (Israel) when the major party is forced to do a deal with a small party to get itself into power.

    In Israel, on one occasion the Likud party had to bring the demented religious parties to a coalition. Result – the headbangers at religious college avoided Army service. That went down like a lead balloon with the overwhelmingly sectarian majority. Imagine if the Tories had to do a deal with the Greens……………….would we have to pay three times more for our foreign holidays by plane?

    In fact, stuff it.

  266. 266
    Anonymous says:

    “For example, do you know how much BMW made in the UK last year from its OEM parts business? It is an enormous amount of money – & that is just one of the German car giants.”

    Would they not leave and setup shop somewhere else if we left the EU? I don’t see why they would continue when they would doubtless get subsidies to relocate if we left the EU.

  267. 267
    Anonymous says:

    Paula Yates!

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    Anonymous says:

    Do you think British people are “better” than other Europeans?

    Would you have a problem with someone who is not British deciding on rules that govern your life, even if the reverse were true?

    What’s your vision for a UK outside of the EU? Or is it just more silence?

  269. 269
    Nadine Dorries Gusset. says:

    I would have *almost* been prepared to give davey wavey a chance but im afraid i simply dont believe he’ll do what needs to be done.

    I was disappointed to see no pledges to invoke a law to bring before the courts ALL politicians who tell lies to the electorate for example, or for not being completely honset and open.
    How can we trust them to do what they say theyll do when the shit in their manifestos is dispensed with as soon as it becomes troublesome for them to act on it?
    In other words theyre so bereft of any morality that theyll say and do anything because theres no consequences other than deselection at an election to be what we want- Beyond Reproach.

    Im tired of hearing politicians say one thing then doing a Gordon ala Lisbon referendum, ala William Hague of the same item on the agenda.
    I want to be able to KNOW that no conditions will be applied to a promise retrospectively just so they can worm their way out of a promise, a pledge, a vow.

    Until i get that in writing along with a written constitution im not going to be a party to voting in yet more of the same sneaky, underhanded, spin tactics that has characterised politics in this country of late.

    Right, im off to my blog to protest at how awful you all are to poor little me…whimper.

  270. 270
    Anonymous says:

    Henry Crun – typcial Tory blogger.

    Post bullshit, get asked a serious question showing his post to be bullshit, and then he runs off and there’s silence.

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    Doctor Mick says:

    This is the sort of stuff what would have headlined on Red Rag if it had not been stillborn.

    Absolutely Brilliant, Damian!!!!!!! :)

  272. 272
    Riesler says:

    So, what happens if Cameron loses his seat at the next election :-)

  273. 273
    DefamatoryVileness says:

    So, presumably, when he has a “little local difficulty” in governemt (such as Michael Heseltine vs Leon Brittan), it will be catalogued minutely on his “open blog”?

    Wasn’t Cameron a PR smoothie before taking up poliitics?

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    Anonymous says:

    So what do we do when leave the EU smart ass?

    Rely on our world-class financial sector (ha ha, shortly leaving for sunnier climes) or our world-class manufacturing industry?

    You joker.

    Words are easy, ideas less so. Concentrate on the latter before spouting your “EUSSR” babble.

  275. 275
    Dr Feelgood says:

    Ah, such wit and skilful word play. You are the true heir to Oscar Wilde and Noel Coward.

  276. 276
    I Can Hear The Grass Growing says:


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    Master Baiter says:

    Sieve brain O’Turkey wings it was a Swedish MEP saying that 2000 Euros is what his standardised travel allowance was for the journey to and from the European Parliament. He said he actually paid 500 Euros so told the EU they could have the rest back. The EU refused so he passes the difference on to charities, that’s left wingers for you.

    What do you think the right wing nutter Madshipman Danananan Hanananan MEP (Con) (sink the HMS NHS) has received for his flitting hither and thither? Will he inform his electorate? Will he heck. Bets are he doesn’t do anything with the difference other than stuff it in to his holey trouser pockets.

    Labour prospective and existing MEPs have undertaken to publish all their expenses. No word yet from UKIP, Conservatives, Greens, or Limp Dumbs.

    Whilst on the subject of Europe have a look at the outrageously reasonable state retirement pension available to all and sundry in Germany. That’s what you get for having government involved in people’s lives.

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    Plato says:

    Julie Kirkbride also employs her sister – but she doesn’t work at the HoC or in the constituency – how very odd.

    Perhaps she’s suffering from second office syndrome?

  279. 279
    Twizzle says:

    PR plays the current showers’ game.

    The candidate list

    A possible power sharing role with the Libs

    It simply makes things worse, not better. You will have even more party apparatchiks making it to Parliament.

    It causes more problems than it solves.

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    Postal Vote says:

    But Kerry extra full hair vs Bush 75% full hair in 2004 could imply otherwise

    Having said that, postal votes will give labour a 5%point edge I suspect. And with almost 30% of the country depending on the government for more than half their income, the labour economic screw-up and all party expenses scandal will not guarantee DC a commons majority. The benefit scroungers will vote for their own wallet rather than a clean-up.

  281. 281
    Doctor Mick says:

    Was it Maggie Thatcher? Apparently she is responsible for everything else including the shit state of the UK notwithstanding 12 years of NuLab power.

    Ben Elton has a lot to answer for. I hope all accounts will be settled when Dave gets in.

  282. 282
    Rod Jones says:

    I suppose I would, and I have a long wish list for all sorts of things, but the choice IS Brown or Cameron. My point is that I’m noticing broadly non-political friends and acquaintances, who don’t follow political blogs, warming to Cameron, and being impressed by him (certainly in comparison to Brown). Whatever the talk of a ‘very British Revolution’, all of the people I know, and I mean all, have their own lives as a priority ahead of fantasies, and would like, as far as possible, to be left alone by the state to get on with their lives. They are not looking for perfection from politicians! Neither am I. In the future, making sure politicians have had ‘work experience’ is a good idea; right now, Cameron is pretty much the only serious contender for Prime Minister, and a lot of people just want him to be reasonably competent and decisive. I think he’s starting to show that.

  283. 283
    Postal Vote says:

    Pressclot – very inventive use of French here!!! – congrats, high fives all around

    Wonder whether you found some nice office juniors to break your third clot seat with? Or are you already on to nr 4, you go 4th blogger?!?!?!?!

  284. 284
    Doctor Mick says:

    Fascism, like its cousin socialism, has already been tried and proved to be a spectacular failure.

  285. 285
    Albert Pierrepoint III says:

    We don’t need a massive redistribution of power, what we need is 645 MP’s hung by the neck until they are dead.

    That’ll put a stop to the fraud.

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    Master Baiter says:

    Perhaps you should note the following from his Oxford Tutor at Oxford:

    When commenting on his former pupil’s ideas about a bill of rights replacing the human rights act, Professor Bogdanor commented “I think he is very confused. I’ve read his speech and it’s filled with contradictions. There are one or two good things in it but one glimpses them, as it were, through a mist of misunderstanding”.

    “very confused”, “A mist of misunderstanding”

    how well put!

  287. 287
    Rod Jones says:

    See my comment 278 above. It’s not his CV that supports my statement, but his recent actions: he’s one of the few members of the political class that appears to be ‘getting it’, in marked contrast to the Cabinet. Note the cautious framing of my statement too “he’s starting to…”.

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    Hacked_off says:

    He was an intellectual giant.

  289. 289
    CB says:

    Are you sure it was not for the European election? I’ve just had something similar quoting examples of where the party was doing certain things, but Europe election is a party list affair for a much larger area.

  290. 290
    grandma B says:

    Perhaps Gordon needs to use Head and Shoulders on his hair a bit more frequently?

    Say what you will about Cameron, his presentation skills, appearance and manners are far superior to Gordon. Also what about silk cushions, porn videos, dry rot, fridge magnets – I could go on.

  291. 291

    Yes, the concept of the EU was a bad idea.

  292. 292
    Master Baiter says:

    Dr Goodfeel
    Try looking up the backers of the Conservative Party who serve as its Treasurers.


    The Conservatives as has been highlighted by the duck moat tennis swimming housekeeper wisteria hysteria are not only in league with the financial bandits, they are one and the same group.

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    Doctor Mick says:

    Then there’ll be another Leader of the Conservative Party and someone else will be Prime Minister. Simple really.

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    NotaSheep says:

    Might this be a way out of the EU Treaty mess – The BBC state that (my emphasis): “The Lisbon Treaty’s progress is further complicated by the fact that legal “guarantees” for Ireland, covering sovereignty, neutrality and some social issues such as abortion, are being bolted onto the treaty. This extra text then also has to be ratified by all member states. ”

    Does that mean that every EU “member state” has to re-ratify the Treaty and if so could that be the reason to give the UK electorate the referendum that Labour promised but failed to deliver?

    BBC reference etc –

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    Dack Blog says:

    My point is I don’t trust either – and I’m not happy to admit it. I do complain – on occasion with results. But what do you suggest? I ignore my other responsibilities? Quit my job and sign on so that I have the time to devote myself to this ‘calling’? As I think someone commented (along the lines of) above – I want to have someone in power who is trustworthy and competent, so that I can get on with my life and contribute to society in my way – not have to spend my time as some unpaid Jiminy Cricket for local councillors.

  296. 296
    Hacked_off says:

    That’s sold it for me MB.

    Next time instead of looking at policy, I’ll just pick the candidate with the most hair.


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    Doctor Mick says:

    I wish he would do it in the streets and not here.

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    The Archbishop of Clerkenwell says:

    Milligan got it all wrong
    He was thinking of crossing the floor to join the libdems but being partialy deaf misheard and thought that he had to become an Orange Fucker before getting the whip.
    The LibMentals may be complete Hoons but they know a pervert and one of their own kind when they see one.

  299. 299

    Really? I thought it was okay.

  300. 300
    Julius O' Ceaser says:

    Dave, sweetie, you won’t be in government, the EU will still be the government. You will just be another sock puppet.

  301. 301
    EC1 PhD says:

    Brown shirt – > HP sauce

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    Read & Weep says:

    In the US Education sector contracts are published, you can see exactly what the deal is – result – next year the tenders are lower, the tax payer benefits, the suppliers are forced to be more efficient or leave the tender.

  303. 303
    Julius O' Ceaser says:

    Hello Trolly

  304. 304
    Gerry Adams Big Sister says:

    Count me in.

  305. 305
    Hacked_off says:

    And that’s without the walking fraud that is postal voting.

  306. 306
    Anonymous says:

    “revolutionary zeal of Margaret Thatcher ”

    you mean is he bonkers like she was? Well i dont think he is. The people who will only ever settle for a clone of Mrs T are going to be in for a very long wait

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    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    Anon at 3.36pm said:

    “We have to compete with vast economies like China and India will soon be, and we cannot do that alone”.

    Would you mind qualifying that statement?

    I hear it trotted out time & again with no substance or facts behind it.

    Please tell me why we need the EU to sell British goods & services to the world.


  308. 308
    The Archbishop of Clerkenwell says:

    Libmentalcrat Leader Nick Clegg would sell his Granny for a fiver

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    Anyone for more snake oil? says:

    Until `Dave` pulls out of the EUSSR run by his Bilderberg buddies,- not fudging, not amending, not begging, not pleading, but leaving! then we are living in the new big goverment totalitarian and increasingly dangerous Soviet.

    Trust `Dave` at your peril.

    The NWO will roll on until we find a leader witrh real backbone, and that does not include the spineless fop, pro EUSSR expansionist puppet`Dave`.

    Everything else is a media illusion.

  310. 310
    Old Nick Heavenly says:

    and you might remember the n’s!

  311. 311
    Fred Dibnah's Big Chimney says:

    Just one more year to max out on expenses then.

  312. 312
    Old Nick Heavenly says:

    and the d!

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    Siegfried says:

    Breaking news:

    Will this force Cam to tip Julie Kirkbride over the edge?
    For Julie Kirkbride, politics really does seem to be a family affair. But it’s an affair that could be the last straw for the voters of Bromsgrove.

    Ms Kirkbride is already in trouble over her role* in her husband Andrew Mackay’s £140,000 misclaim of taxpayer’s cash (he claimed for their London home, she claimed for her constituency home).

    David Cameron is concerned that she clears up reports that her brother Ian Kirkbride has been living rent-free at her Worcestershire home.

    But now it seems that Ms Kirkbride’s sister Karen Leadley is also involved. Following a change in the rules requiring MPs to record which of their family members are employed at public cost, Ms Kirkbride’s entry for May 2009 – the most recent – shows that she hires Ms Leadley.

    Furthermore, the Tories’ own Right to Know register listed Ms Leadley in a salary band of between £10,000 and £20,000. Yet it also states that in June last year she was an “executive secretary” working “not at House of Commons”.

  314. 314
    Jack "the final" Straw says:

    There’s nothing worth saving of the English race.

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    EC1 PhD says:

    Is an Oxford Tutor at Oxford a particular kind of tutor at Oxford? Is it the shoes?

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    Postal Vote says:

    what’s wrong with pr? there seems to be so much comment about pr. it seems to pay quite well. pr guru Sorrell is asking for a 60 million bonus, while I’m sure that we-all-love-him Clifford does not have a car that qualifies for the clever scrappage scheme that gives you 2 grand for a car worth 500 quid.

    Don’t forget: if you want to become a top-ranked government budget deficit runner, you might as well first try your hand at tv reporting.

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    Anonymous says:

    Spot on, Old Tory.

    I remember that well.

    It was fine to bash the plebs, but once they got onto the middle class closed shops the party soon turned against her.

    The main worry about Cameroon is the same as for Thatcher.
    It wasn’t the leader(ene) but the people about her.

    Before long we had deregulation of the banks soon followed by a financial crisis.
    And lots of her cabinet and senior MPs making money on the side from privatisation and deregulation.

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    Anonymous says:

    Total agreement from most of the general public one thinks.

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    THUGGO says:

    Look Dick ‘ed we survived for hundreds of years without the EU we can survive after it’s dead and buried. Also Norway and Switerzland seem to do fine not being in it.

    Plus if your so keen to stay in the EU, why don’t you pay the 40million a day costs. We’ve been in the EU for years and got fuk all to show for it except an empty bank balance.

    And you can sod off if you think anyone is going to be happy about Turkey getting in and them coming over and stealing everyones jobs.

    If we became self sufficient again and stopped naff EU imports we would also lower the countries carbon footprint to a tiny amount instead of the SCAM known as carbon trading amongst other benefits.

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    Read & Weep says:

    The worry is that this is just the “Heir to Blair” spotting how the wind is blowing.

    That said I am excited like I have never been before with UK politics – if only ….

    His speech is almost a verbatim copy of Carswell & Hannan “The Plan” with a tad more internet eye candy thrown to the meedja.

    The chapter that is missing is that the UK leaves the EU and becomes a western economic miracle in the image of Singapore/HongKong

    Is he the man ? Does he have the team? Timing will never be better

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    Granny lover says:

    Do you have a number?

  322. 322
    Anonymous says:

    Go to Spain or France and take a look…lots of folks have left already.

  323. 323
    Anonymous says:

    Save MPs from extinction.


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    Richard Timney's hanky says:

    Fresh off the line!

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    Old Nick Heavenly says:

    But it’s very good for them Dr Mick!

    Ich bin ein Brittter!

    Je suis Anglais, moi!

    In a very loud voice.

    Everybody freezes in fear!!!!!!!!!

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    Talwin says:

    Just a thought. Brown lying even lower than usual. All getting a bit much is it Prime Minister? Missing Damian?

  327. 327
    Sherlock Holmes says:

    My children

    Calm down and concentrate on what is important now.

    You are faced with half the House and Commons and about half The Ministers of this Goivernment who have clearly stolen the People’s Money.

    When I was around, we prided ourselves on the RULE OF LAW.

    Where is the RULE OF LAW in Britain when none of these people are even being investigated ?

    Do not be put off by promises of “sweeping reform of Government” when the RULE OF LAW itself has broken down

    First things first

    I wish you success

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    More Tories Please says:

    Still awaiting MB’s defence of Gordon. I presume even he acknowledges that somethings are impossible.

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    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    “The worry is that this is just the “Heir to Blair” spotting how the wind is blowing”


    And thast is exactly why at the other end of the spectrum we have thjose mealy mouthed neo marxists in Zanulabour talking up PR. They know that the shortest route back to some sort of power is via PR.

    The are even willing to allow “extremists” (as if the main three parties are not extreme enough) a level playing field in their clamour to get back to the trough sooner rather than later.

    I despise them all – Lab, Lib & increasingly the Tories.

    They had a real chance here & are turning out to be the same old same old.

    Dissolve Parliament.

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    Engineer says:

    Meanwhile, Gordon Brown’s new book “The National Plan” bombs spectacularly, and 95% of the print run is returned from retailers for pulping.

  331. 331
    Hefferlite says:

    I’d sell my granny to make copy.

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    Sticky Bun says:

    Good point, where is McMental? Anyone know?

  333. 333
    Talwin says:

    ….or we could keep Brown, Darling, Balls x 2, Smith, Purnell, Burnham, Harman, Straw, Blears, Morley, Chaytor, Benn, etc. for another five years.

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    Gordon Dirty Tricks Brown says:

    Dont’ worry

    Me and my Goebbels Smear Department in No 10 are thinking up more filth to put out to the Lobby jounralists which is so happy to go along with my lies…

    But I am getting worried that Guy Fawkes now knows my underhand methods…

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    Master Baiter says:

    William Hague
    Ian Duncan Smith
    Maichael (Frankie) Howard

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    Dr Feelgood says:

    Ooh, I’ve got a nickname from the MB boy – I wonder if I’m on some kind of Labour hitlist as a ‘dangerous’ reactionary. I do hope so.

    The notorious class enemy, Goodfeel, has been exposed by state tribunals for opposing key party workers’ entitlements to multiple toilet seats, porn videos, remembrance wreaths, avoidance of tax… (continues for some time)…

    He was sentenced to 25 years without right of correspondence. Long live Comrade Brown, long live the glorious workers’ paradise. Onward to greater heights of tractor production.

    But, getting back to the subject, you have not answered my question. You have answered it with another one.

    To try and make out that Labour under the financial leadership of Gordon Brown had no hand in the banking crisis is risible. 2+2=5 if the party says?

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    Chief Inspector Plod says:

    Wher eare you Damien ?

    We would like to bring you for questioning now

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    let the beggars in the EU pay their own way for a change says:

    No, the original idea behind the European Community was a good and noble one.
    Britain, through the community, has dragged the impoverished countries like Spain and Greece and Italy out of their crippling poverty by giving them money.
    We have now reached the point where the beggar countries have as much wealth as we do but are demanding even more of our money than ever before.
    When one bites the hand that feeds one should not be surprised if that hand stops feeding.
    And if these beggars wish to blackmail us via trade then we will trade with other countries and it will prove the point that these untrustworthy thieves have only the worst intentions regarding Great Britain.

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    Anonymous says:

    I agree with Steve, the only way is to organise locally.

    Democracy is run by the people who turn up.
    Usually this turns out to be people who send up exploiting their position.

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    anonybot says:

    That would be similar to the Labour Party Manifesto 2005 then ?Read – weep or laugh depending on your point of view.

    As they say ALL politics ends in failure !

  341. 341
    The Rt. Hoonable J. Pressclot says:

    We’re having to change the website to in anticipation of our final position in the upcoming elections.
    Talking about upcoming and er,hmm elections, you seen Tracy out there at all ??

  342. 342
    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    As ever, an excellent point succintly put Talwin.

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    We hate Communism and the New World Order spreading it says:

    The concept of a second Moscow in Brussels is a REAL bad idea. We don’t want this Communist project. We want freedom and democracy – concepts the EU has NO time or recognition of/for.

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    Sir William Waad says:

    I suggest DC should propose an Unnecessary Regulation (Removal) Act 2010 that would apply a zero-based budgetting principle to all new laws and regulations passed since 1997, i.e. they are all repealed except a shortish specific list of useful ones. Simple test: does a rule, on balance, make us happier? At that same time, rules required by our EU participation should be minimalised, i.e. we comply but no more; all gold-plating to be removed.

  345. 345
    Sir Reginald Titbrain says:

    Slow down everybody, things are not quite as bad as they seem.

    In the midst of a disastrous economic downturn some MP’s have been taking advantage of a lax regime that has been in operation for many years and exhibited themselves in an unfavourable light; many members of the public, myself included, are disappointed and pissed off.

    But we are not in a land of unchecked graft and organised political criminality, and there is no need to hang MP’s from lamp posts, nor tear everything up and start again, we just need to elect a better calibre of person next time.

    Dave’s ideas seem both reasonable and executable to me. If he says he will do things in the manifesto and fails to deliver then he can be held to account, rest assured the BBC will be watching his performance with their usual impartial scrutiny, so there is no need to worry.

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    Anonymous says:

    Sorry, meant to add that you’ll only change things if you care enough to turn up and fight those battles.
    Leave it to professionals and they’ll only end up looking after themselves…viz seven figure exec salaries, CCTV and petty fines to keep folks in order.

  347. 347
    P.C. Filth says:

    Aha ha, sir. You are a wag albeit a dead, fictional one. Rule of law? Would that be the one where we kill innocent, white members of the public and then drive through built-up areas at 100mph, without our woo-woos going, collecting tax-payers on our windscreens as we go, sir? I thought so. Over.

  348. 348
    Humble Servant says:

    Translation, anyone ?

  349. 349
    Dormat says:



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    Damien McPoison - only following orders from my Fuhrer & doing what he knew i did best. says:

    I am in Nice & I now have a Somalian passport – no deportation for me you English wankers.

  351. 351
    it's a fact says:

    Winston Churchill

    “cultured people are merely the glittering scum which floats on the deep river of production.”

  352. 352
    Twizzle says:

    I can’t bear listeniing to Brown.


  353. 353

    On Poverty of Hip Life

    One of the best things you will read this year

  354. 354
    Honesty is the best policy says:

    Dr Mick,
    Not the brightest of fellows, are you?
    I am embarrassing David Cameron by pointing out his dishonesty.
    As a consequence of me barracking him on the most popular blog in the country there is a very good chance that David will stop making his fraudulent claims upon the public purse.
    When that happens I will be responsible for saving the taxpayer around 25k a year, over a period of a parliament I will have saved the taxpayer 100 thousand pounds.
    All from just blogging.
    You should be patting me on the back but instead you are attacking me.
    You are a tory lunatic, more interested in first past the post than common decency following the rule of law.
    You are part of the problem dr dick.

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    Arsenikker says:


  356. 356
    Moderate That IP Address says:


  357. 357
    P.C. Filth says:

    ? Over.

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    Anonymous says:

    An interesting comment from a mate – he teaches IT at a local Uni.

    He says that generally Chinese and Indian students are less capable than the locals, they can’t think for themselves.

    It’s just that they have approx 10 – 20 times as many of them – Monkeys and typing Shakespeare.

    If the British elite REALLY wanted to grow this economy, instead of simply raking off city money, we could compete with anyone.

    Alas, it’s unlikely to happen; we’d have to give everybody a proper education and we couldn’t allow that – proper competition for privately educated Crispins and Carolines? simply not on, old boy!

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    Kulture Vulture says:


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    Freaked out says:

    Couldn’t agree with you more. Had an unannounced visit from a couple of Tory canvassers over the weekend. Same old arrogance. Got quite short when I brought up the expenses fiasco. Even stated they would “report me” for having a guard dog that had the nerve to do its job (look intimidating and bark).

    Utterly depressing.

  361. 361
    THUGGO says:




  362. 362
    Anonymous says:

    Here’s hoping he’s composing his resignation speech…just dreaming.

  363. 363
    Humble Servant says:

    No one from The Official Monster Raving Loony Party standing ?

    What a failure of democracy.

  364. 364
    an innocent enquiry says:

    Who’s the man?

  365. 365
    albacore says:

    Just as an aside, has anybody here ever tried lodging a righteous complaint with the Local Government Ombudsman?
    (Actually, there are three of these worthies, but I ain’t playing the plurals game on that one).
    It’s a masochist’s wet dream.

  366. 366
    Ian Duncan Bunkum says:

    Dear Sir Reg,

    But will be get rid of the chief exeuctive roles in councils?



  367. 367
    Freaked out says:


    I was going for a cock and tits ensemble.

  368. 368
    GTO says:

    The Chinese are normally pretty smart but I suppose they’ve been dumbed down by the communists for 60 years.

  369. 369
    You can never spend too much money - as long as it is someone else's says:

    I refer the honourable executioner to my post number 50 above, I think you have rather more work on your hands than you think, working your way through local goverment!

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    Old Nick Heavenly says:

    Can anybody think of any examples of the new political leaders of a country giving back any power that had been stolen from the public by the previous incumbents.

    The Yanks imposed a new constitution on the Krauts after WW2? That and revolutions do not count!

    My conclusion is that without a revolution everybody keeps getting screwed.

    Maybe Dave will offer KY Jelly on the NHS!

  371. 371
    Engineer says:

    I think you’re spot on. The Chinese buy steelmaking equipment from DavyMarkham in Sheffield because they like the quality and are prepared to pay the price. (They buy from German manufacturers as well). If you produce things that people want, and provide services they want, at prices they are prepared to pay, they’ll buy, irrespective of whether we are in the EU or not.

  372. 372
    GTO says:

    She may of been bonkers but the world feared her and GB. They and Europe weren’t laughing at us anymore after we got back on track.

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    Moley says:

    Re Gorgon Brown and his MFI Cabinet;

    What’s all this sudden showing their cards on the Constitution all about? Why don’t they show us their cards on the economy? What are they going to do about the fallout from the explosion of toxic financial instruments held at banks, pension funds and hedge funds. It’s about trying to move the agenda on from actual allowances and expenses

    to balancing the budget and taking into account all the Government’s off balance sheet liabilities.

    Where’s the plan?

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    Louis-garde Rhode says:

    One obvious and headline grabbing example would be to scrap the Pub smoking ban and hand the power to impose or not impose the ban to the local councils.

    That way your trendy areas like Islington could have their ban while rural or deprived areas could be boosted with busy and open pubs.

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    Moley says:

    Heath is the real villain.

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    The big D says:

    The original EU concept was to prevent future European wars by a trade based common market.

    The 1975 referendum pamphlet contained the following : “Fact No. 2. No important new policy can be decided in Brussels or anywhere else without the consent of a British Minister answerable to a British Government and British Parliament.” Is that still true today?

    If the EU had stayed EFTA like, a common market, it would probably have support today. Even the most ardent EU supporter have to admit there has been substantial “mission creep” in the last 34 years.

    Politicians lying about the impact of EU regulation ( only 15,000 East European workers moving to the UK?) ensures the EU has enjoyed a worse press than it might have done.

    Originally a good idea, but is not what we signed up to in 1975. It would not have been accepted in it’s 2009 form then or now.

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    Flotom says:

    It is not another tier of government. Cameron is talking about lowering the amount of MP’s at Westminster. No problem lets get rid of the Scottish Welsh and Northern Irish MPs.

    They all have their own Parliaments now anyway they can go and be politicians in their own country’s

  378. 378
    Flotom says:

    I have no problem with English Independence the sooner the member for Banff bring on the referendum for Scottish Indpendence the better.

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    Master Baiter says:

    Condemned the North Korean nuclear test.
    Called for cooperation between nations to recover from the economic downturn.
    Announced new rules for Gurkhas seeking residency in the United Kingdom.
    Proposed MPs expenses are independently regulated.
    Launched a car scrappage scheme

    Brown has indicated that the essential difference between a Conservative and Labour government in the context of a global recession is the following:

    A Conservative government will have a devil take the hind most policy. This would mean a generation thrown on the scrap heap on the basis of a discredited ‘free market’ dogma.
    A Labour government will take all steps it can to preserve jobs and training to ensure that when the economy recovers there is an able work force in place to deliver an enduring recovery.
    Conservative policies would make the recession worse and make any recovery slower.

    Spivs and thieves, including lawyers and bankers pretend that their milking of the system is a private enterprise. Quite often it is simply a drain on the productive part of the economy. Private pensions are charged 3% management fees, that is robbery.

    There is rampant waste in government run services but that waste is dwarfed by the waste and corruption in the private sector.

    The Reagan/Thatcher era is over.

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    I am Sick says:

    “Do you think British people are “better” than other Europeans?”

    I was wondering when the absurd wascism taunt would be rolled out.

    You miss the point completely ( deliberately ? ) the argument is about the EU, not other Europeans, who have, when given the choice, also rejected the creation of the undemocratic EU superstate.

    Many of the 3,000 laws so enthusiastically passed by ZanuLabour over the last 12 years, have their roots firmly in EU directives / orders, from an unelected, unremovable and unaccountable technocracy, that have NO democratic mandate to rule anyone.

    In other words the EU is a putative fascist dictatorship, that with the help of supine and corrupted national institutions, seeks actively to undermine national sovereignty, remove rights and restrict freedom.

    Bliar and gormless Gordon have just been obeying orders, regarding every draconian removal of legal protections, civil rights and the fundemental nature of our society, the implementaion of mass uncontrolled immigration and the erosion of all public standards via Common Purpose.

    To accept the New Order, one must destroy the old order, that is what the EU is all about and that is why it must be fought to the end.

    If Cameron is serious about freedom, he has to get serious about the institution that is systematically destroying freedom, the EU.

  381. 381
    Old Nick Heavenly says:

    As I have said many times before on the DT:

    When I left the United Condom in 1995 I felt like a Jew leaving Germany in the 1930’s!

    La Honte!!!!!!!

  382. 382
    The Watcher says:

    The EU can’t do anything to stop a country leaving it, Sure you’ll get all the EU staff and parasites and common purpose gradutes make a hoo haw on the internet and media once their portion of gravy is reduced. It’ll try and slap a fine on a country for leaving but just do a Hitler and say you aint paying it.

    The EU is like a stack of cards or dominoes once say one country such as the UK or France or Germany leaves the EU the whole thing will fall down.

    Someone also explain the need why we’ve been paying them 50million a day for two decades+

    Surely if theirs more members in it now then we don’t have to pay so much?

    The whole EU is a giant ponzi scam trying to desperately become a 21st century Holy Roman Empire style entity.

  383. 383

    Absolutely not, I in no way compete with Guido, nor wish to. My style and angle is entirely different. Not only that, but I liked what I’ve got already: a few MPs, some Cabinet.

  384. 384

    Absolutely not, I don’t compete with Guido, nor do I wish to. My style and angle is entirely different & besides, I like what I’ve got: a few MPs, some Cabinet.

  385. 385
    Old Nick Heavenly says:

    The Bank of England, the Fed, Rothchilds, Gollman Sex, etc, etc etc.

    They have bought and paid for your governments, with your money!

    Oh how I regret the 16 months of Income Tax that I have paid since I left school in 1970!

    Who does Tony work for?

    The Sad Wanker must know the answer to this one!

  386. 386
    Moley says:

    There is a convention in the house of commons that you are not allowed to accuse another MP or Minister of lying.

    Scrap that convention and then include an oath of honesty and truthfulness which MPs will swear to when a new Parliament begins.

    Break it and you are out. No ifs, no buts.

    Come on Dave, you know it’s the right thing to do.

  387. 387

    […] This post was Twitted by sethomas21 – […]

  388. 388
    Dack Blog says:


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    The Watcher says:

    We should hang Brown after the GE and televise it like Saddam.

  390. 390
    Anonymous says:

    Read the Plan and was knocked out by it. A fantastic political book that is easy to read and truley feels like it is in touch with the mood of the country. A Radical manifesto for bringing real change to UK. I have given copies to mates and just hope that the tory heirarchy are honest in taking on board the spirirt and the detail of the plan.

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    Master Baiter says:

    Dr A V A Goodfeel,
    The financial sector is very powerful, ask Norman Lamont what it’s like to go up against it. The financial sector has grossly abused that power.

    To suggest that the 1997 reforms in financial regulation caused the current financial meltdown and toxic fallout is ….well plain stupid.

    There is an expression used by Nouriel Roubini, called ‘financial arbitrage’, he explains it better than anyone. But in essence he says that without international cooperation there is no chance of regulating the financial markets. He is correct.

    However as things stand the malfeasance carried out by the financial bandits over the last few years will have an enduring effect on the economies of the world.

    Clapped out ‘free market’ dogmas have no chance of providing a solution.

    O’Cameron and Frogspawn are out of their depth as they demonstrate every day.

  392. 392
    Dack Blog says:

    Christ almighty. I know that. I do what I can in the time I’ve got and stem the tide of apathy as best I can. I’m too busy and knackered to be fighting battles on top of everything else. I admire those that find the time to do more. What’s their bloody secret?

  393. 393
    Postal Vote says:


    Not sure about Ashcroft, but Fink and Spencer have not presided over imploding loan portfolios as Goodwin, Cros(s?)by and Wanles(s?) have (Wanles(s) has helped to have one less bank i.e. Northern not so Rock). Instead, Fink and Spencer have built best-in-class companies that have not at all contributed to the implosion of capital markets and the economy.

    I write this from a non-partisan perspective, as a non-uk-based non-british investor who has met the boards of all the companies involved quite a few times.

  394. 394
    Steve says:

    The CURRENT British Government have already retified the treaty (it went through Parliament on a 3-line whip from Labour last year).

    Once all 27 countries have ratified it then it becomes law automatically – DC’s only hope is that he gets into power before it is ratified by the others (Ireland have a referendum in October I think, and there are a couple of east European nations still to ratify).

    As Plato says above (107) having a retrial after the rope has dropped will serve no effective purpose as the treaty will be permenatly and irrecovably in force until another treaty supercedes it, and no treaty since Rome in 1950 has ever gone away from further Euripean integration…

  395. 395
    The Watcher says:

    Get everyone working back in the fields like a true communist dictatorship? All good lefties wank over that idea.

  396. 396
    Steve the Hammer says:

    and a closet…………..Socialist

  397. 397

    Anonymong…haven’t even got the brains to think up a decent non de plume?

    Both Wintertons are standing down, as is Hogg, Viggers, et al. Expect more of the same should those you mention be found to be in breach of the rules.

    A damn sight more than what Gordon has done so far. “Err what Hazel has done is unacceptable, what Geoff and Dave and Ed and Harriet and Jack and Me isn’t”. The man couldn’t run his own bathwater.

  398. 398
    Henry Crun says:

    At least the trains are running on time

  399. 399
    Anonymous says:

    Yes but it’s those on the right who want to leave the EU, so it’s they who need to come up with a plan.

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    Master Baiter says:

    Spencer has had to come lcean about not reporting using shareholdings as collateral when a director of a listed company (Numis).
    He has had to liquidate large chunks of his holding in ICAP. ICAP advised local councils to deposit hundreds of millions in Iceland. City Index had to be bailed by Spencer. Spencer is haemoraging money on duff highly leveraged commerical property portfolio.
    Fink was in charge of MAN when it ripped off a private investor and has been ordered to pay 20 million compensation, how many others did the firm rip off under his ‘leadership’.
    Ashcroft is an opaque off shore tax evading funder of a Brisitsh political party.
    Many opposition front bench backers have gone bust eg backers of Hague, Merebis Capital.
    The stink is pervasive.
    Why do you think there is such an effort at distraction over things like MPs allowances and the obvious sniping between Murdoch and Barclay boys?

  401. 401
    Anonymous says:

    Who said anything about fascism?

    Standing up for British way of life is not fascism.

    If you’re thick enough to think voting for the Tories or UKIP is going to change anything, then explaining this to you is probably a waste of time anyway.

  402. 402
    Anonymous says:

    Probably cowering in a corner of his bunker, waiting for someone to change his nappy.

  403. 403
    Anonymous says:

    The Wintertons are standing down? Oh whoopee-do.

    They should have the whip removed immediately, they should be forced to stand down at next election, not do it voluntarily, they should pay the money back, and possibly face investigation for their claims.

    None of this happened under Cameron, so how is he much different from Brown?

    And no I can’t be arsed to think up a name.

  404. 404
    Anonymous says:

    This is the way it always been, and if you don’t like it you’re an anti-semite!

  405. 405

    > It’s just a shame that when you want something done correctly the public have to do it themselves.

    It’s not a shame it’s an Iron Law of Nature. It’s why socialism ALWAYS fails.

  406. 406
    Anonymous says:

    Master Baiter seems to think that Labour criminality in expenses scandal is ok because they don’t have enough class to want a moat in the first place.

    Strange logic from a strange individual.

    Labour are as guilty as anyone else, if not more, as we will see when Spliff goes to court.

  407. 407
    Anonymous says:

    Negotiate ?
    The EU is run by a bunch of crooks.
    Negotiation with such people is not an option.

  408. 408
    Anonymous says:

    Renegotiation ? No chance whatsoever – it needs the agreement of all the other treaty nations. Just leave the EU – end of.

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    Yep change and improvement are orthogonal.

  410. 410
    Toulouse Labrecq says:


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    Sir Ivan Wallenquist IV says:

    Dear Sir,

    May I enquire how many fine pounds this titillating academic discourse may cost one humble soul to purchase at a local book retailer?

    Much obliged for the help and good day to you.

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    Big Dave Must GO NOW says:

    Saves him having to actually make decisions, shows a complete lack of leadership

  413. 413
    claire rand says:

    one word: freenet

    one TLA: TOR

    one concept: encryption

  414. 414
    HoC Mafia says:

    “But we are not in a land of unchecked graft and organised political criminality,”

    Are you having a laugh?

  415. 415
    filipinomonkey says:

    Reuters – Tuesday 26th May

    Ancient fossil could be missing link claim.

    Scientists this week have stated that minute examination of a long dead fossil proves conclusively a linkage to the human race. The recently displayed fossil, (known as Brownosaurus obsoletii) shows some amazing similarities to modern humans.

    “The condition of this fossil is amazing” said a top Oxford professor David Isthecameraon “how it managed to survive in such a hostile environment simply beggars belief.

    It’s expected that this specimin will remain on display for some time to come.

  416. 416
    Albert Pierrepoint III says:

    Have someone leaked our manifesto?

  417. 417
    Harriet Hogperson says:

    Speciperson please.

  418. 418


    My whole life beliefs can’t be a sham………


  419. 419
    Yobbo says:

    How much squid does it cost geeza and where can i get it, cause it got to come out me jobs seekas allowance init.

  420. 420
    Tory Boy says:

    Plan B

    We bring back Maggie

    She’s got 5 years life in her.

  421. 421
    Judge Jeffreys says:

    >But we are not in a land of unchecked graft and organised political criminality

    Have you been in a bunker for the last two weeks?

    200+ MP’s caught fiddling since before the “disastrous economic downturn” started. That is either organised crime, conspiracy to defaud, theft or grand larceny. Take your pick.

    There is certainly a case for hanging here, if only to make sure the next intake of MP’s take their responsibilities a little more seriously.

  422. 422
    EU puppet Dave says:

    The people don’t want EU breadcrumbs they want out of the bastard thing.

    Dave is doing ALL he can to save this dying evil fascist beast, by offering us stale breadcrumbs, while the political class get caviar and duck islands.

    What mandated right has the EU to make ANY law in this country, what right do the have to DEFINE OUR BORDERS?
    but Dave says look i have some bread crumbs for you, they only cost 15 billuion! all hail Daves pro EU 5 year trojan disctatorship for the megre offerings.

    Hey `Dave` shove it!

  423. 423
    robert says:

    You are all talking bollocks about a referendum on the Lisbon so-called Treaty; no Parliament can bind a following Parliament on any matter at all, this is a fundamental, basic feature of our (unwritten) constitution, so it’s irrelevant whether or not it has been ratified by anyone at all.

    Treaties can be broken very easily, and eventually they usually are, according to the interests of the participants; as my old mate Adolf said of the Munich Treaty, “it’s just a piece of paper”, especially if it’s the wish list of a bunch of corrupt foreigners whose interests are inimical to my England.

    Let’s just break it, very, very, soon. Tomorrow would be especially good!

  424. 424
    CONtractors says:

    But we already know why certain companies bid for the contracts they do. For example, IBM is a large contractor in New Labour’s ID cards scheme, why is that? It’s because IBM have extensive knowledge in building databases that help the government exterminate their enemies. Just ask the Nazis who had IBM’s help in exterminating millions thanks to trawling though innocent census data.

  425. 425
    Anonymous says:

    I have just spent 2 hours in a uni’ exam writing about the ruddy Reformation. I am always amazed how you lot survived. I am sure if you lot started using condoms you would die out before the turn of the next century.

  426. 426
    Anonymous says:

    dave cant even get rid of kirkbride,no balls, and the weirdo tory boys think he can win an election.roll on june2010.cant wait for his policys…to be ripped to shreds

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    Silvio Tanner says:



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    Into the valley of swill charged the 600 says:

    It might be a good idea for Dave and the chimp to form a joint premiership .The chimp could speak in the Commons, chair the cabinet meetings, handle the economy, go off on state visits, attend public functions, give the UK the promised referendum on the EU, talk to the Media, and Dave can wipe the chimp’s arse.!

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    Raving Loon says:

    All this talk of direct democracy leaves me a little concerned, as if the despotic nature of our government will be curtailed if power is wielded by the people directly. Tyranny is as easily exercised by a million voters as it is by a small ruling elite. For example, if 51% of the people voted to abolish the freedom of speech, or the right of peaceful assembly, it would not doubt be democratic but hardly respectful of our freedoms.

    A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

    — Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States

    Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.

    — James Madison, 4th President of the United States

  430. 430
    Anonymous says:

    True. Treaties really aren’t worth the paper they are written. The French our glorious leaders in the EU project ignore European legislation more than anyone. The trouble is we Brits follow rules. We are dumb like that.

    At uni’ the politics lot bang on and on about better being in than out of EU. If we are we can influence what happens. My argument about leaving the EU and joining the US on the same basis is treated as stupid. I hate f*cking politics lecturers.

    Manifesto’s should be more than sales spiel. That should be formal documents like a contract. If we are promised a referendum on a treaty and we vote for that party we should get a referendum.

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    Talwin says:


  432. 432
    Reg Buttox says:

    your head’s an icosidodecahedron

  433. 433
    Anonymous says:

    Yes but if the majority vote for it they vote for it. PR etc. doesn’t work.

    We need compulsory voting. What pisses me of is it is 51% of 60% that decide the vote.

    Don’t forget that the main parties are minority interest groups too. And they are just excepted, nobody questions them. It is given. Liebour, Tory, and the other ones. It is from their tiny membership those who run our country are decided how the country is run. Well 20% of legislation they do have direct input. Minus the Scots who vote but don’t live here. And the Welsh. And the Ulstermen.

    As many as people attend a Church of England service each week as the combined membership of Liebour and Tory party. Yet according to the left the C of E is minority. A dying minority to boot.

  434. 434
    Anonymous says:

    Because we make very little, and what we do make is more expensive and of a lower quality than that which can be obtained elsewhere.

    It’s not rocket science.

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    It seems a tad unbelievable given his barring of Conservatives in ‘Better Off Out’ from the front bench and the way he abandoned even Howard’s old pledge to unilaterally opt out of the Common Fisheries Policy, doesn’t it?

  436. 436
    Anonymous says:

    Why are the LibDems mental?

    They have proposed more sensible policies than the main two parties combined, but it would spoil the fun I guess to vote a 3rd party into power. Kind of ruin the troughing the main 2 are used to….

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    Anonymous says:


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    Anonymous says:

    kirkBRIBE and cameron the true face of toryism

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    no longer anonymous says:

    Dear Tinfoil Hat brigage,

    STFU, you are undermining the anti-EU cause with your foaming-at-the-mouth weirdness.

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    Mr Broon has been strangely silent these last few days, part from the proforma announcement on N Korea, which was I would guess drafted by a junior member of staff. Has he been sectioned, finally?

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    So what do we do IN the EU with an over-regulated economy?

    Outside the EUSSR we can trade with growing non-socialist economies inside the EUSSR we can have a common customs area with failing socialist (a tautology) economies.

    Better of out by far!

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    Re the possible sectioning of Mr Broon. Any people from the Maudsley feel free to join in.

  443. 443
    Anonymous says:

    Yes but nothing will change under the Tories.

    If you think otherwise you are naive

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    > except the scroungers living off the state ofcourse and there are plenty of them)

    They don’t live off the state, they live off the backs of working taxpayers!

  445. 445
    Anonymous says:

    And now I’ve done a Paula Radcliffe

  446. 446
    Anonymous says:

    “STFU, you are undermining the anti-EU cause with your foaming-at-the-mouth weirdness.”

    Dude where have you been? The “anti-EU cause” is made up of foaming-at-the-mouth Drapers and Hoons.

    They still think we have an empire ffs!

  447. 447
    Anonymous says:

    Yes I find kow-towing to Americans and Israelis infinitely more preferable, they are just so much nicer about our slavery to them, than these pesky Europeans and their ideas of fraternity and partnership.

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    Anonymous says:


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    Raving Loon says:

    What we need is not compulsory voting, but simply less government. Why should every facet of our lives be put to the vote and in the hands of government? Why not let individuals pursue their own interests in life instead of it beine decided by government, whether a representitive one, or directly exercised by the body poltic?

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    Anonymous says:

    It’s not racism, we’re all European!

    We do not pay £40m a day. If you want honest statistics, look a bit further than your UKIP manifesto.

    So, to home in on the salient point, if the EU were democratic what would your objections be? How would you envisage us competing in the 21st century global economy, given we make fuck all and its shit and expensive when we get off our arses to do so?

    And to THUGGO – we survived for hundreds of years by pillaging other countries’ wealth. We are no longer able to do so (c.f.Suez). Norway has vast oil reserves, Switzerland has a lot of wealth from dubious sources – what do you seriously think we can rebuild our economy on? Apart from increasing our fossil fuel depedency….

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    Anonymous says:

    And the EU commission is appointed by its member states – that is not dictatorship, that is representative democracy squared: we vote for our politicians, they choose our commissioner. Ditto for the other countries.

    If you don’t like it, why don’t you wake the fuck up and stop voting for tweedledum and tweedle dee you fucking numpty.

  452. 452
    Anonymous says:

    Steve – why was it a bad idea?

    If the EU was governed by a democratically elected state, why is it a bad idea?

    Do you think we would do better as a small nation than as part of a larger state? If so, do tell us how we would prosper…no manufacturing, appalling service industries, shoddy and crooked financial sector….

    #339 “And if these beggars wish to blackmail us via trade then we will trade with other countries ”

    Trade what exactly? What do we produce to trade to other nations that is reasonably priced and of good quality? Come on , seriously, what?

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    Anonymous says:

    So what you’re saying is we’re fucking incompetent, but at least Brussels gets us to up our game… let’s leave the EU, and just have incompetence 100% of the time.

    Great plan.

    This country is fucked if this message board is anyway representative.

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    Anonymous says:

    So many of you are sucked in to the blame Brussels game.

    The (non-MEP) politicians must be laughing all the way to John Lewis at how easily you are fooled into blaming others for our own MPs complete utter incompetence.

    No wonder the British people are so often called sheep.

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    Anonymous says:

    If I want political reform, why would I listen to a Tory or Labourite?

    They’re part of the problem.

    Shuffling a few chairs around at the trough so they can continue to grease the wheels of big business means fuck all. Truly.

  457. 457
    Anonymous says:

    Why would the USA want this knackered cess pit of a nation?

    You think too highly of yourself

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    Anonymous says:

    We were not promised a referendum on the treaty.

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    What party do you support?

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    DMC says:

    I remember hearing this from Blair in 1997. An idea for post Guido is comparing Blair in 1997 and Cameron now, i would bet that they sound like twins seperated at Birth.

    Fixed Term Parliaments- The Canadian Conservatives promised the exact same thing in 2006 and they passed a law promising a fixed term parliament. In September 2008, the say things were getting economically rocky and the Prime Minister ignored his own law and called an early election. The same would happen here.

    The sad thing is these are not bad ideas but i do fear this is the typical thing that you Bitch about while in opposition and do nothing when you get into government.

  461. 461
    Anonymous says:

    dont worry about the jocks they will be leaving westminster after the next election, have a look at the jock polls, and cameroons 10% cut in mp,s might go deeper than he would like

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    Sir Mallard (my expenses are private) TwatterSteen says:

    Real fear from the Tories about PR.

    What with UKIPs massive boost it’s hardly surprising.

    And a desperate Labour Party will do it to keep them in the game.

    So Italy & Israel are the only two countries with a system of PR. ?
    Of course they are.

    Forgetting the Tories are perfectly happy with PR in Scotland are we ?
    Labour are in the same boat & will enact it UK wide simply to spite Dave.

  463. 463
    Anonymous says:

    10% isn’t nearly enough, with most backbenchers bored I would like to see nearer 20-25%. Absolutely no one will miss them.

  464. 464
    Guidos Toryboy central. the UK's Colbert Report says:

    Ad Hominem is the reams of hilariously out of touch namecalling screamed fiuriously about Brown only having one eye & being a scot spouted endlessly on these boards in place of coherent arguments, little Tory boy.

    The public rightly wants to kick Brown out for reasons that aren’t a joke.

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    Guidos Toryboy central. the UK's Colbert Report says:

    Indeed the Bolivian marching powder is a far more refined & appropriate choice for scampish torys.

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    Sir Mallard (my expenses are private) TwatterSteen says:

    Poor Dave has opened a Pandora’s box as the public will not be satisfied with just the reforms Dave thinks are safe. PR a fully elected house of lords and a radical cutting of MP’s to 400 await.

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    Tricky Dicky says:

    I was very impressed with what Cameron had to say today – I only hope he can deliver on it. I have my copy of The Plan on order…..

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    Austrian Economist says:

    The man from Vienna – he say yes.

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    Tricky Dicky says:

    Don’t tar them all with the same brush – some of them mean what they say and write, including Hannan for one. Labour OUT! Let’s give David Cameron a chance to put his money where his mouth is – if he lets us down like Blair did, then kick him out – if he means what he says and he delivers on it – then all power to his elbow.

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    Anonymous says:

    Compulsory voting trust me dear Mr Loon.

    A lot of voter apathy results from people’s belief their vote won’t count. I live in a marginal seat that would have gone with that third lot who like orange but Liebour get in every time. The day after a GE all I hear is I would have voted for third lot who like orange but I didn’t think they would get in so I didn’t vote……….

    You surrender certain freedoms to the state to benefit from collective security. And being apart of a society implies certain obligations.

    No government results in chaos. Better an inept government than no government. Not sure what state we are in now. :)

    There is small government and chaos.

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    It doesn't add up... says:

    Fixed term parliaments promote boom and bust cycles: inflate economy before election, bust soon after. Such cycles become as predictable as seasonal effects, and have been regularly seen in the US. In the present circumstances 4 years will be insufficient to allow much repair to the damage caused by Labour.

    Some mechanism to halt abuse without resorting to revolution is a different matter. Perhaps one of the benefits of a constitutional monarchy is that (violent) revolution against the political hierarchy becomes less necessary. However, even the publicised hints dropped by the Queen in recent weeks may not be enough this time around, as Brown will choose to ignore her.

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    Charles Gussett MP says:

    As knee-jerk politics goes Dave has stolen a march on this one. Next we’ll be having a succession of remorseful introspections on youtube…

    [url=] Rt. Hon Charles Gussett MP[/url]

  474. 474
    Dave R says:

    Fair play to the man if he wants to rework cental government – that is to say, he really wants to rework it and isn’t just saying this to ride the wave.

    But seriously, ‘All good, but has he really got the revolutionary zeal of Margaret Thatcher needed to take on the entrenched bureaucracy?’

    God I hope not. Margaret thatcher’s ‘zeal’, we can well do without. And as I recall, wasn’t she thrall to the same business interests and free-market idiocy that got us into our current financial mess? Hardly revolutionary.

    I’d vote conservative, except that they’d never win here in Sheffield, except in one place but I’m not in that part. I’ll just have to vote Lib Dem and give the conservatives one less labour MP to worry about.

    And am I the first to suggest this, but why don’t people (the other political parties and private citizens) mount a sustained offensive on Gordon Brown’s own seat, so that he can be not only out of the PM’s job, but not even in parliament full stop?

  475. 475
    Housing Hubba Bubba says:

    Most local councils are like this. My council decided to upgrade the existing DVD drives in all PCs. It purchased just over 1000 drives at an eye watering £90 a unit. The cost of the same drive from various online retailers…… £15.

  476. 476
    Housing Hubba Bubba says:

    Gordon and the rest of the cabinet are probably busy getting their book deals organised, ready for when are booted out of office.

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    Snake Oil Salesman says:

    Theres one born every minute!

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    Socialism killed 100m in 20C, Capitalism destroys poverty says:

    Anonymous 446, 447 and 448 – same person presumably.


    (a) we are not all European,
    (b) the EU is not democratic,
    (c) the EU as exists today is absolutely nothing like the EEC that this country joined the early seventies,
    (d) read your history on what it took to ‘run an empire’ (hint) we *lost* money ‘pillaging’ other countries,
    (e) with EU regulations removed this country can be astonishingly wealthy and a magnet for those who want to make a difference and find their own freedom,
    (f) swearing at people is not particularly clever,
    (g) would you invest in a company whose accounts had not been signed off for 12 years?,
    (h) being told to ‘vote again’ until you produce the ‘right’ response is not democracy,
    (g) EU politicians have their snouts so far into the trough its hard to figure out how they breathe
    (h) the EU wants to govern more and more aspects of our lives
    (i) the EU has destroyed our fishing industry
    (j) more laws in this land are created by unelected bureaucrats from the EU in the form of ‘directives’ than are passed by elected officials in our own land

    and finally,

    I will not be told what ‘democracy’ and freedom is from the following nations, who have not had the continuous freedom this nation has since Cromwell;

    Germany = obvious
    Spain = dictatorship until 1975
    Italy = democracy 1946 onwards
    France = how many republics do you need before you get it right?
    Portugal = democracy 1974 onwards
    Eastern Europe = from 1991

    I am totally in favour of free trade, as it is definitely the way to stop wars “if goods will not cross borders, then soldiers will” – Bastiat, but the EU has virtually nothing to do with free trade and everything to do with control. Napoleonic law is not appropriate in this country, and to foist that level of control on this populace will end in tears.

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    Dave boy is full of shit says:

    Dave boy is full of shit

    Not very sincere why is he not sacking all the greedy bastards in his party including himself.

    £680 to clear wisteria from the chimney of his very large country home. And he gets taxpayers to pay the interest £1,700 a month for the last eight years on his £350,000 mortgage.

    Cameron is just another Blairite wannabe jumping on the voters bandwagon and once in power “duh” I’ve changed my mind about all those promises i made just like Tony (the Banker) and Herr Brown(the one eyed North of the boarder idiot)

    Dissolve the house of theifs

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    Stop Common Purpose taking over our Councils says:

    Hey Anonymous, you Eu clone, what are you planning to get out of it yourself, what have they promised to postrait yourself and your country before them? Don’t you know what happened to Hitler’s brownshirts who got him into power? They were all murdered. So better start rethinking thickhead.

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    We need independents to stand to get our democracy back says:

    No she took away power from the local parish and town councils – the only true democracy in this country. She allowed larger councils to spend 1,000’s on useless logos (50,000 for Barnet’s useless logo) when the existing ones would do. She gave away our utilities to the French and Germans who screw us for every penny they can get away with and she destroyed our ability to create our own fuel (coal) by destroying the miners, ensuring that every pensioner and person on low income is fearful of utility bills and our elderly now spend their winter days in shopping centres as they cannot afford to heat their own homes. She also didn’t protect our fishermen (our ability to gather our own fish) and allowed our fisheries to be destroyed in the process.

    What else did she do? Oh yes, destroy the existing British City of London which was then replaced by Americans and German banks with most power. Resulting in our now corrupt City.

    Great gal wasn’t she……

  482. 482
    Wavy Davy slurps Bullingdon Gravy says:

    Brown hides like a coward and makes the occasional interview.

    Call me Dave is all over the place making placating noises, empty rhetoric and limp gestures that Brown won’t. So he thinks he’s winning some kind of moral victory as a few old duffers retire after the election while right now they are still taking the paychecks and look forward to a lovely pension.

    Meanwhile the public thinks they are all crook, scumbags and thieves, are talking about duck houses and moats and wants to see them all jailed or shot.

    Dave’s PR offensive might not seem so clever when you see the opinion polls or the results of the Euros and Locals.

    A hung Parliament is now hardly out of the realm of possibility if this goes on for another few weeks as the Lib Dems have piggies but nowhere near the scale of Labour and Cons and they are getting nowhere near the press or hatred that Labour and the Cons are getting.

    Clegg’s a bit of a twat by the way but he’s benefitting most right now if we don’t count the BN P and UKIP protest votes.

  483. 483
    Wavy Davy slurps Bullingdon Gravy says:

    a) letting Dave get all the facetime as the Expenses drip out day by day by day as Brown’s advisors think any and all Polticians making themselves incredibly visible all the time right now will inevitably become a target for boiling public hatred regardless of what they say.

    b) Make one very large and hot air filled platitudinal “vision for Britain” speech before the Euro elecs then after he and Cameron get smacked hard by the voter at these Elecs and when he thinks the DT has all but finished, he will roll out his programme of reforms in a blaze of publicity. Reforms that he Mandy and the policy wonks have been working on since the disaster erupted, which may or may not include things like…

    cutting MP numbers, fixed terms, some kind of bill of rights, a primary system, a clampdown on second jobs, a clampdown on Party funding, a totally elected House of Lords and quote possibly if the Euro and locals are bad enough and Mandelson and Blair have agreed, Proportional Representation.
    Maybe a referendum on it. Maybe even legislation.
    Because he knows how much Cameron fears it in the wake of a rampant UKIP and Brown also knows he can’t rely on scotland as a block vote anymore.

    Will any of this work ?

    The public wants action not words so I doubt it.

    And getting a pat on the head from the commentariat in the Press is certainly not the same as getting the public back on your side after they have labeled all Politicians as thieving scum.

    So Brown and Cameron are both pretty much fucked.

  484. 484
    Winston Churchill once said says:

    “In war as in life, it is often necessary when some cherished scheme has failed, to take up the best alternative open, and if so, it is folly not to work for it with all your might”.

    “If we open a quarrel between past and present, we shall find that we have lost the future”.

  485. 485
    The Rt. Hon. Reginald McKenna – Chancellor of the Exchequer once said says:

    “I am afraid that the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can, and do, create money. The amount of money in existence varies only with the action of the banks in increasing and decreasing deposits and bank purchases. Every loan, overdraft, or bank purchase creates a deposit and every repayment of a loan, overdraft or bank sale destroys a deposit. And they who control the credit of a nation direct the policy of governments, and hold in the hollow of their hands the destiny of the people.”

  486. 486

    “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”

    Thomas Jefferson 1743 – 1826 – 3rd president of the United States

  487. 487
    Dave is Heir to Blair - God help us all! says:

    “They still think we have an empire ffs!”

    We no longer have a country let alone an empire, once you cease to control immigration and borders, once you cease to make the majority of your own laws, your democracy becomes increasingly meaningless your country has already been lost, All that is needed is the last few nails from the eager self serving traitors to the people.

    `Dave` is such a person, as was Heath, Major, Blair and Brown, they too gave us promises, Wrapped themselfs in the flag which behind closed doors they were wiping their arses on, with no opposition from the corrupted top down political class.

    Remember the joy when Tony came to power, the promises, the high hopes.

    Heir to Blair couldn’t be any more accurate – God help us all.

  488. 488
    True Brit says:


    The Scots are pious and thrifty, keep the holy day……and everything else……

    The Welsh are pious, enjoy song, pray on Sundays…………and if necessary, on passers by

    The Irish are peaceful by nature……….and will fight any man who says different

    The English are self-made men………thereby relieving God of responsibility

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    Winston Churchill once said says:

    “There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion”.

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    Winston Churchill once said says:

    “Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen”.

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    What Gordon did next says:

    I thought you had your own blogs to play instead of anoying the grown ups. Now do go away dear boy.

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    What Gordon did next says:

    Sounds like the rather excellent Swiss model to me. Agree to implement VAT at a rather low level. Agree to consider all EU legislation and either: Agree it sounds reasonable and adopt it or; tell them it makes no sense and to shove it. What they get back is free movement of good without tax barriers. Makes perfect sense to me.

    They also have the rather atrractive idea of forming National policy via the Cantons (with a referendem) and only when there is a majority does it become a national law.

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    What Gordon did next says:

    Would that would be the same German Government that are now trying to figure out how the hell they are going to pay for it?

    And the same Germany where nearly all employees in small and medium size companies have short term contracts because of the draconian legislation that has been implemented?

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    Raving Loon says:

    I think central banking promotes boom and bust cycles, governments are incidental.

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    What Gordon did next says:

    Unfortunately you used up one of those minutes!

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    Anonymous says:

    Agreed 100%.

    Everytime i see Dave making promises, im minded to think of a news headline:

    “Big Local Fox pledges clearup of Fox problem”.

    Yeah right Dave.
    Unfotunately Dave, youre as much a part of the problem as the rest of em.
    Its the fact that youre untrustworthy as the rest that makes you entirely unbelieveable.

    The solution to parliaments ill does not lie within it, it lies outside of it, in the people.

    Dissolve parliament, issue criminal preceedings against ALL those who have abused the system, deselct ALL those who have had their piggy faces in the trough ( so a good 3/4 of them) and the people of this country will decide who we want in.
    Question. Do we really need politicians at all? I dont think so. We need professionals who can run the country to economic advantage without all this left/right/centre shit, its fucking up my Chii.

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    Henry Crun says:

    I don’t want change, only improvement.

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    Anonymous says:

    You were looking at the posting from 25th May? I haven’t laughed so much in ages.

    If she has had to take to her bed through the stress of it all she should retire to a croft in the north of Scotland and raise cucumbers

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    Big Dave Must GO NOW says:

    Hague isn’t impressive anywhere, unfortunately, even though he’s been rejected before, he’s the real leader of the party playing cameron like the Muppet he is

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    Big Dave Must GO NOW says:

    Isn’t saving the world enough? What ore do you want, blood?

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    Big Dave Must GO NOW says:

    How much will it cost to organise a referendum on Lisbon when it’s effectively dead in the water since the Irish rejected it and will probably do the same again?

    I thought most of the people on this site were against government waste and yo keep calling for it to waste money on a needless referendum – it’s a bit like bying petrol when you’ve got no car to put it in

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    Anonymous says:

    Everything Dave says and promises can be completely 100% relied upon. Just like Tony Blair. Ha ha ha.

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    Sheepdipper says:





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    Mrs Silvio says:

    Silvio. Wot r u up 2 now?

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    I love gold says:

    Gold ore, it doubles as a barter currency

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    Cruella Talli says:




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    Auntie Flo' says:

    The civil rights and liberties Cameron is proposing are way ahead of the international field.

    An American friend has told me of the following amendment setting out how Obama’s Democrats are proposing to shackle the people of the land of the free these days:

    “Amendment to prohibit organizations from attemping to influence legislation, organize or engage in protests,petitions boycotts or strikes and assist promote or deter union organization.”

    American Civil Liberties RIP if this goes through?

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    Chris says:

    never mind Dave, Hampshire tories havent changed…or learnt….

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    Auntie Flo' says:

    Corruption among MPs, corrupt pensions in the public sector – the whole political Aegean stables needs disinfecting from top to bottom.

    Please campaign to stop this disgusting corruption, Guido. Stop these elitist pensions.

    Force the public sector to repay the taxpayer too!

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    dave's dodgy says:

    You are Mick Jagger and I claim my 5 million pooooonds!

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    True Blue says:

    Yeah yeah and every time she starts acting a bit weird we can give her a bolt of ECT.
    Yeah, I think we’re onto a winner her Tory Boy.
    Let’s zap her!

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    Archie says:

    Well, well, well! I thought that I was the resident EEUrophobe hereabouts. I am much encouraged that others refuse to swallow this smarmy motherf***er’s worm-tongued calisthenics on THE greatest tripartite obfuscation de nos jours! Top marks, yet again, Guido and chums!

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