May 20th, 2009

Voters Should Be the Outside Regulator

No PublicNot a single voter had the opportunity to mandate Gordon Brown to be Prime Minister – his thugs even scared off internal party rivals – now the Prime Minister without a mandate wants a quango without a mandate, with placemen appointed by politicians.  Where do the voters and taxpayers come in to this equation?  We have been here before, the Commissioner for Standards was a political appointment to watch over the integrity and honesty of politicians.  When Elizabeth Filkin naively took her job seriously she was hounded out of office.  Not exactly a good precedent for “independent” regulation.

We need reforms that make politicians more directly and immediately accountable to voters.  Douglas Carswell is on the money, we want the power of voter recall for underperforming politicians, we need to be involved in the open selection of candidates before every election.   We need to empower voters, not the party machines.  Too many constituencies are the permanent property of lazy, sleazy politicians.  The worst expenses abusers were in the safest seats.


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  1. 1
    A concerned parishioner says:

    This boil will only be lanced by a General Election. There is such anger towards these clowns that i think the British population will not take anything less.
    Having heard Sir Michael ( I’m perfectly clear ) Lyons on Today I think the BBC may be next in line

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      It is about time that all BBC employee salaries and expenses were published.

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        Popeye says:

        It’s about time that all monies paid to any person receiving from the public purse was published.
        Keep up the good work Guido, none of my complaints are listened to, most not even answered.
        Complete and open exposure of all tax-payer funded payments.
        Decommission all quangos, because they are only there for the “great and the good” troughers.

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        Anonymous says:

        It is about time that all Local Councillors salaries and expenses were published.

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        What’s the point in any external group? Even if they find wrong-doing, and point it out, nothing will happen: Gordon Brown admits that Hazel Blears behaviour was “totally unacceptable”, but what has he actually done?

        This: All Brown has done is be rude about Blears.

        Big fucking deal. Why not sack her? Make her resign? Why not DO something, Gordon?

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      • 35

        Even worse. If MPs expenses are scrutinised and regulated by an independent qango then they will fall OUTSIDE the scope of Freedom of Information requests. This is just a wheeze to keep their expenses secret from the voters.

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        Bordeaux Binger says:

        Agree publish the lot. I received money from the public purse. Overnight accommodation and subsistence up £15.80 if accompanied by receipts. Mileage 22.5p per mile. Extra meal allowance if working over 12hrs £2.75 against receipt. Total of about £100 a year. Give the same basic Civil Service allowances to MPs.

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        Pedant says:

        Anonymous 8.32. They are. Get your facts straight.

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        Tony Blair says:

        I don’t know, but does what is happening now with the politicians play into the hands of Common Purpose?

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        Tony Blair says:

        I don’t know, but what is happening now with democracy i.e politicians being, rightly, hounded not play into the hands of Common Purpose?

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        Rt Hoon Gordon Broon MP says:

        To constantly furious.

        I’m. Getting. On. With. The. Job. YouTube. Wibble.

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        angry french john says:

        When the waste in Local councils, the bloody Euro gravy train, and ALL public sector theft is published and rectified I might just might start to have a bit of confidence

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        The Grim Reaper says:

        Absolutely totally agree.

        I have said it many times on this site. Go after the smirking chancer, President Elect of the EUSSR, Mr T Blair and uncover his secrets. Go after the BBC. They take the piss on a daily basis.

        They are the next scandal to be exposed. Investigative attack dogs will shock the public at the scale of abuse of public funding, bigotry & bias and sheer arrogance towards the mugs that pay the telly tax.

        On the day Humpreys insulted our next Prime Minister on the Left Wing Toady programme, the Conservatives have tabled a motion in the House calling for a freeze in the BBC’s Evil Empire poll tax. Not only does the Evil Empire – the last bastian of Left Wing privilege and expenses scams – want to charge for their rubbish iPlayer service but they claim the Conservative motion is an attack on the so called “independence of the BBC”.

        Yeah right.

        Really independent. That’s why they “interrogate” Conservatives and “interview” Labour or Lib Dems representatives.

        The independence – to fiddle expenses, go on poll tax funded jollies, pay morons huge fees for belonging the the lefty gentlepersons club, pay little known news presenters £93K for reading out loud, produce reams of leftish, greenmeanery, multiculti and anti conservative propaganda AND be fined repeatedly for abusing their Charter – that WE pay for!

        In 2009, no one should been forced to pay for something they do not want or a service they do not wish to use or in the case of Conservatives, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs and Christians – an organisation that neglects or villifies them.

        I hope that all Guido supporters are garnering facts & figures for the Conservative Party committee/think tank – that not only questions and puts to the sword the lie about BBC “independence” but starts building the case for the ending of the slush fund at Broadcasting House.

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      Tony Blair says:

      Yes, let’s get the parasites at the BBC… http://www.tpuc.org/stoppayingtvlicencefees

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        Mr Ned says:

        Why is our TV licence money going to a PRIVATE CORPORATION? Who else is troughing at OUR expense?

        TPUC.ORG, Excellent website.

        Also, it is FUNDAMENTALLY important that whichever office oversees the expenses in future has to take an Oath to the Queen.

        Love her or hate her, she is the only thing currently standing between this sovereign state (and OUR sovereign power) and a complete and total takeover by the EU, the end of Common Law and the removal of all our rights.

        Sure the EU is very keen on the convention of human rights, and this is a very good convention. But what happens when the takeover is complete? The EU is completely undemocratic and so they could abandon that convention at anytime without the people being able to do a damn thing about it.

        We NEED our Constitutional Sovereignty reinforced. not weakened. The MP’s have committed a Gross dereliction of Duty. The PEOPLE should be trusted with the power to examine expenses and recall ANY MP who is found to be taking the piss!

        We need the ability, not only to recall MP’s, but the power to recall an entire Government and FORCE a General election.

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      Greychatter says:

      Gordon Brown Must Go – the petition is now approaching 61,000.

      http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/please-go/

      The voters want an election Now another year of Labour will be a disaster for this country and for the Labour party in particular.

      Labour supporters should be signing this petition as well as everyone who believes in democracy. There will never be a better time to get rid of Gordon Brown.

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        Anonymous says:

        There could be 10 million on it, he would continue to hang on. He thinks he was born to lead this country. How delusional is that.
        No more mortgage payments for them, hotel rooms or government owned serviced apartments. If they want more than 1 house, pay for it themselves, we would have to. They must also be made to pay some contributions towards their pensions schemes. Everyone I know had to do it for MUCH less pensions than MP’s will be getting.

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        Mr Ned says:

        Mr Brown was asked again about calling a general election, he said: “Do you really want to see tomorrow, in the midst of a recession, while the Government is dealing with this, the chaos of an election?

        So that is how he views an election? What we have NOW is chaos, borne of his stubborn resistance to call an election to allow US to choose who we want to sort out his chaos. I am not sure if we will even get an election at all now, if that is his attitude. I mean, we are currently in a shitstorm of chaos at the moment, the Government has almost no legislative program at all, they have failed to implement the Bill of rights, or the massive house building program or most of the other things Brown Promised when he stole the keys to number 10.

        All he has given us is chaos and now he is using the ‘potential’ of chaos as an excuse to deny us an election??? ALL HE HAS GIVEN US IS CHAOS! Now, who is to say that there will be any less chaos over the next 12 months? what will happen then IF (and let’s face it, it is a pretty safe bet) there is STILL chaos in 12 months time? Will he be declaring an overt dictatorship? Invoking the Civil Contingencies Act? Putting NATO troops on the streets?

        Cameron ripped Brown a new arse in the commons today and he was right to do so.

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    • 101
      Peter says:

      I must say if our new political classless are ‘getting it’ at last, they have a darn funny way of articulating it.

      Just watched a Minister pay homage to ex-Speaker Martin, ‘who showed just what a person he was by his noble deeds for the sake of the country’, or some such horse manure.

      I don’t think his tongue was in his cheek.

      Which part of presiding over a decade of abuses, trying to cover everything up and clinging on by his fingertips until prized loose by his equally tush-concerned mate Gordon, all in trying to score one last, wafer-thin £130k, factored into this quaint notion?

      I also find this latest ‘gentleman’s club’ thing rather clever… for a politician of a certain hue, if not for any in theory objective media that go along with it.

      Beyond being merely interested in what the actual balance of ‘toffs’ across all parties might be, as I have found some sport in whispering in the ear of Aunty’s sisterhood, another might be to ask whether there are no female public schools (or at least that churn out anyone with a serious career), as this is the impression that seems to be created… with help from their male counterparts at almost every turn.

      And I have yet to have explained how ‘voting’ in the next overseer, albeit in ‘secret’, by the very clowns who have a vested interest in who oversees them, is something that the public needs not to be troubled with.

      Other than funding it, of course.

      Again.

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        Moley says:

        The worst feature is that Martin resigned now in order to ensure that a Parliament with a Labour majority picked the speaker for the next (probably Conservative) Government.

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        Anonymous says:

        “I don’t think his tongue was in his cheek.”

        Then whose cheeks WAS his tongue in?

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      Fausty says:

      Absolutely. What a load of guff he talked this morning. I dislike starting the morning with smoke coming out of my ears, but it gets my fingers working quickly!

      Talking about boils – my blood boils at the thought of McMental creating yet another QUANGO to regulate politicians. Who oversees the overseer? Why, McMental the unelected, of course.

      Guido, can you do a piece on this soon? I’ll do it too, but I, erm, don’t have your readership!

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      Minekiller says:

      It isn’t just Parliament that is corrupted but public life in the UK. the clean out of course must start at the top as it has slowly and grindingly begun, with Brown continually demonstrating that he still hasn’t really got the message about the level of public anger – and if actually he has grasped it, then his stupid responses (more quangos, committees and dead rain forests worth of meaningless whitewash reports) show he is clearly not the person to deal with it.
      His narrow Scottish Labour mafia tribalism will not allow him to rise above the party parapet and be the leader that is needed. Further, I don’t believe for a moment he has the intellect to deal with this crisis – never mind the other problems the UK has, Europe, Afghanistan, Economy, moral decay, failed education system, failing NHS and everything else. The response needed is a General Election. Pure and simple. We don’t need a new system for a speaker, just a decent new speaker -why assume that because Gorbals Mick trashed the dignity and integrity of the office, that someone else cannot restore it, why assume Mick is the standard?
      Why do we need to change the expenses system, rather then the MPs that abused it? Many MPs did not abuse it in the slightest – compare and contrast the Luton North and Luton South Labour MPs. It is not the system that needs exposed or changed it is the morally and ethically bankrupt people who abuse it. Changing the system will only provide such people with an excuse, they’ll be justified in their own eyes to blame ‘the system’. We need sackings, we need de-selections, resignations – we need new people who are prepared to serve their country and not their own interests- or purely their party interests, which is why also the Scottish Labour mafioso needs consigned to the darker pages of British history. We need people who understand decent behavior and can separate what is moral from what is wrong, simply ‘within the rules’ made more shameless by the fact they can make the rules themselves is wrong and it is immoral, yet our career politicians so many of them with law degrees, clearly only work strictly to the ‘rules’. (Durham university must be so proud to have alumni from their law school who tried using an argument based on ‘natural justice’ to defend a claim for a TV).
      So the clear out begins, European elections will send a message to Brown and Labour, the most morally bankrupt and corrupt cabal of people to have ever held power in this country – that their time and their philosophy is over. Then the BBC, the quangos and local government – all must be cleaned out and their integrity restored. Further more, we need out of Europe – at least the political structure which has corrupted ours.

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    Chris says:

    Gordon Brown has described cabinet minister Hazel Blears’ expenses claim as “totally unacceptable behaviour”. (19th may 2009).

    Hazel Blears savages Gordon Brown over ‘lamentable’ failures (3rd may 2009).

    Revenge is sweet! Her days are numbered. Could she go today?

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      Anonymous says:

      What about Darling because he is a trougher of the first order?

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        MisterE says:

        and Hoon, and Purnell, and McNulty, and Darling, and Smith, and………….

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        Dogger says:

        UDDERS! We’re coming for yer, love.

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        It's all Balls says:

        And the married double claimers (Balls) and the odd peer (Udin) and.. and..

        The sacking of Blears wouldn’t represent Brown cleaning out the stables, it would represent Brown’s busines as usual approach to his political enemies.

        General election please.

        Our voice must be heard. What mechanisms exist for us?

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        Totally Fucked Parliament says:

        And all the udders.

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        Curious Cat says:

        http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSPEK31412020090520

        Fiddling while Britain burns…………………..

        BEIJING, May 20 (Reuters) – In the latest advertisement of China’s currency ambitions, an official suggested on Wednesday that the yuan could make up more than 3 percent of global foreign exchange reserves by 2020.
        That would mean the yuan displacing the Japanese yen as the fourth-largest currency in reserve portfolios, behind the pound, the euro and the dollar……………oops

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      • 256
        Vishinsky says:

        Terrible Angsty Romance Drenched In Smut was a headline on another matter but it works so well for this one.

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        Robert Langdon says:

        Spell her name correctly

        snare dud bison

        is produced from Baroness Uddin

        whereas

        snares duo bin

        is what you get from the omission of a d

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    • 22

      Nah, she won’t go. As I say here, all Gordon has done is be rude about her.

      He hasn’t fired her, told her to resign or actually done anything at all, has he? As usual.

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        Chris says:

        His mentioning of her yesterday invites comments from the public and the press of such magnitude that she will either have to resign or he will have to sack her as a reponse to opinion. Job done.

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      • 162

        ALERT!

        Rumour has it that Hazel’s currently heading to her constituency, even though she’s due in the House this afternoon. Could it be that she’s decided to do what Gordon didn’t have the guts to?

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        Constantly fucked off by this boring cunt says:

        Fuck off you spamming parasite

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      Peter Hurley says:

      Has Hazel Blears successfully deceived us all?

      After watching her recent public cheque-waving gesture, where she stated she was paying the “Inland Revenue” £13,332 in Capital Gains Tax – even though she was not liable – I contacted my local HMRC Capital Gains Tax Specialist to ask how such a non-liable payment would be processed, if I made one.

      I was told – after being queried why I would do such a thing – that a payment made against a non-existent liability would simply be credited to my personal tax account, and be offset against any future tax liability.

      In other words Ms Blears £13,332 “payment” (and is there any evidence such a payment was actually made?) is simply an advance payment of her future income tax – which she would have had to pay anyway – and is not a Capital Gains Tax payment at all!

      Thus, the public will have been deceived into thinking SHE has paid the tax, and is £13,332 out of pocket, when – in reality – she will be no worse off and it is the public who have lost out!

      I think such a seeming deceit should be brought to the attention of the public.

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        Rick the Roman says:

        And, I think, the credit balance would attract interest at rates in excess of the pathetic ones on the High Street. I do this with my Corporation Tax – a good wheeze to get money out of the Government. A win-win for Hazel!!

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        Aikenheed says:

        Brilliant – That about sums up the whole double dealing, hypocritical lot of them
        Can I copy this to everyone I know

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        Peter Hurley says:

        Aikenheed, copy it to whomever you wish. This question needs answering!

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        Vishinsky says:

        £13 000+ “pre” payment in other words as picked up by order-orderists but not by journalists.

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      Aristotle says:

      Is this where Blears is going ?

      One way ??

      High hopes for British astronaut
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8058601.stm

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        To my shame, I once voted Labour. says:

        If they do, they might have to dust off one of the old space suits that they used for shooting marmosets into space.

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        Anonymous says:

        Gordon Brown is afraid of hazel Blears, I don’t know why, Could she have something on him ? Not likely with his particular persuasion.

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        barefootcontessa says:

        Above observation by Barefootcontessa

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      barefootcontessa says:

      HAIR UPDATE – Hazel has renewed her love affair with HENNA, and the ‘lovely’ Ben B
      has had some of the casual wind-swept Rupert Brooke effect removed to reveal the sun-kissed highlights of – shall we say, a particular aspect of the mamby pamby ‘I’m so gorgeous you know ‘ministry of NEWLABOUR.

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    Michael de Anjou says:

    Financial services had self regulation and then statutory regulation under the FSA. On balance the arrival of the FSA would seem to be the moment it all started going wrong. As for Parliament it needs to get its powers back and have them exercised by quality people. It has been interesting to learn in recent weeks how it is now just a puppet of the Executive. I for one, think that another quango-style regulator is not the way forward.

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      Papasmurf says:

      I think you are right. We are pre occupied by this scandal. Rightly so, as the politicians need to know they are in parliament at the voters behest not as a right because they are in a safe seat.

      With £220 billion being borrowed this year alone it is incredible that we are not concerned with replacing these Hoons with capable people who can hold the current government to account. That is where the truely awful troughing is.

      A general election is the only answer to cull the hoons, McDoom being the biggest and most culpable of them all. We all need reminding of the catalogue of disasters McDoom has been a party to or actually responsible for.

      He leads a corrupt cabinet that placed the Green Book Rules in place to keep the troughers happy.

      Carswell for Speaker. Youthful energy with ideolgical thinking. Speaker to have a fixed term though.

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        horrorfan24 says:

        I totally agree a general election is called for, but what I’ve said a number of times on here, is that we wont get an early general election, unless we make the government take notice of us, and the best way to do that is by having a general strike.

        How many more times do I have to say it, these greedy politicians wont take a blind bit of notice about what the public wants, unless you do something which stops the flow of the country. You have to force their hand, or you get nothing, direct and sustained action is the only thing these self serving, pig headed bastards understand.

        Whilst we are all moaning and blogging about how awful this is, and how we all want a general election now, the government will keep on giving out hollow platitudes about how sorry it is, and how they are making changes. Gordon Brown will keep on insisting, as he did yesterday at the afternoon press conference when asked about an early general election, that people are confusing the issue, it’s not about a change in government, it’s about a change in parliament.

        He will keep deflecting the issue of an early GE until Britain as a whole gets rid of it’s bloody apathy and learns to take action. Action, which involves stopping the country from working, action which involves more than just ranting and moaning.

        I’m willing to take bets right now, that without marches on parliament or a general strike, we will just get more of the same, and we wont get an early general election.

        For Christ sake people, the speaker has just resigned, now as I understand it once that happens it should signal an immediate GE, but Brown said yesterday he’s not going to call one. As I’ve said in other posts; politicians will be happy for us to rant and moan all day long, as long as we don’t challenge them directly. They must be rubbing their hands with glee, seeing us all venting spleen on these boards and on TV and radio, as long as we don’t do anything which stops the country from running smoothly.

        It’s your choice people, if you want an early GE, get off your backsides and bring the country to a standstill and make these greedy bastards realise that unless we get exactly what we want, then we ain’t doing anymore work. It’s eaither that, or stop moaning and simply put up with it until next year. It’s a very very simple choice.

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    • 258
      Lola says:

      I run an FS regulated business. Let me be very clear indeed the FSMA 2000 under which Brown’s Bonkers Regulation system was established is entirely flawed. The FSA is an out of control quango, sorry an out of control FAILED quango, now resorting to coercion to justify its continued existence. Like all quangos it suffers from endemic producer capture. There is no point arguing about how much it should regulate as that is arguing for its continued existence. The argument should be whether it and it co-Stasis the FOS and FSCS, should exist at all.

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      Mr Ned says:

      Totally agree. We demand an election to get in new, better, honest people who will uphold their oath of office, what do we get? The same old tired and corrupt and incompetent MP’s dumping their duties altogether and farming them out to yet another unaccountable QUANGO and taking OUR constitutional sovereignty with it!

      THIS IS A COUP AGAINST THE CROWN BY STEALTH!

      The MPs just do not get it!

      We need an election NOW!

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    Cross Party Consesus says:

    We are sorry for the technical hitch
    Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible

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    Pete-s says:

    Look on the BBC website site to see the letter from Elizabeth Filkin to the soon to be gone disgraced Speaker. This shows how much he wanted close scrutiny of Parliament But did this dunderhead do this this on his own initiative, I don’t think so, the totally corrupt dead hand of ZaNUlab Bliar/BROWN must be there.

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    Only a new parliament can bring in such reforms. This one is too discredited and too close to its end to be able to do anything. The only immediately available MPs recall and parliament renewal system available is an immediate general election.

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      Martin in Essex says:

      This is like asking Fred the Shred to regulate the banks – a total joke.

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      Totally Fucked Parliament says:

      This is a fucking joke. Election now.

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        Nothing funny about the voters giving their verdict on the unelected prime minister. Nearly there, one more scandal. Mills and the mortgages and the $600,000 are looking good.

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      Rejoice says:

      Lord Ashcroft’s 100 Conservative MPs are awaiting their call to arms.
      This is a British Revolution and the time is near.
      Rejoice.

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      Ali Stewart says:

      Disagree- An emotional negative vote now would lead to a horribly hung Parliament – no overall majority and therefore very little power to do anything useful, never mind radical, if the polls are right.

      It will take all of the coming year for credible alternatives to the worst troughers to establish their campaigns and credentials, and for the electorate to assess them; particularly true of independents. I hope there are many.

      The current momentum will uncover a lot more dirt and perhaps a few more heroes. We should make an informed decision on all the available facts. Unless DC wins big we have no hope of a proper purge, down through central, local, Govn’t and most important the Quangocracy.

      No guarantees, even in that scenario, that the people will have what they want this time round, but we desparately need strong Govn’t to meet the political and economic challenges we face.

      I appreciate that another year of this shower is an awful prospect, but some alternatives are actually worse. Hopefully the new atmosphere will embolden DC- he can start to shape and articulate the difficult policies required, on the economy and on Europe. A couple of weeks ago realism would have been political suicide. Things have changed.

      Reallistically troughgate is already fixed; the telegraph did that 2 weeks ago. nothing wrong with the rules, read the underlying principles of the Green Book which ARE PART OF THE RULES. So far DC has played the circumstances well. He now needs to keep on the pressure. And to listen to the policies of the minority parties which are striking loud chords in the Country

      Once these last few weeks hysteria subsides to a manageable level, we will all reluctantly have to turn back to the difficult issues. Even if Brown can hang on for the full term, I am certain that the voters will neither forget nor forgive when they have the opportunity to have their say.

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        Titan Uranus says:

        The rules are not the law though

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      • 279

        ‘An emotionally negative vote’ ? That’ll do. Any kind of vote. Brown’s only acquaintance with emotional understanding is either rage or obamian psychofancy. Not liking Brown and all he has brought down on us is emotionally negative. Sorry. Let’s vote.

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        Mr Ned says:

        Agreed, the anger and fury needs to be controlled and positively channelled into campaigns to see this reform through. We need to get rid of quangos and any office that is not held under oath. We need to RESTORE Parliament to the shining beacon of Democracy that it should be, to uphold the highest of standards.

        That cannot happen without a diligent campaign whereby decent, honest law abiding people can get some traction in their campaigns.

        We do need an election soon though, I would have though that in 4 – 6 months would be sufficient. Soon enough that people will not have forgotten this fury, but far enough out to get campaigns going and gain traction.

        We MUST save our democracy and our Sovereignty which has been so badly abused by both leading parties for decades. It has been decades since they served US, and by their latest act of treason, prove that they are STILL not serving US! They serve the “third sector” the unaccountable quangocracy, the secret shadow organisations that do NOT operate under oath, or pledge to serve US.

        We are witnessing people finally waking up to the coup by stealth that this current House of Commons is STILL participating in.

        We MUST take OUR country BACK into OUR control!

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    Typical Gordon McStalin statist response – set up a Common Purpose controlled QUANGO.

    What are they going to call it? OFTrough?

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    Steve says:

    Why don’t we form a committee of the public every few months, chosen from the Jury Duty list, therefore not people who would volunteer for such a role?

    Instead of a couple of weeks in court, you get a couple of weeks telling the MPs how they can and can’t spend OUR money.

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      Frank says:

      You can’t trust the public old chap

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        Steve says:

        I can trust the public somewhat more than I feel I can trust most MPs at the moment – we have seen wel enough over the last two weeks, the results of allowing them to set their own rules…

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    • 59
      Frank says:

      You can’t trust the public, old chap

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    parish councillor says:

    Asking the thieves to correct their own wrongdoings is mistaken. Holding a general election now will not evict or displace many MP’s despite the general public’s belief that it might.

    Sackings, deselections, evictions, exiles need to to take place first. When the purge is copleted, then and only then , should a GE be held.

    Ridding ourselves of Martin is the start, now we must remove the crooks. How can anyone be serious about Haslehurst becoming Speaker at 4/1 when he has troughed £142k defies logic.

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      Talwin says:

      PC. No point in picking on Haselhurst at £142k. I’ve just spent a totally unscientific 30 seconds glancing at Guido’s list of MPs’ expenses from a couple of weeks back(you can also get it on theyworkforyou). £130/140/150k is the norm.

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    Sir Reginald Titbrain says:

    There is no need for outside regulation. A set of published rules and published accounts will do the trick. They will be watched as if by hawks.

    Outside regulation is a device to get them off the hook…. It was so complicated the poor dears got muddled and made mistakes. Now we have installed a Nanny everything will be all right, and the MP’s can concentrate on doing their excellent work…..

    I’m just waiting for the compensatory pay rise to be introduced.

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    Anonymous says:

    Hear Hear!

    If the MP’s were of moral fibre we wouldn’t be in this position would we?

    An independent yearly audit? No problems with that.

    More f***ing waffle as usual!

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    Taxfodder says:

    List unashamedly lifted from the Telegraph the list of those MP’sunder investigation. so far’

    Don’t concern yourself I am also making a list of those who voted in Parliament against expenses transparency, and cross checking it with the following list.

    I bet you can guess my findings so far…..SPOT YOUR MP!

    There are only a few bad rotten apples MP’s keep spinning….

    Here are those that made the rules so they could abuse them at your expense.

    Gerry Adams and four other Sinn Fein MPs claimed more than £500,000 over five years even though they refuse to attend Parliament

    Adam Afriyle has not made any claims on his second home allowance

    Douglas Alexander spent more than £30,000 doing up his constituency home – which then suffered damage in a house fire.

    Michael Ancram put the cost of having his swimming pool boiler serviced on his parliamentary allowances. He has agreed to repay the money

    James Arbuthnot claimed from the public finances for cleaning his swimming pool at a country residence. He has agreed to repay the money

    Hilary Armstrong was told that allowing the Labour Party to pay for and run a computer at her taxpayer-funded home could make her “politically vulnerable”

    Ian Austin split a claim for stamp duty on buying his second home in London into two payments and tried to claim it back over two financial years.

    John Austin claimed more than £10,000 for redecorating his London flat, which was 11 miles from his main home, before selling it for a profit.

    Vera Baird claimed the cost of Christmas tree decorations

    Ed Balls and wife Yvette Cooper “flipped” the designation of their second home to three different properties within two years

    Norman Baker asked if he could claim for a bicycle and a computer so he could listen to music and email family and friends

    Greg Barker made a £320,000 profit selling a flat the taxpayer had helped pay for. He has agreed to repay £10,000.

    Margaret Beckett made a £600 claim for hanging baskets and pot plants

    Hilary Benn claimed only £42,113 on his second homes allowance in four years

    Richard Benyon did not claim on his second homes allowance in 2007/08

    Liz Blackman went on last-minute shopping sprees before the end of each financial year, in an apparent attempt to make sure she claimed as close to maximum expenses as possible

    Tony Blair re-mortgaged his constituency home and claimed almost a third of the interest around the time he was buying another property in London

    Hazel Blears did not pay capital gains tax on a property she sold despite having told the Commons authorities it was her second home. She has since agreed to paid the tax but denied any wrongdoing.

    Crispin Blunt told to stop claiming Commons allowance on his home because his children live there

    Tim Boswell claimed only £22,230 on his second homes allowance between 2004 and 2008

    Ben Bradshaw used his allowance to pay the mortgage interest on a flat he owned jointly with his boyfriend

    Tom Brake did not claim on his second home allowance between 2004-8

    Kevin Brennan had a £450 television delivered to his family home in Cardiff even though he reclaimed the money back on his London second home allowance

    James Brokenshire claimed just £368 on his second homes allowance in 2007/8 and nothing in the preceding three years

    Gordon Brown’s house swap let the PM claim thousands

    Nick Brown claimed £18,800, without receipts, in expenses for food over four years amid total expenses of £87,000

    Chris Bryant changed second home twice in two years to claim £20,000

    Andy Burnham had an eight-month battle with the fees office after making a single expenses claim for more than £16,500

    Alistair Burt claimed £1,000 too much in expenses for his rent, but was allowed to keep the money.

    Dawn Butler, the Labour whip, over-claimed £2,600 in rent on her constituency home.

    Stephen Byers claimed more than £125,000 for repairs and maintenance at a London flat owned outright by his partner, where he lives rent-free

    Vince Cable forgoes the second home allowance, but asked whether he could claim backdated payments of the London supplement instead

    David Cameron limited his claims to mortgage interest payments and utility bills. He will repay the only maintenance bill he claimed – £600 for the removal of wisteria

    Menzies Campbell hired a top interior designer to refurbish his small flat in central London at taxpayers’ expense. He will repay the £1,490.66 cost of an interior designer

    Ronnie Campbell claimed a total of £87,729 for furniture for his London flat

    Ben Chapman deliberately over-claimed for interest on the mortgage of his London house by about £15,000 with the approval of the fees office, documents seen by the Telegraph suggest. He is facing possible suspension from the PLP

    David Chaytor admits claiming almost £13,000 in interest payments for a mortgage that he had already repaid. He has been suspended from the Parliamentary Labour Party

    James Clappison owns 24 houses but billed more than £100,000, including thousands for gardening and redecoration

    Kenneth Clarke managed to avoid paying the full rate of council tax on either of his two homes by effectively claiming that neither is his main residence. He has agreed to pay the full rate in future but defended his past behaviour.

    Nick Clegg claimed the maximum allowed under his parliamentary second home allowance

    David Clelland claimed for the cost of “buying out” his partner’s £45,000 stake in his London flat

    Geoffrey Clifton-Brown “flipped” his second home designation from London to his Gloucestershire home, before buying a £2,750,000 house.

    Harry Cohen claimed thousands of pounds for redecorating his second home before selling it and charging taxpayers £12,000 in stamp duty and fees on a new property

    Michael Connarty sold some of the contents of his London home to Jim Devine, a close colleague, before charging the taxpayer thousands of pounds for goods delivered to addresses in Scotland.

    Yvette Cooper and husband Ed Balls “flipped” the designation of their second home to three different properties within two years

    Stephen Crabb claimed his “main home” was a room in another MP’s flat, after buying a new house for his family at taxpayers’ expense

    Tam Dalyell attempted to claim £18,000 for bookcases two months before he retired as an MP

    Alistair Darling’s stamp duty was paid by the public

    David Davis spent more than £10,000 of taxpayers’ money on home improvements in four years, including a new £5,700 portico at his home in Yorkshire.

    Ed Davey did not claim on his second home allowance between 2004-8

    Jim Devine bought Michael Connarty’s furniture on expenses

    Pat Doherty and four other Sinn Fein MPs claimed more than £500,000 over five years even though the Sinn Fein MPs refuse to attend Parliament

    Alan Duncan spent thousands from his allowance on gardening, including repairs to his lawnmower. He has agreed to repay £5,000

    Philip Dunne has not made any claims on his second home allowance since 2005/06

    Maria Eagle claimed thousands of pounds on refurbishing a bathroom at one of her flats just months before switching her designated second home to a property with a higher mortgage

    Lynne Featherstone did not claim on her second homes allowance in between 2004 and 2008

    Frank Field claimed just £44,338 on his second home allowance between 2004-8

    Caroline Flint claimed £14,000 for fees for new flat

    Barbara Follett used £25,000 of taxpayers’ money to pay for private security patrols at her home

    Andrew George used parliamentary expenses for a London flat used by his student daughter. He also claimed hundreds of pounds for hotel stays with his wife. He has said he will repay £20 for a hotel breakfast

    Michelle Gildernew and four other Sinn Fein MPs claimed more than £500,000 over five years even though the Sinn Fein MPs refuse to attend Parliament

    Cheryl Gillan bought dog food using her allowance but agreed to pay it back after being contacted by the Telegraph

    Julia Goldsworthy spent thousands of pounds on expensive furniture just days before the deadline for using up parliamentary allowances. She has promised to pay back £1,005 for a leather rocking chair

    Helen Goodman claimed for a week’s stay in a cottage in her constituency over a bank holiday

    Michael Gove spent thousands on his London home before “flipping” his Commons allowance to another address. He has agreed to repay £7,000

    Chris Grayling claimed for a London flat even though his constituency home is only 17 miles from the House of Commons. He has agreed to stop doing so

    James Gray successfully claimed £2,000 for the future redecoration of his “second home” on the day that he moved out.

    John Gummer’s gardening, including the removal of moles from his lawn, cost the taxpayer £9,000

    Mike Hall claimed thousands of pounds in expenses for the cost of cleaners, cleaning products and laundry bills for his London home

    Fabian Hamilton declared his mother’s London house as his main residence while over-charging the taxpayer by thousands of pounds for a mortgage on his family home in Leeds

    Nick Harvey had to be reminded twice by parliamentary officials to submit receipts with his expenses claims

    Alan Haselhurst charged the taxpayer almost £12,000 for gardening bills at his farmhouse in Essex, his expenses claims show.

    David Heathcoat-Amory’s gardener used hundreds of sacks of horse manure and the MP submitted the receipts to Parliament

    Nick Herbert charged taxpayers more than £10,000 for stamp duty and fees when he and his partner bought a home together in his constituency

    Douglas Hogg included with his expenses claims the cost of having the moat cleared, piano tuned and stable lights fixed at his country manor house. He has agreed to repay £2,200 for the moat clearing

    Geoff Hoon established a property empire worth £1.7 million after claiming taxpayer-funded expenses for at least two properties

    Phil Hope spent more than £10,000 in one year refurbishing a small London flat. He has promised to pay back £41,000 to the taxpayer

    Kelvin Hopkins claims just a fraction of the available second-home allowance by taking the train to Westminster from his home town

    David Howarth has not made any claims on his second home allowance since 2004/05

    Chris Huhne regularly submits receipts for bus tickets and groceries including pints of milk, fluffy dusters, lavatory rolls and chocolate HobNobs. He has promised to pay back £119 for a trouser press

    Glenda Jackson did not claim on her second homes allowance between 2004 and 2008

    Stewart Jackson claimed more than £66,000 for his family home, including hundreds of pounds on refurbishing his swimming pool. He has agreed to repay the costs associated with his pool

    Alan Johnson claimed just £43,596 for his second home in 2004-8

    Diana Johnson claimed nearly £1,000 to cover the cost of hiring an architect for a decorating project at her second home

    Helen Jones claimed £87,647 in second home allowances for her London flat between 2004 and 2008

    Gerald Kaufman charged the taxpayer £1,851 for a rug he imported from a New York antiques centre and tried to claim £8,865 for a television

    Alan and Ann Keen claimed almost £40,000 a year on a central London flat although their family home was less than 10 miles away

    Ruth Kelly has claimed more than £31,000 to redecorate and furnish her designated second home in the past five years

    Fraser Kemp made repeat purchases of household items over the space of several weeks.

    Julie Kirkbride’s husband Andrew Mackay resigned as David Cameron’s aide after it emerged that the two MPs were making claims that meant they effectively had no main home but two second homes, both funded with public money.

    Greg Knight, an MP with a collection of classic cars, claimed £2,600 in expenses for repair work on the driveway at his designated second home

    Susan Kramer did not claim on her second home allowance between 2004-8

    Andrew Lansley spent more than £4,000 of taxpayers’ money renovating his country home months before he sold it. He will repay £2,600 of decorating fees

    Oliver Letwin repaired a pipe beneath his tennis court using taxpayers’ money. He has agreed to repay the money

    Julian Lewis attempted to claim £6,000 in expenses for a wooden floor at his second home

    Ian Lucas made £45,000 profit when he sold a London flat on which he had claimed second home expenses

    Lord Mandelson faces questions over the timing of his house claim which came after he had announced he would step down

    Andrew Mackay resigned as David Cameron’s aide after it emerged that he and his wife Julie Kirkbride were making claims that meant they effectively had no main home but two second homes, both funded with public money.

    David Maclean spent thousands of pounds of taxpayers’ money renovating a farmhouse before selling it for £750,000.

    Angus MacNeil, the MP whose police complaint triggered the cash-for-peerages inquiry, tried to charge the taxpayer for his drinks bills, a chocolate bar and hundreds of pounds of “petty cash”.

    Fiona MacTaggart claimed just £3,392 on her second homes allowance in 2007/08

    Shahid Malik claimed £66,000 on his second property while paying less than £100 a week for his main house. He has resigned as justice minister pending an investigation

    Bob Marshall-Andrews claimed £118,000 for expenses at his second home, including stereo equipment, extensive redecoration and a pair of Kenyan carpets.

    John Maples declared a private members’ club as his main home to the parliamentary authorities. He claimed the maximum second home allowance on his family house while apparently not having a “main” property to maintain

    Rob Marris claimed just £11,973 on his second homes allowance in 2007/08

    Gordon Marsdon claimed just £9,739 on his second homes allowance in 2007/08

    Michael Martin used taxpayers’ money to pay for chauffeur-driven cars to his local job centre and Celtic’s football ground

    Francis Maude claimed almost £35,000 in two years for mortgage interest payments on a London flat when he owned a house just a few hundred yards away. He has agreed to stop claiming for a second home

    Theresa May claimed just £4,288 on her second home allowance in 2007/08

    Tommy McAvoy claimed £86,565 in second home allowances between 2004 and 2008 for his flat in Westminster

    Steve McCabe over-claimed on his mortgage by £4,059 during the course of two years

    Ian McCartney spent £16,000 furnishing and decorating his designated second home but paid the money back two years later

    Martin McGuinness and four other Sinn Fein MPs claimed more than £500,000 over five years even though the Sinn Fein MPs refuse to attend Parliament

    Patrick McLoughlin, the senior MP asked by David Cameron to scrutinise Tory expenses, claimed £3,000 for new windows at his second home.

    Michael Meacher claimed just £32,825 on his second homes allowance between 2004-8

    David Miliband’s spending was queried by his gardener

    Ed Miliband claimed just £7,670 on his second home allowance in 2007/08

    Ann Milton did not make any claims on her second home allowance in 2007/08

    Austin Mitchell claimed for security shutters, ginger crinkle biscuits and the cost of reupholstering his sofa. He has offered to donate his old sofa coverings to make amends

    Madeleine Moon spent thousands in furniture shops near her Welsh constituency house and claimed the money back on her London designated second home allowance

    Margaret Moran switched the address of her second home, allowing her to claim £22,500 to fix a dry rot problem. She has agreed to repay the money while insisting she acted within the rules. She could face an investigation for allegedly using Commons stationery to keep neighbours away from her fourth property in Spain. She also billed the taxpayer for nearly £4,000 in legal fees in settling a dispute with one of her staff and faces a challenge at the next general election from Esther Rantzen .

    Elliot Morley claimed parliamentary expenses of more than £16,000 for a mortgage which had already been paid off

    George Mudie claimed £62,000 in expenses for his London flat in four years, while having a mortgage of just £26,000.

    Conor Murphy and four other Sinn Fein MPs claimed more than £500,000 over five years even though the Sinn Fein MPs refuse to attend Parliament

    Paul Murphy had a new plumbing system installed at taxpayers’ expense because the water in the old one was “too hot”

    Lembit Opik had to pay £2,499 for a 42-inch plasma television after purchasing it while Parliament was dissolved

    George Osborne was rebuked by the Commons authorities for using public money to fund his “political” website. He also claimed money for a chauffeur-driven car which he has agreed to repay

    John Prescott claimed for two lavatory seats in two years

    John Redwood has admitted being paid twice after submitting an identical £3,000 decorating bill on his second home allowance

    Alan Reid claimed more than £1,500 on his parliamentary expenses for staying in hotels and bed-and-breakfasts near his home

    John Reid used his allowance to pay for slotted spoons, an ironing board and a glittery loo seat

    Angus Robertson successfully appealed to the fees office when they turned down his claim for a £400 home cinema system

    Geoffrey Robinson has not made any claims on his second home allowance since 2004/05

    Peter and Iris Robinson both claimed expenses based on the same £1,223 bill when they submitted their parliamentary claims in 2007

    David Ruffley claimed for new furniture and fittings after “flipping” his second home from London to a new flat in his constituency

    Joan Ryan spent thousands of pounds on repairs and decorations at her constituency home before switching her designated second home to a London property

    Alex Salmond claimed £400 per month for food when the Commons was not even sitting

    Martin Salter has not made any claims on his second home allowance since 2004/05

    Grant Shapps claimed just £7,269 on his second homes allowance in 2007/08

    Clare Short claimed thousands of pounds of taxpayers’ money to which she was not entitled within months of standing down as a Cabinet minister

    Michael Spicer claimed for work on his helipad and received thousands of pounds for gardening bills.

    Anthony Steen claimed £87,000 on country mansion with 500 trees

    Jack Straw only paid half the amount of council tax that he claimed on his parliamentary allowances over four years but later rectified the over-claim

    Robert Syms claimed more than £2,000 worth of furniture on expenses for his designated second home in London, but had it all delivered to his parents’ address in Wiltshire

    Sarah Teather did not claim on her second homes allowance between 2004 and 2008

    Don Touhig spent thousands of pounds redecorating his constituency home before “flipping” his allowance to a flat in London

    Kitty Ussher asked the Commons authorities to fund extensive refurbishment of her Victorian family home

    Ed Vaizey had £2,000 worth of furniture delivered to his London home when he was claiming his Commons allowance on a second home in Oxfordshire.

    Keith Vaz claimed £75,500 for a second flat near Parliament even though he already lived just 12 miles from Westminster

    Theresa Villiers claimed almost £16,000 in stamp duty and professional fees on expenses when she bought a London flat, even though she already had a house in the capital. She has agreed to stop claiming the second home allowance

    Claire Ward, the MP responsible for keeping the Queen informed about Parliament, submitted monthly expense claims for hundreds of pounds of “petty cash” while claiming maximum allowances

    Tom Watson and Iain Wright spent £100,000 of taxpayers’ money on the London flat they once shared

    Steve Webb sold his London flat and bought another nearby, while the taxpayer picked up an £8,400 bill for stamp duty

    Shaun Woodward received £100,000 to help pay mortgage

    David Willetts, the Conservatives’ choice for skills minister, needed help changing light bulbs. He has agreed to repay the bill

    Alan Williams claimed just £5,221 on his second homes allowance in 2007/08

    Phil Willis spent thousands of pounds of public funds on mortgage interest payments, redecoration and furnishings for a flat where his daughter now lives.

    David Winnick claimed just £36,354 on his second homes allowance between 2004-8

    Sir Nicholas Winterton and his wife Ann claimed more than £80,000 for a London flat owned by a trust controlled by their children

    Ann Widdecombe claimed just £858 on her second home allowance in 2007/08

    Rob Wilson did not claim on his second homes allowance between 2004 and 2008

    Phil Woolas submitted receipts including comics, nappies and women’s clothing as part of his claims for food

    Iain Wright and Tom Watson spent £100,000 of taxpayers’ money on the London flat they once shared

    Derek Wyatt billed 75p for scotch eggs

    Richard Younger-Ross spent £1,235 on four mirrors and bought ‘Don Juan’ bookcase

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    strapworld says:

    Hazel Blears could strike a blow for Democracy today.

    IF she was to resign she would be able to make a resignation statement in the House. She could open up the heart of government bringing Brown and this discredited Government down.

    Has she the guts? I believe she has. She cannot wait to be sacked, as she will be, she must act now!

    Perhaps Guido, were you to start a BLEARS PLEASE RESIGN blog, that might work!

    I am quite serious. She could explain her misdemeanours, apologise and hope her electorate forgive her, but put the onus of the abuse on the shoulders of Brown. He will have to sit and listen and fume!!!

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      Agent 99 says:

      Brown on GMTV this morning an utter disgrace.

      Now GMTV spinning like mad saying he new nothing, he was appalled as his daddy would have been and quote there would be no more ‘moats and manure’ notice no mention of labour mp’s there.

      He said it was only in the last few weeks he knew about any troughing and then said he would sack troughing MP’s then refused to sack his cabinet and particulalrly stated Blears was bang out of order but did not break the rules but paid the money back anyway.

      Stated he was the only party leader taking action. Brown is bonkers as Cameron did this last week plus all the ideas to clean up their act Brown nopw basically claiming they are his ideas. Brown is bonkers mental and he expects people to believe him!!!!!!

      Got in the tractor stats as well Hoon!

      WTF?????? GMTV bought all this and reports it as fact. Please add GMTV to the same list the BBC is on

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      • 149
        Unsworth says:

        @ 60

        Exactly. Where has Brown been all these years? Has he been an MP for only a couple of weeks? And he hasn’t been aware of any of this – despite making his own claims, despite his position, despite his closeness to Martin?

        You fucking bet!

        The man’s a charlatan, a complete poseur, a master of self-deception. This country is being led by a delusional dictator. He is probably the greatest danger which we have faced since 1939.

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    • 61
      You'll be lucky says:

      Has she the guts? I believe she has.

      I don’t. She’s never done anything remotely brave in her life. A nu-lab zombie of the worst sort. Even in disgrace she’ll keep on parroting the party line.

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    • 69
      jgm2 says:

      Isn’t Blears the one who got taken to pieces by that Montbiot bloke. The courage to say ‘yes’? Wasn’t that the soundbite?

      Hazel Blears hasn’t an original thought in her skull. She agrees with the last (Labour) Prime Minister who spoke. If she does get presented with a P45 she’ll simply say ‘Thank you very much, that’ll do nicely and would you like to feel my tits’.

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    • 153
      Can't Kukri, Won't Kukri says:

      “BLEARS PLEASE RESIGN”?? How about “Fuck off to Holloway you troughing criminal fucking sow”? More of a lilt, yes?

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      It doesn't add up... says:

      She’ll become the Member for BBC Salford if she stays, won’t she?

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        It’s a farce. The troughers are stealing from the taxpayers in general, but their local parties will probably endorse most of them, so they’ll be back in the next Parliament, looking for higher salaries and less disclosure of any remaining expenses.

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    Willie says:

    If we cannot trust MPs to police themselves how can we possibly trust them to make law? Should we have a quango to propose laws for MPs to vote on or, even better, why have them at all if an independent body is thus empowered?
    Yet another poorly thought through idea. The system as currently configured can work well providing that the Speaker is effective and MPs troughing is exposed. Honesty efficiency and the clarity of expense claiming is all that is needed. The current idea is only aimed at deflecting the call for the heads of MPs caught with their hands in the till. Sacking them in short order would be a far more effective way of restoring Parliament’s reputation.
    Embarrasment and shame are powerful motivators to most people. Gordon could win quite of a lot of support back if he did this but he is indecisive and scared of having an election forced on him…

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    • 96
      Anonymous says:

      We can’t trust them to make our laws, that’s why we have the EU, perhaps?

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      Who wants to restore the reputation of Parliament? Only the public. The troughing will continue, perhaps more discreetly. Blair and Brown and their cronies have deliberately degraded Parliament and all public offices, filling them with filth. We need a Hercules to cleanse this Augean stable, but we’ve only got Clone-of-Blair.

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    What if its a mega-safe seat and the local party are full of their mates. (As they will be quite often if they’re a local MP who’s known all the local activists for decades).

    Already happening in Luton. Likely to happen in the shires.

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    • 53
      proof reader says:

      Answer to your question – open primaries.

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    • 85
      Augeas says:

      They should find that it won’t be a mega-safe seat any more. I don’t think the public is in any mood for tribalism when it means defending crooks. (Unlike Toenails, Shite, Master Baiter and co)

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      THE 3 R`s says:

      EXACTLY THE SITUATIN IN BROMSGROVE. CAMERON IS WRONG, she`s a fraudster just get rid of her.

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    A Pensioner says:

    There is only one way with snotty. Keep hammering away until he finally cracks. Its no good for him to resign or be voted out and end up in the house of Lords. Its gone to far. He (and Blair and Balls et al) needs to be totally destroyed in a way that will mark the cards for generations to come. This is becoming a people’s revolution, and lets not half disinfect the flock and leave the virus active.

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    Centre Parting says:

    Hilary Benn on Sky saying that Gorbals should get peerage and huge pension.
    I thought his genetic makeup was supposed to be against these rewards for failure.

    He can’t get real on issues – deselection wouldn’t be good enough for him – as he has never had a proper job and is a shining example of nepotism – typical Zanuliebour.

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    • 50
      Anonymous says:

      Hilary Ben was pathetic. Trying to make out that MM was like some sort of battered mother or the victim of street crime.

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      • 64
        Anonymous says:

        According to the Mail, MM refused to shake Cameron’s hand after he resigned.

        Impartial? Shurely not!

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    • 87
      Bad Magic says:

      I heard something similar on the radio, BBC Scotland I think, about how he wasn’t targeted for any wrong-doing (by Jove, he’s a saint!) but because of his class. Wait… what? The Speaker is arguably the worst of the bunch and, with a straight face, the talking heads try to pour down on us this terrible propaganda piece of Oliver Twist brought down for daring to have the nerve to request scraps. What utter crap, they are not even proffering plausible lies any more; its obvious to anyone that this bloated cretin was nothing more than a crook and an utterly incompetent one at that.

      How anyone could believe that the very worst punishment is to resign ‘with dignity’ and a pension larger than the average lifetime earnings of many will alleviate the public anger is kidding themselves.

      Its as laughable as Broon’s hilarious statement that MPs join ‘for the good they can do for the country’ (or words to that affect) which was met with hysterical laughter that extended far beyond the UK.

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      • 111
        Anonymous says:

        Question
        As a Lord does he get a second home allowance like Baroness Uddin?
        Is it possible that Martin being in the Lords allows him to keep troughing, whereas had he stayed Speaker his troughing would have been curtailed by these new measures?

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    • 209
      RavingMad says:

      Hilary Benn lost the plot a long time ago

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    What is needed is an easy way for voters to get rid of their constituency MP if they are not doing their job properly. Perhaps by some petition followed by a by-election system.

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    The Filkin Affair was a disgrace.

    The Penguin.

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      A Flikin’ outrage, guv.

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      Unsworth says:

      Indeed it was – but it showed exactly what kind of animals these people really are. The pity was that very few commentators at that time felt it was in their interests to properly expose the outrageous manipulations. Now, of course, these scum are all climbing onto the bandwagon.

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    akibitzer says:

    The pubic also need some control over policy, by giving us the right to call referendums.
    Gather x% of signatures and the Government MUST put the referendum (on whatever topic) before the public.
    If it gathers a majority, it MUST be implemented.
    Human Rights laws can be used to prevent the majority using referendums to oppress.

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    Old Nick Heavenly says:

    Another way to empower and amuse the public would be, as many have suggested, a Hostel for MP’s.

    It would, of course, need CCTV cameras at all doors and in the corridors for the protection of the ‘dishonourable bastards.’

    This system of cameras could be sponsored in order to save the United Condom taxpayers the expense, by the News of the World.

    This security surveillance could then be monitored from the Screws offfice!

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  22. 34
    barefootcontessa says:

    Listen to Roy Hattersley the plumptious tribal creep ( radio 4 now). and Biffin last night on newsnight. I don’t like to say it but Lamont is on the right lines , talkingh now radio 4.

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    Nettle up yer Kilt says:

    This is just the start….the danger is they will think sorting out expenses
    will sort it. It won’t by a long way.

    We must keep the pressure on to each MP relentlessly by whatever means possible. My MP is Bob Spink who thinks we are being unkind to the Speaker. Dr Spink is under no delusion about my opinion of him!!

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    Dick Cheese says:

    Blears will be the high profile sacrifice – vengeance is mine said the Gord – and couple of the most egregious troughers might just get fingered by Plod. A couple of retirements, maybe.

    And that will be it. And you all know it.

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      jgm2 says:

      The only ones getting fingered to plod by an ‘independent’ commission stuffed with hand-picked Brown apparatchiks will be Tory MPs.

      They have destroyed Parliament. If this was France their fucking with the constitution would already have had the place renamed – the sixth republic. That’s where we are. The Second Republic.

      They’ve fucked up everything. It has all been changed for the sake of change (and idiocy) and it’s a complete mess. The only up-side is that while the Labour imbeciles are all distracted by this they’re not implementing any further legislative idiocies on us. We’ll stil be 200bn in the hole this year though. And another 100bn or so in printed cash.

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  25. 38
    tisfedup says:

    Bit concerned, has anyone picked up yet on Gordon Browns phrase, ‘gentlemens club’ seems to me to be a direct attack, 1. re tory mp residence? 2, gentlemens club’s, although usually known to expect high levels of honour, integrity, is not something that public will readily associate with labour party. 3. the main stream media and labour party/supporters are using it at every opportunity.
    very subtle but can be very effective, beware dirty tricks afoot.
    posted to tory party

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    • 70
      Desperate Dan says:

      It hasn’t been picked up because no-one takes a blind bit of notice of what Brown says. He’s a total waste of space. He’s messed up everything about the economy, defence, education, freedom of speech, crime, security, immigration and introduced embezzlement of taxpayers’ cash by MPs. Now he says its not his fault and if he changes the rules and sets up a few quangos everything will be ok. Nothing he does will make it ok. He should sod off to his wee but and ben and leave us alone.

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    • 76
      Agent 99 says:

      GMTV this morning using the term ‘ no more mosts and manure’ but no mention of Labour / Lib Dummy expenses. This is all those nasty Tory MP’s

      Dirty tricks afoot for sure and all helped along by the compliant BBC and GMTV. Trouble is it will register with the dumbass in the street.

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  26. 39
    Grytpype-thynne says:

    So Gorbals Mick is to go, to the horribly inevitable peerage and golden pension,These will buy his silence, for it is apparent that Brown and Blair were part of the expenses saga.Expenses troughing kept enough MPs, of all sides, sweet to ensure those in office a free ride.It goes well beyond Mick, who brought his own brand of bully boy Glasgow politics with him.Brown’s proposals?Form yet another “independent” quango, members appointed bt, ahem,him,to “oversee” expenses.His performance last night was lamentable and will fool few

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    • 90
      Papasmurf says:

      I am in two thoughts about peerages and reform of the Lords.

      Perhaps the answer is for nominations to be made as per usual but none can be taken up until subjected to a referendum at the time of a national election time. It would save doubling up of the costs and would give the outgoing member / candidate a “period of reflection” to see if he / she wanted to enter the Lords. After all they may have that better career to go to!!!!!!!

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      • 138
        jgm2 says:

        The obvious thing to do is to slowly replace the existing peers with folk selected at random by the same process that we select juries. People serve four years, get paid whatever they were getting paid before (three years IR average). If folk decline, fine, go to the next on the list.

        Completely representative, absense of party politics. Power to crush any government legislation indefinitely. Just like a jury can throw out any amount of evidence if they think the person shouldn’t be on trial in the first place.

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  27. 40
    Lola says:

    Guido, agreed, 100%.

    MP’s are the ultimate authority. They are our representatives. I want no-one superior to them other than the electorate.

    I am listening to Lamont, Williams and Hattersley discussing this on R4 – and none of them seem to get it. There is talk of elections being argued and won or lost on great issues. This is bonkers. Before you can tackle a ‘great issue’ you have to get the management team right.

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  28. 41
    tisfedup says:

    whoops sorry double posted didnt notice moderation on

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  29. 42
    Anonymous says:

    Good to see you are back on fighting form again Guido.

    Yesterday was just one battle in what may be a LONG war.

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  30. 43
    Agent 99 says:

    DAILY MAIL REPORTING THIS MORNING

    Michael Martin will get a peerage and a £1.4million pension pot, despite being the first Commons Speaker to be ousted in more than 300 years. He finally fell on his sword after Gordon Brown told him the game was up.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1183897/Arise-Lord-Gorbals-Peerage-1-4m-pension-shamed-Speaker-quit-34-seconds.html

    UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!

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    • 250
      Peter Hurley says:

      In addition to his MP & Speaker pensions, won’t he also get £300+ a day for just turning up at the Lords?

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  31. 44
    Anonymous says:

    Today Programme: Williams, Hattersley, explaining that now is not the time for an election.

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  33. 47
    Ian E says:

    Why not link MP pay and allowances to the UK average pay. If average pay goes up 2%, then so would MP pay/allowances; if UK average pay goes down 1%, so would MP remuneration. A fair, transparent system that leads to a ‘profit-sharing’ of UK performance!

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    • 142
      Roert Catesby says:

      EXCELLENT IDEA. Hat tip to you for suggesting it again, though others have suggested this before. Three times national average should do it. Takes it out of the hands of the bloody quangos.

      And link expenses to that imposed on the rest of us.
      For travel and accommodation use the systems imposed on our armed forces – and I don’t mean the officers.
      For pensions let it be the same as any private company with all the risks of shortfall.

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      • 176
        The Proper Channels says:

        Letter sent to local MP; feel free to copy and send to your own.
        ===
        Dear Mr MP,

        I am not a natural *** voter, but I do still have – which is
        rare these days – a belief in representative democracy, so rather than
        merely posting this suggestion onto a blog and waiting for a
        journalist to come across it, I am making it to you, my local MP, as
        the correct channel to attract parliament’s attention.

        My suggestion is simple; means test the ACA. The original idea was, as
        I’m sure you are aware, an extension of the attempt – as old as
        Chartism – to ensure that an individual who chose to stand for
        parliament was not invidiously disadvantaged. Some of the examples we
        are seeing in the press – which although not representative of all
        parliament, certainly indicate a general milieu of entitlement, show
        abuses far above and beyond this.

        An individual who wishes to claim Job Seeker’s Allowance may take
        work, but this counts against their fortnightly claim – my own mother
        is in this situation at the moment. Similarly, my proposal would mean
        that any individual who had a source of income outwith of parliament –
        which I define as anything which would otherwise be declared to the
        Inland Revenue, including income from rental properties – would have
        this taken into account when determining their maximum ACA. I haven’t
        given consideration to the actual bands, but they’d certainly mean
        that anyone with an income of 500,000 wouldn’t receive a penny for
        travel or housing

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    • 188
      Ungrateful Serf says:

      Don’t forget the MP pension scam

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  34. 48
    Anonymous says:

    Let’s not fall for the media hype around this chaps.

    I think most agree it’s a sh!t idea.

    This lot couldn’t run a tuckshop!

    There are more revelations to come I’m sure (Monsieur Purnell?) and we should push to get the rest of this information out.

    Don’t let us get distracted by this latest waste of oxygen from Brown.

    Guido – do the DT just have the ACA expenses or is it all expenses?

    They MUST have something on Purnell surely?

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    • 67
      Smoke and Mirrors says:

      Brillo was on the money yesterday hounding that snivelling shit dennis Mc Shane about MEP’s expenses and the need for a retrospective reveal before the European elections. After Farage’s admission to £2 million in expenses in the last ten years, on top of his salary, further revelations of that nature would finally open the eyes to the electorate of the need for a Euro schism, not merely scepticism.

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    • 124
      THE 3 R`s says:

      there`s certaibly more to come – watch tip of the iceberg fraudster Kirkbride

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  35. 51
    Anonymous says:

    Gordon must be made to hold an election.

    Until he faces the ultimate test of democracy then all his weasle like words are just that.

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  36. 55
    Reds Under The Bed says:

    You’re quite right Guido – the public are being excluded from all of this and they don’t like it.

    Cameron, yet again, has his finger on the pulse here. While little Cleggy was jumping on the bandwaggon to oust the speaker – after that particular car crash was already heading to its inevitable conclusion – Dave recognised that the public would only be satisfied if they had the chance to cast their own verdicts upon the troughing MPs.

    And this means a General Election. Which Dave began to argue for when he launched the Conservative Euro campaign.

    The most telling part of his interview yeasterday was, “We’ve got to let the public in on this.”

    Just to show how ahead of the curve the Tories are, even The Sun has now jumped onto this bandwaggon.

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    • 79
      Smoke and Mirrors says:

      How in touch is Dave claiming the full second homes allowance and denouncing others. Do us all a favour, you couldn’t get a fag paper between the any of them.

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  37. 57
    Carswell for PM says:

    I might have a wobbly mouth but you can trust me to get things done….

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  38. 58
    Domesday says:

    A company called Qlikview that does dashboard technology have put together a great little demo on MPs expenses that allows you to see at a glance which MPs are troughing, where they’re troughing and so on. What a good way for the house of commons to publish expenses and show transparency were they to do something like this:

    http://demo.qlikview.com/AJAX/MP%20Expenses%20Analysis/SH05.htm

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  39. 62
    barefootcontessa says:

    I’ve almost given up on the human species. Cream floats to the top? Sadly, shit floats to the top. I’m pessimistic about the changes in parliament. Douglas Carswell has done a good job, Daily Telegraph has done a good job, Guido has done a good job, but hearing hilary benn slavering about that wonderful selfless kind man, the speaker, is really indicative of the way politics are moving. Tribalism has to go!

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  40. 65
    chris g says:

    Until politicians’ change their mindset and live in the 21st century, their will never be real reform. Yesterday was a start – but is by no means the end of it.

    and £1.4 million + a peerage + REWARD FOR FAILURE?

    http://www.plenty2say.com

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  41. 66
    Will says:

    The reporting of this has thrown up other interesting facts about where public money goes. Challenged by an MP during an interview, a BBC radio reporter I had never heard of said her salary is £92,000 (unless my hearing fails me). Yes, £92,000 of our money! Time to open another can of worms?

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    • 109
      Yoda says:

      With respect..she is a regular News presenter,and went on to say that she doesn’t claim for anything else,including business phone calls on her mobile.

      Nevertheless..a good salary….but frankly,about right for the market.

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      • 116
        Yoda says:

        Sorry..she’s TV news presenter..not radio

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      • 122
        Anonymous says:

        What market?

        There is basically Sky 24 and BBC 24. ou can be sure that sky are not paying their non-descript none prime time news readers anything like that salary.

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      • 128
        Yoda says:

        Sorry..She’s a TV News presenter..not Radio

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      • 155

        119 … presumably the market also includes C4, 5, and itv.
        And at the edges of the market local ITV, and independent radio – perhaps print journalism too.

        And I bet she’s not “most expensive autocue reader in the world”. (And did the autocue tell her how to respond to a tetchy interview with an MP?)

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    • 113
      Anonymous says:

      She’s got to be the most expensive autocue reader in the world.

      It’s a RECORD BREAKER.

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      • 136
        Yoda says:

        Anon….Don’t talk crap

        Firstly she is prime time..and there are plenty of other 24 hour news programmes.

        Sky are paying the same sort of salary..and perhaps slightly more.

        Check your facts first,Boyo.

        btw..sorry for double post..and I do not have any vested interest in this.

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      • 140
        jgm2 says:

        No. That would be Barak Obama.

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      • 164
        sundry £92K gobshite bint says:

        fuck off

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      • 177
        Yoda says:

        Very intelligent

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  42. 68
    Margy says:

    Brown and his cohorts are such cowardly sneaks – the lowest forms of human life. They have been caught out fiddling and of course, they blame the system and not their own flawed and bent personalities. Are the unable to take responsibility for their own actions? They are such shallow, weak people with absolutely no integrity.

    He deliberately uses the term ‘gentleman’s club’ as he knows it has tory ‘toffs’ associations. Yet this is a club that he has quite happily been a member of for many years and indeed, has benefited from. He has also tried to prevent the publication of MPs expenses and his treatment of Elizabeth Filkin will never be forgotten by some of us.

    Does this duplicitous liar think we will still believe his spin? Does he not understand that it is his lies and spin that have got us into this mess in the first place?

    Brown is a disgusting failure there should be a general election immediately.

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    • 89
      Give me 650 lamp posts and a roll of piano wire and I can fix democracy says:

      McSnot is just a useless twat. He has no authority left.

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    • 135
      Tom says:

      Nulabour’s only policy now is to try and attack the tories – they are terrified as they know Cameron will win the next election.

      It is amazing that after 12 years in power and using and abusing the system, Brown is suddenley blaming that system for the problems in parliament.

      The truth is that the system always worked very well until the dumbed down and incompetent nulabour MPs started screwing things up. They have behaved like kids in a sweetshop where expenses are concerned. They are totally irresponsible and stupid people.

      These people (labour) must never be allowed to hold power again – they are quite simply not up to the job.

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      • 203
        Give me 650 lamp posts and a roll of piano wire and I can fix democracy says:

        Well the way to stop Liebour getting elected is to prevent the jocks from voting at Westminster AND to reform these inner city areas where Liebour MPs have sometimes 50% the number of people a Tory area has.

        Take away 50 Scottish MPs and 100 inner city areas and that should take care of Liebour.

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  43. 71
    Steve says:

    General election petition on No. 10 website:

    http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/GoToCountryNow/

    3,921 and counting…

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  44. 72
    Give me 650 lamp posts and a roll of piano wire and I can fix democracy says:

    McSnot is a jock. Most of the Dinosaurs at Westminster are those left wing Scottish thugs. What we really need is a clean out of the Scots from Westminster using a flame thrower preferably. Scotland has a Parliament so they should be very happy running that. Just look at the HuntS that were sticking up for Martin yesterday. Fat left wing drunken jocks.

    We need to cut back on the number of English MPs as well. In particular the fraud Liebour have carried out over the last 12 years giving Liebour MPs more seat by splitting inner city areas up. A Liebour MP has a smaller constituency than a Tory one.

    We could easily trim off 200 LiebourMPs that was and take off the 50 jock ones, that will be a good start.

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  45. 73
    Anonymous says:

    Last night’s press meeting with the prime mentalist was truly awful, dreadful and most depressing. It would appear that yet another group of political appointees will virtually replace parliament. No more “gentlemen’s club” says the PM. The problem was not the club but the absence of gentlemen. And Call me Dave seems to be going along with this. Would a massive turnout for the fringe parties on June 4th make an impression?

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    • 118
      Augeas says:

      In a gentleman’s club, of course, there are rules, and members who break them are thrown out. Undesirables are quietly advised not to apply. Parliament could have done with being more like a gentleman’s club. Then there wouldn’t be so many bastards stealing our sherry, armchairs, and everything that wasn’t nailed down.
      Even though the Tories have been pretty much indistinguishable from NuLab in their troughing, this “gentleman’s club” spin, and the Stalinist approach to Blears as opposed to Darling, Hoon, Purnell etc, are so disgraceful that the most important thing is to get Labour’s representation to a minimum. So vote for whoever you have to, to get these people out.

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    • 184
      Airey Belvoir says:

      ‘The problem was not the club but the absence of gentlemen’. A brilliant summary Anon, I salute you for it. If only a journo had made that observation at Brown’s Press conference yesterday.

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  46. 80
    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    Dissolve Parliament.

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  47. 81

    indeed… 4 or 5 years in this age of communiation to put a tick in a limited choice of boxes (which will mean nothing after the postal scams get labour in) CANNOT BE CALLED DEMOCRACY!

    Welcome to the People’s Democratic Republic of Europe (which they always aren’t when called that, and is a close name to a good powernoise group, but that isn’t relevant here)

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  48. 86
    Desperate Dan says:

    MPs should be paid on results. If the economy suffers so should their pay. They should also clock in and out so we know how many hours they’re working and if they falsify their attendance record in any way they should be sacked. The money they spend on foreign travel should be capped at £3,000 so that MPs can’t abuse the trust that’s been placed in them by spending their time flying round the world at the taxpayers’ expense. Most of their foreign travel is of no benefit whatsoever toanyone but themselves.

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  49. 91
    BOFL http://ageofkali.blogspot.com/ says:

    no pension for mick!!!!!!!

    let the fat hoon pay back every penny he has stolen!

    i wonder how much that is over 30 years?

    apparently he will be getting £77,000 p.a ………
    that is the equivalent of SIX AND A HALF YEARS of work for someone on minimum wage!…ffs!!!!!!!!!!!

    what a bunch of hoons!

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    • 173
      Anonymous says:

      So much for studying to become a “professional” – a sheet metal worker only has to be shoehorned into a “safe NuLabour”constituency where the combined intellegence = the brainpower of a slug.

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      • 181
        Don't dare call me Gorbals Mick says:

        Keep them poor.
        They are OUR people to do with what we want.
        I’m a good and honourable man.
        Now whar’s ma bunce ?

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  50. 92
    Max says:

    Guido we need to put a concerted effort into the “Go To The Country” petition on the No.10 website (as per Steve 70 above). There is no possibility of proposing a stronger form of words because the petitions system will not allow a duplication, so we are stuck with this one:

    Go To The Country Now.

    As per the Resign petition though (proposed by a socialist) the Go Now petition is not tory-partisan, having been proposed as an apolitical petition.

    There should be at least 60,000 signatures on there if your website performs as it usually does. What do you say?

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    • 125
      Steve says:

      Thanks for the support – this petetion has been around for a couple of weeks now, but is not getting the publicity it deserves.

      The original “Resign” petition is up to 60,000, but we only need 31,000 for the “Election” one to get it second. It’s worth noting though that it is only up for another 6 weeks

      Submitted by Keith Jones of Taxpaying Pensioner without political affiliation – Deadline to sign up by: 27 June 2009 – Signatures: 3,921

      SIGN HERE FOR A GENERAL ELECTION NOW

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      • 165
        Cassius says:

        We now know quite a lot about the evolution of these downing St. petitions.

        The most effective growth rates of the resign petition came during working days at the office, when people signed up and passed the petition to those next to them to sign. Each / every one of them emailed the links to contacts and suppliers and asked them to do the same.

        No reason why this shouldn’t happen again this time around – but it takes really hard work on everyones part to get the momentum going. Nobody signing the petition should fail to send on the link – and you need to explain to those you send it to WHY THEY ALSO NEED TO SEND IT ON.

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      • 231
        Max says:

        All spot on, I commended this petition to Guido early days when it stood at around 40 names; between a small group of us we got it up to around 300 but then it lost momentum. Guido was not keen to support the e-petition system until the Resign one came along (he explained why at the time) and he then changed his mind and gave it his full weight. we need that sort of leadership again I think. The tory petition and the Sun petitions are fine but partisan; Keith’s petition is a better vehicle.

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  51. 98
    Anonymous says:

    And can we please have a vote on who the next Speaker should be?

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    • 185
      Don't dare call me Gorbals Mick says:

      Someone who can actually speak would be a reasonable start.

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    • 208
      Ian E says:

      Can I propose Iain Duncan Smith – a man of great character and integrity. He has shown how hard he can work to help our broken society; now let him show what he can do for our broken parliament! I just hope he would be prepared to take the office.

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  52. 99
    Anonymous says:

    Gordon wants to blane the system, to do otherwise would be to admit that his government (and parliament) is full of crooks.

    An admission that would mean Mr Brown would have to call an election.
    G
    Gordon in setting up this quango is trying to save his political skin for just another 12 months. He had the unique chance to go down in history as the PM who reformed Parliament but for the sake of 12 more months of unelected power he took the coward’s route and bottled out of something that only comes around every 500 years or so.

    Gordon Brown Coward and Bottler RIP.

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    • 170
      Twizzle says:

      But, once more, the media allow this Hoon to get away with it.

      Until the bias in the media, in particular the BBC is ended (and brutally) NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

      After all, we all know what the average Joe knows about the inner workings of politics and it’s a bit frightening to think that 50% know even less!

      It’s what poltiicians and the media play on. Just how dumb the electorate really is.

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    • 210
      He's no better says:

      Cameron hasn’t done much more!!!!!!!1

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  53. 104
    The big D says:

    This has all the charm and appeal of the Russian proverb.

    A sledge with travelers is being pursued by wolves. Every time the wolves get close, a traveler is thrown off to lighten the load, divert the wolves and help the remaining few escape.

    Knock knock. Hello politicians. Anybody there?

    This practice of throwing odd scraps ( the speaker, new expenses regime etc.) to the wolves is not working. The head of steam that has built up under this “do what we say not do what we do because we are watching you” government will not be dissipated by trivia like this.

    Two thoughts:

    1. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

    2. Anybody else noticed the complete absence of any DWP benefit cheat adverts on TV or radio recently? Very strange.

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  54. 105
    Peter says:

    And another thing…..

    Get rid of the party whips!!!

    Give MPs their own voting options.

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  55. 110
    Johnny says says:

    The outside regulator should be us and us alone. The system does need fixing but all that is required is a Fees Office with a backbone, more straightforward rules for what can and can’t be claimed and complete transparency – both for what is claimed and what is refused.

    MPs expenses should be a public test of competence and probity. Under the old system none of them have really ‘failed’ because the troughing was condoned. But now, to hand it off to some quango should have been resisted but then they have all been quick to do that with other matters in the past.

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  56. 112
    tisfedup says:

    you know i have had an absolute nough of all this, David Cameron get your bloody finger out,,get rid of the troughers in our party, we have many up and coming intelligent reformist put them at the front, and force a GE we cannot go on like this anymore, each day does more and more damage to our democracy, Brown is an absolute liability, the Nick Robinson’s and like from BBC are just public funded mouth pieces for the government, sort it now.
    ELECTION NOW

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  57. 123
    Give me 650 lamp posts and a roll of piano wire and I can fix democracy says:

    Guido on Radio 5 NOW

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  58. 126
    David says:

    The bastards were caught off-guard and were temporarily in retreat. But they are now regrouping with the help of their compliant media acolytes. We need a Second Front Now!

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  59. 129

    [...] quite rightly impressed by this, including Polly Toynbee and now Guido. First comment post-Guido link? “Ow my head hurts [...]

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  60. 132
    Perry Neeham says:

    The internal v. external (i.e. yet another bloody quango) status of a regulator is of less importance than transparency. In future we, the people, must see all expenses of all politicians.

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    • 264
      Ian Academic says:

      In the real world any expense not related to the job is not an acceptable expense for tax purposes.
      The Green book clearly says that the expense ocurred must be directly related to the performance of the MPs’ duties.

      Therefore pot plants, jacuzzis, moat dredgeing, and “hand relief” should be ineligible and the MPs as well as the fees office should know this.

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  61. 133
    Anonymous says:

    Sadly CMD has already said he supports the Quango. I just hope the British public do not fall for the main stream politician’s spin yet again.

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  62. 139

    Personal Manifestos including definitions of failure, and of course the MP’s required remuneration to do the job – the more I think about it the better it sounds. A representative representing what they actually believe in not what the whips tell them to say. No more joining Post Office closure protest votes locally, then voting for the selfsame PO to be shut down from the distant safety of Westminster.

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  63. 148
    Stepney says:

    Gordon has just said (on GMTV, that incisive giant of political analysis):

    “Do you really want to see tomorrow in the midst of the recession, while the government is dealing with this, the chaos of an election? What you actually want is to get on with the job of sorting out the problem.
    “The problem is high unemployment, that we are dealing with, mortgage problems that people have that we are dealing with, small businesses in difficulty that we are dealing with. There will be an appropriate time to have an election but at the moment people want us to get on with the job.”
    “Most of my job is to get on with getting this economy back to work, making sure we can come through this recession.”

    ABSOLUTELY

    FUCKING

    BARKING

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    • 166
      TIME FOR A TV PRESENTER TO CONFRONT BROWN LIVE ON TV AND CALL HIM A CRIMINAL says:

      Why are they so polite to this monster?

      Why don’t they call him a criminal and fraudster to his face and demand a General election?

      Why does a TV presenter not do the brave thing and call him a fraudster to his face – we the British people will support that person – I shall write a cheque for £100 to support that person if they are sacked for their actions and I am sure millions of others will support them.

      “Cometh the hour,cometh the man” (or woman).

      Kay Burley? Adam Boulton? Jon Snow?

      One of you please do it.

      His bodyguards prevent anyone within speaking distance to approach him – it has to been done on a live TV programme by one of these presenters.

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    • 186
      art1000 says:

      Well El Gordo, thanks to your criminal incompetence, there will be massive problems to sort out for decades. To extrapolate your logic we should never have elections anymore then. To use this is an excuse for not holding and election is disgraceful. Even the old ‘we have been given a mandate for a full five years’ would be at least have a figleaf of democratic logic.

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    • 224
      Get lost Brown,leave Downing St now says:

      Most of your job is to FUCK OFF now

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  64. 151
    Action This Day says:

    Guido, you are bang on the money. We the British voting public will not stand for this nonsense any more.The politicians still do not realise just how angry we all are. We need a good dose of disestablishmentarianism the order of which they can not comprehend. Power must be dissolved back to the House of Commons away from the executive with their three line whips and then, as you say, back to the people. The how of it will be the subject of long discussions in the next parliament but at least the old diehard crooks will be gone.

    And, did you see our incumbent idiot yesterday at his press conference? He is very much in denial regarding the “election” word in the same way Gorbals Mick was in denial regarding mp’s expense disclosure and it will end the same way. Brown will eventually go, in disgrace, having had to be forced out rather than going gracefully by calling an election now. He will learn nothing from this debacle and keep clinging on to the rock face whilst it crumbles around him. He is the biggest Rotten Fool in The Rotten Parliament.

    And finally, can we stop calling the money they stole “expenses” which means re-imbursement for money outlaid? It was Theft by Established Custom.

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  65. 152
    Archie McPherson says:

    Not only do these thugs not want change, they are incapable of it. They are ossified and must be removed. Only significant change of seismic proportion will make any difference here. There has not been a single demonstration over this here. Not one. And these troughers understand that the British populace, long trained in deference and almost completely submissive, can be ordered about at will as ultimately there is no opposition to the relentless plutocracy that masquerades as democracy. They have nothing but scorn for the people of this country. The monarchy must be abolished; the house of Lords must be abolished; there must be freedom of information in ALL public offices; there must be proportional representation; there must be open and accessible accountability in all areas.

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    • 172
      Action This Day says:

      The only person we have between us and a dictatorship is The Queen. Who do you think is warning Brown not to take that step. This situation is bad but if we remove the Monarchy we are finished. The monarchy hasn’t caused this problem, crooked mps that we voted for have. The Lords you can dump or reform but not the Monarchy please.

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    • 193
      roundheaded says:

      Cromwell did something.
      When asked, some time ago, about the ‘king’ David Starkey most admired – he replied its not an actual king but Oliver Cromwell.
      Don’t forget Cromwell also almost won the greatest Brit accolade.
      We need a Cromwell and obviously he has remained enshrined in our history of the ordinary blokes freedom from oppressive government.
      When offered the ultimate ‘expenses claim’ the crown he turned it down.
      His wife cooked for him and even as ruler he lived in modest circs.
      Carswell is doing bloody well so far.
      He is saying all the right things about change.
      Take the time to give him some support

      carswelld@parliament.uk

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        Meal ticket says:

        Hmmm – tell me more about this wife that cooked for him – is she still around?

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    IT IS OUR TURN NOW TO TAKE ACTION says:

    I feel so helpless – the country has been mugged by Gordon Brown and his cronies – but we have to sit and watch him last night, telling US all what is going to happen next.

    This is as if the Allies enter the Bunker in Berlin,to be told by Hitler what happens next – AND the Allies accept his proposals!

    How can we let this corrupt criminal Brown continue ruining this country to save himself?

    We MUST stop him immediately – can we all please turn up at Downing Street and stay there until he is forced to call an election – perhaps 500,000 people?

    I remember when the Romanian dictator Ceaucescu stood on the balcony in Bucharest and watched in disbelief that his people were calling for his head – he simply could not believe it.He was dead within days.

    Remember the women of Greenham Common?

    Now is our time to camp in Downing Street and force him out.

    Or perhaps a General Strike.

    I am not calling for a revolution – I am calling for a General Election.

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      the establishment says:

      god save the queen and her bolshevik regime

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      BAN THE BERKA says:

      And he intends to impose Bercow.
      We need a STOP BERCOW campaign.
      He is more dangerous and far worse than Martin.
      His puppeteers are not even British.

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  67. 159
    Pissed off voter says:

    Right on the money Guido. It really must be he – or she :) – who pays the piper calls the tune. Member recall should be the imperative of the voter, but what’s the mechanism that doesn’t present the possibility of bye-elections every other day?

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  68. 161
    Talwin says:

    Gordon Brown is criticising “19th century rules”. He wants to move forward with “radical Change”. Fine. So FFS stop going on about what dad would have thought fifty years ago.

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  69. 167
    VotR says:

    The MPs love their power way too much, they won’t even give a scrap to the people.

    Even now they are disguising reforms of the expenses system as something decent and trustworthy, when all it really is, is a smokescreen of spin so they can get their fat-ridden porky fingers on the cash again, with the voter bought off with media jargon.

    Only minimal claims, or none at all should be allowed. Anything more is a brazen example of laughing at the homeless, and those that are forced to go without, and pushes the poor’s faces in the trough that they obviously love more than their country. That’s this spin is being done so brazenly and openly in voters face still even now after the expenses scandal, demonstrates just how much contempt MPs and Parliament has for the voter.

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  70. 169
    Can't Kukri, Won't Kukri says:

    I don’t se what all the fuss is about. The independent regulator of Parliament will surely be somebody utterly unsusceptible to political pressure, unafraid to rock boats or blow whistles, with a skeptical enquiring mind and a dogged determination to get to the truth, no matter how embarrassing to vested interests.
    Someone like Lord Hutton, for example.

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      father christmas should be an MP says:

      ho ho!!

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      Action This Day says:

      I’d laugh but it’s not funny.

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        Rudolf - more charismatic than criminal Brown says:

        A three-legged Reindeer has more presence than that criminal fraudster that has holed himself up in the Downing St bunker.
        Rudolf – we salute you!

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  71. 178
    Sceptical says:

    Guido – you are absolutely right on this. Let the voters decide on who they want to represent them, both individually and by party. Another quango is completely unnecessary.

    Also, by the way, the battle over MPs expenses has already been won (for which you can take some credit among others). A combination of tighter rules and full transparency now means that MPs will not be troughing any more, they just would not dare risk the public anger once again.

    This particular problem is being solved by people power – but true to form, Gordon rushes around much too late, trying to catch up, with promises of greater state control of MPs activities. It’s pathetic and shameful, if not dangerously stalinist.

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  72. 180
    Dame Celia Molestrangler says:

    Spot on Gweed. Why do we need another committee – why can’t the Audit Commission audit MPs salaries and expenses. All the Great Gordo has done is to introduce yet more stifling bureaucracy. What is needed is common sense and devolution to personal morality and responsibility. That can be done at a General Election.

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      Anonymous says:

      It can be done by scrapping the expenses system completely. MPs do actually get a salary, unlike so many in this country now.

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  73. 189
    Archie McPherson says:

    To suggest that removal of the monarchy will herald the arrival of a dictatorship beggars belief. They, and all they stand for, are the lynchpin of this hopeless, unfair, cruel and nasty plutocracy. They have to go. Throw the Lords with them. Real change NOW.

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      knitter says:

      As someone who wrote to the Queen requesting she refrain from signing away our sovereignty to Europe and so fulfil her coronation oath – just to watch her do the opposite and blatantly betray her people – I have a lot of sympathy for this comment.

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  74. 194
    Rexel 56 says:

    Why do the Houses of Parliament exist at all?

    Because in the middle ages:

    (1) it took forever to duplicate written material so only a few copies were physically practical

    (2) it took days for communications so the only practical way to hold debates was in a single location

    (3) not many could read so the educated elite were default representatives of the masses

    None of that applies now – electronic communications obviates the need for a physical building and representatives.

    If millions can vote in an instant on reality TV shows then millions can participate in the scrutiny and passing of legislation.

    Oh, and as a bit of a clear-up exercise, it wouldn’t take long to put all current statutes to the people to decide which could happily be abolished.

    And to require the people’s approval of all statutory instruments laid by Ministers.

    And senior appointments to public bodies…..

    And senior public servant’s remuneration…

    After all, there has been more democratic involvement of the people through Blogs in the past 12 months than since, well I don’t know since when, I’m too young to remember a time when people felt connected to the politicians.

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  75. 198
    Lee Enfield says:

    These bastards are never to be trusted again. The public should have the right of access to every single government meeting including the cabinet. They could easily accomodate half a dozen members of the public for every meeting to keep a watchful eye over them.

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      English equality please says:

      We need a complete cleanout.
      A change to a federal Britain.
      A small federal parliament (at Westminster?) – as is the style of virtually every other democracy.
      The creation of an English parliament – say at Evesham or Warwick, central to England. Thus making 4 semi autonomous regions each with equality of franchise to their people – at the moment the English are denied this right.

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      votR says:

      Stuff all, it’s just the same old trough but disguised and obfuscated in a new way. Abolish the privileges of expenses now and come back down to Earth out of your Ivory Tower, Brown.

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  77. 202
    Pissed off voter says:

    Quangos have had a few mentions. They, of course, are another little wheeze the ‘honourable members’ use to fleece the taxpayer. Expensive jollies to exotic places for no obvious advantage – other than their own. Surely these costs should be published against the names of the tourists involved.

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  78. 207
    Kick it into the Long Grass says:

    EQUITABLE LIFE.
    Same story – review after review after review for 10 years awaiting one independent review which would back McMental (or his glove puppets Ruth Kelly/Yvette Cooper) in his bid to steal billions from pensioners.
    ALL independent reviews sided with Equitable Life pensioners against NuLabour Govt.
    Pensioners who have lost their life savings under the control of FSA.
    Result ? – Brown decided not to comply with ANY result he didn’t like.
    Just look up what the Parliamentary Ombudsman made of parliamentary “democracy”.
    This man is a sociopath dictator – don’t believe or trust a word from him.
    More “independent” boards – more lies. Just kick it into the long grass until public anger wanes.
    He’s in it for himself and no punishment is good enough for him.
    Moral Compass indeed.

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      Joe Bass says:

      Did you say ‘pensioners’ or ‘prisoners’ ? After a lifetime of services, in one way or other, to the country the pensioners are indeed prisoners to that utterly despicable and dishonourable OAF.

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        Babar was a very poorly baby Elephant. says:

        MPs pay should be linked to State Pension level.
        To make that a reasonable living wage for an ongoing increase to the public.
        To allow that to happen, the investment is truly enormous – Everyone in the nation benefits, however, and we are all working for the good of each other.
        Isn’t that what the Socialists aspire to ?
        That incents MPs to allow and accelerate national wealth and cut out national waste.
        Lets see where that takes taxation and public sector debt, shall we ?

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    Pissed off voter says:

    Fred Goodwin plays a major role in bringing the UK economy to it’s knees and sending the bill to the taxpayer. He’s punished’ with a massive pension and payout, also ultimately at taxpayer expense.

    Michael Martin plays a major role in bringing parliament to it’s knees and bills the taxpayer for trying to hide the corruption of the parliament we pay for. He’s ‘punished’ with a healthy pension and potential place in the Lords.

    So this ‘principle’ has not changed, it’s still very much reward for failure. This government still don’t get it. Election, please.

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  81. 222
    Taxfodder says:

    One of the things that does my old heart good is the fact that even though Westminster (still after all that’s happened) DOESN’T GET IT!

    The Taxpayer does!

    Despite MP’s and assorted hangers on (BBC) trying to spin their way out buy saying IT WAS ONLY A FEW THAT BROKE THE RULES GOVNOR!

    I would advise all lawbreakers when confronted by the plod to say sorry! It was within the rules I made up for myself; also I am within my rights to break any law I make when it suits me.

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  82. 226
    Cui bono Brown? says:

    I’ve said all along this Telegraph expenses expose was put up by Brown and McBride along with his pals at the Labourgraph, editor Will Lewis and Andrew Porter’s imported Mirror political team.

    Th elunatic Brown is playing a classic Stalinst Purge spin operation.

    This expenses shitstorm was due to hit Brown after the euro/local elections and could have toppled him. Far better to take control and have it out before the elections, then blame Labours poor results on the expenses scandal, rather then Brown. The scandal nicely takes out nearly all of Browns potential challengers, even the ‘clean’ ones like Johnson are left shellshocked and lack other ‘clean’ supporters to rally round him

    Brown takes the inital hit over his cleaners expenses, then is conveniently allowed by the Telegraph to rebut and kill the story, as the narrative is engulfed by the wave of other more scandlous revelations.

    Brown simply keeps his head down throughout, lets his compatriot Speaker Martin fall on his sword, spins that he heroically forced Martin out, then pops up as the sky is clearing, steals Camerons ideas and presents them as his own “extreme action” to solve the crisis, while at the same time setting up a Labour leaning ‘independent’ body to review and find leadership threatening Labour MP’s, and Tory MPs generally guilty.

    He’ll ignore all calls for an election as The Great Leader has much work to do. He will seek to cement his position and ‘restore confidence in politics’ further, by changing the way Parliament works, either by trying to introduce some form of PR to stop the Tories every gaining power, plus he will alter the way the oppostion works, so if the worst is looking inevitable, and Brown ends up in opposition, Labour can make Cameron’s life impossible, to ensure a swift return to power

    MPs expenses – who ultimately seeks to benefit? – Brown does

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  83. 230
    Auntie Flo' says:

    Guido, that £600,000 house that Brown gave to Sarah (last year?), I don’t suppose that was his second home at one time? It surely should have been as he’s been living gratis in two luxury homes at the taxpayer’s expense for 12 years. I wonder if that house might have attracted Inland Revenue’s attention for either Capital Gains tax or Inheritance Tax if Brown had still owned it?

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  84. 232
    Joe Bass says:

    IT IS OUR TURN NOW TO TAKE ACTION – Commentator 151 above:
    What is said under 151 is about right.
    There is a great consensus of disaffection amongst the vast majority of U.K. voters. (Great) Britain had the ‘Great’ removed from its title by the Libyan Leader back in 1986. Just in case there was any doubt about it the political classes have truly hammered in the last nails in the coffin of HMS Brittania. I guess McBean “The Saviour of the World” has basically ensured that any future efforts to re-launch the country will be retarded by the utter mess left behind following over 10 years of seriously negligent performance by him, Blair and the associated motley crew of elected and non-elected cronies and hangers on.
    If the troughers had delivered to the nation then I guess this current uproar regarding expenses would not have occurred. Basically when things are OK the population are complacent and couldn’t be bothered… BUT when things are so grossly out of kinder then the ‘file is opened’ and eventually the GREAT public of the U.K. take interest.
    Some are calling for a General Election – this is inevitable but the political set-up is now proven to be wrong, unfortunately the opposition failed to see through the lies and coercion leading up to the illegal IRAQI war, so I cast the problem at all the Party Politicians of the era.
    The Party system is a problem as a centralised command structure can control to a great degree the voting habits of regionally selected and elected M.P’s despite the regional populations views and or those of the sitting M.P.
    It is high time that wise men from the community were elected who do not have the stigma of fitting into a centrally controlled command centre, independents will lead to a better debate and to greater accountability to the regional electorate regarding their voting pattern. Any arsehole who then steps out of line on a regular basis can be badgered locally and in the local press (it is still somehow independent) until they ‘do the decent thing’ and correct their ways or resign.
    Talking of ‘the decent thing’ with the pathologically damaged Gordo we have no chance of a resignation or early General Election he is a dangerous micro managing Buffoon with no real-life experience whose desperation to stay in his ‘rightful’ seat will determine all his actions – and no other.
    Many years ago a friend of mine drowned in an Amsterdam Canal. He had fallen in late at night and tragically drowned. When his body was witnessed the next day the notable feature was that his fingertips were shredded down to the bone – his last desperate efforts to stay alive.
    It is quite insulting of me to link my lost friend to McMental but whenever I hear the name Gordon Brown mentioned I see images of a grasping hand scraping away on a concrete wall depicting the desperate and dishonourable conduct of Gordo – basically a drowning man – unable to save himself but nevertheless futilely clawing away.
    Lets hope that U.K. Plc. is able to get itself levelled off and set on a straight agenda soon.

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      IT IS OUR TURN NOW TO TAKE ACTION says:

      Joe Bass
      I am sorry to read about the tragic death of your friend.

      I wrote that comment and I find it incredible that this fraudster has the power to decide when the British public can tell him whether he is to go or stay.

      So it comes to this,does it,that in this Great Britain of ours;
      One man has the power to decide when 62 million people can tell him to go or stay.

      This is surely corrupt and rotten to the core.

      If it is The Queen who has the power to dissolve Parliament,then she must do it today.

      If we have any power,surely we owe it to our children to peacefully march in our hundreds of thousands across the streets of every major city in this country,to DEMAND a General Election?

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  85. 237
    Anonymous says:

    The solution is incredibly simple, but the BBC refuse to even mention that there is such a solution available.

    Rather than spending days of Parliamentary time and shit loads of tax payers’ money on weird quangos, all they need to do is say this…

    “hey, you see those laws that everyone else in the country uses? we’ll use those.”

    Independent (private company, not quango) auditors and accountants, hmrc rules/guidelines for what’s allowed/relevant. dodgy claims go to the cps/police whenever the auditors/acountants or hmrc find them.

    there you go. job done.

    Can someone please explain why MPs still feel the need to be outside the law, even with the whole electorate constantly telling them just to use the same rules as everyone else? In what way is a private company director, or even a sales rep, any different to an MP when it comes to what they should be allowed to claim?

    “ooh, I have to travel. I have 2 offices, so I must have different rules than everyone else” say the MPs; utter shite; do they think that nobody in the private sector has more than 1 fucking office or needs to travel?

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    • 265
      Ian Academic says:

      As a general principle, major changes impacting upon any issue
      which might require Members to enter into any long-term
      arrangements or materially affecting the guidance or rulings
      contained in this document, should be designed to last for the
      lifetime of a Parliament and not changed mid-term.

      taken from

      http://www.parliament.uk/documents/upload/GreenBook.pdf

      Is it just me or is this a clear statement that flipping is wrong ?

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  86. 238

    “Douglas Carswell is on the money, we want the power of voter recall for underperforming politicians”

    This is blatantly repeating what Nigel Farage was saying just a few days ago:

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    • 243
      Ex UKIP member says:

      Carswell has some credibility.
      Farage is an unbelievably vile snouter on the EU gravy train.
      A £2,000,000 trough has been suggested.
      Makes the Westminster bunch look amateur.

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  87. 240
    Archie MacPherson says:

    The whole point is the taxpayer does NOT get it. There is nothing, nothing at all that will move the British people, so submissive, acquiescent and cowed are they. The have been lied to, cheated, treated with contempt, laughed at, and still they just go about their lives hopelessly shuffling around. At times, the whole situation is reminiscent of the Stasi, the snooping and watching, cameras and ID cards. If the comparison is a little exaggerated, the premises on which the comparison stands are sound. With that in mind, I think that Brown actually knows he has cart blanche to do as he pleases. He can, in fact, do almost anything safe in the knowledge that the British public will fawn and cringe and doff the cap. Still, this problem is far bigger than Brown and Martin. Remember Michael Trend? Over ninety grand nicked and no charges….

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      I was only in the Hiyler Yoof says:

      We are in truth a National Socialist State and have been since the poor ill educated masses with no knowledge of history (so much for education education education not) voted our masters in at the last Nurnberg rally aka GE1997

      We have our very own Gestapo that even Herr Himmler would be envious of.
      Ex-Stasi would have given their eye teeth (and those of others) to be part of this, our very own, dictatorship

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        Groupie Girl says:

        …and Hitler was the darling of Germanic womanhood….
        …..no shortage of budding Eva Brauns here either……

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  88. 244
    W Churchill says:

    ….here are the title deeds of freedom which should lie in every cottage home
    ……. we must never cease to proclaim in fearless tones
    the great principles of freedom and the rights of man
    which are the joint inheritance of the English-speaking world
    and which through Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights,
    the Habeas Corpus, trial by jury,and the English common law…..

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  89. 246
    Peter Hurley says:

    What proof – if any – exists that MPs who have stated they will pay back their ‘erroneous’ claims have actually done so?

    Or will we find – if we ever find out at all – that they made an ‘error’ in not paying it back, as accountancy is not their strongest suit?

    Call me an old cynic, but why should we believe they are telling the truth about repaying?

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    • 266
      Moe says:

      Ned Flanders refused to claim his cash register as a business expense because he loved the sound it made. That is the type of individual we need in the Commons rather than the cartoonesque grotesques of Smith, Blears, Hogg, and Woolas.

      Apologies for not being able to come up with a more representative cross section.

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  90. 247
    NEWS FLASH! says:

    Dale seen via Tory Bear that Nick Brown has said election will happen within a few weeks after new Speaker in place!!!!!!

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  91. 248
    caesars wife says:

    Carswells thoughts are interesting , but remember we are reacting to a corruption of parliment , not neccessarily that parliment is a bad thing , i know some want too see it end , i am not one of them i want to see it have worth and respect .

    the idea of being elected until the next election is a double edged sword as your record , can be used by your opponent , which is why local elections can be so cruel .We also have party politics which take preference in most cases and have deep almost tribal roots .

    A situation where by an individual takes umbridge at a sitting mp and an force an election would be a nightmare , hence we have this stay until voted out system . Party politics in theory should be able to define the big ideas and parliment acts to test these under what can loosely be termed the national interest or beneffit . The system should work to keep nutters out and enable the country to live under the rule of law and in a civilised construct the reference to historical perspective gives an added dimension , and in my view would be a diastrous loss . Bit like forgetting where you were born .

    but should an mp who gets in then think “right ive got the job time to get troughing” so perhaps its checks on what they claim and what they do without turning them into vaccous non enteties , err hold on a minute !
    getting on with the job .

    perhaps gordon is trying to get some capital out the situation and shift the debate over , still hoisted by his own petard if you ask me , although the gibbard is what he keeps getting nearer to , Brown the parlimentary reformer is rather like Hitler the geographer , it still will not require your vote !!

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  92. 252
    Tom Harrison says:

    Compulsory voting. Make polling a day a bank holiday.

    Local authority owns a house for local MP. In London the Environment dept owns a stock of houses for MP USE.

    Local authority supplies secretarial support and researcher. Researcher polls the people of the constituency to find their views. Website shows how MP voted compared with the popular opinion.

    Scrap the whip system. Stop sanctioning an apparatus whose purpose is to divert MP votes from the public opinion.

    Audit manifestos. If they are held to account for their promises they won’t make factious promises they have no intention of keeping.

    Manifestos should have a legal core like a contract. We are protected by law if we buy shonky goods. But not if party political parties don’t keep to their advertised program.

    Especially promises to hold referenda on changes to our sovereignty etc.

    Speaker to be a high court judge not an MP who acts more like a referee.
    All other duties of Speaker as the representative of the Commons to passed to the leader of the house.

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  93. 253
    Chalcedon says:

    Quangos are unaccountable to the electorate. We have far to many of them with significant government responsibilities yet we cannot chuck them out of office at the ballot box. That must change. If the Tories wanted to win more votes they could do much worse than promise to get rid of 90% ASAP once in office.

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  94. 255
    Porky Pies MP says:

    How’s this for a two-fingered salute to the voters of Salford (taken from the Manchester Evening News today):

    John Cullen, chairman of the CLP, said he was unaware of anyone wanting to push for Ms Blears’ deselection.
    “It has not even been raised and, if it was, it would be instantly dismissed,” he said.
    A joint statement issued on behalf of the secretary, chairman and treasurer of the CLP said: “Hazel Blears will be our Labour candidate at the next General Election. We have full confidence in her.”

    So there we have it. The grinning clown will be Salford’s candidate at the next election. This is an area which would normally vote Labour even if a stuffed pig was their choice – but I’m not too sure this time, methinks the voters have had enough of this cheating ginger minger.

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      Moe says:

      But they are running a stuffed pig aren’t they?
      Or was all poor Hazell’s days at the trough for nothing?

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      Victormc says:

      Yes and I hear the thief Margaret Moran has been wholly supported by her party in Luton. 3 homes in UK one in Spain…….I watched PMQs today followed by the usual rag bag of politicians discussing it all. I can tell from their eyes, tone and body language these people simply don’t ‘get it’. Yes, their mouths open and close in the right places but………. DC and NC tell your MPs to resign NOW. – 200 By-elections- no, a general election will be forced on the maggot.

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  95. 262
    Sarge says:

    BBC next. Check this out. The troughing luvvies….

    Sir Michael Lyons, who heads the BBC Trust, claimed £26,167 in expenses, including £459 for subscription and installation fees for the satellite broadcaster’s services .

    Sir Michael, who earns £140,000 a year, was also loaned an £890 television set and a £178 DVD recorder.

    Other trustees who claimed expenses for Sky’s services include Chitra Bharucha, the trust’s vice-chairman (£150), Diane Coyle (£275) and Dermot Gleeson (£275).

    The details of Mr Lyons’s and his colleagues’ spending in the last financial year emerged after the BBC Trust decided to publish for the first time the full list of the expenses claims made by its 12 members.

    The document, which runs to 37 pages, shows that the trustees’ combined expenses bill reached £147,373 last year.

    It outlines their entertainment bills, including the fact that Sir Michael took Mark Thompson, the BBC director-general, to Odin’s, a restaurant in Mayfair, London, soon after taking up his role, at a cost of £119.60.

    Jeremy Peat, the Trust member for Scotland, claimed the most – £30,976 – including £12,623, for hotels, £9,810 for flights, £2,411 for rail travel and £4,725 for contract cars.

    Sir Michael came second followed by Alison Hastings, the Trust member for England (£20,692) and Miss Bharucha (£17,227).

    The Trust defended spending licence-fee payers’ money on Sky channels.

    “Trust members are offered home use of audiovisual equipment to enable them to experience the full range of television and digital radio channels available (including satellite subscriptions) in support of their responsibility supervising the BBC’s services and their operation within the wider market,” said an explanatory note in the document.

    “Satellite subscriptions are capped at the approximate cost of a basic high definition subscription (i.e. £25 per month).

    Don Foster, the Liberal Democrat spokesman for culture, media and sport, said it was “ludicrous” that trustees were claiming back the full cost of having Sky television in their homes.

    “I see no objection in getting a small amount back but to claim for all of it is ludicrous,” he said. “What they claim should be proportionate to how much they watch for work purposes. MPs don’t claim back their entire mobile phone bill because they know that some of it has been for personal use.”

    The list of expenses claims comes only weeks after it emerged that the BBC spent £5.3 million on driving contributors and guests in the last financial year, up from £3.3 million the previous year.

    Guests, or ‘talking heads’, for 24-hour news coverage were thought to be behind the rise, with many agreeing to appear only if they receive transport to and from the studio.

    In total, the taxi bill for the BBC rose to £13.8 million from April 2007 to March 2008, up from £13 million.

    The bill is the equivalent to the licence fee payments from 100,000 members of the public.

    Cucking funts

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    • 263
      Porky Pies MP says:

      I agree wholeheartedly! The BBC has some of the most greedy and parasitical bastards in public life. We need an urgent investigation into this ‘public body’ funded by what is in reality a tax.

      Thanks for the information.

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      Victormc says:

      178 quid for a DVD recorder?? – someone else MUST be paying. Where I live I can buy them for 90 Euros.

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        Red Neck Man says:

        Interesting observation. It has been commented on before here that they were overpaying for certain white goods. Now why would that be?

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  96. 270
    James Dunlop says:

    MPs want to be paid more than they can justify to the voters, so they want to pretend the pay rate is not their responsibility.

    They should set their own pay, and be prepared to justify it to the voters.

    As the expenses issues has revealed, once MPs actions are transparent, the power of voter scrutiny is all we need.

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  97. 289
    Victormc says:

    Some serious enquiries into the bank accounts and lifestyles of the people in the fees office is definitely overdue. DT please note. Without their connivance most of these ‘claims’ would have been laughed out of court.

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      Red Neck Man says:

      Interesting observation. It has been commented on before here that they were overpaying for certain white goods. Now why would that be?

      Yes, this is the same comment as above and you know why it is submitted again.

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    [...] Update commentary along similar lines from Dizzy Thinks and Guido [...]

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    Nigel Bowker says:

    Brown’s premiership is turning just as diasasrously as I predicted in my book “Boom and Bust” written before he became PM. Contact me on nigel_bowker_917@hotmail.com for a free electronic copy.

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John McTernan told Channel 4 News

“You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, you don’t win in politics without breaking legs.”



Rob Wilson says:

Without Predujice

Darling

What time will dinner be ready this evening?

Yours

Rob Wilson MP

In the interests of me I am placing a copy of this email in the public domain.


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