Payrise? MPs Are Already Overpaid
Cameron has already ordered his troops to stop claiming dodgy expenses and it now seems likely that all MPs will finally lose their gold-plated expense fiddles. As sure as Hoon has houses they will inevitably demand pay rises. Examine the situation: an MP’s current compensation package (without dishonesty or blatant looting) is worth some £120,000 to £130,000 if added to the basic salary are their “within the rules” allowances and pensions valued at pre-tax equivalent market rates. Guido gives a range because of arguments as to the value of their pension package. So let us settle on a figure of £125,000 as the current all-in value of their package. Don’t forget many of them also increase the household income by employing children and spouses (or their 80-year-old mother in Peter Hain’s case). MP’s basic salaries of £64.766 puts them in the top 3% of earners. MP’s all-in packages put them in the top 1% of earners, yet they are in the words of the late Tony Banks “a sort of high-powered social worker”. Social workers are paid £30,000 a year.
There is an all party consensus developing in Westminster that to make up for their loss of fiddles they should get a pay rise of some £30,000 – a rise equivalent to the aforesaid social worker’s annual salary, or the annual pay of an army officer risking his life in the taliban’s line of fire. What on earth makes politicians think they are worth three times as much as a lieutenant in Helmand? Being paid to hang round in taxpayer subsidised bars in SW1 for a late vote is not exactly as stressful as taking deadly incoming fire from AK47s or writing to the mothers and wives of young men under your command who have given their lives for their country.
The politicians of SW1 are by comparison undeserving, untrustworthy and overpaid. They have a sense of self-entitlement that is as unjustified as their use of the term “honourable”. They will try to justify a pay rise by comparison to surgeons or headmasters. We need high pay to attract and retain those professionals. Every available safe seat attracts hundreds of applicants, there is no need to raise the rewards. Paying politicians high rewards attracts exactly the wrong type of careerist into politics and the political class have now shown themselves to be as despicable as they are interchangeable. We want people in politics who are more like good priests – poor and honest.
“Every available safe seat attracts hundreds of applicants, there is no need to raise the rewards”
Perhaps it is time to do away with safer seats and have a more representative way of choosing our MPs. When we are at the stage where the last two ruling parties have been in power for more than ten years you get a sense of impunity.
This is a good opportunity for electoral reform.
Very much so. I’ll do it just for expenses! Providing I can claim for truffles!
Forget truffles! Choccy Santas are the in thing!
Do rats eat truffles or is it just the pigs?
They earn so much we now have another one forget he has paid off his mortgage.
http://www.flirtslingerie.com/acatalog/edible-knickers.html
Slightly O/T, but thoroughly enjoyed reading Nadine Dorries’ self-righteous blog posting this morning.
It’s good to hear her side of the story, and we should be particularly pleased that she has clarified things regarding the bill she put in for spending New Year’s Eve (when parliment was not sitting) at the exclusive Carlton Club.
1. She did not stay there that night
2. She speculates that one of her “friends” may have impersonated her and booked a room in her name, charging everything to Mr Dorries’ account
3. Her PA then tried to pass the cost of the freeloading on to the tax-payer
4. She was rumbled by the expenses office so everything is OK
And there we were, thinking something might have been amiss!
I’ve just been reading the background around the decision of Elizabeth Filkin to step down as Commons Standards Commissioner.
In light of recent events – its makes compelling reading and explains a lot of the appalling stuff that is now coming out.
Not enough staff, reduced hours, smears, impossible processes – sounds like the perfect way to keep it all hidden.
No wonder they didn’t want FOI or the Telegragh anywhere near it.
http://plato-says.blogspot.com/2009/05/chickens-come-home-to-roost.html
“We want people in politics who are more like good priests – poor and honest.”
We do indeed, Guido.
Let’s start a new party – Integrity. We could win!
I can’t participate personally, in view of my great age and due to the distant location of my first and only home, but I can offer a few items for the manifesto.
1. MPs’ remuneration. L50,000 p.a. (taxable) Parsimonious reimbursement of documented unavoidable expenses. Hostel accommodation in London for those whose home is outside the M25. No canteen, no bar, and feed yourself and your family at your own expense. Only those who have earned their living outside the public sector for a minimum of ten years, to be eligible to stand.
2. Rigid control of immigration.
3. Building of adequate prison accommodation. All “prisons” to be run as prisons and not holiday camps.
4. The appointment of an Ombudsman, for life, with adequate staff, empowered to appeal any sentence for a crime, which he regards as inadequate, or excessive. (That would make the judges give real thought to their sentencing). Position not open to anyone under 70.
5. No further promotion for any policeman who has not pounded the beat for at least five years.
6. Restrictions on CCTV and speed cameras. All traffic fines to accrue to the Exchequer.
7. Withdrawal from the E.U. – non negotiable.
8. A freeze on Council tax and Government subsidy. Councils will need to curb their expenditure but must collect the rubbish at least weekly and maintain the roads and parks.
9. The absolute banning of payment by “performance bonus” except of sales staff.
10. The revision of banking regulation followed by implementation of regulation.
11. The repeal of all legislation that serves no practical purpose.
If some of you will start it, I promise to come home and vote for you.
Nadine comes across as being very naieve. Maybe she, and the rest, did not try to Malik the system. Having given them the benefit of the doubt our next question is “Do we really need these naieve sorts in Parliament?”
Has anybody seen Damian McBride anywhere?
Hopefully not, the fucking hoon.
Absolutely on the money, Guido.
The Penguin
Yeah, great post.
Yes, but there is another story here, previously mentioned but seems to have slipped under the MSM radar, but reported in the Sunday Express last weekend.
3 days after the shitstorm broke and weeks after notice of the potential debacle was signalled the bastards voted themselves an additional £25.K. PA. EXPENSES can you believe.
Takes the annual expense bill from £93 to £106M. PA.
“This year’s staggering 17.5 per cent rise in expenses was last night (09 May ’09) confirmed by Commons Deputy Leader Chris Bryant.
Parliamentary authorities were unable to give a full explanation for the rise, but officials said an increase in MPs’ staffing budgets and in the cost of pensions would have contributed”
In the current atmosphere, they vote themselves that kind of dough- can’t even specify what it’s for.
Troughing just does not describe it. This is consuming the swill and shitting it back out in our faces. Fucking bastards.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/100092/EXCLUSIVE-MPs-vote-for-16million-more-expenses
Expensive televisions will not buy themselves!
Pingu – another one think you’ll enjoy: Parliamentary Recess
Brown on Andrew Marr tomorrow
Part of the Gordon Brown interview with Mr Marr is being reported here
Seems Brown has been claiming for a lot more on his expenses than he has admitted to.
Ferrero Rochet you oiks!
Please !! Ferrero Rochet ?? Do show a little taste. The sweet of choice for the discerning palate is a Mars Bar, preferably deep fried.
No! No! No! Crates of Alfonso Mangoes (Remember Mittal the richest Indian man on Earth and the Blairs moving to No 10!). I also like Ferrero Rocha, if I could afford them or thought they were good value for my labour.
It’s because the MPs want to keep up with the Jones’s next door, The House of Lords (or Ermine or vermin, I’m not a good speller).
Order! Order!
Blair never moved into 10 Downing Street. He moved into 11 because it was bigger. Remember that the next time the BBC uses moving into 10 Downing Street as meaning became Prime Minister.
Speakee knows a lot of things. Like a golden Cerutti is excellent for signing off on expenses. And why Brown needs to keep me onside!
MPs’ expenses boss had defended the indefensible during a select committe enquiry, it seems when the John Lewis list was discovered. After the latest reform, it will probably be replaced by Harod’s list! So much for self-regulation and arm’s length regulation.
The other thing to consider is what training do these people have? In many cases they’ve never had a job, or have come up off the tools; the only qualification seems to be the ability to open one’s gob at the drop of a hat.
Prime Example
http://www.ewaslabour.org.uk/index.php/ppc/
Not bad looking. If she was canvassing for votes round my way..
I’d give her one.
“a sort of high-powered social worker”.
Yes, and we have the abused children to prove it too ….
You are forgetting the important qualifications that all MPs must have. The ability to be self-opinionated, arrogant and devoid of any sense of embarrassment.
I couldn’t agree more…a few more experienced business people in the House would improve the decision making of Parliament.
Ironic that Benn surrendered his peerage but now presides over a professional political dynasty that believes a 17 year old girl can adequately represent me (a grizzled professional warrior-poet of over fifty summers) in parliament mainly because of her name.
It speaks volumes of the real belief values of Labour (elitism and we know what’s good for you) and the extraordinary ageism that can countenance this idiocy whilst spouting about equality.
I’d like to see a parliament full of cynical old farts with nothing to prove and deeply suspicious of change and “progress”. I’d like to see far less wimmin who have pretty much presided over the emasculation of Englishmen and the creation of a new ‘woose’ class of mummy’s boys who are totally in thrall to their wives grasping ambitions, who think it is OK to cry in public and wipe their tears like a footballer’s wife trying not to smudge their mascara and who confuse fatherhood for motherhood.
There’s no point in trying to fight the wimmin. Especially the lesbians.
We men will never lick ‘em.
I agree.
My 16 yr old son is trying to get to University (don’t even start on the tuition fees…) and before he can even apply to study Dentistry (probably one of the rare jobs that has virtually 100% certainty of even having a job in 10 yrs time, so he can continue to pay for Brown’s corrupt Chancellorship and Premiership),he has to pay £65 to sit an online UKCAT test to examine his abilities on;
numerical and verbal reasoning
decision analysis
abstract reasoning
and finally non-cognitive analysis.
He is 16 yrs old.
In the past 10 days we have heard the Justice Minister Straw suggest himself, that numbers are not his strongest suit and we have heard time after time that “I did not understand the expenses system” or admissions of “sloppy admin”.
How can we allow these utter morons to continue running our lives and making decisions on complex matters when simple admin and simple maths are way beyond them?
Of course,we all know that in many cases,maths is actually their STRONGEST suit; that is,the maths to rip us off to the max!
If I could press a button that demolishes Parliament like an East London ’60′s tower block,I would do it and if could emigrate to any other country to simply “I’m a taxpayer,get me out of here”,then I would.
This – the week of the gravest threat to our Parliament – and all we will see on the TV is that nonentity Brown and his thugs trying to cling to power with any means.
MARCH ON PARLIAMENT, people of this great country – rise up peacefully and demand the dissolution of this rotten govt.
Dr Mick, 207 said: “We men will never lick ‘em.”
Speak for yourself, pal.
Ow mate, if you have any success with the Velchro Sisters then I trust you’ll share the details.
We need Georgis Gould in labour.
Hear, hear, English Liberation Front. Couldn’t agree more.
Papasmurf’s link is astonishing. A 19-year-old woman who knows nothing substantive about anything worth knowing is put forward by the Labour Party to represent … well, whom exactly? Aren’t the Benns something else?
Wedgie Benn is a sort or Reggie Perrin character. Gave up his title and heriditary peerage to become a lowly “commoner” only to claw his way all the back up again to create the heriditary socialist Bennite dynasty.
Some comrades are more equal than others.
Course Davie has got a lot of experience gained in the workplace hasn’t he? just look at his CV. I’m sure he understands the struggles of the average bloke / blokess in the street as much as his champagne socialist oppositites. Oh hang on maybe I’m wrong I’m sure he and Tone and Gordy probably wondered why their Nanny’s room in the attic wasn’t as big and bright and well furnished as their own and this gave them the incentive to right the wrongs (plus the incentive to trouser the expenses!) of society by entering politics
Hear Hear ELF!
Most of the women MPs (apart from Kate Hooe) remind me of all the bossy over-promoted line managers I’ve ever worked for… they get in your way stop you getting on with the work, see another woman as competition (so much for ‘sisterhood’) and seem to have endless time for smarming up to the boss instead of working.
The only women in Parliament who’ve been any good are the battleaxes such as Dunwoody (how she must be turning in her grave), Thatcher and Boothroyd.
111 – papasmurf.
Don’t you just love the darling? All that eager-eyed, up-to-the-minute coolness-and-to-hell-with-English-Grammar, the breathless ‘I-am-a-Chosen-one-Oxford-Olympics-Nobel-Prize-in-Waiting’, to say nothing of the huge eyes: reminds one of the vulgar, vulgar daughters of the ‘Vulgar, Vulgar, Vulgar’ Princess. And I am so into finding out how the poor people live, and, hopefully, working… to ensure that, while their lot is improved, we still maintain a decent financial and fiscal distance between ‘them’ and ‘us’
I completely concur with comments made by 223 – My 16yr old son……..etc.,
I feel so angry, not just for myself and my family, but for the British people who had to suffer 18 years of thatcher and since have had to endure another 10 years
of nulabour. I could cry when I think of the inadequate creatures who have ruled us. Inept, third rate, duplicitous, tribal, and NOW corrupt. We have all suffered
in one way or another particularly from nulabour. Nulabour absolutely stinks! and i totally agree with the contributor as above.
Allan@Aberdeen says:
May 16, 2009 at 11:33 am
“Papasmurf’s link is astonishing. A 19-year-old woman who knows nothing substantive about anything worth knowing is put forward by the Labour Party to represent … well, whom exactly?”
This is exactly what’s wrong with them. Provided their MPs can enter the lobby and vote for Labour party policies they don’t care whether they know anything or not. In fact the lwss thy know and the more unworldly wise they are, the better.
Jesus papasmurf that link!!!!!, Ive seen more substance on my 14 year old daughters bebo page. Are Labour serious ?????
Love that bit about, “I’m not good with injustice or anything I perceive to be unfair.”
Umm, unfairness as in 18 year olds being parachuted into postions of great power and influence, perhaps??
No: according to the enormous brainy talent that is Ms Benn, if you wait till you’re, like, old (eeuuugh, like 55 or something), you’re, like, a bitter old has-been, too ancient to be any use at all.
FFS.
I believe that it is a ‘safe’ (if any seat is safe at the moment) Conservative seat and that she would not be likely to be elected. However in this climate of sleaze, it is entirely possible that she could be elected as a protest against any potential sleaze by the sitting MP.
This is a definite case in ‘insider’ dealing within the selection process. Grooming for a better chance at a safer seat when a bit older. Still, she has not obtained the chance by her own merits but by who she is related to and who Mum, Dad, and Grandad know. Now that is corrupt just as the rest of this money grabbing hoons are doing.
This example, reinforced by such precociously wise MPs as Sarah Teather, makes the case for a minimum age for candidacy to Parliament. I’d reckon that 30 should be the minimum age for all prospective MPs simply because we must have in Parliament people who have done something outside the political bubble. Plus, I’d rule out anyone who has a degree with the word ‘Politics’, and restrict the number of lawyers.
30??????? If you take a University degree, MA, Phd it is entirely possible that you could be 30 before entering the workforce. If such a rule was introduced, 10 years AFTER the person’s full time education has finished or 30 whatever the longest period, would be a better test surely?
“I got into Labour Politics relatively early, first-off with my family from about the age of 2″
Just exactly how “into” politics can you get when you’re still in nappies?
Why are people giving Miss Benn such a hard time?
It is commendable that a young person would be interested in going in politics and for such proper reasons.
She has a problem with injustice and things she perceives as being unfair – she’s heard all about these things first hand from the teachers at the selective schools her oh-so-principled parents sent her to (in the interests of fairness), and now she wants every child in the world (not just those called Benn or Harman) to be able to go to a school like hers. “Its really horrible that rich grown-ups send their girls and boys to fee-paying schools when they could easily get one of the places for poor people at a grammar school”.
She has never used any tax loopholes to avoid paying income tax or CGT, so who better to set taxes for the rest of us?
Admittedly she can’t actually remember what it might be like to live in this country with a different party in power, but she is working hard to catch up by doing a degree in history and at the end of Trinity term she will be able to tell each of us why we need another Labour government to get us through the cluster fuck that her uncle and his friends have overseen.
She got into Labour politics at the age of two. That’s commitment for you.
Her tender years are surely mitigated fully by her huge wisdom (which enabled her at the age of just fourteen to come out in favour of a war that led to the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of people).
She is also level-headed enough to know her limitations, which is why she won’t let anyone rush her into a hasty decision about whether to be an olympic athlete when she grows up.
Her quest for equality is admirable, and, compared to what some of the old Etonians in the Commons were up to at her age, Miss Benn is streets ahead: the propect of having, for the first time, a sitting MP who is also a current member of the Bullingdon Club is one to which we must all look forward.
Lay off Emily, cus she’s lyk really kewl
rofl
she is one smart behind the scenes operator.
Someone else might have described Harriet as being a smartarse but not our Nadine.
Fuck me, Papasmurf – your link is fucking scary. This country is in seriously deep shit if that kind of bollocks is taken seriously. I don’t blame the child – why should we expect her to know any better. But the hoons behind this!!! Gawd help us…
You need to be able to fill expense forms and produce crumpled receipts! Hard enough work which most ordinary workers/taxpayers wouldn’t be aware of, let alone be entitled to as birthright! A law degree also seems to help for half of them.
Amen to that Guido. There’s no shortage of people who are honest and talented and who would make fine MPs.
There’s no need to raise their pay. Three times the average wage, plus all the perks and the honour of serving the nation are more than enough reward – we don’t want people who are in it for the money.
Those MPs who bleat “we would be paid £100,000 if we worked in the private sector” should take their own advice and jolly well get it in the private sector then – there’s plenty of others who are willing and able to serve for the current remuneration plus reasonable, receipted, published expenses.
We need a system of primary elections like in the US, so there are no safe seats for incumbents – we need to keep all politicians on their toes.
The thing is, most wouldn’t be paid £100,000 in the private sector, as mentioned above, most are basically unemployable outside the Westminster Village. Even the old scams like directorships and consultancies* are becoming a touchy issue.
This is what happens when you allow a political class to evolve. As to the comments about electoral reform; take it from someone living under a PR system. It isn’t the answer. Indeed PR is probably even worse for isolating the elected from the electorate.
*”We’ll pay you to sit on our board, but FFS don’t ever say anything. Just let us use your contacts and ability to peddle influence”
The problem is, that unlike most villages, the Westminster Village has more than one village idiot.
“we would be paid £100,000 if we worked in the private sector”
I would say that when you are in a deep hole then it might just be time to stop digging, but the problem there is that the MP’s digging the hole probably claimed for the spade on their expenses.
Who on earth believes that, if we give them yet more money, they won’t still be just as corrupt and dishonest as before? They might have restricted expenses fiddle-potential, but there are still secret bungs, bribes and back-scratching to consider…and now we all know they can’t resist any temptation wiggled in front of them.
This is just MPs saying: “If you don’t give us more, we’ll have no alternative but to take to thieving again”. In other words, ‘bribe us to be honest’.
They are still thinking in terms of bribes. They just can’t seem to help it.
the private sector only pays them a £100k when they are still MPs. Without access to the Westminster Village these idiots are worth 2 green shield stamps……..
25 October 2007
Life after Westminster – what MPs do after leaving office
“There’s nothing so ex- as an ex-MP”, it is often said.
In a major study, a team at the University of Leeds sought to find out whether this is true by asking more than 180 former MPs about aspects of their post-Parliamentary life including how difficult it is to find a job, the support they receive from their political party and how it feels to lose their seat.
The study found some former MPs struggled to find work and many earned less after leaving the House of Commons. Around half of those who did not retire voluntarily from the Commons said it had taken three to six months to find a new job. Just one fifth said they were able to find work immediately or almost immediately. One in seven took over a year to find employment.
http://reporter.leeds.ac.uk/press_releases/current/westminster.htm
“Why are people giving Miss Benn such a hard time?”
Well, could it be because, at her age, she can not have had much experience of life? We have already had a belly-full of career politicians who are still wet behind the ears and who appear to inhabit some kind of parallel universe. I agree that around 30 should be the minimum age at which a candidate can stand – after getting out into the real world and getting their hands dirty doing some real work. Only then will they begin to understand what real people have to endure in the workplace, in business, in raising a family, using the education system and the NHS. Heaven forbid that the present shower should become typical of the type of third-grade politician we will have to endure in the future. We are already much the poorer for this arrangement. NuLiebour have already demonstrated how seriously flawed this is. The university of life will stand them in good stead if the really wish to ‘make a difference’.
Every potential MP should set out their cost, salary, expences and all other total costs, before the electorate prior to election.
If the costs are exceeded, they should have to resign their seat and call a bye election. If the costs are less than set out, the difference should be returned to the exchequer.
The same could apply to Government and political parties, they should set out what levels of tax should be in their manifesto for the life of that Parliament, then if they exceed the promised tax levels, a GE would have to be called and the people decide if any tax increase is acceptable or not via the ballot box.
The existing vote em in and then they do whatever they want system, is useless and an insult to democracy, they have effective carte blanche to abuse the system relentlessly and always do.
Completely agree with I Am Sicks, point. I would support something like that. MPs should have the same mentality as vicars and priests, and have the same level of material comfort too. That’s how you get more honest people into parliament. They should be doing it because they feel it is a calling, not because they want to line their own pockets. Vicars are not in it for money, they do it largely because they want to help people.
It’s a privilege not a right to be serving your country and you are there at the will of the people who elected you. Having said that I don’t hold much hope that things will be better if the Conservatives get in. The only MP I have any time for is Frank Field, he seems to be a very honest and decent person.
Actually, I would add that I don’t want MPs voting for things on my behalf, I want them to debate the issues in parliament and then hold referendums and let the people vote on everything. In effect that is what real democracy is. Real democracy is when you allow the people to vote on every issue, not just once every few years in a GE.
Yes, that is the kind of political reform I want to see. I also think that they should be paid minimum wage and have communal housing when working in London.
Any MP pay review body should include a scientifically significant public survey to find out if the public agree. MP’s must understand they should be answerable us and we should decide how much they are paid.
Whats wrong with council housing why can’t they go on the council house waiting list like the rest of us. Why is it right for me to wait 3 or 4 years for a place to live close to my work and wrong for them. If MP’s lived like the most of the UK population then they would be forced to fix the problems.
We could make them Limited companies, let them fill in the tax forms manage employees, pay both employees and employers NI taxes, the tax system would soon be fixed.
MP’s must get a life and start living like the rest of us.
They should be paid nothing at all.
They should do it out of nothing but public service, like they are always telling us they do.
The MPs of all parties deliberately created the housing boom (and ineviatable bust) because they were ‘flipping’. That is speculating in the property market.
They should get the average wage and hotel expenses when in London.
Move government to Birmingham as it in the middle of our country.
Abolish the Lords and monarchy.
289 – Cassius ‘Abolish the Lords and monarchy…’? Hasn’t nu-labore already done most of that already? Remember in 1997, M.P.s swearing the Oath of Allegiance, with their fingers ostentatiously crossed? Remember Tony Bliar evicting the Hereditaries – in order to what…? Shoe-in a few more Truscotts? – a few more venial, pliable, reliably ‘Labour’ place-men?
Do you really want a Gordon Brown as our Head of State? -Just imagine what the already crumbling Buckingham Palace might be like under his guardianship? Which is preferable, a Head of State who not only has it ‘in the genes’ but who, from a very tender age, has been taught how to react, respond, think, act – FOR THE COUNTRY; or a Head of State, voted for by no-one of his own Party, itself, representing a minority of those voters who could be bothered to turn out to vote, who insists on turning up for public, formal, occasions, improperly dressed: Politician to his fingertips, Statesman/Diplomat…?
Why don’t we employ Polish MP’s after all the Government was keen enough to undermine the skill reward in Britain by allowing Eu workers into the UK to work at the Minimum Wage. On second thoughts why don’t we employ MP’s on the Minimum Wage and get done with it, after all they are only cannon fodder in the lobbies and that could be done by a robot.
I earn more pulling carrots up in Lincoln than I did as a Polish MP. When I applied to parliament for a job there I was turned down as being overqualified (my doctorate in ethics proved to be the tipping point!) Not that we were that innocent in Labourite / Socialist / Communist Poland – All those years we were training the Labour Party in the UK in how to undermine society by developing complex accounting models for claiming expenses- much cheaper than poison in umbrellas!!
The man from RonaldMcDonald on Question Time last Thursday was right.
There is an expenses code that works fine in private sector companies.
Introduce it now in parliament. Make all MPs sign up to it mo more delays.
Let them know the same sanctions apply as in the private sector for any abuse.
Easy, simple and quick.
So why should we wait for endless expensive commissions to report and leaders to meet and MPs to sniffle.
Impose it on them FFS
They work for us. Damn it.
They work for us!!! Since when?
they work us for?
They don’t need to be poor – just honest. Retired Colonels or old maiden aunts will do quite well.
Qualifications:
(1) Over 60
(2) Have done something else significant already
(3) Don’t need any money
I am poor (‘piss-poor’ many say); I am a Priest – honest!
I rest my case.
p.s. Special Offer, this week only: Purgatory – buy 2, get 3 (pay for 2,000 years off, get 3,000); Indulgences – Two for the price of one. This week’s Special Offers:
Annulment – no question asked; Requiems/Burials for suicides/unbaptised – just the usual fee.
Another way might be to ban permanent parties. Let each unit of roughly about 10,000 people elect a representative, for one parliament only. Let them form committees in Parliament to scrutinise legislative proposals and actually devise and discuss laws. No block voting allowed. Back to the basics of agreeing to taxes on behalf of their area and securing redress of grievances. All taxes and government programmes to cease unless renewed by each parliament. Each area to tax itself to pay for it’s representative, so different payments possible. No passing of special laws for themselves. Death for troughers.
Hmmm. Population of UK 65 million (approx.), thus creating 6,500 ‘MPs’??? Even if one were to suppose that half the population would not be enfranchised (age, foreign, etc.) we would still have over 3,000 MPs by this system.
We need to reduce parliament to 200 representatives who by using technology as much as possible to obviate the need for a parliament building.
This is the right time to reduce the pigs numbers; to about half! They are under worked, particularly with the current presidential style of Government where Parliament is often bypassed or used to rubber stamp Brown’s, and previously Blair’s, missives.
Not to mention the EU’s diktats.
Very interesting background with E Filkin I agree
There has QUITE CLEARLY been a criminal conspiracy starting the Speakers Office/Fees Office to massively fraud the British Public…and COVER UP after…it is still going on…
Why not ask E Filkin to carry out the INVESTIGATION ?
Something sensible from Ollie Cromwell on how to deal with miscreants in the commons.
‘It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your
contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and
enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell
your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have
no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience
for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den
of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the
whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone!
So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!’
What do you really expect when you advertise a highly paid job requiring no actual qualifications? John Major became Prime Minister with between 0 and 3 ‘O’ levels. John Prescott became Deputy Leader despite no educational qualifications and no possibility of ever gaining any due to an inability to construct a basic English sentence. Very few indeed have sufficiently high IQs to obtain a science degree. On the whole the general level is that of double glazing salesman.
It’s time MPs were selected exclusively after a successful career in a trade or profession that commands general respect. The present system is busted.
We have had a coup á la Sprngfield when Mensa took over the running of the town. It turned into a kakistocracy.
I, for one, do not welcome our kakistocractic overlords (and over ladies)
I think you are confusing real life with the Simpsons, old bean. I have spent a lifetime working with people who would qualify for Mensa but used their brains to more productive purpose. Parliament is now full of drones who would have great difficulty earning a living without their hands in the taxpayers’ pockets. Not fit for purpose. Wastes of space Mediocre to the core
Mediocracy?
“Cameron has already ordered his troops to stop claiming dodgy expenses”
eh?
thats’s a bit rich coming from dodgy dave, a millionaire who claims housing benefit, innit?
fuck off dave, you’re a fucking fake.
at least cameron’s taken the upper hand! the majority of the electorate are gullible enough to believe him! thats the main thing..even if its not true, thats whats going to help us win.
Thick and a Thief. Must be a Labour politician.
Or a Mekon.
Cameron always struck me as a man of integrity. “Dodgy” Dave smacks of NuLiebor smear.
He will be the next elected PM; that is for sure. How effective he will be, only time will tell. But as sure as eggs is eggs he willb better than that total incompetent, Broon.
dear cripples,
none of you has addressed my point.
dave’s a dodgy motherfucker.
housing benefit for a millionaire like dave?
you must be having a larf. dave’s just a benefit cheat!
please try to keep up with events.
all the worst, your hero,
thick as thieves
not to cameron: are you going to persist in claiming housing benfit from the public purse?
you dodgy fucking c’unt!
enough is enough who is up for a protest in front of parlimant i think its time to tell em whos in da box seat 70 million v 650 odd
the regestration form should state this is the pay! and that is it no expences what so ever you can pick any house you want the tax payer will pay for it for as long as you remain in office when you leave office the property belongs to the state to be reused for the next mp or to be sold thus making money for the taxpayer all these suggestions we get from people who are not politicians just show that simple solutions do exist but the politicians dont want simple answers they want fiddles so yes we have attracted the wrong type of person into politics we need to clear them out and start again
Instead of continuing to tell us which MPs have abused the system, why don’t we see how big, widespread and deep this problem really is, by having the Telegraph simply publish a list of the decent MPs who haven’t abused the system?
For me it’s not about MPs paying back the money they have wrongly spent; in any other profession or walk of life if someone had done this to their employer (regardless of the amount, no matter how big or small) they would be fired instantly. The biggest disgrace is that Cameron and Brown are making their party members pay back their expenses but they are not sacking many of them (only the worst culprits.) This is NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
Any MP who has been caught claiming for things that do not directly help them with their work as an MP should be sacked instantly.
You don’t say to a bank robber “oh well you’ve not stolen that much money and you’ve paid it back, therefore you can continue in your profession.” This is sending out a message that as long as they own up to it and pay the money back, they can continue to be MPs.
Sorry, but I will never ever trust a politician again. Don’t be fooled people, Cameron’s actions (although better than Brown’s) add up to little more than a SOP to the British people. It’s all just spin. If he was really tough and wanted to show he was serious about getting rid of real sleaze from his party, he would sack every single person who has made one dodgy claim on their expenses. Although, he appears tough, as I’ve said above, his actions almost show that he condones his members behaviour. You simply cannot allow anyone to continue being a member of your party or an MP when they have in effect stolen from the tax payer. Wake up people, it’s all a smoke screen! Or do you really believe it is ok for these people to carry on representing you as long as they have paid back what they owe?
I certainly don’t.
the problem with second /third homes started when the main parties decided that no one who lives in your area was fit to represent you so a party favorite is shipped in to represent you someone who knows nothing about you or your area or the needs of its people once elected they spend a token few days a year there before scurring off to some psh london pad if you dont come from a place you should not be allowed to represent it. simple!
Corruption and opportunity for corruption should be eliminated; safeseat scandal should be abolished altogether. At least 10 year residence and full financial probity must be made mandatory. MPs should get the average salary of all his/her constituents plus 2nd class travel passes and travelodge vouchers for the days they have to be in London; no more and no less. Many of their constituents would be making do with much less; many would not even have met or seen an MP except prior to an election. If they are given unlimited powers to dip their fingers in the till or over lucrative salaries and opportunities for property speculation with London properties parliament will attract the wrong kind of people, as is evident now, thanks to the brave whistleblower. It’s extremely sad to see the whole country humiliated in the view of world and no one can say our Govt is any better than others; Supposedly “Honourable” members at the highest level have brought such shame on our country.
This Govt thinks each of us is money launderer even if you want to get your pension to a different bank! But it seems Westminster is a money laundering centre fior MPs; you can present any receipt over £250 and get crisp BoE notes!
If you give them even more money, they will say “Thanks, that’s just what we wanted!” They not only get far too much already, they have also boosted their mouthwatering pensions and severence pays; after all they make their own rules which they want to keep secret; when found out they say “it’s the fault of the rules!” Amazing bigotry and ignorance; still 20% would vote for the status quo!
“!), ELF
I saw Benn as well. It’s difficult to avoid senelity, you know, although they call themselves fathers of the House (of Conmen?) when they become senile. Honestly i can’tb see why BBC pays them the licence payers’ money! Also applies to Stephen Fry! He should disappear for good!
MP role should be unpaid.
Would attract the right sort of gentleman.
Ever since pay was introduced for politicians, there has been corruption on an ever increasing scale
Individuals relying too much on currency to make them happy, and not the fulfilment of the job they are doing to try and set this country right.
Yah the sort that claim for moat cleaning, porticos, tree surgery and gardening!!!
Thanks but no thanks.
vol’tr
the risk is we will get labour tw6ts like you in power
if we pay.
Any chance of some bright spark being able to reveal Matthew Parris’ expenses when he was an MP? He seems to be spending an inordinate amount of effort in defending this as just a storm in a teacup. Similarly that oleaginous piece of shit – Portillo!
Modest basic pay plus a “marginal seat supplement” that reduces sharply according to the size of the majority
Free travel to and from their constituency..and that’s all.
London accommodation….blocks of flats..some have suggested the Olympic village when it becomes redundant.
A fixed amount for office equipment…for the life of the parliament…eg. £5000 for the five year term and no more.
No payments for council tax, gardening, food (we all have to eat) nothing else.
They’ve certainly turned fiddling expenses into an Olympic sport!
Here we are at the start of the 100m flip race;
Lane 1; Geoff Hoooon
2; A Darling
3; D Chaytor
in fact we have had to widen the track to fit more competitors and we shall be having 25 heats.
Unfortunately,the Gold medal will not be gold,as the moron Brown sold it all off at the lowest possible price.But we do have Kaufman’s £8,500 TV and a massage chair from Peckham (or is it Dewsbury?) to encourage the most flips in 100 metres.
Over to the long jump and the queue of competitors now reaches out of the stadium and down to the nearest cash point machine where a kettle of police await to escort you home….
Sounds enjoyable, problem is are they going to spend £400,000 on a logo for those Olympics too?
I understand that there are 19 BARS AND RESTAURANTS which are for the sole purpose of feeding our greedy pigs in the HOC.So why do they get £100 a week for food.?This makes a mockery of what ugly old hag Beckett stated the other night on Question Time when she said she had to go to ‘restaurants’ to eat.She intimated that was why she needed the 100 quid.Would like to know how much a three course meal (plus a bottle of wine) is in one of these subsidised eateries.Does Guido know?
People in the “Real World” pay for their food out of after tax income.
Maybe pay them at minimum wage ?
Yup a pay rise of 7p an hour in prospect!!
They would only raise it to £150K/annum…
Don’t allow them to set their own pay, nor to set up fake ‘independent’ bodies with guidelines set at excessively high levels. Maybe allow payment at or below average wage, or let each area decide what it will pay it’s own MP’s and councillors through it’s local council tax. No expenses.
Very well written Guido.
I still sit by my phone waiting for the call to once again lead this great country of ours.
I am “a born again hoon”
Polly is on fine but changable form over in the guardian. She is waiting on some fella called Johnston to step up to the mark.
What if he doesn’t fancy her?
She needs a clit-peg not a nose-peg.
Clit-peg AND butt-plug … and a pair of rolled-up football socks stuffed in her gob.
President Blairs: cometh the hour; cometh the expenses shredder.
I am a ‘porn again and again’ hoon!!
They don’t even deserve the 64k they get now. It’s an old one,” but least dick turpin wore a mask”
Thieving shits. At least we luvved r mather!
I wish some of our ‘honourable’ members would wear one.
Talking of people for whom it might be appropriate to wear a mask:
Ann’3 sacks of spuds’ Widdicombe was whining in the Indie yesterday:
‘Who is suppossed to cut my lawn then, the cat?’
As that smug horse faced bitch on Dimbo’s Show said t’other night:
‘The public really do not understand’
1. Doris shouldn’t wear a mask, but a carrier-bag.
2. If she can’t cut her grass herself, why doesn’t she get a goat? Come to think of it, she’s got my goat already, so he can eat her fucking grass.
Margaret Beckett needs to, she should have her own health warning. Jesus shes rough.
Pay rise? Which planet do this lot live on? The rest of us have to take pay cuts, higher taxes and higher prices thanks to the increases in the fuel duties and they want a pay rise? Time to bring out the pitchforks and the tar and feathers and teach them a lesson if you ask me!
Bayonet practice. Please form an orderly queue.
the current freeloaders seem to forget completly that they have a seat becaause of the public and their position is one of trust public loyalty and honour of service.
Not the pusuit of celebrity, sex, self importance and the theft of monies from the peoply they claim to serve.
Down with the lot of them may the plague on both house’s be a virilent and all consuming one
gods speed guido
they have conned the public compleatly you no longer vote for someone to represent you because the party picks the candidate he could live in another country as with all these scotch mp’s (who can sway voting on things that effect you but our mp’s dont get a say in scotland ) they will know nothing about you and he doesn’t care he will probably be a party favorite who lost his seat in another area so is shipped into a “safe”area to stand so he can repark his arse next to his chums which leaves you no choice but to vote for a party not a person : people used to go into politics to make a difference to the people in their area : now they are career ploiticians hell bent on making as much money as they can in as short a time as possible after all you might only have a job for 5 years!
Not to mention the second jobs and other appointments that many MPs legitimately hold. Non-exec directorships, perhaps a seat in the Scottish parliament to add to his Westminster salary.
Illegitimately hold, you mean.
Man cannot serve two masters.
Agree with #40. The devil finds work for idle hands, etc.
If they were paid an hourly rate – minumum wage of course- they could only be clocked on in one place at a time. No charging time to boozing and bullshitting. No payment unless they can show they made substantial original contributions to discussion of legislation. Party hacks to be banned. No payment when Parliament is not sitting.
Gordon, you are right (I mean that in a non-political sense, of course!): being a Member of Parliament was never a ‘full-time’ job until Harold Wilson’s time; until then, the House had people in it who knew about the World-outside-Politics: Barristers rushed from the courts (where, if they had no knowledge of it before, they certainly gained knowledge of and insight into all sorts of ways of life), Financiers came in, whose main income was earned by their perpetual attunement to what was going on in the money-world, Country-gents ambled in, knowing exactly, and poignantly, what the effects of movements in the price of cattle, sheep, or milk might mean; Union men came in (not mere apparatchiks, or M.B.A.s: men who had spent years on the production-line…) able to exemplify and articulate both what was happening, and what might happen if…
Then, of course, there’s the ‘E.U.’ (Presumably ‘Community’ was dropped when it was realised that a community entails common ideas, attitudes, morals, laws, feeling of kin-ship): vote for us, you have no choice; vote for us and we will extinguish the last glimmers of your freedom.
Like Donald Dewer, and his Lordship, Msp George Foulkesake ( Old lady and police assaulter, and at least 1 other job )…. ( drunk and assault)
Adam Ingram MP East Kilbride. 5 directorships total per annum appx £173,000.
2 with companies involved with Libyia.
John Reid, Lanarkshire, Chairman of Celtic FC . Main shareholder Dermot Desmond involved many companies including (ID cards ) . Reid 2 directorships regards security (Desmonds Companies) worth 2x£ 50,000 per annum appx..
Both involved at the highest level in a Liebour Government sending our boys over to the middle east where many have lost their lifes. This lowlife making a good few bob at the same time..
Mr Salmond : 1 of his salaries set up a charity ( transparent ) Monies going to good causes in the NE Scotland. This charity was set up as quickly as humanely possible when becoming Scotlands First Minister..
Donald Dewer another Labour millionaire.
Adam Ingram has risen from a council property in EK to a big, big house in a rich part of the town… No wonder.. Monkeys with red rosettes must be proud of him as many of them are on the minimum wage.
Companies paying reasonable wages shut up shop and reformed under a different name and then offered previous staff the minimum.. Yup Labour called that a success…. Maybe for some ?
The Labour Party should be investigated as a serious criminal organisation. Bureaucrats who truckled to it should be treated as accomplices.
Too right. It did make me laugh on This Week, when first someone said “people don’t go into politics for money (yeah right), much head nodding from Diane Abbot and Portillo bleated about how impossible it is to live on nearly £70k per year (tell that to people who work a damn sight harder than you). Then Portillo brought up the issue of outside jobs and Abbot looked extremely concerned. Well she does get a very juicy salary for her weekly appearance on This Week, doesn’t she?
So on the one hand they try to convince us that getting paid more than 99% of people isn’t the way to a fast buck; then they get all precious about deserving their expenses and their outside interests which they only get because they are bloody MPs.
And at the same time they try to convince us they go into politics because of high-blown principles, the public good! You couldn’t make it up. Their sense of entitlement is simply grotesque – particularly when so many people are now struggling in a recession and with negative equity directly due to their policies.
These idiots are either completely deranged and deluded or intentionally greedy, scoffing, thieving bastards. Actually, in the case of many like Saint Blair, they are probably both.
well said here here
NuLabour’s obsession with terror and surveillance has caused saturation coverage of the country with CCTV cameras. Someone asked me the other day what would be the commission to somebody even if it’s only £1 a camera! Blair stopped SFO investigation into BAe slush fund of £millions (£100m to a Saudi prince in the USA for his new palace – housing allowance in the Saudi Diplomatic service).Compared to all these, MPs’ £93m – now increased to £106m per annum ACA allowance looks small change. Graft and corruption is endemic and they get irate when they are found out. Remember Mark Thatcher was entitled to the commission on military aircraft sales to Saudi).
Base their pay on that of TV presenters….oh!
I speak Mandarin Chinese you know. I’m worth every yuan.
Perhaps you mean renminbi, you dozy mare.
Wouldn’t mind giving you yuan myself, Carrie dear.
Top marks for answering the Foulkes question though – pulled the rug from under him – just like the male reporter (Nicholas Jones was it?) who did the same to Bernie Ecclestone during Tobaccogate – back when we were led by a man who considered himself “a pretty straight sort of guy”. Whatever happened to such honesty?
Perhaps she doesn’t. Renminbi is the currency such as Sterling, Yuan is the unit like Pound.
Saying I’m worth every Sterling (Renminbi) doesn’t sound quite right, does it?
I knew I’d get something right, sooner or later.
I apologise and withdraw. It was an unforgivable oversight. I feel terrible.
Cant Kukri.. i hope you wiped on the BBC curtains after you withdrew you man? theres a good chap
Oh you hard hearts
you cruel men of Rome
Tony is a pretty, straight sort of guy
who was into Cherie as four offspring will prove
and not into Mandleson
She should not have stopped there; she should have told him that it was a commercial rate. She is a very bright person and can easily change jobs if she wanted to. What about Foulkes and MPs one wonders! Most are thick as a plank; just watch them deliberate when a scientist gets a Nobel Prize; its truly hilarious. All those bullies say is ‘you don’t know how the Parliament works’. She should have told him she got a commercial rate and could move to another broadcaster if she wanted to. Foulkes proved that he’s no better than that other chap, Malik. Disgusting.
Beef
Beef Curtains
more interesting than the Chintz rubbish that Jacqui Smith got.
A good reporter is worth a lot more than a dodgy politician, now the only question is if the reporter is any good.
bothams pithch reports are the best i have heard
Ay opp, Freddie lad, yow on a steeky weekeet there lad!
How many of these honourable ladies and gentlemens actually earn just the basic MP allowance? I thought that many were lawyers, accountants etc(Ha Ha Ha). I find it hard to believe that they do not carry out some consultancy services. After all I am just a lowly painter and decorator but have a doctorate in neuroscience!
Just the fella! I have some matter that needs painting grey.
Sorry, my engagement book is laready full on whitewashing jobs
Where oh Where do we place the first barracade?
Not too far from the nearest lamp post…
Regents Park area…
Near Mandy’s Palace…
Well equipped please…
And where is Blair’s £5 Million Palace ?
Cumberland Place I think ??
Just the suggestion that they are entitled to a pay rise makes my blood boil. If the money isn’t good enough then do somthing else. Who the bloody hell do they think they are. Career politicians just toe the party line and nod through government policies anyway. As we have seen with this government with disastrous effect.
@16 There’s the rub, they can’t do ‘something else’; they’re thick, lazy, thieving wastrels. I mean, just who the hell would employ them in the real world!!
They could substitute for lab rats and monkeys in medical experiments and so serve both humanity and the animal kingdom.
Banksters employ them as consultants. That’s why no banker has been held to account. Blair gets $5m from JPMorgan Chase (RBS of USA) and UBS as a kind of Grace and Favour for giving the banksters free run during his regime. Brown will also be Bankster consultant/Director next year, maybe IMF , WB or ECB! Ina sleazy way politicians are very clever; what they lack is integrity and concern for poor voters.
Any rise in salary should be modest and based upon a reduction of MP numbers and therefore overall costs.
Don’t forget the 18 weeks that Parliament doesn’t sit when MPs seem to have no defined obligation to work.
Salaries, perks and pensions are paid 52 weeks a year and voters have every right to expect 48 productive weeks work from their MP.
We believe that reform must include a Job Specification which covers all these matters and the extent, if any, to which MPs are permitted to join in the prevalent overseas jollies.
We must hold firm on all these matters and not merely grant salary increases even if the current commission recommends them.
I agree MPs are grossly overpaid. £30,000 would be more than generous and more than many of them are worth.
On another topic, we were promised suicides and divorces when MPs expenses were released. So where are they? A couple of dozen suicides would definately make my weekend and save us the trouble of stringing them up from the nearest lampost!
To be entirely honest i do feel that it would take a couple of decent, honest suicides to win this one back in the eyes of the public. And I am not joking, I was thinking this last night: what could possibly be done to resolve this, really? Suicide was the only thing that came into my head for those MPs.
Quick deselections and sub subsequent elections were a poor second, but a useful second.
suicides ? well these were a manifesto commitment and therefore not a legitimate expectation
I just don’t know what to do next.
I’d kill myself, but I can’t screw up the courage.
Gordon, you could always read a book on courage – there might just be a few copies lying about your office.
So long as they were genuine suicides, not like John Stonehouse (left his underpants on a beach and ran away to live with his mistress in Australia). They are all mouth and trousers (our trousers).
Gordon, what do you mean, you ‘can’t screw up the courage’? You managed to screw up everything else with no problem.
Go for it, please….
Let’s hope Brown’s next You Tube shows him commiting hara-kiri like a man of courage apologising to the country for his failure. Not much chance of that.
It looks Gordon has given up; he knows he’s been found out that he’s not a world’s saviour nor a leader but a trailer behind Cameron.
Here,let me, you criminal,it will be painless,like your economic policies
http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Czech_Republic/Hlavni_Mesto_Praha/Prague-400455/Things_To_Do-Prague-Torture_Museum-BR-1.html
A junket trip the taxpayer would pay for, a trip to the torture museum for MPs who get the lucky if not forced chance to try the stuff out. All paid for quite kindly by the UK taxpayer!
This (and the previous) Govt has acquiesced with knife crime; therefore wouldn’t the honourable Japanese’s medicine – HaraKiri be more appropriate? We’re not short of those wanting to be MPs; moreover, why do we need 600+ mPs and 700+ MyLuds and all those Assembly members on top and innumerable Quangoes (maybe all with sticky fingers; we’re short of whistleblowers, not MPs!); One MP per county would be quite adequate.
MPs are paid over twice the median London wage. That’s enough to pay for two homes.
If they were to be paid for the work they actually do, then all they would be able to afford would be a des res cardboard box.
Hi Guido, as much as I hate your style and tone and this blog generally, you are right about MPs pay. I think they should not be paid more than teachers, teachers have to show leadership, inspire, create a learning environment, be respectful and adjust to different audiences etc etc etc.
Bearing that in mind then I think MPs are probably about 30k over a good teachers salary as well as social workers. This whole allowances scandal, well what can I say, disgraceful.
Then what the fuck are you doing here?
The Penguin
It’s a love to hate thing.
Slumming I dare say.
Your own link is the epitomy of crapness.
Democratic SittingontheFencism? I nodded off halfway through the first sentence…
Sigh, so “democratic centrist” is yet another way to say “sanctimonious state-worshiping leftist fuckwit”.
That’s a bit of a mouthful, and i don’t do mouthfuls. Besides, that’s such an arsey comment i reckon you were conceived via anal sex….like many on here!
Forget a standard rate; they should, like Guido, the Tuscan and many others be considered as independent traders, so when they make their pitch to the electorate for the job their proposal manifesto should include their own personal requirement for remuneration
Good idea.
Each candidate puts in an offer for the contract to do the job( description provided), to represent the constituency.
Indeed, with service standards (attendance) and binding commitments to change/leave alone/whatever. You could even build in bonuses for jobs done. the chief of police spot should be put on the same basis, as in the US of A.
In a perverse kind of way this whole debacle may be a good thing as far as independents go, we don’t won’t the american system of only two parties. That’s really is being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
A 2nd MP has been caught fiddling a phantom mortgage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5332053/David-Chaytor-and-the-phantom-13000-mortgage-claim-MPs-expenses.html
David Chaytor, Labour MP for Bury North
£13,000 claimed for mortgage that had already been paid.
Oh come on, be fair, it must be hell trying to keep track of your mortgage when you are shuffling between 5 properties in 4 years of troughing and tripping.
The Penguin
He actually claims it was a mistake, knowlingly stealing money that didnt belong to him isnt a mistake its theft pure and simple theft.
Yes, Cassandra. A mistake is doing 150mph on a motorway.
Come on, Cassandra, that’s like Ronnie Biggs claiming he and his mates were only trying to flag down the train so thy could get home from the pub and they only took the money home because they mistakenly thought the cash boxes were theirs.
A mistake is becoming too greedy and getting caught.
His mistake was thinking he would not get found out.
Strange how these ‘mistakes’are always in their favour! Statistically improbable I would have thought.
Isn’t the common man always told that ignorance is not a defence. They really think they are above the law – and it appears they bloody well are.
Because people ‘feel entitled’ to have what they want when they want it, and if they can’t get it for free, ‘they’ll steal it.’
It was about Sony’s relationshio with the interwebby thingy but it works here to!
Would I be correct in assuming that if Chaytor and Morley were to have re-mortgaged their properties as Bliar had done they would have less to answser for,when we the tax payer would have continued to have paid said mortgage,when is Bliar to be brought to task for this.
didn’t realise he had paid off his mortgage ????
when i paid my last mortgage installment (from taxed income and no allowances) after some 35 or so years, the whole neighbourhood heard the cry of joy
still m.p.’s are ‘so busy’ said m beckett unlike us proles
Me too but that was because I was paying off my mortgage myself out of taxed earnings. If someone else is reimbursing it then you might become a little blasé about it. However I have never met anyone, ever who is not meticulous about submitting expense claims. You give more thought to preparing expenses that to any other aspect of your job because you know exactly what’s going out and you want to ensure that you get it all back.
Doesn’t interest on mortgages vary or depreciate over time? Is he telling us he didn’t monitor this? Why didn’t the Fees Office smell a rat?
well, on telly other day someone was saying that they had to produce their annual mortgage statement to the fees office every year presumably to prove they still actually had a mortgage, good idea, so why the hell didnt the fees office ask the question “where the fuck is your mortgage??”
thiving troughing hoon MPs they may be, but what the hell are the fees office doing exactly??
soon as the last theiving twat MP is swinging from the lamposts i suggest another bath of piano wire for this bunch as well…
The Fees Office seems to have been browbeaten by theiving MP’s and under the control of the Chief Trougher himself, Mr. Speaker.
80 – Cassandra King
How dare you, how very dare you!
Don’t you know that we M.P.s are above, and therefore exempt from:
The Law of Supply and Demand
The Law of Theft
The Law of Perjury
The Law of Gravity (what goes up, must come down)
The Law of Boom-&-Bust (what goes up, must come down)
The Law of ever-decreasing Returns
The Laws of the Medes and the Persians (‘which knoweth no alteration’)
The Law of The Jungle.
And, by the way, we are working on The Law of not-being-Voted-for.
He must have thought after all he was a Labour MP priding on his social conscience and wouldn’t be found out! They’re only sorry because they were ‘outed’.
Lets introduce performance related pay – linked to the success of the economy, reduction in crime, better educational standards achieved and proper care of the elderly. Let them then have their expenses signed off by a panel of constituents and the expense claims pinned up outside of their offices and in the London Gazette
The trouble with performance related pay is that somebody has to assess the performance.
In the civil service performance related pay has simply become an arse licking contest.
What makes it worse is that no-one will stand up and say to their boss that proposals or instructions are either impractical, unethical, illegal, immoral, counterproductive, or all of the above, because they will pay for expressing that opinion.
The whole of the Public service is full of arse licking, spineless, careerists who even in the unlikely event that they had any independence of thought they would never express it . Welcome to the world of the Borg, assimilate, resistance is futile !
Here’s a suggestion. When standing for election, each candidate should specify the salary and (maximum) expenses they would require to do the job. Then the voters can make their decision on which candidate would offer the best value for money when they vote. MPs who are good at their jobs should still be able to claim a fair whack, while lazy troughers could be undercut by newcomers who want to demonstrate their abilities.
Moley,
Competent and knowledgeable people have long given up bothering to say that policies are impractical etc because their views are dismissed as “resistant to change”,”not solutions-focused” or some similar bullshit. They are then sidelined so that some fully signed-up party member can be brought in on a consultancy contract or on secondment from a New Labour friendly organisation. This enables those in charge to get round all that equal opportunities recruitment policy crap which only applies to the little people.
Let the electorate decide! I’ll say yes to Dave’s even without being held against the radiator
I disagree fundamentally. The general calibre of our MPs is lamentable. Able and honest people without private means don’t regard current pay levels as anything like enough to compensate for the disruptive and uncertain life, prospects dependent on sucking up to the Whips, risk to family relationships, ridiculous hours (even after partial reforms), mostly uncongenial colleagues, need to cater to petty demands of constituents whose problems should be dealt with by local councillors and social workers, and requirement to toe often obnoxious party line if parliamentary career is to last longer than one parliament. Higher pay, as recommended by long line of independent salary review bodies and vetoed by prime ministers scared of Murdoch, would attract better quality MPs who would be more independent and might even turn out to be capable ministers. Net cost to taxpayers after abolition of expenses allowances: close to zero. Benefit to nation: potentially huge.
Final clincher: under-paying MPs risks going back to having as MPs only those with private means (moats, etc.). No, thanks.
Brian
http://www.barder.com/ephems/
Pay them for what?
I would do it for nothing and do a better job , plus I would buy my own lunch.
Wanker
Following your logic you would have to persuade all current MP’s to resign ( and not just put themselves up for re-election) as you accept they are all lamentable.
Even if you could persuade them to do this, all you would get is them being replaced by another tranche of incompetent lecturers, trade unionists, local govt workers and lawyers, so we would still be no better off.
How the feck are they by any measure underpaid? This is the great delusion MPs pedal, that somehow their job is somehow hard. Try working on an Oil Rig and see what happens to your family life, or being a Nurse or an actual Social Worker. MPs are in the top 1% pay bracket for doing one of the top 1% cushiest jobs.
Hear hear.
Sorry but if constituents problem can be solved by local councillors and social workers what the fuck do we need these freelodaing parlimetarian fuckers for?
Good point, even when I assisted at surgeries for my then neigbouring Mmember of Parliament most issues were better dealt with by Councillors than the MP as they have more legal rights over the Local Authority.
High pay for Members of Parliament has encouraged the political careerist. If the basic pay was HALVED, ther would still be the same number of applicants to the Party lists.
MPs need to be paid a much lower basic, and then money for work they do on legislative and standing Committees. Something I suggested right at the very start of this.
http://thebigotbasher.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/lessons-learnt-in-brent-apply-to-parliament-pay-mps-less-not-more-if-you-want-to-get-rid-of-corruption/
Latest news: Police have doubled their salary looking for terrorists and WMD perhaps.
“need to cater to petty demands of constituents…”
Alan Clark, thou shouldest be living at this hour, England (am I still allowed to say that, England?) hath need of thee.
Constituents! The scum who have actually put me In Office! Expect me (ME, for heaven’s sake!) to deal with their ill-considered, and illiterately expressed requests? What are Local Councillors for, for Heavens’ sake? – Don’t answer ‘swanning off on ‘twinning-tips.’.
I was born, bred, and educated, for better things than this, being at the beck and call of all those loathsome ‘people’ who crowd into my ‘Office’ in that banal little town of… wherever it is: all I know is, it’s at the end of a bone-rattling journey by rail (First Class isn’t what it was…).
Still, I suppose, I can go through with it, smiling, cutting ribbons, standing next to those odious Mayors, smiling, knocking on doors, being welcomed politely…
I don’t think they will get much polite welcomes for a while! Has anyone researched what problems these people solve for which constituents; many people haven’t met their MPs all their lives.
It’s a vocation. It should be an unpaid position. the job will still attract power crazy wannabes.
I don’t have a problem with MPs earning £125 k if the rest is all above board. It might even help to attract a better quality of candidates.
HOWEVER if this was out in the real world, a private business would pay for this by reducing the number of MPs by 40-50%. Basic efficiency.
Since our Westmisnter MPs have passed their powers increasingly to Europe and regional assemblies there is in any case little justification for having so many, since there is less and less for them to do.
For the cycnics this is proof TURKEYS VOTE FOR CHRISTMAS , although one could argue perhaps they were too stupid to realise what they had done before it was too late.
No it will not, it will attract a greedier quality of candidates. The idea that Greed = Merit is a delusion that should only be held by bankers.
Really ?
Your annual pay reviews must be fun to watch !
Or have you been reading Das Kapital recently ?
Despite the current mood of voter self-righteousness, the current scandal is simply showing the MP job role has changed and needs to be redefined. There just isn’t the need for 646 of them and they’re filling their time fiddling expenses. Have fewer of them, make them productive with their time and pay them properly – it’s what any private organisation would do.
If they all have depend on the second job then it’s back to feudalism and the block vote.
I have turned down a pay rise for the last three years on my second job because the charity I work for cannot afford it.
MPs role has not changed, its always been a job that takes up few hours because it has to be part time so that they can have proper jobs (For example, being a minister).
“…We want people in politics who are more like good priests – poor and honest…”
But able to keep their privates out of the junior support staff, obviously.
oxymoron surley !!
More privates in the House.
ooh i say, what a splendind idea, Hear Hear
Freeloading bloated parasites with a bloated sense of entitlement and nothing but contempt for the ordinary voter they rule over and look down on, the Westminster bastards are NOT sorry they wear their fake hair shirts and pay small lip service to putting things right, but the fact is that they are trying to bury this ASAP they will keep on thieving and selling us out.
NOTICE TO THE ORDINARY VOTER: the commissar class hates and despises you all, you are merely serfs and piggy banks to them, if they didnt need you to slave for them they would happily exterminate you all, they fucking hate you and they are laughing at you, and the worst thing is that people know it and they will still vote these vermin back to their places at the pig trough.
The commissars are pissing themselves laughing at YOU as you work yourself into an early grave battered and strangled with ever more draconian and petty laws, the commissars have very nearly built themselves a commissar paradise where they enjoy perpetual power while the lower orders shut up and eat the shit they give you every day.
PUNISH THE PIGS OR THEY WILL PUNISH YOU!
Who is going to organise a march on parliament?.
Oh! where is the yankee ‘orange’ revolution money when you want it?
As you say Cassandra.
Forget Cromwell; we need someone more like Genghis Khan to make a pyramid of MP’s heads, and then let him move on to the EU and the UN.
I’ll be there.
Guido, you pick social workers. BUT why not show what young soldiers get! those that are on the front line ‘cannon fodder’ £16K !!!!
Now I suggest that ALL Members of Parliament must have experience of military life and prospective MP’s must sign up for four years fighting for the Queen and Country. Then they can stand for Parliament.Joking aside, We can no longer tolerate the professional politician. All would be politicians MUST have experience in the real world. NOT School, College, University. Teacher training college. School! They must have had a full time job with real people.
ANOTHER poor soldier blown up this morning in Afghanistan, in a vehicle NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE. But MP’s have been far too bloody busy lining their pockets to concern themselves about the safety of our troops. THIS is a bloody disgrace and every single member of parliament should hang their bloody heads in shame. THEY HAVE THIS YOUNG MAN’s BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS!
Perhaps Guido. It should be BLOODGATE!
i totally agree ALL MPs should have worked in a proper job i.e NOT as political researcher or similar, before being allowed to stand for Parliament.
I would not allow ex Council workers to stand as I don’t think working for another publicly paid body is any experience of real life, but that’s a personal prejudice.
Not sure about making them join the Army before becoming an MP but it would focus their minds on the need for decent equipment.
I would go further, if you cannot hold down a proper fucking job while also being an MP, you should not be able to hold the post. It would also solve their alleged money issues.
It should be like jury service -running the country does not need to be a political activity -after all they have fucked it royally.
Let’s relocate Parliament to Helmand Province. As one who took part in the Falklands and did three tours of Northern Ireland,this shower of shit should be used for target practice. Put me down for a place in the queue.
Benefit cheats are stealing money from every household in Britain. Sadly, many of our MPs have become welfare-dependent benefit scroungers. Through years of government inaction, they have become intractably mired in the claimant culture, unable or unwilling to change their ways.
If you know of an MP that’s claiming benefits to which they’re not entitled, call the National Benefit Fraud Hotline on 0800 854 440 today. Your call will be treated in the stictest confidence and you don’t even need to leave your name.
BENEFIT CHEATS: WE’RE CLOSING IN ON YOU.
have you seen the new benefits chaet advert?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/dirtydubber/benefit.jpg
Strance: I love it! It had to be done sooner or later. Thanks for the link!
Caught they one £85 million spent
I have written to my MP twice over problems with Government Departments.
Up until the point of writing to the MP I had written, applied, appealed etc with the department over the proble.
Enter MP, who asks me to write to him with details of the probl;em. Duly done. He then writes to said Government Department. Said department replies in the aforesaid manner that they had already. MP copies replies send it to me with tag in his letter “Sorry” not what you want to hear. There is nothing more I can do.
Decrease their wages and do not give them ANY expenses other than getting to and fro their constituencies. They can live in a hotels where the said hotels will contract directly with Fees Office and best deal gets the contracts.
Being an MP should be a vocation not a profession.
£30k a year all in seems about right to me.
The argument that they are equivallent to a Headmaster a GP or a solicitor and should therefore be paid the same holds no water. As an MP can be a bin man a burger flipper a human rights lawyer a TV personality …An MP can be anyone from any walk of life.
This is how iit should be, the last people we needas MPs are career politicians such as the Balls, Blairs, Camerons, Osborns and so on.
Keep the pay relatively low or the House of parliament WILL be full of career Politicoians who believe they can earn a top wage all their working lives just sitting, talking and thinking about things…This is not supposed how it is to be.
Their pay should be linked to the average level of pay in the country. That might give some incentive to worry about other people.
Another possibility might be to only pay an MP what he or she can prove to have been earning in a real job – (outside government sector).
Best comment yet. MPs go on about how they are servants of the people. Those who really do serve us put their lives on the line. Without wishing to insult front line soldiers by the comparison, I think that it would be fair to give them the pay and allowances a frontline soldier gets.
It’s just a pity they’ve knocked down Chelsea barracks, they could live in soldier’s accommodation too. However, I’m sure her Majesty would donate a small part of one of the Royal Parks to build some new barracks for her dishonourable members.
How about a bit of Green Park…….with an entrance on CONSTITUTION Hill ?????
Or there is a suitable area in St James Park off Birdcage Walk.
Indeed there are the barracks at Wellington Barracks, or the Horse Guards Barracks at Knightbridge.
all suitable for dossing down overnight.
Lets get the loafer out of Clarence house and turn it into a doss house.
Don’t forget what he screwed us for redecoration.
Bull – when parliament used to be run so that members could work properly in the mornings parliament had far more power. Now so much has been taken by the EU (and that every major party keeps talking about giving power to councils, the public etc) we can make their job part time and encourage them to work in other areas as well. We get MPs with outside experience and we get to pay them less – it’s win-win for us, if not for them.
Yeah, idealism is a great thing. Can’t wait to see such political philosopher monks in action. You’d end up loathing them even more. What adds more stink to this expenses business is the endless huffing and puffings generated by the Great British Public during one their periodic fits of moral outrage. Plus journalists pretending to be knights on shining armour, seriously, just look at them, oink. The whole thing is gruesome. Still, I could always take refuge in the little family cottage in Eire, no mickey mouse politics and swindles there to dig deep into. Hmmm
It is precisely because the Great British Public have not been huffing and puffing that these shysters have been getting away with it for so long. They’ve kept it well hidden with the aid of a compliant press. The internet has buggered all that.
Are you kidding? A pal of mine who lives in Dublin tells me that corruption in the government there is indemic and long-established. He also tells me that (for some curious reason) the Irish people have a sneeking admiration for the way their leaders are able to squirrel black money away right, left and centre. Perhaps our MPs should sod off to Ireland where they would be better appreciated for what they are: grubby crooks and liars.
Are you sure that it is not Belfast?
They are referred to as onoB over there.
Are you for real? Clearly part of the stinking pit that is the HoP.
excellent piece Guido. Couldn’t agree more. The problem is, especially with Labour MP’s, that most of them have never had a “proper” job. They don’t understand the stresses and strains of business. I’m a director of a well run company, but like everyone else i speak to in the same sector, we have seen reductions of between 20-25% in turnover this year. So what do we do? We rely on the money we set aside in the good times. We predicted 2009 would be harsh, and adapted our production accordingly, and we all took a pay freeze. Expenses have to be justified – and as with every business, a receipt for each item claimed is a given. And of course we will all have to work longer since Brown stole our pensions in 1997. Having taken swift and appropriate action, we are still profitable and will come out of the recession in good shape. But it is, and will continue to be tough. So to hear MP’s bleating about a pay rise, when they have been caught with their hands in the public till makes me furious. Most of them (again Labour MP’s) couldn’t get a job in the private sector if they tried. Many are unable to string together a coherent sentence. So i agree totally with the priest analogy. Hair shirts should now be mandatory in Westminster.
There is a growing argument regarding MPs accomodation which is beginning to be unassailable in my opinion.
I accept that MPs should have somewhere to live/stay near Westminster but I do not agree that this should be a “second home”. We should as a matter of urgency start finding an appartment block(which if needs be Parliament can lease on long term – there surely must be ample vacant apartments at present within London).Each MP not living within say 10 miles of Westminster should be allocated an apartment on election to Parliament(this can be equipped with computer and broadband etc which the Commons authorities pay direct)on which they retain throughout their tenure at Westminster.There will be an initial allowance of £x(with set limits on items such as TVs etc – no more plasma TVs at £700 plus)to decorate and purchase furnisihings which remains the property at all times of Parliament although MPs can elect to purchase certain items at the end of their tenure less depreciation.This allowance will be paid at the outset of each Parliament or if a MP is elected during a Parliament’s existence.Maintainance will be paid for directly by Parliamentary authorities – a MP will have no financial involvement. A MP can choose to take up the offer of this accomodation or not but if they do not they will be responsible for purchasing a second home themselves with no assistance from the tax-payer and they will be unable to claim expenses even coucil tax or electricity as they have chosen to not live in accomodation provided. I have no wish to make the accomodation spartan but equally in should be of a modest but acceptable standard.
As regards salary increases in the present climate this argument is not acceptable. As regards salaries of their “employees” – they can directly employ people who will be nominally their employees but the salaries will be set by Parliament and paid directly to the employee and not via MP(equally Parliament can refuse to accept an employees contract if the salary is either too low or too high in comparison to other such employees)
Lastly – there should be an end to MPs being allowed to bully or cajole the fees office regarding what is paid under this new system.Thwey no longer can be trusted and must in future be strictly controlled regarding any financial outlays they make.Any MP who does not wish to abide by these new rules can leave Parliament and continuance will be dependent on acceptance of any new guidelines as it is obvious that MPs can no longer be trusted to “police” themselves the public must do it for them. It should also be an automatic criminal offence to make false statements regarding expenses( I know theoretically it is now but this needs to be enshrined specifically under a new Act – which the public expects Parliament to pass without dissent)
MPs have by the actions of some forfeited any right to be allowed to regulate anything to do with their own salaries;allowances or conditions in future
Any old barracks in London?
But if they all stay in the same apartment block then there would be a security issue. Any angry member of the public would know exactly where to find them…. hang on a minute!
Mind you, knowing that lot they’d commandeer Buckingham Palace as their “apartment block”.
Actually that is not such an implausible idea.
The Palace is enormous and could quite easily fit in these public servants. However that probably would give them ideas above their station….. and that is where we are now!!
The grounds though are enormous too. The area at the far end could be used to build the “modest Crown accomodation” that is needed.
There’s some old Army houses down near Wolfish that would do nicely, they’ve been condemned by the squaddies still live there so they wouild be fit for MP’s.
would be great to have them all under one roof… imagine the evenings…
“turn that telly down!!”
“fuck off Balls”
we could install CCTV’s in every room al a Big Brother.. could become a national TV hit… and we could keep an eye on what the fuckers get up to as well.. see how they like being watched every fucking second like the rest of us oiks
Yep… County Hall would have been ideal.. doh!
Put the piggies in the stable block !
Move the horses to better accomodation in Windsor…
The Olympic Villiage. Perfect.
They could keep fit by running to and from Parliament.
Lease a building. But only on a short lease as a long lease would send them the wrong message.
@46 I agree with what you are saying (mostly), however, I think you are being far too generous;Travel Lodge is good for these wastrels and dining vouchers for McMucks
Don’t let them charge to have the place expensively re-decorated in the manner of Lord Wallpaper of Extravagence.
Pentonville & Holloway
How much should MPs be paid?
The average British workers salary only plus a second class free public transport pass, a block of empty flats should be purchased and used as a hostel to house MPs from the outer reaches of the kingdom and allowances should be as strict as everyone enjoys nothing more and nothing less, if people are wanting high cash rewards then public life isnt for them is it?
If money is the reason for doing a job then serving our nation is not for the money grubber is it, Serving the nation should be reward enough shouldnt it?
Certainly their pay should be linked to the national average.
At 11 o’clock in the morning of 20 April 1653, Cromwell led a company of musketeers to Westminster. Having secured the approaches to the House, he addressed the Members in a speech about corruption that is worth repeating in the light of events three and half centuries later:
“..It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes, have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d; your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse the Augean Stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings, and which by God’s help and the strength He has given me, I now come to do.
I command ye, therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. You have sat here too long for the good you do. In the name of God, go!”
At Cromwell’s signal, Lieutenant-Colonel Worsley marched in with the musketeers to drive out the MPs. The doors were sealed and a wit pinned up a notice outside reading: “This House is to be let: now unfurnished.”
Such a great speech..
and hauntingly apt today..
Too true.
Fantastic speech, but always looks better out of its historical context. If my memory serves me well, history paints a slightly less positive picture of Cromwell.
Cromwell was a puritan, a religious fanatic who closed down all the playhouses and many of the public houses. When he could not get parliament to do his bidding, he prorogued it. He then tried to rule by raising taxes through a council of ministers.
Eventually he could not control that council either, and was regarded by the population as being just as bad a despot as Charles I, who at the end of the civil war he had ordered beheaded after a trial which was not even legal under the rules of the day. (Those who were supposed to vote as jury on the King’s death absented themselves and the majority required was not reached).
Cromwell, on his death, passed the title of ‘Protector’ to his Son, who in reality never wanted it and retreated to his country estate after losing control of the country through a lack of will, and a swift departure from his father’s puritanical beliefs.
Within the year, Charles II, son of the late king, was welcomed with open arms by a grateful nation. Indeed, in many places in the country he had moved about freely despite Cromwell’s best efforts and his own distinctive appearance, a sign that the nation did not want him beheaded by the despot Cromwell.
It is probably Cromwell who, indirectly by his actions, has ensured the survival of the Monarchy in Britain for the last nearly 400 years by leaving a legacy that has sullied the term ‘British Republic’.
To give a payrise to those it is pretty generally understood are responsible for making only 25% of the laws afflicting us sends entirely the wrong signal. It is called “reinforcing failure”.
Repatriate our lawmaking and then we can can talk about payrises. The currrent hoons already have too much time on their hands and cause mischief. Besides, the rise of the “politician” as a career choice really has to be resisted. Ignorant unskillled and inexperienced people finding themselves with a key to the drinks cabinet. No wonder we are in this mess!
Five years experience in the private sector before being adopted would help…
Apart from Italy, our politicians are now the highest paid in Europe.
… and are striving mightily to become the most corrupt!
Seems to be an association between high pay and corruption.
Soft thinking Mr F, full of more holes than a Swiss cheese. Engage brain and try again.
Oh that was a convincing argument. Why don’t you try harder next time? FAIL.
An English parliament please.
The Scots have managed to run a parliament of their own without pork barrelling of MP’s expenses. Send back the Scots overseeing the robbing of us blind, to Alex to deal with. Little more than border raiders.
Away with you, you Sassenach knob jockey. Labour has a large majority of MPs in England alone – we don’t have a Labour government because of how Scotland voted, so take your bile and prejudice and stick it where the sun don’t shine.
Says it all.
An excellent example of why we can do without Scots running England
What was that about prejudice? Pot calling kettle….
The Scottish Parliament cost £414m just to build (a load of pork in that for starters). There are 129 MSPs (do they really need so many for such a tiny population with a limited remit?) and the enterprise costs around £90m p.a. MSPs are paid 87.5% of HoC rates. There are about 500 staff in addition to the MSPs themselves. No mention how many of those are “in the family” of course.
Then the Scots running England will feel right at home.
It was Donald Dewer, Labour leader of the first devolved government of Scotland who presided over the expense of the new parliament. Dewer was working closely with Blair. The whole episode was mired in problems, especially when they appointed a committee (favourite passtime of New Labour) to oversee the contrsuction of the new parliament, involved was David Steel. It was a joint Labour Libdem mess!
But we now have a parliament and we now use it, we will need it more when Scotland becomes independent and be done with the ‘parcel of rogues’ that is westminster. The people of Scotland are not as stupid as Labour think and hope that they are. In an Independent Scotland the like of Brown, Murphy, Darling and Alexander will not be welcome!
We have got 108.
What was that about prejudice?
Lets face it, a lot of these clowns left jobs where thet were earning about 30k, and they are grossly overpaid
They are already very well rewarded for what is by definition a part-time job. If anything their pay should be cut.
Guido – please get your apostrophes right when describing something belonging to an MP. One MP has an MP’s perks; groups of MPs have MPs’ perks. I have been an admiring reader of your blog ever since the Damian McBride scandal first became public knowledge weeks ago, but as a boring old retired teacher I can no longer bear the pain of your misused possessive apostrophes. Your mission is to expose wrongdoing & corruption in high places; mine is to save the apostrophe from murder at the hands of greengrocers & journalists. Yours is the nobler, but mine is the harder!
Power to your keyboard.
Your another public sector worker,that is milking the system with your taxpayers pension for life you fucking parasite.
Another Hunt that couldn’t make it in the private sector,but took the easy option of being handheld by taxpayers….scum
You get an F for use of apostrophes. Go back to school.
It’s a trifle harsh to describe a teacher as a public sector “parasite”, don’t you think?
By all means kick the shit out of £40k anti-smoking outreach coordinators or five-a-day liaison officers but cut teachers some slack – they serve a useful purpose.
Here’s some Fs for you…..Fuck off sisterfucker
You appear to be about as employable as the average MP. With your literacy level you should be grateful you have a job at all.
You really are an illiterate wankstain, fedup. Are you angry because you feel you’ve underachieved? Was it your teachers’ fault, not yours? You’re a fucking loser. Go and play on the railway line you fanny, and leave reasoned debate to grown-ups.
Guido – please get you’re apostrophe’s right when describing something belonging to an MP. One MP has an MPs perk’s; group’s of MP’s have MPs perk’s. I have been an admiring reader of you’re blog ever since the Damian McBride scandal first became public knowledge week’s ago, but as a boring old retired teacher I can no longer bear the pain off you’re misused posessive apostrophe’s. You’re mission is to expose wrongdoing & corruption in high place’s; mine is to save the apostrophe from murder at the hand’s of greengrocer’s & journalist’s. Your’s is the nobler, but mine is the harder!
Power to you’re keyboard.
BTW, £64.766 is not much of a salary unless you are French. £64,766 is more like it.
Blog prefect alert!
I think we should sponser a group called Tuscan Tony and the Pedants maybe they will get into the top ten and leave us alone with our lousy English.
But it was well spotted. Even I didn’t see those two misplaced apostrophes and it’s normally the first thing I look for.
lololo – you’re missing a “-” after pedants.
lololo: that should be ‘sponsor’
lololo, that should have been, “..maybe it will get into the top ten..”, not they. The subject of your sentence is “group”, which is singular.
375 – Dr. Mick
Couldn’t agree more: when will people learn about ‘Subjective Genitives’ and so on? A (= 1 = SINGULAR) group of (group= comprising – we are now particularising the constituents of this group) The Pedants…
But perhaps lolol ‘thought’ we should ‘sponser’ a group… and that (‘maybe’) the individual members mgiht ‘get into the top ten (‘Top Ten’?)’.
Quite agree with you.
It denigrates the blog.
I am always amazed at the number of intelligent comments which are posted but which display appalling grammar and punctuation.
Who educated these people ?
(Don’t answer that !)
its gr8n innit m8?
i’m on the fucking breadline
Get to the back of the line for moaning……just be greatful you have a place in the line for the meagre bread handout.
Could I have a large wholemeal cob, please?
can have what ya like mate, stick it on expenses
But who wants social workers or their ilk running our country? Pay peanuts get monkeys.
Baby P
Now the rest of us.
Social workers is about right.
MPs do not fucking run the country, they just provide oversight on behalf of the public. Don’t get fucking caught up in their lies!
They have not exactly provided much in the way of oversight until recently either. Some US Democratic Senators have voted against parts the President’s budget, Some Republicans voted in favour. Would that happen here?
Yes, but then we didn’t pay peanuts – and still got monkeys.
we pay monkeys and we get nuts
They should be paid by a capitation fee, decided by the median figure voted by their electors annually. Performance related pay.
I prefer de-capitation myself.
To anyone with a guillotine, what would you charge as a decapitation fee?
I see someone beat me to that joke
Fifty quid per capita (Wear and tear on blades, runners, power washing). Twenty five if we do it the old fashioned way with an axe, a lump of wood. Baskets extra.
UK Laughing Stock Index hits all-time high, surpassing previous ‘poor man of Europe’ high
No future UK
The only way you’ll get back in is in a burkha mate.
Is there an H in burkha ?
what a fucking farce
payment by results is the only way.
Basic subsistence and the rest comes in bonuses.
Work out the metrics for yourselves.
These are our employees, not our masters, FGS!
At PMQ’s this week David Cameron suggested a compensatory pay rise could be awarded provided the number of MP’s is significantly reduced.
Cameron was right when he said that the UK is over governed by comparison with similar countries when it comes to the number of MP’s thge UK has.
However the problem with Westminster goes much deeper.
Recent successive Westminster governments have centralised too much power in the hands of an elite at the top and MP’s have become mere cannon fodder whose only role is to vote and let this elite have their way.
With devolution now functioning successfully in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, the scope and role of a large number of their MP’s has been diminished substantially
Furthermore the intellectual quality of a large number of MP’s is extremely questionable.
There are also serious questions over the integrity of Westminster controlled elections e.g. ongoing suspicions of gerrymandering and electoral fraud with the postal voting system.
David Cameron needs to bring forward radical proposals to deal with these issues in the Tory manifesto at the next general election.
Marian: Good point. Double their salary but cut their numbers by 50% so the overall cost is not increased.
Lets see if the Turkeys really will vote for Xmas.
Cameron has made a good start, but he still has to have the support of his MP’s, so he may not be able yet to be as strict as he might wish. We’ll probably find out next year. He should cut the pay as well as the numbers.
Just pay the National average wage £20K and all relevant expenses. Provide crown accomodation in London.
The last thing we need are people in Westminster who are there for the money. To say you will not attract top brains by paying just a livable wage is rubbish, I regularly come across the best society has to offer (both the great and the humble) giving their time in CABs, VSOs, missionfiels etc.
Look at the MPs who are there for the Money…The Hoons, Balls and Hoggs of this world then look at those who are there to serve, the Hoeys, Fields, Menzies of this world. Which would we rather have?
If you saw them on question time they all came over as extremely arrogant. They then proceeded to tell everyone in the country we are too stupid to understand their expenses and allowances system. They also didn’t actually listen. If they were honest and said allowances and expenses were there to boos their salaries then it would be a simple story. As it is they just look like a gang of crooks. Especially so since more historical records were shredded. Since these people are self employed surely they should keep records for 6 years? Ah, no. El Gordo slipped a clause into the finance bill, in 2005 I think, exempting MPs from revenue rules. Now I wonder why? Isn’t everyone equal under the law? Apparently MPs are not. This also is scandalous. The utter contemptible bastards.
Yes, those three turkeys are well past their ‘sell by’ date. They showed some courage in turning up at all, but their arrogance was all too apparent. They seemed amazed that their usual trick of burying the public in bombast wasn’t working so well this week. Time to retire and spend more time with your excessive pensions.
£8K teles $2K NYC rugs = pound of flesh
Social Workers @ £30,000 pa are grossly overpaid.
They are at least required to qualify for that salary and they have to be checked to make sure that they are not criminals.
Guido, for once (I think) I’m going to disagree with you and perhaps go against the flow a little. I don’t think it’s reasonable to compare MPs’ jobs with the poor sods risking their lives in Helmand: frankly, I don’t think any of our jobs stand any sort of sensible comparison with them (the only comparison can come if your job means you’re being shot at or some mad bastard is routinely trying to blow you up).
Nor, for me, does the idea of trailing back and forth from the north of England (or wherever) to the Palace of Westminster to do my work hold much appeal. That lack of appeal is not mitigated much by the prospect of a subsidised G & T at 10pm while waiting for a division when I’d rather be at home or out for a curry with friends.
And I think it must require a special sort of tolerance (masochism?) to deal day in day out with the complaints/expectations of some constituency nutters.
I know that no one forces MPs to do their job but I don’t begrudge them a decent screw nor legitimate expenses; in my view, the latter is not particularly difficult to define as most of us in the real world operate under such systems every day.
I just want them to do a decent job and truly represent us and the country. My criteria would probably be no different to most other people. They would include fair and reasonable taxation not wasted on a bloated public sector and Quangos, liberty, an education system that educated, an efficient NHS where money was spent on practitioners and patients, not target-obsessed managers; dare I say it, no boom and bust. You’ve heard it all before, fill in the gaps yourself.
But as a start, whatever venality has been displayed so far by all MPs – what is it about New Labour and mortgages (Mandelson, Jowell, Morley & Chayter)? – this government must go. They have had their chance and blown it – 12 years for God’s sake. Even now we hear than a Labour MP who tried to get a £2,500 home cinema thinks it’s “a million per cent” OK. Cameron and an imperfect Tory party have taken the lead on all fronts on this issue; Brown, as usual, is left standing and embarrassed.
Christ, like it or not, we have to be governed. First step to being governed well now is to clear out what has demonstrably failed: prime minister, speaker and incompetent and sleazy government.
Brown, you said you’d listen and learn. It is now plain that voters of whichever party are calling for a general election. So listen now; call a general election.
I’m not sure we should be paying for most of their ‘constituency work’. There should be other ways for the public to approach the bureaucracy, or some complaints/ombudsman department. MP’s could have a role reviewing the overall performance and complaints statistics, especially as they affect their constituents; but using MP’s as a substitute seems a way of attempting to control the public and demonstrate that the party is in total control of your life.
Attending political meetings and canvassing etc is personal business or party service. It should not be treated as public service and time thus spent should be deducted from their pay and pension calculations. Whenever Brown, Balls etc appears gurning at schoolchildren or disrupting work at some business, we should be sure that we are not paying them to make their political propaganda.
Can’t argue with that, but as things stand………
There are just too many of the bastards.
Why does the UK need so many? Once they are in Parliament they more or less do what they are told by the whips and largely ignore their constituents’ views. 80% of all legislation comes from the EU. I would have thought that a couple of hundred would be more than enough.
Think of the savings and how much new kit we could buy the soldiers with it.
You have hit the nail on the head. “Once they are in Parliament they more or less do what they are told by the whips…..”
The patronage of political parties is the main problem. Career advancement or termination are the threats used to gain compliance. The number of MPs prepared to risk their jobs by defiance is probably equal to the number untainted by this expenses scam; very few.
We need to end the practice of whipping MPs to follow the party line. The MPs may agonize over decisions of career or conscience, but the result of these deliberations is shown repeatedly in the last 12 years. Iraq, Lisbon Treaty, 42 days. Would any of these have passed if 650 people were voting from conscience? Impossible to tell but without whips we may have had different results.
Political parties will not abandon whipping voluntarily, they will loose all their power.
Political parties will not cease to exist voluntarily, the chance to wield power for their own ends is too attractive to ignore.
If we replace the existing government with one of the oppositions we are perpetuating the problem. We end up with the same looking beast except for a different rosette pinned on the snout.
We need 650 (or maybe slightly fewer) independent MPs who are prepared to listen to their voters and then vote according to reason or conscience. They may arrive at the wrong conclusion but not because some party official has decided that it would be beneficial for the party sponsors.
£64k is a very good salary for the job they do, but there should be very little in the way of allowed expenses. If more UK powers are ceded to Brussels, pay cuts not increases should be the order of the day.
Couldn’t agree more, Guido. Let’s face it, it’s not exactly a job that requires any special skills, is it? All my own MP seems to do, as far as I can make out, is turn up to Parliament to vote whichever way the government tells her to vote. A trained monkey could do that.
Pay them £125,000, with a 40% windfall tax when the Government spends more than it receives in that tax year. Of course they could raise taxes to keep their bonus (unpopular but maybe necessary, if taxes are set too low), and restore the country’s finances to health. But if fiscal policy had a depressing effect on the economy they would lose out again and again (like now). MPs need to feel the economic fortunes of the country in their pockets.
Expenses necessary to function as an MP should be allowed, with a spell on a statutory offenders register for those caught troughing, (go the police station to sign each year), give them the Gary Glitter treatment they deserve.
99 – grobdj
“Pay them £125,000, with a 40% windfall tax when the Government spends more than it receives in that tax year.”
DOUBLE their pay?
DOUBLE their pay, when the queues for vacant seats go ’round the block’?
DOUBLE their pay, when already, the majority of them manage to look like shameless mendicants?
When I first read it, I (I hope!) misunderstood your proposed “40% windfall tax”: your wording need to be tightened up, otherwise the porcine ones will be taxing Us at 40%…
As an amendment, I suggest: ‘with a 40% tax levied on their gross incomes if and whensoever Government Expenditure exceeds in any year the total of Government Revenue…’
I also suggest an important (and necessary) addendum:
The pay of M.P.s will also and additionally be subject to further taxation at a rate of not less than 40 percent (gross) in addition to the 40% rate already generally applied if and whensoever in any year financial or otherwise taxation has been increased or is proposed to be increased whether by Income Tax ‘fiscal drag’ NI VAT ‘Licensing’ or other means however described nominated or disguised.
I also suggest (‘The Gary Glitter Clause’).
M.P.’s breaching these regulations may be reported for any perceived breach of them by any person whose name is on the Electoral Register of the Constituency for which they sit. Initial proceedings on the basis on any such complaint will be by a Court (The Constutency Court)summoned by the Sheriff or other Officer Appointed by Her Majesty notwithstanding any pretended conventions that members of Parliament or other such persons may claim to be acting in the name of The Crown. No person so chosen may be a Member of Parliament or a family-member of a Member of Parliament nor in the employ of such a Member or likely to be beholden to him by virtue of what he does or where he lives. This Court may determine what causes are vexatious or trivial and will be empowered to apply such punishments to those troubling it and those accused as it deems fit excluding only Capital punishment. Members of Parliament thus vexatiously or for trivial matters accused before this Court may also avail themselves such Laws of the Realm as may appertain. The Court (The Constituency Court) shall have twelve jurors and two Advocates. No barrister lawyer solicitor justice justice of the peace magistrate notary public commissioner for oaths or other member of the legal profession may be in any way shape or form a member of this Court (The Constituency Court) and the discovery of the advice counsel or assistance of any such person will void immediately the suit of anyone using it….
I could go on, in extenso…
The problem is with the party whip system. MPs ‘loyalty’ is to the party not the nation.
Any system they have they will fiddle. They are politicians after all AND most of them lawyers. Have you EVER met an honest lawyer?
Add into that the fact that lobby fodder media have been in all that has gone on for years.
They do say a labourer is worthy of his hire. In that case most of our M.P.s are worth fuck all.
It all changed in the late 90s when Blairite career politicians like Milibland and Balls came straight from school-university-research-government department-safe seat. This is Gould’s gameplan for his own 22 year old daughter.
Prior to that, many politicians had some life experience and often some success in an earlier career outside of the Westminster village – in farming, business, trade unionism. Most wanted to give something back. Not take.
Blair also politicised the police, the judiciary, the academic world, the Lords, quangos and the Civil Service and through a mafiosi style regime of hectoring and thuggery the smirking chancer did away with decency, public service and objectivity. The police, for example are quick to arrest Tories like Damian Green, Archer and Aitken but seem mysterious disinclined to arrest Labour wrongdoers – and the list is long.
The current greed is exemplified by the smirking chancer, T Blair as he lines his pockets shamelessy. Even “advising” Sierra Leone on tourism! This exploiter thinks he got away with it just in time but I urge everyone to put a spotlight on his dealings, before he is a shoe-in for EUSSR President.
The best thing Cameron could do right now is to promise a referendum on Lisbon. He’ll be guaranteed a landslide and we do us all a favour and see the smirking chancer off the radar.
Agreed in full.
Absolutely spot on!
HEAR HEAR!
Always look forward to Reapers comments. Some of the best on this blog. Should start your own blog.
Grim, didn’t you get the letter from Dave dated 8 May 2009? I did it and it included a leaflet which promises, “Only the Conservatives support a referendum now on the European Constitution.”
That’s the same leaflet with Broon on the other side with his fingers in his ears. La la la la la
Thanks Mick.
But I think he needs to shout this from the proverbial rooftops.
Good one Grim.
Doctor Mick.
I did get that leaflet, with a picture at the top of Dave writing a letter, or possibly filling in an expense claim, promising a vote on the Lisbon treaty.
Or was it promising a vote on whether to have a vote on the Lisbon treaty?
Whatever, but it is better than being told there will be no referendum because they know what we will vote for.
How dare you call Cherie baby and me the Smirking Chancer! You haven’t got anything on me. Prove it. Gone on. I dare you, you meanies.
I raised £6 million squid dead easy and I’m not telling you!
That Tony the Shredder appears to be on the run. One minute he’s in that there Middle East, then he’s in New York and then in Sierra Leone.
I’ll bet you a fryver lads that it’s all part of a pattern.
PC Filth, PC Kalasnikov and PC Knee-Cap – time to ask the Smirking One a few questions.
And Filth, don’t forget the Party Bucket for tonights secret policeman’s Balls & Cooper.
Knacker
There is shredding going on in the House of Lords Expenses Office
Please investigate..
We need Georgia Gould in labour
Agree entirely. Also adopt ‘The Plan’ by Carswell and Hannan as Conservative Manifesto immediately (includes drastically reducing number of MPs). Contains following quote:
‘When the government fears the people, there is liberty. Where the people fear the government, there is tyranny.’
Thomas Jefferson
Yes T Blair really is responsible for much of this – the venal, odious pratt.
I was very disappointed to learn that even Tampax Dan was at it too. He’s always struck me as one of the very few examples of an honest MP. Guess I was wrong about that.
Can he not see the flaw in the logic of claiming he would need the bookcases to do his job once he was retired?! FFS.
I was totally appalled by his extreme arrogant. When I retired from university research I had a room full of physics journals, papers, books, etc. (all bought with my own money and not claimed against tax). I took them home and after trips to B&Q made several fine bookshelves myself. Kaufman said that he wanted a good quality bookcase for his copies of Hansard. Nothing wrong with that, of course. But to demand the money from the public and not from his own pocket! The man is beneath contempt.
Tampax can have a new title, no longer remembered as ‘Father of the House’ but ‘Father of Thieves’. Arrogant jock bastard.
‘Kaufmann’ – ‘Trader’, buyer&seller
TVs, rugs…
Kaufman by name, Kaufmann by nature.
Renaming and shaming
Lord Mine It
Shahid Milkit
Eliott More-for-me
Andrew Mickay taker
Jack’s Draw
David Clayimer
Douglas Hoggs
Derek Conned me
Lord Ahmended
Press Huhne
Julia Golds-I’m-Worth it.
Theresa Mayhave
Alan Garden
Hazel Clears cheque
Geoff Who me?
Be fair – Gerald Kaufman’s old rug had teethmarks and patches that were chewed bald – an MP needs to be in comfort on the job you know.
Never mind his tonsure
Surprised he hasn’t claimed for butt plugs!!
Kaufman to junior civil servant in the Fees Office:
“My life, how dare you suggest a man of my calibre pay £8865 out of my own pocket for a TV to put in my slum! I demand to see your superior – do you know who I am?”
Junior Civil Servant on phone to supervisor:
“I’ve got that Kaufman hoon here again. he thinks tellys cost eight grand but what’s worse is he can’t even remember his own name”.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/08/12/article-0-0241A0AA00000578-930_235x312.jpg
Do you think Kaufman looks like George Smiley?
The man is clearly a spy. Shoot him.
Isn’t it rather odd:
That Margaret Beckett says the problem is that the public are not capabable of understanding MPs expenses system.
That MPs caught fiddling expenses say it is because they are not capable of understanding their expenses system.
Or is it not so odd afterall?
A major in the army starts at £43,000 and a Lt Col £62,000 – all paid in increments on ability. These officers are responsible for the lives of hundreds of our troops. No perks for them either and they have to travel 2nd class everywhere these days.
Start MPs salary at £30,000 and stop at £43,000. Some will say pay peanuts get monkeys. I think this pay will attract a more honest and sincere monkey.
Also Soldiers work 24/7/365 and if they are fortunate will get their meagre anual leave in full without losing days travelling to and from their place of duty. Mps only work the winter (excepting three weeks over Christmas and New Year) and half the Spring months, taking the Summer off for their Hols and Autumn off for conference party time. The odd ocaison when they are at work it seems to be just a 4 day week.
I was watching Parliament Live on Thursday afternoon. There were 3 MPs in the chamber plus the Deputy Speaker, debating the latest inshore fishing quotas…
The Hastings MP was desperately trying to get an answer from his own minister, why although they comprised 75% of the sector’s fleet they’d only been apportioned 30% of the quota (the rest given to the ‘producers’ i.e. big boys with processing factories). The debate broke up inconclusively and one can deduce the inshore fishing fleet can hang up their nets.
Where were the other 642 MPs?
Oh Susie
SIlly girl…
Where do you think the rest were ?
Two possible answers
1) Troughing
2) Running to the nearest bunker to avoid heavy mortar fire from Guido
Your choice
God Bless
Yes indeed. I’d like to hear an MP try to argue that their job is more difficult than a Lt Col.
Worth noting in passing that Lt Col is an equivalent rank to Commander in the Royal Navy. The commanding officers of our Trident submarines (and indeed most of our warships) have the rank of Commander. Now there’s a job with responsibility.
Soldiers don’t set their own salaries.
All very laudable – but sort of dross will we end up with if we pay a max of £43k. Honest and sincere maybe, but with poor degrees and no idea.
Well, we ended up with the likes of John Prescott with the current wages+expenses system – remind me, what degree did “Two Seats” hold?
A head teacher at a Technology College will be paid an incredible £110,000 for each school year? That is more than the Minister for schools, even after expenses fiddles, flipping, and comms allowance etc.
Is MPs pay too low or Teachers pay too high?
Should a teacher, responsible for say 1-2,000 pupils, earn more than a Colonel commanding 1,000.
I don’t know. But it sure sounds wrong.
Poor degrees? I don’t want MPs with degrees, I want MPs with common sense, honesty and integrity etc. These attributes do not necessarily come with a degree!
So we’d get MPs with no idea? And that would be different from the current situation how, exactly?
Why do you need a fucking degree to be good at a job. These worthless bits of paper, that everyone seems to think are so important in life, might as well come free with a box of corn flakes.
A univercity edukation aint what it was once.
We really couldn’t do worse than the current useless shower. At least they wouldn’t be venal little shits to boot.
As Helen Lovejoy has often mentioned….. “Won’t Somebody Please Think Of The Children”?
They can’t ask for the salary of a professional without becoming professional. If they want to take that on I think it would be positive. Proper TRAINING and then having to pass a board of more experienced members, then shadowing experienced members before being mandated to work at a basic level with upwards progression. They would also have to be regulated and those found being below par would be disciplined accordingly.
Of course they, as any professionals offering a service, could then be found professionally negligent should they make a balls up. For example allowing unbridled immigration without matched growth in services and infrastructure, or starting a war with insufficient planning for reconstruction.
Actually, sounds quite good. If they agreed to this I would gladly see the incomes raise accordingly.
Their pay is c 2 + 1/2 the national average, they have oodles of expenses, subsidised food and drink, lavish holidays and expense-paid jaunts to exotic locations. The package goes a long way to explaining why they are so remote from the electorate.
Provide them with state-owned accommodation in London, pay staff centrally, necessary travel and office expenses, fully receipted and audited, and pay them the national average. bring them back to the real world.
Independent body to vet finances of politicians and family members – for early detection of ‘favour’ payments.
Someone commenting on another thread a few days ago estimated that an MP’s remuneration is equivalent to about £350,000 p.a. if earned by someone else. They are HUGELY overpaid.
I think you miss the point Guido. If you pay peanuts you get monkeys and the fact that loads of monkeys would like to be MPs is no justification of that system. We need more people imbued with a sense of professional ethics, rigour and public service, with at least a grasp of what it is to conduct an intelligent discourse and those will come at a price. On the other side of the equation, sitting MPs must have to be re-selected in primary elections preceding each General Election to keep them on their toes and counter the cosy incumbency syndrome. The number of MPs should be reduced to about 600, one for every 100,000 population and each constituency could have a designated MP’s “constituency house” which belongs to the state and is handed on from incumbent to successor. Finally the House of Lords should be transformed into a Senate, with no more than 60 representatives (1 per 1million population) elected on a different cycle to the Commons.
Finally we should not lose sight of the greater abuse us taxpayers are being put to with the continued yoke of debt burden caused by a bloated and unsustainable public sector, governed in the main by people who find it hard to fill in an expenses claim properly.
Fuck inteeligent converstion . Burn it down. Then discuss.
That is an alternative, but we would only have to pay for rebuilding it. Did you damage your pre-frontal cerebral lobes in your childhood, by chance?
The wages discussed above of circa £43k are for many people in this area of the country (West Country) the stuff of dreams. The minimum wage is the norm here, due largely to imported labour from Eastern Europe and lately from Africa.
It wouldn’t harm the body politic to learn how to exist on an average wage for a few years, it would also enable them to experience the effects of some of the half baked legislation they pass.
For example, the “Ten Pence Tax” I cannot envisage that particular legislation being passed if it affected the MPs in the Commons.
In any case it appears to be the norm for MPs to take up well paid directorships with companies and quangos that have been the benificiaries of their patronage whilst in office. They will make money don’t you worry. Poor loves…………..
Originating from Cornwall (and probably now never being able to afford to return there) I am not sure quite where Tattooed_Arry means by ‘the West Country’: somewhere in England, presumably? What he says goes, a fortiori, for the poor natives of Cornwall. You will have seen the car-stickers – ‘Mining’s scat; fishing’s scat; farming’s scat. Back to wrecking, me Handsomes!’ The last tin-mine-but-one is about to close: so what! They all vote Tory or Liberal down there! The last tin-mine will close, but needs to be kept pumped-out: so what! None of us has holiday homes in anywhere other than the Coast, or Rock! The last mine’s waters, laden with tin-salts and other toxins are leaching into the rivers: so what! -Oh: oyster-beds killed? Shame, that;fortunately, it’s all Duchy of Cornwall stuff, so not our problem. An entire town is suffering the after-effects of a lorry-load of Alum put in the wrong place at the Waterworks? Shouldn’t affect the brains of the locals too much, they’re all r**tards anyway! Just make sure the Coroner/Health-people sing the same mantra, ‘This death was in no way unusual/there is no evidence of water-borne poisoning/ the statistics do not bear out any hypothesis of Aluminium having damaged the health…
The only boats fishing inshore round Cornwall these days, are the Spanish and the French, busily hoovering up the small-fry that the Russian factory-ships of a few decades ago left…
I’m writing from Somerset. But it’s similar to Cornwall, I have friends at Mousehole and on my last visit there I noted that Newlyn Harbour was crammed with French and Spanish vessels. Apparently whilst the Locals get the third degree from the Fisheries people when they land, the foreign ships load up then land their fish in their respective home ports with nothing more than a “tip of the hat” from the equivalent officials.
The West Country in general seems to be the site of the latest social experiment by the Marxists. There has been a massive increase in immigration here from Eastern Europe and Africa, perhaps in response to the Marxist condemnation of this area of the Country as being “too white.”
It’s sad to see what is happening to the heartland of England that used to be known as Wessex, but I am heartened by the fact that there is a village not far from me called Wedmore.
The signing of the Peace of Wedmore in 878 was the beginning of the end for the Danelaw, and the beginning of England.
Our enemies should remember that the English made a name for themselves with suicidal stands, in defence of their lands and people, against impossible odds.
The Shield Wall is battered but it has not yet broken.
Sorry got misty eyed and poetic then.
Engage cynicism.
That’s better.
You have identified the Douglas Adams theory from the book The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
“…… it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. ……….. anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. ……..: people are a problem.”
I agree with parliamentary candidates having a sense of “professional ethics, rigour and public service”. As to how you identify these traits, encourage them and reward them I am not so sure.
How many times? We are not paying peanuts but we are getting monkeys. When MPs were paid £32k they had a lot more integrity than they do now. Now MPs are completely useless. Ever tried writing to one and seen the absolute bullshit they reply with?
i’m fooking loving all this
Where do the public contribute into the legal fund to get these MP’s before the courts and hopefully put them where they belong, in jail?
I have £1000 to donate it’s not much but it’s all I have at the moment and I would rather use it on MP’s, than MP’s stealing it from me anyway!
Really looking forward to the Euro elections. It will be really fantastic to see independents and smaller parties winning and not seeing any of the three mainstream stealing party’s getting any seats at all. Great.
Next year for the first time the whole country gets the chance to sack all the main party MP’s at the same time. I can’t wait for the new line up in the house. It will be wonderful to finally get some democracy in this country for the first time.
I do hope that the corruption in the Lords doesn’t get overlooked because of the theafing in the house.
Immediate changes should be introduced to make any type of bribe, favor or any kind or false expense claim should face a prison sentence. This will save all the private prosecutions the public will have to make to bring these scum to justice.
All peers who have accepted bribes should face jail as well and be sacked and have their titles removed by the queen.
The queen should apologize for her government stealing from the people immediately.
Quite agree.
Let them face the courts and lie to them with “I made a mistake” and see what happens.
If they get jail justice will be done. If they get off the public will get the proof that the legal system is also corrupt as well.
Go to the Taxpayers Alliance website.
What annoys me most in the various TV interviews and discussions one hears is that the presenters keep allowing politicians to say the basic problem is that MPs have been underpaid for years.
And note how MPs keep emphasising the need for ‘independent’ pay reviews. We all know what happens with so-called ‘independent’ reviews – look at the Hutton report – the politicos select tame members of the ‘great-and-good’ class, give them excellent pay and perks and, hey presto, get the result they want – with the added benefit that they appear to avoid any blame for the ridiculous conclusions of said ‘independent’ body.
The pay and connections of the ‘independents’ who function as political stooges should be put under hostile public scrutiny. New Metroploitan Police Commissioner Stevens should be uinder investigation for failing to take action against MP’s, Lords and Speaker as soon as their corruption became public knowledge. He shouldn’t need an individual to complain once the news reached the press and TV. Why is he allowing two houses of ill repute to operate freely at Westminster?
“Being paid to hang round in taxpayer subsidised bars in SW1 for a late vote is not exactly as stressful as taking deadly incoming fire from AK47s or writing to the mothers and wives of young men under your command who have given their lives for their country.”
Well said Guido. These politicians still don’t get it. Their ‘entitlement’ culture culture is simply too ingrained. At basic, politics isn’t a profession – it’s a vocation. Beware the professional politician. Politics is about beliefs, values and actions centred on best to serve the country -that’s what we vote for. It should not about giving untalented sleaze-balls and party functionaries a lucrative, taxpayer funded career path to enrichment, which is what too many politicians think.
Thank to the likes of Guido, people are waking up to the depth of latent political corruption at all levels in this country. Until recently this has been largely ignored by a complicit MSM. However, from first hand experience I can assure you the levels of sleaze in local government, the quangos and other public bodies, all of which are over-populated by overpaid members of the political class, puts the expense fiddling seen at Westminster in the shade. . This is one of the reason why the so called ‘public services’ are often so poorly run. Just follow the money – senior job appointments and contracts
Voters’ outrage over MPs expenses reflects the wider realisation that we’ve been robbed and lied to by dishonourable and conflicted politicans who are supposed to be working for us not themselves.
Like many others, I am becoming more – not less – angry by the day. Being an MP should be treated as a vocation, and the salary should reflect the fact that MPs effectively enjoy four months holiday a year (not a bare four weeks, like most people). Perhaps there could be salary increments that had to be EARNED – eg an increment for gaining a relevant, nationally recognised professional qualification.
They should not be exempt from FOI and IR laws and rules. They should not be able to vote for their own pay rises. They should not be allowed to write their own remuneration rules. If they need to eat out in restaurants, then let them provide a receipt and the names of the people they were entertaining (if any) before being reimbursed; they should not be handed a £600-£800 per month allowance for food – that sum would feed some families in their constituencies with good fresh quality food for TWO MONTHS. They should not be able to claim £250 per month for “petty cash” without providing any receipts. We should find a “foyer” for all the out-of-London MPs to live in when they have to be in London, like the French foyer system for ouvriers. No more second homes.
That veterans like Kaufman thought it OK to claim for an antique rug and nearly £9,000 for a tv and Dalyell thought it OK to claim £18,000 for bookcases to hold his stuff AFTER he was no longer an MP (so how could it be necessary to carrying out his duties as MP?) indicates that corruption has become systemic in Parliament.
In my view, we need to clear out Parliament – dissolve it – and start again. Quickly.
Previous legislation will need to be repealed to replace the current sysytem of larceny and mis-appropriation of public funds. The exisitng members are the ones to do that? How right does that sound to you?
Until we get the legislation repealled, for instance Sec 291-295,
Income Tax (Earnings and Pensions) Act 2003 then the system still exists. So we need a new system and then a purge of all MP’s leaving the clean ones and getting rid of the corrupt or the ones with a questionable level of integrity. They can then answer to the Courts and the DWP, HMRC etc.
General Election mext year with clean honest people standing who are preapred to put their Country first, then their constituents and finally their party (thats if any parties survive by then).
If these simple measures are not taken soon then I fear that the Country will not have a functioning elected chamber for the whole country (we only have one) and that is clearly broken.
Finally get rid of the Speaker, he is a total incompetant who has not had an original thought in his whole life.
I’d put in an independent minded MP who is clearly not a party creature, I’m not a Labour supporter but someone like Kate Hoey, Frank Field, or Sir George Young people with integrity and independence who will tell the powers that be to piss off when needed.
Financial Legislation is not the only thing that needs repealing.
Parliament has already agreed to huge restricions on civil liberty, legalised an enormous amount of monitoring, data collection and data exchange and is now in the process of introducing ID cards.
Governments come and go, but Legislation stays on the books.
What do you think the Fascists would do with all these instruments of oppression and monitoring?
Financial Legislation is not the only thing that needs repealing.
Parliament has already agreed to huge restrictions on civil liberty, legalised an enormous amount of monitoring, data collection and data exchange and is now in the process of introducing ID cards.
Governments come and go, but Legislation stays on the books.
What do you think the Fascists would do with all these instruments of oppression and monitoring?
Think very carefully before voting for the B N P
Dalyell even claimed £400 to tell his confused voters that he was not their MP anymore – perhaps they need a £10,000 post-MP career communications budget – whoopee – trebles all round….
fucking bent bastards
we’ve got nothing on these Hunts
My life already so soon!
How do you expect us to survive on the salary of a teacher or an army officer putting his life on the line for us, as we cheat and steal?
Is there anyone in the Labour party that is not a Lord, Sir or Baronness?
Gordon Brown – simply a CaUNT
and a millionaire or close to it !!
Georgia Gould but never fear your minsiter for Equality is working to end this sexist situation.
According to the Telegraph, Gerald Kaufman claimed nearly £9000 for a television, and then got arsey (“Why are you questioning this claim?”) when the even the Fees Office baulked at the greed of it, pointing out that the maximum allowed for a TV is £750. If this is true, this rather glorious sounding TV should be rammed up his arse sideways while showing video compilation of Maggie’s greatest speeches.
For £9000 in Middlesborough he could have bought the Odeon.
Good one!
₤750 for a TV is a farce.
We can sack all these money grabbers at the next election. Thank god.
Democracy at last in the UK. Never thought I would live to see the day!
All the public want now is the date next year when we can sack the lot of them!
I think you mean next month.
You still think they’ll be an election?
I’m not so sure. The more these Hoons get away with, the more arrogant and entrenched they become. And every law passed in the last 12 years gives them all the aces, in particular the Civil Contingencies Act.
We’ve had scandal after scandal after scandal over the last 12 months – an economic explosion, banks going bust, Spliff’s expenses, McNulty’s, McBride, the Telegraph expose and others – and what has changed? Nothing. How many Labour ministers have been sacked? None.
They are so fucking arrogant they don’t even think they’ve done anything wrong.
So Brown announces that the General Election has been cancelled. What will the British people do?
I’ll tell you. Fuck all, as usual. And Brown and his cabal know it.
these british Hunts make us look like freakin amateurs
Andrew George (who he) has just been on Sky bleating that the telgraph should pay him an apology (odd use of word “pay” I thought – but only to be expected, I suppose).
Will he get a receipt?
The thieving toerag is shitting himself, now he realises his gravy train is about to come off the tracks.
Apparently Westminster is on “reshuffle alert”. Could be interesting.
Forget the reshuffle. A new deck of cards is required.
Richard Timney’s is on five knuckle reshuffle alert since Jacqui withdrew services.
That’s like trying to reshuffle the contents of your toilet pan after a night out at the curry house…..
I can’t get that image out of my head – yuk
Best, most accurate simile of the day.
Now there’s a thought for a new competition
I’m just curious as to why there haven’t been any demos and protests yet, given the strength of feeling.
The Met runs a Tamils only policy in Parliament Square
You mean like this?
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/question-time-audience-marches-on-london-200905151763/
I’m up for it.
Walked past there yesterday at 9am (oh shit, they will look at yesterday’s CTV film – is that a knock at the door as I write this,officers of the Special Patrol Group,please don’t smash my head on the plasma screen,I bought it with my own hard earned cash..)
Downing St looked deserted re; protesters too.
Perhaps if a few of us turned up,it would gather in to a really big crowd?
I am ready and up for it – have my camera for any Channel 4 post-beatings analysis.
You do not reward the burglar for getting caught.
Their salary with benefits is already pushing £150,000.
Their holidays are school length.
Not a penny.
Nadine, International Babe of Mystery, has broken cover…
200 shopping days to Christmas and may I be the first to wish all MPs and Ministers of the Crown a Happy and Prosperous New Year 2010 ’cause we are going to have one hell of a farewell party.
Ebenezer Scrooge MP was a money-grabbing twat who devoted his entire life to the accumulation of wealth and who like his friend Jacob Marley MP will end up walking the Earth forever an invisible and lonely ghost.
The Right Honourable Gordon Brown MP looks more and more like the Ghost of Chrismas past, present & future rolled into one
This is a wonderful opportunity to vote students favorite into power-
Official Monster Raving Loony Party
The only party who came bring honesty, trust and democracy back to this country.
Screaming Lord Sutch for prime minister. I know he’s dead but I believe this country needs a capable prime minister to run this country who can do a better job than the current one who no one actually voted for anyway! (So he does have some similarities with the monster raving loony party).
Remember this country needs YOU.
Vote Screaming Lord Sutch for your new prime minister.
They are far more likely to do a better job than any mainstream party has or ever could do.
Oh and Claire Ward – money grabbing MP for Watford resign now before we sack you.
Better a dead Screaming Lord Sutch than a Brown alive
The Monster Raving Loony Party had some decent policy’s as well, like bigger ice cream cones and buttons placed at the bottom of zebra crossings poles for hedgehogs.
They don’t make em like that any more sigh
Yeah,bigger ice cream cones but Brown would simply use a smaller ice cream scoop and tell us nothings that we are getting MORE!
Gissa a job, gissa a job……
You mean “Gissa job. Gissa job.”
We never could do working man speak Mr Shithead, sir
Baaaaaaaaaaaa!
An MP wages should have a relationship to their previous salary before come an MP up to limit, and then also related to performance targets of votes attendance, correspondence replied to, meetings, ects.
Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5331503/MPs-expenses-A-raging-storm-on-the-Telegraph-letters-page.html
“A lesson in realism came from John Oakley, who works with the charity Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Families Association. His letter brought offers of help from dozens of readers, because he told the story of a very old man, once a prisoner of the Japanese, who needed £500 to double-glaze his bathroom, so that he could take a bath in warmth. The money was not there to give him.
“Telling him was very hard,” Mr Oakley wrote, “but his reaction – that life was tougher on the railway and that I was not to worry – left me weeping. Now I read of the chocolate bars, bath plugs and horse manure claimed in expenses by our MPs, and I weep again.”
I am speechless that these MP’s don’t get it….. read this and get it now.
Reminds me of my 90-y/o Dad who was also a prisoner on the Burma/Siam Railway… he fell over and cut his head a year ago… he’s on Warfarin and it was bleeding profusely so we took him to A&E and waited, and waited and waited. I even had to go up and ask for more tissues from the receptionist who studiously ignored us.
After an hour and a half, I apologised to Dad, who said, “No I’m fine, I’m lucky to have a hospital to go to, we didn’t have one on the Railway”.
That’s appalling…your Dad bleeding profusely and a receptionist ignoring an obvious and serious problem that needed assessing quickly. Next time call an ambulance…..at least then you would be taken directly to the A&E department without queuing.
I hope he was OK?
We were trying to save public money by not calling an ambulance — more fool us. Dad’s fine… with another scar to add to the collection. Thanks for your concern
It’s worth noting that occasionally these MPs (it seems especially Labour ones) get a pre-election sniff of the trough, along with concealment skills etc., when they serve as local government councillors.
One East Anglian Labour MP (not, as it happens, named by the DT- at least, not yet) presided as leader of a District Council where they kept increasing their allowances, and where the council staff were allowed to do what they wanted without restraint. Money disappeared right left and centre, the planning department would allow anything on payment of a backhander and so on. Whenever these scandals surfaced the doughty Labour councillors denied them, covered them up and the responsible parties got nice early Spanish retirements in villas paid out of the local taxpayers. I hope they’re feeling the pinch now!
The net effect is that the council is near enough bankrupt despite some serious efforts by the Tories in charge to get it right.
The MP, meanwhile, snipes away at the council on a lot of trivial things, makes the occasional chippy speech in the House, and devotes himself apparently to things really important to people around here like the Parliamentary Anglo-Bolivian Friendship Society or similar.
The moral of this is that it pays to learn to trough before becoming an MP and to start as young as possible vide Emily Benn.
Greedgate
Next month the nights start drawing in and as for the sodding recovery, even a dead fallen tree sprouts green shoots.
No Guido – I don’t want MPs who are poor.
I want MPs who have enough social capital to be able to be treated on equal terms with heads of industry and the civil service, who aren’t reliant on private income, and who are focused on the job, not on how to pay for the bedsit they’ve been forced to rent in central London.
As usual, you’ve got this one dead wrong.
The worth of a man is not defined by the thickness of his wallet.
What’s the old saying…
“To know the cost of everything but the value of nothing”
If those are the sort of people you want, you should be happy. They’re there already.
“Social capital” only a new liebour aparatchik could come up with that one. Speak English you soon to be kicked out lick spittle. People are angry they know full well that this govt/parliament has run it’s course and pedants like you are dragging their feet when of comes to speaking of reform.
The trouble is that the MPs are poor and richly rewarded.
Go back to LabourLost you vile extortion-loving hoon.
What the fuck is “social” capital? Another weasel adjective, sucking the meaning out of a simple word.
Woah there Jon.
Who would the VAST majority of people trust to tell them the truth? Here’s a quick list…
Gordon Brown
Tony Blair
Any trougher you care to mention
or
Ghandi
Wealth has bugger all to do with it. Give me Ghandi everytime.
Disgruntled MP says
Official Monster365 now taking bets on how many seats Monster Raving will get at next election!
We’re doomed.
Can we at least bump up our pensions before the end of our term? and make it impossible for the public to claim it back from us when they find out what we’ve done?
Oh god help us.
The house will be full of do gooders and MP’s that actually want to do some work and help the public and the country.
This is terrible as this house is not supposed to do any work on behalf of the public, just delay, waffle, bore the public into apathy and then blame issues on someone else’s incompetent actions anyway and not ours in this house.
HELP! Pay me more money. I now can’t afford my second home! And my great grand mother is going to be made redundant!
You are all missing the point. The sums of money are irrelevant. A person who steals a penny will steal a million.
Consider this. The British Minister for Justice, a member of the Cabinet who, no doubt has imput into C.O.B.R.A. and has imput into formulating and approving policy that will affect every individual in the UK. He has to be served with a summons in order to enforce payment of his Council Tax. What hope is there for this country with individuals who are obviously totally lacking in morals, principles and common decency. What a sad little Country we have become.
Good point, well made…
Are you really a Baroness? (with a moat)
Mr Malik came over as a complete shit and not fit to hold an office of state. We are now officially a banana republic without the bananas and the nice weather.
My local Safeway have bananas and headless chickens
Doesn’t help that the miserable little shit is himself a bloody racist to boot!
Exactly
Straw,Hooooon,Darling and Malik have to be sacked TODAY.
You can see that Malik really did think he had reached the land of plenty when he was elected – watch his TV appearances and he is so clearly a spiv.
Don’t forget he put the fine on expenses too.
I’m not missing the point you arrogant twat.
Whatever package is proposed should be put to a referendum for the public to agree.
We certainly should not just accept the judgment of the Salary Commission as they are part of the problem.
From the Tax-Payers Alliance:
“The TaxPayers’ Alliance has decided to launch a campaign to bring any MP who has broken the law by fraudulent claims on their expenses to court. It is unacceptable for politicians to be above the law, and just as no burglar could get away with stealing a TV by saying “sorry, it was a mistake” and giving it back, no MP should be able to escape justice by trying to pass their offence off as a lapse of memory or by waving an apology cheque. To restore faith in Parliament, obtain justice for taxpayers and to restore the reputations of those MPs who have done nothing wrong, we must wash the stables of Westminster clean.
Donating to the campaign is a huge help to us. But another way you can help is by demanding full transparency. Despite all that has been revealed over the last few days, the vast majority of information on MPs’ expenses remains completely secret. Together with Freedom of Information campaigner Heather Brooke, we have launched an online petition demanding that all receipts, invoices and details of MPs’ expenses should be published immediately. Please sign the petition here:
http://www.petition.co.uk/publish_mp_expenses_in_full and pass it on to friends and family.
The process for a private prosecution is only just beginning – we are gathering a legal team and starting to assemble evidence right now. Once we get to look into the MPs’ expenses details in full we will be able to confirm which MPs are innocent and which have done something wrong and deserve to be pursued. “
… and in case anyone’s interested in helping tear a new arsehole for the MPs:
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/
Thank you. I am sending my donation in now. The sooner these B’stards are locked up the better. I expect the response in the house will be to get a big pay rise.
But if I where an MP I would think about the consequences of doing that first.
Remember the pole TAX riots. Could happen again over this. Not nice to see but you can understand it due the anger of the public.
Great fun seeing MP’s attempting to justify there actions. There such idiots they just don’t realize there is absolutely nothing they can say or do except resign on mass to satisfy our anger.
We’ve got 5 voters in our household… and we haven’t got a clue regarding the Euro-elections. Do we go UKIP, or just dont bother voting. G-d knows who to vote for. Sensible replies plz.
Get the local Labour party to submit postal votes for you……….
Parcel up the votes and put them on eBay; you’ll have North of England Labour reps all over you like a bad suit.
Can you please tell me what these are worth nowadays as I haven’t sold a vote since I got half-a-crown in 1831?
Look at the facts, look at the big three and how similar they realy are, ask yourself the simple question, who is going to help me the most and which party will sort out the mess left behind by newlabour.
Then vote for a small party that best fits your requirements, if we dont vote then the bastards at Westminster will be laughing all the way to the offshore bank.
Judith K, maybe you should read up a bit before coming to a decision. Unorthodox and unBritish I know, but if you did a bit of basic research it would help everyone — you, you family, the country. Otherwise, don’t vote, since you don’t know what you’re doing and are unqualified to go to the poll. Voting tribally is what got us into this mess in the first place.
Im a natural Tory but going for UKIP at Euros, Tory at GE. Cameron needs to say we will be definitely have a referendum and whatever the people want, the people get. If he does that in the next couple of weeks I will vote Tory at the Euros.
I have never voted Labour even though I was brought up on a poor council estate. I believe in people making their own way in life. Anyone who chooses to live off the state deserves to be at the bottom of the pile as far as I am concerned.
Good for you.
You will feel quite at home in UKIP.
Fiddling supremos.
One is in prison for it.
The difference between the Major Parties and UKIP is precisely that, one of their representative is in prison for fiddling. Last time I looked none of the fiddlers in the Major Parties is enjoying a stay at one of her Majesty’s Establishments, and I believe none of them will enjoy that dubious pleasure.
IMHO:
This Euroshite elect = Vote UKIP
Come GE day = Vote Con
That will gave dave and his toffs time to work out why it did,nt go as they planned on the EU front.
+1
Take a look at some Videos here and decide:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ukipwebmaster&view=videos
Dear Judith,
Do what I plan to do: vote UKIP.
The ‘big parties’ won’t like it (‘they don’t like it up them…’); Labour is in favour of an unaccountable, undemocratic system, where thieves and crooks can prosper (Can any system that employs two Kinnocks at huge salaries be straight?); LibDems are fanatically in favour of the same Totalitarian system; Conservatives (who, under Ted Cottager brought us into the system corruptly and deceitfully) offer no clear alternative.
If your vote/s secure the election of an UKIP MEP, so far so good; if your vote/s do not go far enough to secure the election of an UKIP MEP, they will at least have made your (‘Big Party’ – as in ‘at your expense!’) MEP take notice that there is a, perhaps growing ground-swell of opinion among the electorate that it would be unwise/suicidal to ignore.
Remember ‘The price of Liberty, is perpetual vigilance.’, so, whoever is elected needs to be reminded that you still exist: take notice of what he says and does – applauding when it is commendable, criticising when it is not what you want or expect. Write to him, from time to time; keep him on his toes; reply swiftly and robustly when his answers seem to you to be deficient: he has not only to gain your vote initially, but to live up to the hopes and expectations you have placed in him. You have voted for a person, not for a party.
Constituents should bare the cost of their MP through their council tax.
The local authority should own a decent sized house in a good area for the local MP. And provide secretarial/admin’ support as well. If the MP is single and has to rattle around a four-bedroom house tough!!!! And in London central government should find suitable accommodation, how about the Olympic Village post 2012????????????
Remember thanks to Europe only 20% of the legislation that effects us in our day to day live comes from Westminster. That is why these Hoons don’t want to come out of EU Riech, it means more work for them.
Every silver lining has a cloud.
UKIP POLICY DOC:
Here is a summary of the broad range of policies proposed by UKIP for an independent Britain in which democracy really works.
* UKIP will leave the political EU and trade globally and freely. We will re-embrace today’s fast-growing Commonwealth and we will encourage UK manufacturing so that we make things again.
* We will freeze immigration for five years, speed up deportation of up to a million illegal immigrants by tripling the numbers engaged in deportations, and have ‘no home no visa’ work permits to ease the housing crisis.
* We will have a grammar school in every town. We will restore standards of education and improve skills training. Student grants will replace student loans.
* We will radically reform the working of the NHS with an Insurance Fund, whilst upholding the ‘free at the point of care’ principles. We will bring back matrons and have locally run, clean hospitals.
* We will give people the vote on policing priorities, go back to proper beat policing and scrap the Human Rights Act. We will have sentences that mean what they say.
* We will take 4.5 million people out of tax with a simple Flat Tax (with National Insurance) starting at £10,000. We will scrap Inheritance Tax, not just reform it and cut corporation taxes.
* We will say No to green taxes and wind farms. To avert a major energy crisis, we will go for new nuclear power plants on the same existing site facilities and for clean coal. We will reduce pollution and encourage recycling.
* We will make welfare simpler and fairer, introduce ‘workfare’ to get people back to work, and a new citizens pension and private pensions scheme insurance.
* We will support our armed forces with more spending on equipment, military homes and medical care. We will save our threatened warships and add 25,000 more troops.
* We will be fair to England, with an English Parliament of English MPs at Westminster. We will replace assembly members like MSPs with MPs. And we will promote referenda at local and national levels.
* We will make customer satisfaction number one for rail firms – not cost cutting and will look seriously at reopening some rail lines that Beeching closed. We will make foreign lorries pay for British roads with a ‘Britdisc’ – and we will stop persecuting motorists.
* Last, but never least, we will bring in fair prices and fair competition for our suffering farmers, and restore traditional British fishing and territorial waters.
Discuss.
Sounds good to me
I love it when Europhiles accuse us of being Little Englanders. We once ran a third of the planet, traded with everybody, and more ethnically diverse than any of them.
It would be wonderful to see a pro-Navy party in power. We pay money in to the EU that gets given to Spain to improve their infrastructure. Do the Spanish match this? No!!!!!!!! They are to busy spending their money on new frigates, submarines, and aircraft carriers. All of which will be built in Spanish yards, protecting Spanish jobs.
Spanish never seem to complain when a nuclear submarine or single-hulled tanker puts into a Spanish harbour. But both become environmental risks when they visit Gib’.
Fuck the EU. More corrupt scum.
Brown proved by taking to the courts of law that policies whatever they say are not worth the paper they a printed on.
And what about the Mekon? You’ve no answers for that UKIP man, have you?
Nige Falangist doesn’t mention a revised expenses policy either! Deport illegals – thats good will be interesting to watch what happens to those Afghani’s who have escaped from Taliban areas being sent back for a bit of summary justice at the end of a stone. Where do I scratch my cross??
Where’s the money for all this coming from ? Oooo let me guess.
Who gives a fuck about Afghanistan? You’re on the wrong blog tool.
A good start
I-Fag you are either an imbecile or a moral imbecile. Sending innocent and often traumatised Afghani refugees back to the Taliban for stoning would be as bad as Operation Keelhaul. As you are also probably historically illiterate, this was the forced repatriation of Russian prisoners of war (our allies) to the Soviet Union where they were slaughtered, one of the great shames of WW2.
Non-Taliban Afghanis are the nearest thing we have to allies in the war against Al-Qaida, and the idea that you would drive them back to be slaughtered by our enemies is exactly the cretinous non-thinking that has lead to the current morass. You probably also believe that democracy can be dropped from 30,000 feet. You might not agree if you were the one at ground level.
Would a jury even need to retire?
GUILTY
Jail these B’stards for theft NOW.
That just means paying for another home for each of them! A noose or bullet would be so much cheaper and more appropriate.
I don’t care – I’m not a fucking social worker.
Mps are definitely overpaid. JD.
And what of the fees office in all this?
If MPs are pigs with their snouts in the trough – then surely the fees office is guilty of dishing up the plentiful slops they’re slurping on?
http://tinyurl.com/qgvj9r
It’s no good MP’s paying back the money they have stolen from the public within rules they made up themselves. They also tried to keep their expenses secret from you and me.
Scrap all expenses now and fine and Jail all MP’s who broke the rules.
The public have no confidence in the entire system.
It’s corrupt.
It stinks and all those MP’s and Peers involved should resign NOW.
Public inquiry in Peers and MP’s income NOW.
“Like good priests? Poor but honest?”
Leaving aside the question of how many good priests there are. do we really want our democratic representatives to be poor and therefore open to bribery and corruption? They have an important job to do in representing the wish of the people. Out of London MPs clearly need a flat rate housing allowance, a simple annual grant that they can use to satisfy their legitimate housing needs in whichever way they choose, with any gains going either back to the HoC, or to their party, or to charity, whichever is considered the best by us, the people.
“…poor and therefore open to bribery and corruption?”
They’re not poor at the moment, and seem to be doing pretty well on the bribery and corruption front.
To be poor is not necessarily to be open to corruption, although it may seem so in the case of Labour supporters.
Like Chris Bryant? (The epitome of NuLiebor).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5334791/Chris-Bryant-changed-second-home-twice-to-claim-20000–MPs-expenses.html
Im sick of all these f***ing T-Mobile ads, virtually every blog has them installed.
Guido has to get his Guinness money somehow
They pay for the Margaux.
Well you could always go away and post on Nick Robinson’s blog – oops sorry you can’t as he hasn’t posted anything since Thursday !
At love it at uni’ when the politics idiots bang on about better being in than out with the EU. I challenged one f*cktard the other week by telling him I was moving into his spare room so I could influence how he ran his household….
Politics/IR lecturers seem to have no sense of history or human nature.
Sir Michael Shite on sky News now defending Labour scum and attacking the Tories (all Thatchers fault). Standard Guardian crap “BNP BNP” Don’t vote for UKIP.
OK lets for for cheating anti English scum like Gordon McTwat shall we?
Notice how they are threatening us with the BNP, a new Weimar Republic and even a mass resignation of MPs as someone suggested on Pravda this morning. They really are shameless in their manipulation. As has been pointed out many times here, most of them are unemployable in the private sector.
What angers me most is that these uneducated and ignorant people have been passing law after law making it harder and harder for the honsest person to make a living in this country without being fined or treated and spied upon like common criminals. All the while they’ve been insulated from the very laws and in particular, the taxes that they’ve been imposing upon the rest of us.
The Civil Service run the country. MPs are only there to make laws. If they resigned we would just have to make do with the laws we have……………
I propose a session of Parliament devoted entirely to repealing most of the legislation of the past 12 years (and probably a good chunk of what preceded that too).
Hear, hear.
The thing that annoys me most (to put it politely, but use your imagination), is that it’s all tax free!
Mass resignation of MP’s?
Are they promising or threatening? If the former I’ll believe it when I see it. If the latter, they REALLY don’t get the public mood yet do they.
Ivor Biggun above introduces the concept of paying MPs a multiple of the average wage. We can debate what the multiple should be, but if my memory when Taiwan production took off in the 60′s (?) senior managers were only paid four times the rate of the lowest paid worker. It worked.
Seriously, I cannot think of a disadvantage to this system. If MP’s salaries were based on this concept there would be no need for Pay Commisions and the like. Incentive for them to improve the economy to raise the average wage
Should a HIGHER standard of behaviour apply to an MP compared to the ordinary member of the public, or a lower one?
Is it OK, for example, for me to claim that my expenses are far higher than I can prove, to reduce my tax bill? Then if I get caught just say, “sorry, family difficulties?” When Transport for London thought (wrongly) that I had not paid a Congestion Charge, they seized my car in the dead of night and I had to pay them £900 in cash to get it back. Even if I did owe them the money (which I didn’t), I don’t think they would have accepted “sorry” while waiting for me to pay back the original £60 fine.
So if MP’s are to be treated THE SAME WAY as the general public, we need all of them who have ever been SUGGESTED as having claimed excessively not just to repay the excess claimed, but also to be fully investigated, charged interest and have their, and their spouses’, tax affairs fully investigated by HMRC’s Investigations Department. That’s how WE get treated.
If they think they are ‘better’ than us, and should be exempted in some way, can someone, and the Speaker is supposed to represent the House of Commons and, I think, the Lord Chancellor the House of Lords, to stand up and explain why they should be exempt from the attentions of the law and HMRC.
On the other hand, if they are not just ordinary, but ‘Honourable’, then I suggest they should all write to HMRC, explain that they think they might have inadvertently undepaid tax, and volunteer for investigation ‘to clear their names’.
Fucking Michael Shite. On Sky News asked about the Queen dissolving Parliament due to public anger at MPs. The fucking arse shit licking Labour twat then goes into an anti Queen rant and starts attacking her. Martin Bell sitting next to him just held his head in his hands.
How can anyone take White seriously as a journalist when he’d support a piece of dog shit if it had a Labour badge on it?
All White did on Sky was attack Cameron yet every breaking news story was about Liebour sleaze.
What a fucking HuntE.
What do you expect? It’s like an old clapped out communist regime – attack all detractors, live in denial about public opinion – or hold it in disdain – pretend that the old order will continue whatever happens, and above all try to blame everyone else. The handwringing Guardianistas know that politically this is going to be another Berlin Wall moment, with the outing of labour as the crooked, greedy, incompetant pigs that they are.
Agree 100%.
Its like the last days of that shite Causescue and his Koont of a missis….that ended like this lot should.
Rally of the robbed.
When do we march?
Not soon enough!
In 2001, a backbench revolt started by MP Clive Betts, put forward a motion of doubling of the allowances. This was based on the allowances being claimed by the Lords. (Check out what they can claim, Uddin and Thrornton are being investigated at the moment, it is quite considerable) The MPs voted for it in droves. No subsequent motion was put forward to halve the allowance! So they are the authors of their own downfall.
Clive Betts – vermin.
Forget the sir grade with the sword but ask to borrow as there plenty of heads that need to roll!
Promotion for Guido now into the Lords and kick some ass when you get into that corrupt club as well.
“Lord Guido Fawkes” for services to justice and democracy at last in politics.
plus a knighthood for the person that got hold of the information that we are now being told about,if had been left to the speaker (michael martin) we would never have known….he should GO AND GO NOW
I have set up a blog: “How to remove your MP” because I want to fight MP crime and I don’t actually know how to do it. So far I have written to my local conservative association – it’s all posted at http://howtoremoveyourmp.blogspot.com/.
It is my contention that we have corrupt and stupid MP’s because most of us did not take even a passing interest in who was representing us – we left it to the corrupt parties.
All MP’s must now be vetted by their local consituency associations, and the ones that took our money should be desected. On the other hand, the few MP’s who had clean hands, even when surrounded by a culture of corruption, should be lauded and re-elected unopposed.
I presume I will quickly learn just how unresponsive the local party is to voter demand – but we shall see and I plan to chronicle their response on the blog.
If you have an interest in this, your comments and advice are very welcome.
http://howtoremoveyourmp.blogspot.com/
Crikey… MPs get £120,000 package…. As you say Guido it is because of this fudge where they get an incredible pension….
I’m not sure I would agree with you that we need the “honest poor” as MPs…
What about all the people working say in professional occupations…… do we not want to be able to attract them to be MP’s?????? I agree we don’t want people who are in it for the money thus the salary should be less than the comparable salary in the private sector….. However, we should be able to attract people to give up strong careers elsewhere… Guido your analysis on supply and demand is totally wrong!!!!!!!!! Just as there are loads of applicants to be MPs doesn’t mean there are lots of quality applicants…. Ming Campbell gave up a career in the Law to become and MP and in my view he is very capeable… would he have done so if the salary was half the amount???? I doubt it just on a pratical level of being able to take care of his family…
I do sympathise with the whole rally against the “career politician”…. (for some reason I despise the duplicity and shallowness of Ed Balls and the Millibands) however, to become say Prime Minister or a good Minister it does help to start young… and if they don’t all our leaders would be very old… i.e. a 20 year career elsewhere followed by politics would mean politicans were all in their early 40′s at the youngest and the average age would probably be mid-fifties…
So I don’t think there is an easy solution…. just having politicans who are already rich isn’t really representative… similarly so for MPs in the pockets of the unions… MPs can’t really be paid too much as it means they lose their connection withe the “people”… but pay them too little and I do think a certain number of able people will not see it as a rewarding career… personally I do think we need to be able to attract the most able to be MPs… and as this whole episode has shown somehow I don’t think there is a group of “honest poor” who are just waiting in the wings… human nature just isn’t like that…
They must be over paid already…How else would they forget that they have paid their mortgages off? It can only be that they are rolling in so much dosh that they did not notice. They assure us that it is not because they are on the fiddle, they just have bad memories that’s all.
Have they no honour these Right Honourable men, we were told to expect suicides, mass resignations.
Sure-fire Suicide Tip of the Day for MPs:
Put all your expenses claims into a neat pile and jump off the top of them.
If I got caught fiddling benefits by even £100 and got caught would they let me pay it back and say no more? Or would I end up in court?
Even if they say it was a mistake and do pay it back, action must be taken. Like against this corrupt old thieving hag:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5293973/Margaret-Becketts-600-claim-for-hanging-baskets-and-pot-plants-MPs-expenses.html
Hanging Baskets are must for any MP to carry out their duties, particularly if it a hung parliament.
who pays to water them?
Chaytor is unavailable for comment as he is on his way back from Washington on business – struggling to think what relevance Washington has to Bury North but am sure who paid for his trip.
Maybe he thought it was Washington, Co. Durham. I hope the cabin crew are watching him, people have been known to try and open doors at 30,000 feet.
Gerald Kaufman lives in a slum?
Cause and effect. As in, “there goes the neighbourhood”
I’m going Green if I can.
Haven’t bothered for decades as the system has always been so corrupt.
All those unwanted runways and big white tents in the middle of London.
But I think it’s worth getting out of bed this time to make sure these parasites are removed from there posts.
As the London Olympics is being run by Politician, I dread to imagine how much money is being diverted into their and their “friends” pockets.
Investigation in Peers who are paid consultants would bring these types of scandals into the public eye. We all no they are being paid, two of them already caught recently though and the over two had too much money and friends in higher places to be caught out. How much did they all get paid to ensure the 3rd runway they will affect millions of people who live anywhere near the north west section of M25 as aircraft noise will double. People didn’t want it Peers and MP’s got donated too and paid off to make sure it happened. Scandal that should be investigated immediately. Scam of a public inquiry as well. These worthless investigations designed to bore the public into submission are just another way for MP’s and some old boy judge to make money.
They have no intention of going with the public they are supposed to serve wishes.
You don’t need to be a politico. I know of redneck Paddy-stock builders already absolutely creaming it from the Olympic site.
The whole thing’s a balls-up
On the subject of sevicemen, expenses and pensions.
If a serviceman is caught fiddling his (her) expenses then one of the punishments (other than dismissal from the service) is loss of pension.
By the way it is the civil service pension that is keeping the workers in the fees office silent, they dare not blow the whistle as their pensions would disappear overnight. A little appreciated fact is that public service pensions are the ultimate bribe that keeps public servants loyal and silent.
Great Idea, stop there massive pensions.
Just fucking hang them. That’s tax free by the way.
Treason is no longer a capital offence – abolished by Labour in 1998. They may be stupid – but not that stupid.
surely the consequence of a profession with 200+ well qualified applicants to fill every single vacancy should be salary deflation.
Market Forces!!!
Hey
finally got my Swine Flu Leaflet
some useful points:
1. there is no evidence of this disease circulating in pigs in the UK – are you sure?
2. everyday items such as door handles, computer keyboards, mobile and ordinary phones and the tv remote control are all common…where flu can be found – We know! we’ve seen the expense forms
3. what can I do to protect myself? – Catch It, Bin It, Kill It – sounds reasonable.
4. What are the symptoms of onset of fever – headache, tiredness, sore throat, aching and loss of appetite – quite, we’ve seen them on the telly.
Remember: Catch It, Bin It, KillIt
You are all looking in the wrong direction.
It’s not really about PAY.
It’s about TIME.
No MP should be permitted to serve more than two parliaments. Ten years maximum.
If they become cabinet rank, time is suspended. To encourage the talented to remain in parliament longer.
This would mean the ‘career politicians’ are instantly killed off. They will have to find another job in the real world, as ten years is not enough time for the snout to be in the trough.
Only the those who really have sincere convictions and who ‘want to make a difference’ will remain.
Simple.
Good point and the same applies to Administrations, two terms max !
Wouldn’t they all then become “junior ministers”? they would find a way round it. it would encourage cronyism ie my mate needs to stay in. So those outside the circle would be excluded.
Agreed.
Of course there would be some cronyism, that’s inevitable in politics.
But as a ‘career politician’ you would be taking a risk that you may not have mates in the right places. Perhaps better to just take that job as a social worker, or, dare think about it, in the private sector ?
Plus the bloke in the cabinet rank, almost by definition, will be straight (I nearly wrote ‘a pretty straight sort of guy’!) because he went into politics knowing it wasn’t for the money.
This is a radical approach to the way parliament and our representatives should operate.
It needs a radical approach, in my view.
Before we decide what an MP should earn, perhaps we should consider how the hell we are going to force them to sort out this expenses nightmare.
Seems to me that before the next election every single MP needs to stand for reselection and nobody gets in “on nod”.
Candidates would need to state where they intend to live and must only claim travelling expenses from that property on the days parliament sits. No food, no furniture, no nothing else.
Failing this, every existing MP must stand down and not seek reelection
For the information of posters , particularly those nu lab drones such as “Tory Toffs” etc etc you might want to have a gander at the home of our Overlord Tam Dalyell. Next time some usefull class war idiot mouths off about Millionaires row on the Conservative benches, show him this !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Binns
He went to Eton didn’t he Tam Dalyell?
S’funny these champagne socialists don’t want the rest of us oiks to enjoy the privileges they enjoyed. I know we can’t all have it but at least give us the opportunity.
I posted yesterday about Tam Dayell.
A friend of mine provided information (or blew the whistle) to Tam Dayell about the company he worked for supplying radar/radio equipment to South Africa, which was under a military trade embargo at the time. Dayell had his 15 minutes of fame in Parliament and dined out on his coup…
My friend? He got the sack contracted ME, or the stress contributed to the condition and has never worked since.
Once Dayell had his information, my friend was cold-shouldered. Not once in 25 years has Dayell contacted my friend or shown the slightest concern about his well-being.
Susie, it seems whistle-blowers always come off very badly. They don’t do it for the money but purely out of conscience.
My respects to your friend and bless him.
Has anybody worked out the financial benefit of becoming an MP?
Salary + Employ Family + Expenses + Protected Pension + Various Directorships / Consultancy work (over a career)
An accountant friend of mine reckoned that the package was equivalent to about £300,000 a year with normal tax and pension arrangements. Obviously it has increased sharply, but if you say an average of £200,000 over the 12 year life of this parliament, it comes to £2.4 million. Of course the ministers get another £80,000, plus chauffeur driven transport, and the big ones get grace-and-favour residences as well.
They certainly have.
That’s why they do it.
That is why they should not be permitted to serve more than TWO parliaments.
See 303 for the solution.
See 303 for the solution.
Rule 303?
About £3million over the 12 year life of this parliament, I am told.
I once had the misfortune to meet a woman who was trying to become a labour candidate for somewhere in Nottinghamshire. Fuck me, she was a pig! Funny thing was, she didn’t have a clue about anything. She’d never held down a proper job and the only thing she knew how to do was get past selection committees. Her big ideas came from a despicable scroungeing hippy who had never worked or been out into the big wide world himself. He was one of those eternal degree students whose fees were paid by his Greek girlfriend’s family. Both the prospective labour MP and her layabout, hippy-student speechwriter were the biggest pair off free-loaders I’d ever met. I have had a healthy disdain for wannabe MPs ever since. Shoot the bastards!
love it !
We need Georgia Gould in labour.
So what WordPress if this is a duplicate comment. It remains true
You need Georgia Gould to be in labour?
Can I help towards that in any way?
Things will change don’t think so ,the only thing this 646 are sorry for is they got caught,once the smellygraph news cycle on this is finished then the braindead public will have their nose rings pulled and onto something else and things will carry on just as before.
Vote anyone but lib/lab/con. Fuck them all!
Lady Mandyson must be busy this weekend thinking up Ideas to take the heat away from the situation. I suppose there will be a raid tomorrow morning on some innocent Muslims who will get arrested for what ever crime Mandyson makes up. Then they will get released without charge in several weeks time. Or maybe the army will be sent out with no explanation to surround Luton airport.
I personally think only invading France will take my eye off what’s going on.
I for one hate the French who send all refugees to soft touch UK to be given free expenses just like MP’s!
Racialist. We should welcome our Moslem brothers with open arms
You aint my brother pigsy.
At least i know who my father is, you fuckers dont and might just be brothers….
Where’s our beloved leader?
Gone to ground again. I wonder why?
PB.com some of the commentators were saying he’s on the big ears marr show on Sunday.
Perhaps he’s accepted that Cameron is Prime Minister already
Are you Fecking insane.
Public still remember what happened last time you bunch of crooks were in and what expenses you all been claiming.
Paying it back doesn’t wash it.
Stealing is stealing and you all got caught.
Jail is the only action that will be accepted by the public.
It’s also amazing no MP has yet resigned still claiming they were within their rules. Unfortunately those rules are corrupt and not one MP from any party did anything about it so it will be a pleasure to take part in elections coming up to fire them all.
He’s fucking useless isn’t he? Never has the country needed a strong leader in Parliament since Crommwell and we have Mcavity Brown keeping a low profile ruling by independent enquiry.
Richard Timney would be fucking useless. That is if he is off the couch and Mrs T is at their secondary residence.
The number of MPs should be reduced by 25% and the pay reduced to £55,000 plus expenses (real ones, not the bonanza these bastards have been giving themselves).
Parliament should have fixed terms along the lines of the German model. Primaries are no good since they cost a fortune, but there should be recall elections (as in some American states) for any MP who pisses off a large enough group of his/her constituents.
Did someone say Bonaza?
or even Bonanza?
We want people in politics who are more like good priests – poor and honest.
Like the Knights Templar?
Dunno, just seen that Tom Hanks film and we need to be careful what we wish for.
Yes, I think that the cancer of the free masons within our parliament should be removed.
It won’t be but it should be investigated and those found to belong thrown out.
But those B’stards have spy’s everywhere and they run all the professions such as doctors. They protect there own but this time I don’t think the public will accept some free mason MP saying they made a mistake when if fact they stole public money and should therefore go to jail.
‘Ang on a minute pal, not all Doctors are shakey-paws!!
Guido…..your comment above re Margaux
I had no idea that once you set the hare running, you actually read this rubbish
Someone has to do the dirty work.
ah, don’t be so hard on yourself…
Korolenko (1890) :”We’ve fallen upon bad times. Something alien and deforming has come among us…. a new breed of career socialists is arising.”
Does anything ever change?
I’m sick of MPs blaming the system – why don’t they have the b*lls to blame yourselves.
The actual figures for European voting intention were CON 28%(-9), LAB 19%(-3), LDEM 19%(nc), UKIP 19%(+12!), GRN 6%(+2), BNP 3%(-1).
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/2124
I bet any MP £1 million that I will not win the lotto jackpot tonight.
How about voting a dalek as prime minister.
Anything or anyone could do a far better job.
We need someone who will jail corrupt bankers or just EXTERMINATE them all.
It would be better at wars than our current war criminal prime minister no one even voted for!
Perhaps when the new crop of wanaby crooks gets voted in we can at least have a real inquiry into the illegal war in Iraq and jail those responsible for the cover up and murder of Dr David Kelly.
Don’t forget that a higher basic pay will also give the troughers a higher gold plated pension. Final salary schemes are dead and buried for the majority of people, but not civil servants. All thanks to G Brown who raided the pension funds years ago.
These public sector and politicians inflation indexed pension schemes should be scrapped. These people have got the country into a mess. They should be the first to suffer.
Isn’t it ironic that Labour MP’s in particular seem to be admitting to oversights and mistakes. Surely not, New Liebour just don’t make mistakes or screw ups, do they.
God I’m so dissillutioned, I thought the problems that this country is having was all due to outside influences and not the fact that we have had a party of useless, lieing, incompetent fuck whits in power.
re mps pay…..
how much do the squaddies get paid sorting out blairs shit?
how much do nurses get?
646 hoons!
Nurses earn a bloody fortune for mopping piss and dribble. Scandalous
Actually they get paid a bloody fortune to say “That’s not my, job, I’m a highly trained professional” and then get an ancillary to do it. Eventually.
The analogy between MPs and social workers is I believe unfair to social workers. Last week a Labour MP was on Radio5 justifying her existence by claiming that her office dealt with some of her constituents’ benefits queries. The BBC went to the constituency of a Labour MP caught up in the expenses scandal and after interviewing over 60 of his constituents finally found one who had a positive word for the disgraced MP. The constituent’s praise was due to the MP helping her with housing benefit. I therefore suggest that MPs salaries should be comparable to someone who answers benefits queries.
Hmmm: This should have been funny. But it isn’t.
I am looking forward to next Wednesday’s PMQ ,when they start calling each other “Right Honourable” and “Honourable”
Scalp #3: Chaytor suspended.
Don’t you mean Cheator?
No way should these greedy shits get another penny!
Have they not stolen enough already?
And now they think theyre worth another 30k to make up for the loss of their corrupt fiddling?
YOU BASTARDS!!! Dirty thieving RACKETEERS!!! MAFIOSO!!! BENEFiT FRAUDSTERS!!!
If this crap goes ahead then im going to be out there with a fucking pitchfork along with a couple of hundred thousand others, make no fucking mistake, theyve pushed us over the edge and now its payback.
I make no claims off the state, i get no benefits, i make meagre amounts by my own hand and honest graft, not even anywhere close to what these fucks are scamming.
THEY MUST BE STOPPED!! AT ANY COST!
After all the revelations, after all the fiddles exposed and they STILL DONT GET IT!!!
They still think theyre entitled to filtch off the public purse, because somehow theyre worth it!
Can you fucking believe them?
I really am starting to think that the only way these Huntz will understand is when they start seeing their “comrades” hanging off the lamposts lining the streets of london town, maybe thats what its going to take before they “get it”.
Standby for a new “terrorist” outrage to be perpertrated by the zanustate party to distract attention from all this in the coming weeks, its what they regularly do.
Strange that the only real terrorists are resident in the halls of our supposed democratic parliament.
If you look back over the years, these fucks have inflicted more in the way of “terror” on the people in this country and others than ANY terrorist group in history.
We need a clear out.
Im not into camerons torys, im as far removed as possible from Brownstumpfers Zanushithead party as its possible to be, we need a change from this tory/zanu/tory/zanu seesaw thats creating all this fucking shit for us, we need to fuck them both off.
I dont know what to be replaced with but whatever it is, it could hardly be any fucking worse than this gaggle of semi human rectoids.
Fuck em off, lets start right from square one and lets make sure the pressure kept right on them, theyre fond of watching us from behind their bulletproof glass on their cameras ( popular arent they?) lets give them twice as much right back on them and get em out, gone.
And breathe….
How about a petition to Her Majesty to recognise an emergency which the normal political system has created but cannot resolve, asking her to declare a state of emergency and call a constitutional convention to make new arrangements? Elections to this body should be held immediately, and all existing parliamentary parties and their MP’s should be prohibited from participation. All current MP’s should be incarcerated until the new assembly decides their fate.
Great post Sid! I do see the pitch forks coming out at this rate. I was also wondering if brown and his dishonest bunch are planning a false flag of some sort to disract atenttion away from him.
‘Ambition is the last refuge of failure.’
But the poor dears are underpaid – Nadine Dorries says on her blog that most MPs “live a normal, frugal existence and struggle to pay the bills”.
If she sucked her constituents off instead of sucking off them, she’d maybe be worth her expenses.
Don’t you mean, sucking them off?
I know what meant.
So does nadine. I have a problem with Balls can she help i wonder?
Oh per-leese!!
Pass the (all-expenses-paid) bucket – it’s essential to me job
At your sevice.
I wouldn’t mind MPs getting more salary if they did what they swore to do and were elected to do – Act as a check on the Government and represent our interests. They are wholly defective in those roles because they are grasping, idle, selfish and have abandoned their duties to us and this country.
The easy way to rebuff any comparisons with actual professions is that they have fantastic pensions, fantastic job security as they can only be sacked by us at an election, require no qualifications or training (though troughing seems to have been educated into them on the job), and they have no true responsibility because there are no serious consequences for cocking up – a plague that has swept across this nation’s public sector.
If they want to be thought of as professional they need to act like it first.
Your country needs YOU!
Vote Screaming Lord Sutch for Prime Minister
Politics is already dead so why not have a new dead PM worthy of the post.
Having one thats just brain dead is bad enough.
Nadine Dorries has updated her blog and provided 9some0 more information as to her personal circumstances; albeit it is still far from clear whether she is justified in claiming ACA on the constituency home.
It all seems to hang on the issue of where her main home is. On the basis that she spends a considerable amount of time in the constituency (commuting back and forth with fellow workers – admirable) and she spends most of the parliamentary recess abroad, it seems she has little (by comparison) opportunity to spend days and nights at her rented Cotswold property, which she claims as her main home.
Therefore it is difficult to see how she could reasonably pass the Green Book test that her main home (the rented Costswold property) is normally the place where MP’s spends most (the majority) of their time.
On the face of it, and without anyone having details of the precise number of nights spent in each location over a 12-month period, it would seem that it is the constituency house that is her main residence, in so much she spends more time there than anywhere else.
Which would mean she is not reasonably entitled to claim the ACA on that property, despite her shrill claims to the contrary.
Rather amusing also that her separated husband lives in her “main home” during the week, but moves out with his girlfriend so that Nadine can stay there at the weekends!
Thats unusually accomodating of her? Hells Bells!
Scousers never cease to amaze.
Great post from Nadine on 14th May (Powder & Paint).
“Waiting for a meeting to start with David Cameron, George et al, and thought I would quickly powder my nose.
David came into the room behind me, and I just clocked him in the mirror before he leaned over my shoulder, and asked: “Is that Gordon’s make-up you’re using?”
As if! His shade is much darker than mine.”
At least it shows Dave has some sense of perspective about things (& a sense of humour).
What’s Dave doing in the ladies loo?
Why the fuck does she spend All Summer abroad? she’s still drawing an MP’s salary isn’t she?
I have just written on her “moderated” blog for her to publish her diary to show her contention that she is honest and above board. it will be interesting to see if she allows it to go through or edit it in favour of partial comments.
Well bugger me (proverbial obviously) The first one was not published but I posted again thus …….
“Publish your diary to prove your honesty. Post your reply to this request. This is also being published on Guido’s blog!”
…….and it got an immediate publishing. Now all we need to see is Nadine’s diary to see how honest she actually is.
ha ha that must have got her worried
The main point with Dorries is that while her “second home” is in the constituency, her other is in the Cotswolds. There is no reason why she should be claiming a penny.
The second home allowance is there to allow MPs to have a place in their constituency and another in London, so they can efficiently discharge their professional duties. Dorries seems to think it is there for MPs to have two homes wherever she likes, at the taxpayers expense.
She’s easily in the top 3 worst offenders. Arguably number one given her total lack of remorse. I can’t understand why more isn’t being made of this.
I am reluctant to place any of these Hoons in any sort of order. To my mind if a PROPER and DILIGENT Police investigation was done on every MP and their claims then they would all be put into prison, probably with a few exceptions.
The key to it all is the Fees office, the supervision and leadership of it. It is and was the HUB of claims going in and being approved.
In any CONSPIRACY there has to be a linking element. There can be individuals that don’t know what other individuals have done. It is irrelevant. All TROUGHERS were allowed to trough by a CORRUPT system that encouraged the troughing. So it is irrelevant the degree of troughing.
Show the lie / dishonesty / trough and you get the conviction.
Further, the diligent investigation will show spin offs that would only become apparent once personal records are seized. For example, if one has been flipping as one does when laundering the stolen money, the banks / solicitors / estate agents etc etc have to certain the money is coming from legal sources. How many would have made DILIGENT enquiries to ensure that the monies were actually lawful?
There is a can of worms here that once the lid is blown would decimate the political classes. THat is why there is a RELUCTANCE to investigate thoroughly. AND THAT IS CORRUPT TOO.
I am appalled that the Commissioner / CPS have not instigated as a matter of urgency their discussions and let all of the people in the country know the extent of the enquiry. They have the POWER to approach a High Court Judge and seek a warrant to obtain the evidence contained in all the records held in the House. In fact they should be investigating BOTH Houses of Parliament.
The first port of call should be the Prime Minister and the Cabinet. That would cause a seismic explosion, which would need an IMMEDIATE general Election.
Root out the Corruption at the Heart of our Democracy……THE WORLD IS WATCHING and more importantly so are the humble voter.
The problem is that the pay is too low to attract anyone competent, but looks like a good deal to lots of useless deadbeats. So lots of useless deadbeats become MPs.
Simple solution – pay them what they earned before they entered Parliament.
That way no-one loses out by being an MP, but no-one will do it for the money. To stop fiddles, calculate pay as the average of the three years before they were elected, as declared for tax purposes. Increased by RPI while they remain MPs.
Parliament-owned digs for them in London, one secretary between three, standard class rail fare.
Easy.
I know a lot of well-paid incompetents.
Sir, Why do you suppose “anyone competent” would need more than the present £64.000 a year MPs starting pay? There are hundreds of thousands of competent people who would do an MPs job at a sixth of that salary or less. You seem to be a product of the New Labour era where only things that cost a lot of money are considered worth having.
Simply because we are paying £64,000 and haven’t got any competent ones.
I suppose it may be that the selection process is at fault as well as the salary.
Richard, read your comment first before hitting “submit Comment”. If it looks like you are talking pish, then either you are talking pish, or you are working for ZanuLiebour.
Salaries in our country bear no relation to the competence of those receiving them. Mr Goodwin proves that one beyond reasonable doubt.
You must be really stupid not to be able to survive on a salary 2.5 times the national average which is worth more than this as MPs have a higher tax Free Allowance than ordinary members of the public and a £10 000 a year Communications allowance that does not have to be spent on communication.
646 MPs x £125k = over £80,750,000 just in basic salaries alone.
That doesn’t include increased pay for more senior MPs.
Try 323 MPs and the sums look better
How about making them pay for the privilege?
Labour voters need reminding again and again about the stunning con trick that has been pulled on them.
Those on the minimum wage pay tax and NI contributions to enable Labour Ministers and MPs to live like Royalty, unashamedly taking more and more, (don’t forget cigarette tax, drink tax, petrol tax, etc) so that they can make millions out of property empires funded by the tax payer.
A feeling of betrayal is in order.
You also forget MPs changed the law to make themselves rich and benefit from the crash in house affordability.
I hope MPs are getting out and knocking on a few doors this weekend to find out just how strongly the public feels about all this.
This issue is a huge talking point among people of all walks of life – save perhaps the lower end of the underclass who themselves claim every benefit going, have no intention of ever working, and couldn’t give a shit what is happening providing they have access to their fags, crack, pizzas and porn.
People are genuinely angry, furious even, as was illustrated on Question Time when that smug old trout Becket tried to brazen it out and was put in her place for doing so by the booing audience.
We are long overdue for change. A good start would be a general election.
NuLabour has failed miserably. They have let the country down, they have robbed us, they have destroyed the education and the prospects of our children. They have tried to engineer social change, yet done so in a way that penalises those who work hard and try to better themselves.
They have created a lawless, indolent underclass, thrown billions at a health service which still struggles along like a clapped out old carthorse ready for the knackers yard, they have paralysed debate by screaming “racist” if anyone questions policy on immigration, or wants a discusion about certain “communities”, they have pushed their own pet agendas allowing those with the loudest, shrillest voices to claim victimhood where non exists.
They have turned out legal system into a farce, using the police to investgate leaks yet allowing serial criminals and other assorted toerags to walk from court time and time again.
They claim to represent the poor yet social mobility has stagnated under their tenure. The poor stay poor, a nasty, cynical bit of social engineering to maintain a labour voting, benefits-dependant underclass. For the same reasons they have bloated the public sector creating well paid non jobs for their labour voting cronies – this is mass corruption and gerrymandering on a huge, shamefull scale, and all paid for by us.
I honestly don’t know if their replacements will be any better, but I hope so. I hope for a Government which rewards hard work, which fosters community, and penalises those who wish subvert our way of life, or to leach off of our goodwill, but which also helps those who are genuinly, through no fault of their own, in need.
I hope for politicians who work for the good of the electorate, not their own self aggrandisment. For a Government which listens to the pople who put it there, and stops spying on them, manipulating them, lecturing them, and thieving from them.
Too much to ask?
Yes, they have done all of the above and more which makes the self seeking all the more difficult to take. But with career politicians you simply end up with a large number of lobby fodder people, provided at great expense. They have no intention of representing the views of their constituents they have their careers to think of.
Letting down is a bit weak? It was all an exercise in vanity. They have raped our culture, criminalised it.
Quote “I honestly don’t know if their replacements will be any better, but I hope so. ”
Come come now. I think you do know if their replacements will be any better. The short answer is that they won’t. Deck chairs and Titanic come to mind.
Just for a short time this debacle may give us better replacements – but I doubt it, especially with the Euro Fantasy state breathing down our necks. All very depressing really, unless the DT can do the same trick with the Europee-on parliament.
Agree it’s pretty depressing especially as Call me Dave has become Blair II.
All MPs and corrupt Peers should resign NOW.
Party leaders used to tell their MPs whenever they felt that a General Election was imminent – “Go back to your Constituencies – and Prepare for Government!” I fear that in some cases this weekend it will be “Go back to your Constituencies – and Prepare for De-selection !” There are several MPs in both the Tory and Labour Parties who will not be MPs in the next Parliament and not necessarily because they lost to their opponents at the election – some may not even be fighting the next election
Vote Green forget the kit kat party
Vote Green even more Socialist than the Socialist only difference is the tofu and sandals.
That’s all we need. More bloody windmills.
I thought they were the looney fringe of the LibDems
UKIP are just the blues in disguise.
I won’t be voting for more crooks who lie there way into power promising the earth but just delivering the shit that comes from it.
And the Blues are just the New reds in disguise.
Didn’t know Birmingham City were that in to politics
Where’s the EX justice minister?
As there is no Justice Minister at the moment, would it be correct to say there is No Justice anymore?
Reading through his Bible again to see where he went wrong?
That an MP would consider the book of rules and regulations on expenses as his “Bible” says it all really.
His “bible” is a green covered edition of the Koran
The stench of corruption from Muslum (sic) local politics?
Who’d have thought it?
A horrible suspicion has just occurred… they wouldn’t away be plotting the next ‘terrorist alert’ would they? Short of declaring another war, that’s Gorgon’s last hope.
Moslems will rule this country! Die infidel! May Allah strike you all down!
Confirmation, if any was ever needed, that the 2@s in Brussels are even more crooked: http://tinyurl.com/6zzw4m
I suspect that the Westminster 2@s are just apprentices, learning their trade before going to the EU Parliament.
With a creep like Malik as Justice Minister, there never was any.
Is this the first time MPs will be working at the weekend? How long does it take to explain stealing?
Looking forward to what excuses they all come up with. A little surprised no one has done the “honorable” thing and resign before the public sack them at the next election.
Is anything going to be done to bump up MPs protection now that they cannot walk down the street anymore?
Walk down streets? They don’t walk amongst us proles………
I am going to have look see later on to see if my MP is at home in his newly refurbished cottages. (It was two but he had them knocked into one. Can’t see him stopping there post GE. Looks more like an investment.)
Obviously, anyone honourable is unlikely to be an MP. Perhaps the rot really set in when they started to have guards. When was that? Did Blair start it? There’s no political value in killing an MP or official or minister because they’re instantly replaced by someone similar. Probably they felt guilty and in need of protection from the public, long before the public found out about them.
It is hard to believe that Jacqui Smith the only MP to put porn on expenses.
You mean she actually paid for that 9 inch black rubber cock and crotchless knicks out of her own pocket??? Fuck me…. actually, dont.
There is a Liberal MP who spent over £1000.00 on mirrors, and what do you think Malik was watching on his enormous TV while he sat in his vibrating chair?
One thing the public can do to make life hard for these Huntz is to shun them- actively.
Heaven forbid., I want the whole world to know what a bunch of Huntz they are.
keep letting them all know that even if they pay the money back won’t make any difference. They made a mistake all right. They stole from us and can’t wait to sack my MP come polling day. Really looking forward to the door knockers coming round as well. They are sure to get what for from me. That’s if they can get out of the ambulance that surely will have to follow them round. I personally can’t see them lasting one street before needing to be taken to hospital.
BLAST THE HOONS GIVE THEM EVERYTHING YOU’VE GOT GOOD SIR, SO ALL THEIR CANVASSERS GIVE UP ON THE FIRST DAY I SAY.
Guido for PM.
Makes perfect sense someone who actually knows what’s going on and would sort it all out.
Sir Guido just isn’t right.
Lord Guido much better.
Lord Guido of Hoon Hoon Hoon
Sounds good to me…
or Lord Guido the Piggie Sticker…
Baron Fawkes of Blog
That Lib Dem M with the four mirrors on expenses has just been on Sky. Judging by the state of him they must all be cracked.
Seven years bad luck coming his way with a bit of luck.
Are the MPs who have been suspended getting full pay and expenses?
No MP has been suspended, MPs can not be suspended. Yes those under investigation are still on full pay and expenses.
So the Beeb lie to us as well then!
Just suspension from the PLP – perhaps they get to save their subscription?
Suspension by their necks,like Ball’s relative Hr Hitler did.
They’ll duck and dive, hoping the fuss will blow over leaving them all free to trrough for at least another year. A little embarassment is well worth it to them. Scum.
WHEN . . .
will we have the info on the
Future Home Secretary
and the
Future Chancellor of Dosh
and the previous
‘PRIME’ MINISTER
?
I hope they go back the 20 years when this expense system was put in place.
I thought is was hilarious last week the GB said that his party was going to “change a system that was introduced 20 years ago”
That just sums up the system we have to put up with. They have kept this golden goose living for as long as possible and I hope the police go back see who got paid for mortgages that didn’t exist and take action to put them all behind bars.
According to a helpful graphic in today’s Daily Telegraph titled “MP’s Expenses Revealed to Date – By Party”, statistics which may help you work out when you might expect such revelations are:
Lab – 51
Con -34
LD – 12
SF – 5
SNP – 2
DUP – 2
Ind – 1
You won’t find many mainstream politcians being publicly critical of the EU. It represents another bite of the cherry.
I think you’ll find that cherry is just about to get squashed.
The EU gangsters-in-chief quickly realised the way to make countries a bit more enthusiastic was to set in place a trough so large, so overflowing with publicly funded swill, that politicians would see it as a nestegg to look forward to when they were rumbled by their own electorate.
No wonder the EU never gets its accounts signed off – it is the mafia by any other name.
From Doug Carswell’s blog:
Scottish MP, Jo Swinson has now signed the motion calling on Michael Martin to step down as Speaker – and she declares publicly in the Herald. I can’t find her actual article online yet, but I’m told it’s a devastating read.
This means that even Mr Martin’s own constituency Member of Parliament is now calling on him to quit the Speaker’s chair. It is truly without precedent.
Watch out for any big beasts over the weekend.
I’d rather watch out for big breasts.
Might get them both son…
Jo Swinson’s article:
http://www.theherald.co.uk/politics/news/display.var.2508545.0.Is_the_public_justified_to_lose_confidence_in_our_politicians.php
If only we could sell licences to hunters to track down, shoot and stuff our political big beasts! How much would say a Russian Oligarch or Japanese art collector pay to be able to display say, a stuffed Prescott, in pie-eating pose, or hang Brown’s head over his mantelpiece with a recording of his gibbering speeches?
Thank you Guido
I’m glad someone has finally said the obvious truth: MPs are overpaid. A very basic salary, a room in a block of flats somewhere in London, furnished with the cheapest stuff argos can provide, economy class train tickets to constituency and stationery costs met – that is ALL they need. McMental, Vaz, Lord Mangledbum, Hoon should give back their property – we bought it!
I think our rallying cry ought to be that there is absolutely no way in Hell that an MP should earn more than a soldier in the Army. I will accept if they get a (very limited) few expenses paid for, but the basic MP salary should be just under that of a newly enlisted private.
Maybe someone can start a petition to that end?
Plus if they were on low wages they would be less inclined to stoke another boom in property prices – which the current creation of new money will eventually lead to.
All properties paid for by the public should be seized back from those who claimed for them illegally.
Arrest and jail those who did this.
Thank you – and when, – or even before – that job is finished, there’s an even greater job waiting, namely, cleaning up and clearing out
Local Authority
NHS
‘University’ (sic)
Inspectorates in general
QUANGOs
ED-YER-KASHUN
Careerists, ‘Professional’ committee personnel (the sort that appear on every committee), and so on.
Lots and lots more work to do.
Who is able, – and capable – of taking it on?
Bring back the army from abroad. Now they’ve had some shooting practice they are urgently needed at home!
Another trophy head for the Telegraph and the boar hunters:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8053084.stm
One little piggie went to the House of Commons and dropped his Y fronts
Two little piggies bought 40 foot wide screen cinemas
Three little piggies bought ladies underwear to wear on their heads as decoration
Four little piggies bought tampaxes to stick up their own bums
Five little piggies got Poles to clean their swimming pools
Six little piggies bought porno magazines for their husbands
Seven little piggies stuck Mock Gothic shit to their faces
Eight little piggies bought Persian carpets
Nine little piggies got their Persian carpets cleaned by illegal Afgan immigrants
Ten little piggies did wee wee on the Floor of the HoC
/……………..
Where is my fooking G & T you kont Prezza…
These litttle piggies have finally driven me mad Guido…
Over and OUT…
Hah 40″ wide screen — cheapskates! My neighbouring constituency’s MP (shortly to be an ex-MP and deselected) David Ruffley claimed this little lot:
David Ruffley, the shadow Home Office minister, “flipped” his second home from a London flat to his Bury St Edmunds constituency before spending thousands of pounds on furniture and fittings. He successfully claimed for a £1,674 sofa – but was refused the full amount when he claimed for a £2,175 46-inch Sony widescreen HD television from Harrods. An attempt to claim £6,765 for the purchase of several bedroom items was reduced by £4,748.
I do hope when the dust has settled and they are back in the real world trying to find an ordinary job (and who’d employ a bent MP?) they’ll realise just how expensive those fripperies really were and how much more it’s ended up costing them, instead of us.
It’s all good clean fun GUIDO
PLEASE do jnot moderate me
It’s my last stand…
Certainly no election until de-selections have been completed in all Party.
Good one:
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/RipoffMPs/
Pay them the average salary for the role they have worked in the longest within the private sector (exempt the medical proffesion, police, fire service and military from this, they recieve their highest pay from said role in the public sector)
Give them free travel from their constituancy and westminister, provide a block of flats within westminster for those who live two far away to travel on a daily basis (or are too fat to walk for 30 minutes)
personal mp staff are to be hired and paid by the the local constituancy, the mp they are asigned to is responsible for their mistakes (just like in the real world)
no expenses too be paid for, as stationary, equipment, office etc will be provided by the local council or the house of commons where neccasary.
all to be signed for and returned once the mp sreps down or is removed by the will of the people.
that’s a start any way.
If it becomes necessary to cull due to swine flue will this include all those pigs in house or are they exempt?
All swine’s in the house are exempt from everything, including the law.
Wouldn’t it be a good idea if we made “house” stealing a crime?
And exactly where did Steen’s high value vintage car stable come from? More to this one than meets the eye. Dig,dig,dig.
Has anyone seen Lord Gerald Kaufman of Persian carpet fame ??
Probably sat on his imported carpet watching Jacqui Smith’s porn films on his £8,500 B&O TV.
He’s a global problem that started in the middle east.
Public Inquiry is needed.
This is the only way to steal even more money from behind the publics back with several commitees designed to cover this crime up. Then in several months time come up with a report saying they didn’t really steal anything they just “made a mistake” or blame it all on some poor B’stard who new feck all about it.
I’m Free!
(For the usual fee of course)
Cheeky b’stard claimed £16,000 for a bookcase.
How come he didn’t get one for less than £100 from Ikea like everyone else.
Was it hand made by Michael fecking Angelo?
No, but it was wholly and exclusively necessary to be an MP. You peasants wouldn’t understand.
No his Polish batman for £20 and they split the rest betwene them.
Amen.
58,931
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/please-go/
With the inspired decision of the DT to buy the “discs”,surely it’s time to install the Barclay Bros into number 10. With their utopian socialist record they are the perfect example of committment to public service. They have created a true meritocracy on Sark,where all residents are equal and the population enjoy the highest per capita income on earth.
I think they’re feudal landlords – not my cup of tea. Is it really yours?
I suspect that witty irony may have been deployed here.
I am back my friends
I am roaming in the House of Commons
It is empty
All the piggies have flown
I am introducing my Horse to the premises
He will be Speaker next week
The new regime will be cruel for piggies
Hard labour I say
before being hung out to dry
More later
I’d vote for you Caligua as long as i get free membership to your brothels old boy.
See I completely disagree with this, I think MPs should be paid more and that the result will be the opposite of careerist politicians. What we need is to tempt people across from business/industry into Parliament, people who can actually run things rather the current lot of careerist politicians that we currently have.
Oh yes,swap one mafia for another mafia,most of British management is crap,it goes from one company to another ,sucking the money out for themselves until the company collapses and then goes on to to do the same elsewhere.
One little piggie went to market
Two little piggies dropped their Y fronts
….
(redacted)
Ten little piggies did wee wee on the Floor of the House of Commons…
OK now ?
Thank you Lord Guido…
I would recommend the Heather Brooke wikipedia page which shows how hard the parliamentary system worked to try and avoid all the expenses coming in to the public domain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_Brooke
Nice link. Thanks
Thank you! I have read your link and am appalled to read what a thug Michael Martin is. He threatened her with bankruptcy!
She is a noble lady, and should be recognised as such and appointed to the Lords by the next government, which should also ensure that the Labour lobbyists are expelled and jailed.
*taps nose*
You havent seen me
Nurse allowing you out today Gordon ?
Excuse me sir, but I don’t think them flies were designed to be left open?
Stop eating the flowers you twat.
We really should pay them minimum wage (and minimum holidays) and if they don’t turn up for work more than 3 times sack the them. That should sort out those who actually want to help this country, as opposed to those who just want to help themselves!
I won’t say what I really think, because that involves a bargeload of MPs floating past the Houses of Parliament and a damn good fire … but, hell, it’s a lovely vision
Looking forward to seeing picks of long queues of ex MPs at the job center as I expect companies who paid them “Donations” won’t want anyone to know or suspect they were paid for favors!
Have the met dropped the investigation of the “leaker” ?!
I think the Met and CPS would be lynched if they arrested the “leaker” now…
When the British People are engry
Justice will be done
And it is the piggies who are going to pay now…thanks to you Guido (and Heather etc)
Can you imagine the Speaker having covered up all this grotesque shit “IN THE PUBLIC INTERERST”
I think the GORBAL’s COVER UP amounts to treason…
They’re “considering it”, and I expect they still will be doing no more than that until instructed to drop it by Martin’s successor.
Anyone seen our old friend “Ronnie” Cohen ?
Chief “fundraiser” for Mad Gordon ?
Is the Labour Party now bankrupt ??!
It’s been morally bankrupt for a long time.
Manifesto of The Darling must Go Party.
Darling must go.
Current membership 1
Now 2
Fuck you two!
If 525 and 532 are both of the female persuasion, the membership could be four, before the next election.
I will come clean. Tossed out male pensioner who paid all his taxes, never claimed benefits, has educated his children privately from earned taxed income, has paid CGT on gains(when markets rose), saved for retirement, supports micro charities, seen pension fund destroyed, seen savings rate reduced to nothing, hoped for a comfortable retirement and now faces prospect of shelf stacking at Tescos.
The Darling must Go Party is my feeble pathetic response.
It may keep me sane.
Do join.
That’s 3 of us.
550(Press B) see Susie has joined to make three.
Trust you can now join. You have been press ganged to we are 4.
I am surprised the Crown Prosecution Service still has that title. Most apt in the coming blood letting.
Then again Crown Prosecution sort of diverts the blame,
“It wasn’t us mate who prosecutes you, its the Queen……..”
Resign Your Seats Now You Troughing Bustards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why hasn’t the queen said anything about this scandal. Is she amused or amazed by whats been happening like the rest of us?
Gob smacked I think
And she is pretty old now…
But she did summon the Governor of the Bank of England for an explantion of the national bankruptcy stakes (for the first time in over 50 years!)
She must have seen somehting in the cabinet papers she receives which really worried her
But she is now operating discreetly through the PRIVY COUNCIL
When you see in the papers any reference to éa delegation of Privy Councillors” will speak to Gorbals (to tell him to fook off to the Gorbals) you can be pretty sure she has a hand in it…
I refer the honorable gentleman to read up on Oliver Cromwell.
Problem is the Crown Prosecution Service don’t realise that they’re supposed to be prosecuting the Crown, rather than being a load of pussies and doing little except protecting the Crown and her supporting serfs in Parliament!!!
Problem is complete shits like Keith Vaz are in the privy council and star chamber so the queen gets fed a right load of bullshit and they give there mates a warning before she makes her move.
Announcement
The central Soviet of the British Labour Parrty has decided to change its name
from “NEW ZANU LABOUR PARTY” to “THE MOCK TUDOR LABOUR PARTY”
We want to be modern and gay…
The gayer the better in fact…
Your opinion please…
Lady Mandyson has cancelled his order for brown mock tudor and re-ordered pink ones!
OH
Really ?
he always was one for the tittie colours…
But it so modern and gay after all…
No mocking allowed – especially of men in tights – unless it’s in mockney
After they win the election itll be compulsory to take it up the shitter with these bastards.
If that applies to my wife, I’ll vote for them.
Am listening to question time at the moment and the word “honourable” has been queried in relation to the members. If nothing else happens it would be a bloody good idea to drop this ridiculous misnomer for what is apparently a substantial number of MP’s who are most definitely not even close to being remotely honourable in any sense of the word.
I think they should do the honest thing and use the following when replying in the house. “I would like to ask the dis honourable memer of XYZ”
At least if they told the truth the public might give them a tiny bit of credit?
Sky and BBC should at least flash up the names and their frauds (sorry – mistakes,accounting errors,errors of judgments,sloppy paperwork,family crisis) on the screen,each time the said fraudster appears on the TV – PMQ on Wednesday would be really interesting;
Speaker (soon to be made to walk home up the M6 carrying Gordon Brown’s make up bag);
“Question from Mr Chaytor”
Sky fact box flashes across bottom of screen; [£13,000 fraud,was freeloading in US when he was told the bad news]
Hoon u r able
I claimed for an £8,000 Bang & Olufsen TV (rejected) and a £1,400 imported rug…all in the best possible taste!
But of course Gerald…
You always knew how to “fix” things…
Sorry you have a spot of bother
WHich Prison would you like ?
It’ll have to be an Open Prison because I’m currently appearing in The Simpsons as Hans Moleman.
How much did Michael Fabricant claim for his rug?
If you need the telly to only watch comedy like the BBC Parliament channel then I guess that is ok. But as you can get a telly for £80 you should really pay the rest back you stealing scumbag!
It about time MPs all tightened their belts!
Preferably around their necks please!
I AM HETEROPHOBIC
NEW WORD FOR ALL YOU HOMOPHOBIC PIGGIE CHASERS…
GET IT…?
We are going tp spin you now Lord Mandelcash until you are quite dizzy and fall down like Humpty Dumpty..
You will then be carted off to a wood alone…
The Stout Party has hed its best week since 1997…
Relatively easy to work out the value of an MP. Take the average of his previous 5 years earnings before entering Parliament.
If a student or not having worked take their grants as an average.
Up the latest submitted tax return (or annual pay slip) by say 10% to represent an incentive to enter parliament. Then they get paid that. Pay rises in line with inflation like the rest of us. Bonus payments made on
Individual
- attendance
- # of committees they sit on (and attend)
- % of increase in their personal vote every election
- % of reduction in Parliament costs
UK Plc
- Increase in GDP
- Increase in manufacturing output (as opposed to non jobs)
- Reduction in overall tax burden to individuals
- Reduction in illegal / econonomc migrants
- Reduction in people on any benefits
- Reduction in class sizes
- Reductions in waiting time
- Increase in # of NHS doctors, dentists
and probably 100 more.
There will also be an annual reduction of 10% of seats until the govt reaches an agreed level of MP’s / 100k headcount.
Pretty hard to be eager and keen when there is no real incentive other than to take the Golden eggs on offer (i admit there are some genuine good eggs in there (Hoey, Cameron, Field etc) but the rest are hoons.
Everybody else in UK has to work like this so why not these muppets.
The average wage of those backbenchers who left Parliament in the last election is £35k (I made this up but I suspect it isn’t far out).
Labour MP’s have all been offered on expenses a 10Byte flash disk for their CV’s. Prescott can’t fill his.
Any one seen or heard of Mandy?
Or is he holed up in his £2.5 M Palace on Regents Park being cuddled by his Brazilian boy ?!
Hard to believe the degree of PURE DECADENCE of Nu Labour…
When he was MP for Harlepool, did we pay for the Brazilian he had then?
Yes…as compagnon to his Decadence Mandy..
Food, lodging, probably clothing? car etc
If the Codheads captured a Brazilain in Hartlepool they’d hand him on the beach as a Napoleonic spy.
tut tut you should know he’s in a yacht here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/15/bilderberg-charlie-skelton-dispatch1
Gordon Brown is now suspending MP’s.What really tough action has Bulingdon Dave taken-NON!
Suspended from the Parliamentary Labour Party, that’s all and temporarily at that.
If he suspended them from college green lamp-posts then he’d get my vote,non have been suspended and that all parties are as shite as each other.
Election Now.
You could say Gordon Brown has fukked the country. Any other points you’d like to make?
The political class are now turning this around to their own advantage.
Public tricked into thinking some MPs have been sacked suspended..Not one MP has become an ex MP.
Public are told, pay MPs even more money and that will make Ms more honest. Oh yeah so why don’t they try that with benefit cheats or common criminals?
We still have work to do…
But the Genie is out of the bottle
No stoppping the steam roller of Public Opinion now…
I haven’t had as much fun since Poona ’47…
This is the best pig sticking season EVER…
Give them all a Knighthood I say for helping to spend our way out of ressesion…
OK, but can we get the queen to stick the sword through them and not touch them on the shoulder please.
Excellent idea – although “give” is not appropriate surely, being beyond the spirit of this Parliament?
Better to sell them the knighthoods, maybe in some auction system with more prestigious orders going for more, and allow winning MPs to reclaim the cost on expenses.
It’s about time the Queen sorted the fuckers out. No point in having and paying for a Monarchy if it doesn’t take over when its Parliament is broken
She’s far to busy doing her expenses!
She can only work “behind the scenes” constitutionally…
So wait please..
I started a petition to ask Queenie to dissolve parliament – sign it via my blog. Who gives a shit about constitutionality.
http://www.frankfisher.org
Vote for justice and democracy.
Greens or Monster raving to win the next election.
Come on you Greens and loon’s
Sorry but the Greens just don’t do it for me. Bunch of lettuce-eating, lentil farting hippies banging on about wind power all the time. Wind power is a massive financial scam. And once again, we’re paying for people to get rich out of it.
Be a loon, vote green?
Fuck that. Compulsory yoghurt knitting classes, beard weaving videos and the total breakdown of industry is what those fuckheads stand for.
Id rather vote for Winky MacFucknuts…..oh shit ive lost it.
No radio or TV action today ?
All the pigs hiding ?:
I’m abroad…
UKIP responds to the expenses row:
Trouble is it does’nt stop at their pay, as most are incapable of doing the work so they spend millions on advisors and resurchers.
They can never ever mention “Benefit Fraud” again the greedy XXXXX, it’s bachelor Kaufman I feel sorry for living in his slum (No not Gorton, the one in London)
In Police lexacon the words for these two Labour MP’s taking cash after their mortgages were fully paid off are
“A deliberate attempt, with full and prior knowledge, to obtain a pecuniary advantage by fraud or deception”.
They are “Bang to Rights” and should be jailed for at least One Year.
You cannot conflatr guilt and sentence.
However, its also a “breach of trust” which sentencing guidelines suggest ought to lead to a custodial sentence.
Mortgages Mandleson remember must you
No criticism of the Police but keep them well out of it for all our sakes or we’ll be getting a Legal Aid bill for several billion pounds to defend these unemployable tossers and off topic but I love saying it nobody on benefits should be allowed to vote, most MPs surgeries are full of scroungers asking for “more”. When did you last speak to your elected representative?
Need to keep the police on side as their “assistance” will be required in spades to control the masses of public sector “workers” on the streets when Unite/NUT etc etc mobilise to protect their rights once the government changes.
Their rights being gilt edged pensions, short working weeks, ample sick leave and inflation beating compound % payrises, and early retirement bonuses to protect the two teir society created under the ZaNuLabour social plan.
All paid for by taxpayers who have had all these rights severely restricted or withdrawn over the past decade.
‘nobody on benefits ‘ so anyone on a state pension or getting child benefit or using the nhs or any other of the millions who use anything payed for through taxation as they are all in receipt of a state benefit as well? so only the wealthy then ? cool it’s just like the old days, great me chimney needs doing anyone got a spare urchin!.
What did the big chimney say to the small chimney ?
Austin Mitchell writes
They`d also need some kind of allowance to buy or rent accommodation in London. No use saying put us in a student hostel or a prison hulk moored off Westminster. Most MPs have wives and families and we hope to see both from time to time. We need some kind of home life.
So do sevice personnel Austin. And unlike service personnel you are only away from home 3 nights a week for just six months of the year.
It is classic how these nobs in parliament come out with arguments that you just know they would not give a flying fuck about if anyone else brought them up. It just proves that the fucking hypocrisy of them coming up with taxes that they are exempt from, is simply the fucking norm of their thinking.
It’s the Rent Boys I feel sorry for, this is going to be a real kick in the whatsits for them
I think the BBC should do a TV series about the decline and fall of the Labour party, but set in Ancient Rome. That would be fucking mint.
I want MP’s who either have had or are presently in a proper job. Most honest persons would be only to glad to hold down 2 positions The hours of Parliament could be set as before when they were organised to suit members who held down full time or part time jobs. The holidays could be shortened to allow more work to be done
What I don’t want is some snotty kid loike balls or milly who’s never done a proper job in their life telling me what to do
Ironic – only Labour could make a deluded case for an MP NOT to have a proper job !
Read Frank Field,s diary on his website – he’s complaining the average MP has little to nothing to do now .. all power has been taken from them.
If an MP wants to work as a Director or consultant in his spare time rather than attend a rally, play golf, attend NUT conference etc, then what’s the problem ?
If the same MP cannot adequately service his constituency then I’m sure the voters will let them know soon enough.
As a nation, do we really want taxpayers to continue paying for leisure time ?
Or, is it just another rock to bash high earners under the same old politics of envy strategy ?
Think of the poor MP for Aylesford and Chatham. Johnathan Shaw, his only work experience is as a fruit picker and six years as a social worker. Now 44, he will be unemployed next year, yet his has risen very high in the labour hierarchy. Ever heard the story about the Egyptian princesses who used to surround themselves with really ugly handmaiden’s so they would look better by comparison?
Can’t wait for what ineffective action is taken on Monday.
I wonder if they’ll all make the mistake of opting for an undeserved pay rise, which I believe will lead to trouble in the streets.
They can’t count, they lie and try to cover things up and then think we are going to accept another pay rise.
How many days do MPs actually work for their money?
Efficiency savings is the answer.
If they want, say, a 25% payrise then 25% of the constituencies will go.
At that time we can rearrange the boundries to more closely match the electorates voting wishes.
It works in the real world when people are taking pay CUTS or losing their jobs.
Sauce for the Goose ..
Predictably, the Met won’t be investigating/prosecuting Jackboot Smith. She’d be foolish to sigh in relief, because the TPA/Mail might do their jobs for them. Shameless b@st@rds.
Vote for how you feel here:
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/smithshame/
We’ll show these greedy troughers in June. Yeah, lets all vote UKIP, that’ll really sort out out all this corruption once and for all:
Multiple prosecutions ain’t gonna happen I’m afraid. They WILL use the Nuremburg defence namely “it’s what the Fees office told me to do” & if supported by the Fees office it WILL be accepted cos this will establish no intent to defraud – however enriching yourself against the rules is a civil matter & those payments or profit could be claimed via civil action in the courts
If they use the Nuremburg defence then we should use the Milan prosecution.
String ‘em up!
My family have decided to vote UKIP I just hope we don’t get another self serving pratt & if we do his/her life will be made intolerable
Google Tom Wise MEP and you may just change your vote.
According to wiki he is no longer UKIP but an independent. Is this true?
I am pretty sure I’m voting UKIP next month. I know little about Farage as a man, but I want to really upset the establishment. Other protest choices are Green, B NP, Libertas, assorted commies etc… well I’d rather vote UKIP than any of them. Can you imagine the rage that cyclops will throw if Labour is beaten by UKIP??
Best to vote for whoever has the best chance of beating Labour. Reduce it to a minor – and bankrupt – party!
O/T Trigger happy New Labour police strike again. Nearly one a week.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090516/tuk-man-in-hospital-after-police-shootin-dba1618.html
If they are going to shoot to kill in every incident why bother with Tazers?
Oh I see you were there were you? Well would you like to share with us what actually happened from your eye witness account since you see fit to pronounce judgement ?
Or are you just a stupid mouthy fuckwit with an agenda ?
No reply then.
Oink fucking Oink.
Not as stupid, mouthy, fuckwitted or with as big an agenda as ACPO and all the other senior New Labour Stasi.
I’m not pronouncing judgement Mr Plod, merely drawing attention to a disturbing trend where armed police appear to be shooting people in ever more remarkable situations.
The “independent” enquiry will no doubt sort out the facts and the judgement but I doubt any police officer will be charged with manslaughter or murder. That appears to be reserved only for citizens who try to defend themselves against real criminals.
Real policemen would be as appalled and concerned by this as I am.
This is what happens when thieving scum are allowed interner facilities in Jail !
Fuck off theiving scum troll
Once again I ask you were you there ? What was remarkable about these circumstances Mr Crook lover ? In fact what were the circumstances ? Do you know?
Why are you appauled, how do you know this guy wasnt armed and had attempted to robb someone at gunpoint ? You basically know fuck all and are just another barrack room lawyer and friend of criminals. Prick.
The fees office may well have been useless, servile, idiots when processing these claims but its no defence. Its akin to a man raping a woman with learning difficulties and claiming consent !
Peter & Iris Robinson:both receive MPs salaries AND salaries for sitting in Stormont! Peter Robinson employs his daughter & son. Surely this can not be allowed to continue…..
You fail to understand the complexities of NI politics.
The basic premise is that Calvinist Scots and Catholic Irish accuse each other of threatening to do to their community what they would do to the other community if the got the chance.
Then when it all gets shitty both sides agree to blame the english and send them the bill. Large Bushmills all round.
Now quit moaning and pay up.
In my day the EU funded a lot of this. I’m sure it still does.
You seem to take the rather niave approach to this very complex issue and break it down to something simple as this. What is more remarkable is that you are probably right !
Tim Devlin (MP) wants to combine constituencies in groups of three and electing the two within them which attract the most votes, so reducing the number of MPs by a third. He argues that we could then pay them more – and of course, do away with the discredited ACA scheme.
This is an idea whose time has come.
Why does everyone seem to think we need so called full time MP’s. – We don’t & never did until Blair came to power & that only chnaged so he could bring into Parliament his wet behind the ears never had a proper job mates – we need to go back to the old status quo
Most thinking people don’t. Right now, Labour MPs dominate. This issue can be tackled after the GE when the Tories have the majority. In the meantime, probably best to let the issue drop, lest Labour start to panic the voters with more of their “nasty Tories” cr@p.
If we stay in the EU then we don’t need any MPs,so lets turn the Palace of Westminster into a car park and sell off all the other buildings the this crowd hide in,come to think of it we won’t need a PM or Chancellor so lets sell off Drowning Strasse,and with the price of land in Londonistan we soon be back in profit.
Because people have no idea what an MP actually does, so believe Labours lies that it must be hard and take up rather a lot of time.
They are all a bunch of overpaid moptherfuckers
We aren’t !
The speed with which Mr Balls went to court to ensure he still had a seat at the next election suggest someone was desparate to keep hold of the monies !
Yes you are!
Just as a side issue I wonder how many national newspapers are now regretting turning their noses up at getting their hands on those CDs full of expense info?
I am especially surprised that Rupe’s lot on the Times didn’t do it.
I wonder what NuLab “favours” will be granted for this “loyalty”?
BBC more like
Nearly choked when Dimbleby contradicted Brogan on QT and asked how the DT needed courage to publish the info.
I didn’t see Dimbleby or his mates call the executive to account. Nor did I see any other journalists queueing up to blow the lid on this. It now appears they all knew something was going wrong since 1997 and getting worse.
They were all too busy playing Mandy and Alistair’s spin games to bother doing their real jobs. Who is going to call on the media to expalin their role ?
Might be amusing to have Toenails on a QT panel. Think he’d run from the opportunity faster than Alan Duncan
Guido
and the Great British public who are shocked by the fact that this sordid mass theft has been going on since 1997…
FOI for BBC pay and expenses needed.
In case you haven’t seen it, excellent piece by Brogan on Brown, his strange mentality and life in the bunker:
To those inside who have witnessed this process there is something frankly bizarre about Mr Brown’s preoccupation with his own reputation above that of his Cabinet, his party or even Parliament.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/gordon-brown/5331462/Gordon-Brown-what-are-you-waiting-for.html
That’s a great article!
“What anger he has mustered, much of it behind the scenes, has been focused on the detail of the revelations about his own arrangements, in particular those for his cleaner. Aides endured a day of Brown rage when details were first published in the Telegraph last Friday.”
McMental! McRuin! McBust! McRage!
This is the bit that gets me, I can just imagine it striking a chord with people up and down the country. He only has “Vast amounts of unspent salary” because he has been milking the taxpayer for every penny he can, the Hunt.
“Yet no one who knows Mr Brown can think him capable of financial sharp practice, if only because he wouldn’t have the first idea of how to do it. It is precisely because he is so uninterested in money that his family had to organise his affairs to prevent his flat being declared a health hazard, while it was his friends who, years ago, spotted vast amounts of unspent salary sitting in his current account and suggested he might consider buying a property.”
Clearly the right man to have in charge of the Treaury for ten years then! The media portrayed him as some kind of fiancial genius when the reality is he can’t even organise his own finances. What a bloody shambles.
HE MAY AVE A TIGHT WALLET BUT HE AINT GOT A TIGHT ARSEHOLE LADS.
Proper Review of MP’s Renumeration.
Mr Brown has a case and we need an independent review by the correct people who have an insight and have already shown their competence in identifying value for money for the UK Taxpayer.
I for one would name this review the Dan Hannan/Douglas Carswell MP Review Report
I was kind of hoping that Mr Brown would pack his case and go before he does any more damage.
Is that too much to ask?
Grandma
I know how you feel..
We have all been hoping…
But sadly the PM is a a real lunatice and he listens to no one now…
Not only the worst PM and Chancellor that Britain has ever had..
But by far the madddest…
He is creating a serious constitutional crisis by staying…
SwineGate – will need the new quango OfTrough and yet more expenses / salaries to pretend to clean it up
Trough-A-Rama
MPs should be made to accept whatever the national average salary is, this would incentivise an improvement for all. They should also be obliged to send their children to the state school in their constituency. They should only be allowed to claim the constituency as their main home and only be allowed to be selected if they have lived in that constituency for 5 years. They must use public transport wherever possible and be entitled to free second class travel whilst on parliamentary duty. They must NOT have second jobs other than voluntary ones for charities which do not interfere with their parliamentary duties. They must provide for their own pensions in the commercial market same as the rest of us. This woulod focus their minds on getting the important things right.
Oh yes it can.
Yet again Sky News says a Labour MP has been suspended.
NO he has not been fucking suspended as an MP. He been temporarily suspended from the PLP, that’s all. He has not lost a penny, he can still claim expenses, he can stll take mega long holidays on full pay and as he’s now outside the PLP he doesn’t even need to turn up to vote for the Government.
The public are being conned….YET AGAIN!!!
But if he stays suspended and the government falls, he doesn’t get to stand on their party ticket. If he is suddenly welcomed back it is a good stick to hit Liebour with in the election. Lets face it, there are safe seats occupied by all these hoons which wouldn’t change hands if Gary Glitter or Ian Brady were the prospective party candidates.
They are such shameless bastards that they won’t voluntarily resign, so we’ve got to hope their suspensions are long ones. The parties can’t hold bi elections because the seats are not in their gift. Its the elected member that has to resign the seat to force a bi election. So suspension/withdrawing the whip, is about the limit of it.
If an ordinary bloke can get an ordinary job and he and his ordinary family survive on the ordinary pay that the ordinary job provides, why does he need extraordinary wages to be an MP?
He doesnt
Going into politics was meant to be about public service. You dont see nurses, teachers and firemen complain, well not all the time anyway. And they get a pitiful pension when they retire. Why do MPs feel they are so underpaid when they are servants of the people? They are not our masters, we are theirs.
You’ve hit the nail on the head here. Presumably, if the Kelly review suggested a salary increase, that would mean their pension pot would increase too? Public sector Pensions as a whole is something that needs looking at.
I say cut the number of MPs first and foremost. Then give them a slight pay rise. Scrap all but the second home allowance and make it for those who need it. And make the system more transparent in terms of those MPs who claim the second home allowance publishing every month what they have claimed with regards to their second home.
http://www.plenty2say.com
If they are seriously considering a pay rise then they are obviously not sorry at all. Just irate at being caught.
We need to attract more high grade individuals like Sion Simon into politics, so a high wage is necessary.
Above all some intellectuals like Polly “Never Get It Wrong” Toynbee
Does anyone get the impression that the politicians still don’t understand the anger?
Correct.
As the lady on Question Time said to Beckett (who had accused people of not understanding): “YOU won’t understand until the electorate gives its verdict at the ballot box”.
That shut her up.
Perhaps there could be a referendum to remove the ‘Right Honourable’ prefix. After all, why should MPs have this title, and not nurses and teachers, say? Many MPs have acted most dishonourably. If MPs believe they really are worth a lot more than the current salary-without-benefits, then they are not minded for self-sacrificing public service.
Their prefix has been changed to ‘The Right Hoonerable’
Andrew K mentions ‘safe seats’. Right now there are no safe seats. You could put a budgie up against any of the main party candidates. ( Now there’s an idea). The fringe parties are useless– UKIP, too sleepy (You kip if you want to), Green is an unlucky colour, Libertas sounds like a red wine or an investment fund. I’ve half a mind to join the BNP–because that’s all you need.
NO we need a new force. I am thinking of a revitalised, middle of the road, Raving Monster Loony Party. A sort of ‘Not terrible silly party’ or perhaps ‘The cocktail party’. I need help in drawing up an ideal list of candidates for the leadership and would appreciate recommendations for people who could be approached to be co-opted. Jeremy Clarkson is the obvious choice as Transport Spokesman, Ian Hislop as party leader, Russel Brand–culture, Richard Branson- Business, Col. Tim Collins-defence, Bernie Ecclestone–Treasury—————any ideas?
Dear Jeremy,
I am 15 years old and have discovered that I am pregnant; I have n’t told my parents. They have n’t met my boyfriend, he is bisexual, is HIV positive and suffers from Tourettes. He is married and is 25 years older than me. He used to be a drug dealer and still knows some very unsavoury characters. He’s now into fraud on a large scale and I have recently discovered that he’s into porn.
My problem is this – how do I tell my parents he’s a Labour MP ??
Is he an MP by any chance ?
best not to really.
Is there any chance he lied about his age?
Is he claiming “benefits”?
Is it not time to also consider the prosecution of Caroline Spelman concerning nanny gate
What a gutless bunch of thieving wankers the Tories really are!
Not fit to govern a whelk stall.
Jeremy Hunt on Radio4 Any Questions says the saintly Speaker Martin should not be scapegoated. This is a man who is in the Shadow Cabinet – defending the man who has done everything he could to keep the corruption going. Utterly depressing . You have genuine good blokes like Douglas Carswell trying to nail Trougher Martin whilst an idiot like Hunt undermines him.Cameron needs to get rid of the pathetic little wet subversive.
Have we seen Jeremy Hunt’s expenses yet ?
BTW
Never heard of the Prole…
How different would it have been if John Smith had not tragically died in 1994?
No Bliar and no Gordon the Moron.
In 1997, we could have had a Smith, Benn, Skinner top team.
OMG Look Skinner works hard (I think he lives in a broom cupboard in houses of P)and incidentally has one of lowest expenses claims but please don’t wish the Beast of Bolsover on us.
Beast or Brown? Frying-pan or fire?
And they would have lost the 97 Election of course…
and where has 12 years of Nulabour misrule ( government that is inefficient or dishonest) got us, no further than two terms of Major’s Tory fudge.
In recent history the only politico that has impressed me was the redoubtable Gwyneth Dunwoody.
Ah Dunwoody the one that had trouble with her expenses.
I always thought SMITH was “terminated” ?
As Manuel might have said: Que?
Another load of Balls:
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/EXPENSES-ROW-39Flipping39-decision-cost.5273302.jp
Fat greasy whining wingeing offal.
Linky no worky!
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Why not have a Parliament of Pensioners who have worked all their lives, are in receipt of a Pension, have savings, and have succoured a family. Ex-convicts are excluded as are ‘ entertainers’ of all disciplines, lawyers, people holding two or more Passports, and women of child-bearing age. Lets have MP’s who can read, write, do elementary arithmetic, and are used to accepting responsibility. KSS = Keep it Simple Stupid!
This is a bit from the DT.
A lesson in realism came from John Oakley, who works with the charity Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Families Association. His letter brought offers of help from dozens of readers, because he told the story of a very old man, once a prisoner of the Japanese, who needed £500 to double-glaze his bathroom, so that he could take a bath in warmth. The money was not there to give him.
“Telling him was very hard,” Mr Oakley wrote, “but his reaction – that life was tougher on the railway and that I was not to worry – left me weeping. Now I read of the chocolate bars, bath plugs and horse manure claimed in expenses by our MPs, and I weep again.”
Fucking hang the lot of the thieving bastards, and then fucking hang them again.
Skin ‘em and burn ‘em!
OMG
Just looked into my Waiting Room..
I think the whole Labour Party is there…MPs, Peers, Treasurers, union officials, smearers, bad carriers…….the whole lot…
Any Legal Beagle want to help me out please ?
As for parachuting talentless graspers into seats don’t forget Balls and Cooper. She was a ‘late selection’ for a safe Labour seat in April 1997. By coincidence she worked for the dreaded Harperson and the sitting MP managed to come up with a seat in the Lord.
He was selected to the only seat that has returned 25000+ Labour majorities in its existence. It now has had the boundaries redrawn and the sitting MP in the new constituency has agreed to set aside for Mr Spheroid. Exactly the same has happened for McDoom. So, a safe seat means that the next incumbent is ‘groomed’ by the party and the electorate have fuck all say in reality.
As we say in France ‘Putain’
Garce, more like.
The electorate, do indeed, have a say.
But if that electorate is semiliterate and entirely gullible (my guess is that their average education levels are in lower quartile) then that’s the cost we pay for democracy.
It’s all about education – keep them stupid and under control.
You can fool some of the people all of the time – and some people deserve to be poor.
Dear All,
I am emailing directly because I wanted you to know before anyone else does about developments at LabourList.
Two weeks ago I posted on the site saying I was sorry for my role in the Damian McBride affair. Of course I regret ever receiving the infamous email and I regret my stupid hasty reply. Instead I should have said straight away that the idea was wrong.
I do ask people to remember, though, that in the end its contents were never published by me or anyone else involved in the Labour Parteh and they would never have seen the light of day were it not for someone hacking into my emails and placing them into the public domain. Because of that, what was a silly idea ultimately destined for the trash can became a national scandal. Nonetheless, I should have made clear they were unacceptable from the very beginning.
On a much smaller note I also think I got the tone of LabourList wrong sometimes, being too strident, aggressive and obsessed with the “blogosphere”. Having said that I am proud that I was the founder of LabourList. It really was a Labour of love. In just over 100 days there have been nearly 250 contributors, over 500 posts and 18,000 comments. I’d like to think one day I’ll be judged on all of that rather than just one, admittedly awful, email.
What has become clear, though, is that my continued editorship can only detract from what LabourList needs to do now. That is why, after a couple of weeks of reflection, I am passing on the editorship to Alex Smith, who has been a very able Deputy to me from the beginning. I have no doubt that Alex will steer the site to bigger and better things and I urge everyone who wants Labour to have a vibrant, active space on the internet to give him your backing and get involved in whatever comes next.
Derek Draper
Wrong – they did come out in Toilet’s Maguire’s column, in the Mirror April 12/3.
One way or another – these remarks would’ve seen the light of day. Trying to argue not is just another deception, and based on us having a short-term memory!!
Maguire actually had the temerity to consider that the smears were facts!
‘Just what is the truth of Cameron’s alleged embarrassing complaint of a highly personal nature? I, like the drinkers in the Steamboat, Alum and Riverside, would like to know’.
So – no, the smears weren’t just contents of an email – they were part of an organised smear campaign which was deliberately intended to get an airing in the main stream media – starting with Maguire.
The problem you had/have isn’t that it was a silly email, or that you should’ve distance yourself from the start – but that this was a deliberate act of political misdemeanour – and you got caught, and can’t spin your way out – exactly the same problem as the MP’s have with the current self-allocated allowances issue.
I think I’ve solved the problem of sleaze, folks! The key idea is to allow a by-election to be called by the electorate of a constituency. Very simple. You’d have to make it fairly difficult, else there would be a by-election every 5 minutes, but it would certainly keep the buggers on their toes. It would satisfy the current justified blood-lust of the electorate, and keep the MPs honest the rest of the time.
(takes a bow)
When has an MP ever been honest? Idiot.
It’s a well-known phrase in the English language. Not meant to be taken literally. Wanker.
The big brother state moves ever closer, HMRC to have access to id database, this was buried in order papers laid before parliment earlier this week. A good day to bury bad news as the papers concentrated on the HofC debicle……..Source mailonline, sorry cant poste link.
This article?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1182926/Taxman-use-database-ID-cards-track-spending-habits-bank-accounts.html
There may be plenty of other devious under the radar tactics to come. We all need to keep watch.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1182603/Jack-Straw-embarrassing-U-turn-axes-plan-inquests-secret.html
THe Grauniad has a bit more info on the Inquiries Act
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/may/15/secret-inquests
Of course, they’re worried about fair trials for terrorists, but as we all get Section 44 these days it amounts to still having the provision for secrecy in the event of murder by the State.
Since Autumn 2006 I have been hearing from WW2 veterans and now a book is available (www.theunknownwarriors.co.uk) There is over 140 contributors including ex Far East POW’s, Desert Rats, D-Day veterans etc in the book. I wanted to find out what they thought of the UK today and they make it quite clear what they think of UK politicians that’s for sure! This was before the latest revelations of claiming for wisteria removal, posh rugs, home cinemas, moats and swimming pools etc. The current pension for a WW2 pensioner individual is £90 to cover bills, heating, food etc but the same politicians who set this rate over the last 30 years award themselves expenses of £100 per week for food on top of their good salaries! I talked with an old sailor yesterday, who was at the sinking of the Scharnhorst, at the Sicily and D-Day Landings and thinks the whole lot of them are a disgrace to all those that have gave their lives for this country.
My dad’s an FEPOW aged 90. He’s endured unimaginable barbarity, starvation and slave labour. Came home to be bossed around by those who thought university (Wilson) or the civil service (Foot) was a better career move during the war.
So there he is, at the end of his life living in a morally and financially bankrupt country ruined by fools and these traitors called a government. What was it all for?
Too true Nick. My old man fought in N Africa. If he was alive today, I’m sure he would get his .303 out of the attic & do something about it. Which is more than us keyboard warriors are capable of. BTW I have a strong feeling that many of the old timers are now regretting winning the war.
As far as I know the book I have compiled is the FIRST EVER to actually include what WW2 veterans actually think of the country now. There are a lot of books covering the war, but they never ask the veterans what they think of what has happened to the country since. Well, I’ve done it and it makes or some VERY interesting reading!!
If a few more people had listened to what they wanted years ago perhaps we wouldn’t be in the state we are in now with a parliament full of chancers.
Well, i’m ‘under orders’ by the veterans to let the whole country now what they think.
So if you want to read the views of some of our countries finest men and women…….
http://www.theunknownwarriors.co.uk
Ok its time for the Queen to step in and disolve paliment to protect it and its reputation.
What reputation.
It’s never had one!
The queen is a waste of space anyway.
How come she has said nothing about this daylight robbery
She’s the biggest trougher of them all
Suggest you read history a little you moronic imbecile. The queen is a figurehead and has no real position of authority. Start with Oliver Crpmwell and read forward.
In the event of the masses marching on Sleazeament then I have no doubt the HM Forces will side with the Sovereign rather than this shower of shit.
@ Animal Farm
For Queen and Country mate, not defending the state for greedy troughing whores. Your correct, the Army would never march against the Queen or against the majority of her citizens.
HM is the ultimate guarantee. She will not step in lightly but she is the reason that there will never be a coup in this country.
Broon is rapidly running out of ideas but he would never be able to declare a “state of emergeny” or “martial law” because HM would not allow it and the Forces would back her up.
We are selling an extra 646 copies a day!
Didnt know you were selling that many
It should be Sir Editor Daily Telegraph if your not one already? For services against corruption.
Here’s an interesting poll on the London Daily News website: http://tinyurl.com/qzdt2g
On 4 June you will be able to vote in the European Parliamentary elections what party will you vote for?
Poll Results:
Labour : 13.19% (330)
Conservative : 31.39% (784)
Liberal Democrat : 17.09% (427)
Green : 2.68% (67)
B N P : 28.78% (719)
UKIP : 3.44% (86)
Other : 3.40% (85)
How old is this bloody poll? Reds, Blues and oranges have no change after their stealing from the public. I don’t believe the main parties will have any EMPs after whats been going on and especially when everone finds out what they have been claiming expenses for.
An online poll at a low traffic website gets swamped easily if it comes to the attention of those of a particular persuasion. The accompanying article suggests that this poll has been highly self-selecting, since its author has ill disguised sympathies.
You want me to watch raw meat 3 on an ordinary television?
My mother would be spinning in her grave.
I may like rough trade, but live in a slum without a 40 incher ?
With a fifth of the population of the US and with 75% of our laws created in Brussels we have more “lawmakers” than the US has in the Senate and the House of Representatives combined.
Does anyone know why?
The Mob are more organized and don’t need so many people to make up there laws.
They also have a strict policy if anyone breaks their code of conduct.
They usually get sent to work in the construction industry as a punishment.
Usually inside a pillar.
Ha,ha, best way.
Indian Election results are now in.
A total of 543 seats for a population of around a 1.2 billion!
So we need how many?
If your going out in London and need a taxi home tonight why not stick it on the speakers tab.
It won’t be theft just a “mistake” and you and everyone else are paying for it anyway!
It’s within the rules!
Do not vote for the lib/lab/con trick. Vote B’n'P. It seems to scare them shitless.
It sure does, beckett was pooping her panties on qt at the mention of them.
The three old sleaze parties and their stooges in the media are starting a dirty tricks campaign against the B NP right now so they must be running scared of them.
It was very funny.
May be her constituents might stone her when she gets back there!
Dermot Murkaghan on Sky ripped Old Ma Beckett a new arsehole when she demanded to know his wages.
She is the only person I know with a smiling arshole or was thet her mouth, job to tell with her.
she looks like fooking ET or something or a body snatcher or something
There is absolutely no point in the PM apologizing for all MPs of all party’s stealing from the public.
Fire them all now you useless twit!
Brown is one of the thieves. He has claimed thousands of pounds for his London flat which is neither his main home nor his second home.
How the hell has he got away with that?
He won’t but one step at a time. Remember what the nazi’s did. Use people against themselves and when they have shit of everyone else to keep there job, get rid of them as well!
Do MPs deserve a massive payrise?
Let’s see.
Since 1997 the average UK salary is reported to have risen by 26%
In 1997 an MP’s salary was £43860. Today it’s £64766. An increase of 68%
Add to this there is the increase in the Additional Costs Allowance.
In 1997 the ACA was “just” £12287. Today it’s £23083 (for the year 2007/08). An increase of 88%
If MPs salaries and allowances had increased in line with the rest of the country then they would currently be earning £55264 and have an allowance of £15482
With that in mind MPs should shut the fuck up and take a paycut now as they’ve all done nothing else except get rich under Labour. When Labour talk about “wealth distribution” what they really mean is distributing it from us to them!
Totally agree.
Sack the B’stards now.
Pay them double the state pension, then they enjoy double the quality of life they expect pensioners to.
and a free bus pass
I notice there are very few if any comments about Mr Blair, wasnt he still around 4 years ago ???
Did he not claim any expenses ????
Good point.
Didn’t he start that illegal war?
What did his cronies make from consulting payments from arms manufacturers?
It seems his were accidentally shredded last year. So we’ll never know.
Good point but hard copies are always backed up with electronic records plus a payments trail – transfers of money from one account to another.It would be interesting to know just how much passed from HMG to Anthony Lynton for services rendered – mind you it would need someone of a journalistic bent and some guts to do the spadework and there appears to be a paucity of that sort of talent at the moment.
I would like to know how he got to be a multi-millionaire even before leaving office.
Major was elevated into a directorship at Carlyle Group (Bush family frim) and was rapidly a multi-millionaire as a result. Major PM-ed through Iraq 1.
Blair PM-ed through Iraq 2.
Money for armoured divisions?
Blair is the conman who remortgaged his house in order to raise the capital needed to buy another house, and then using his ACA to pay the mortgage bills on the remortgaged property.
What he did was totally and utterly against the rules which only allowed you to remortgage the property in order to finance home improvements on the same property.
Too many MPs have used the remortgaging loophole as a method of making real immediate financial benefit. The trick being to remortgage and use the whole sum to either buy further properties or to invest the money in endowments while then claiming the maximum they can on the mortgage interest payments.
Here’s another scumbag MP just exposed by the Telegraph. This time it’s Geoffrey Clifton-Brown Tory MP for the Cotswolds and a Shadow Minister:
“Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the Shadow Minister for International Development, ‘flipped’ his second home designation from London to his new Gloucestershire home and claimed £66,800 over three years from 2005 to 2008 – the maximum amount allowed for a second home.
Two years after buying the Gloucestershire house, Mr Clifton-Brown sold it and raked in a profit of £208,000, the Telegraph reported. He then upgraded to a new house – a former rectory worth £2.7million.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1183128/MPs-expenses-Its-rabbit-season-taxpayer-caught-headlights.html
Who does Clifton-Brown think he is, Kirsty bloody Allsop, Sarah feckin Beany?
What do his constituents in the Cotswolds think about him enriching himself at their, and our, expense?
Lib Dems take Cotswolds.
Geoff Clifton Brown spends most of his time on first-class, all-expenses paid “fact-finding” trips abroad.
When he’s not grabbing taxpayers money to add to his property millions in the Cotswolds, that is.
CGT paid I presume.
No. He didn’t pay CGT because, while Clifton-Brown told the Commons fees office that it was his second home, he told the Revenue and Customs that it was his main home.
Therefore: claim loads of expenses on the house, but, pay no CGT on the sale of the house.
Only try this if you’re an MP.
So, same as Blears.
Watch all the Trotskies start having a go at him for it while maintaining Blears’ innocence.
Thanks anonymous, it was the old nutkin switceroo then, makes one wonder whot they chat about in their taxpayer subsidised bar eh.
Geoff Hoon and Alistair Darling (amongst others) have also played that old trick of telling the commons fees office that it is their second home, to claim expenses, while telling the Revenue that it is their main home, to avoid capital gains tax.
Hoon and Darling have made hundreds of thousands of pounds from property speculation and tax avoidance this way.
If Cameron does not start withdrawing the Whip from these Conservative crooks he will lose any creditibility he and the Tories have…
The least Cameron should do right now is order that all Tory MPs must face a reselection procedure before the next general election.
The constituency parties should then deselect all the spivs or face voter’s anger at the ballot box.
MPs= MAGGOTS
You are awful. But I like you.
Daaaad! I fink i got it wrong again…..
It is possible to catch fish by the deployment of a juicy captive maggot. The submersion of a rotten MP would likely render the aquifers for miles around poisonous to human life.
The following link fingers James Purnell:
http://tamesidemafia.blogspot.com/2009/04/purnells-pigsty.html
It seems some web sleuths have already done what I have suggested to the DT – gone and knocked on a few doors! And the answer – Purnell never stops at his constituency house (no surprise; it’s a bit ordinary for our James) and instead holes up at the Radisson in Manchester!
So in summary – he doesn’t stop at what he claims is his main home -which isn’t really his main home – and it’s not really his second home as he won’t stop there – it’s just a front to enable him to claim the ACA!
I’ve e-mailed the DT again to get them to do some investigative journalism – if they knock on doors the same way as they did with Jacqui Smith’s sister’s house the neighbours will tell them he’s never there – this guy can be exposed; and if it comes to it could be a really high-profile ‘capture’.
Sorry to repeat this but I posted it late yesterday on another thread: basically misrepresenting your true address in order to “gain advantage” is apparently a criminal offence under Section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006.
Coincidentally Harrow Council (HT Rodney Hobson, http://www.hemscott.co.uk) are using this law against a member of the public right now as per this BBC news story Here.
If a council can use this law in order to punish ordinary people then why does it take weeks of deliberating, further faux concern from McBroon and a committee of police and lawyers to work out that MP’s are caught by precisely the same law.
The punishment can be anything from a fine of £5000 or a year in jail which could mean lots of bye-elections; we cannot have a situation where existing legislation (overlooked or forgotten amongst ZaNuLab’s 12 year orgy of self indulent new legislation) is not used because these are MP’s.
One rule for us and one rule for them? Surely they daren’t now.
This needs to impact on this scandal and to get the closure that the country requires means every MP should be delivered back to their constituency upon the understanding that some will be prosecuted.
A General Election should be announced and the parties allowed the summer to regroup and re-nominate their candidates in order to fight it.
I dislike Purnell intensely. He fails spectacularly to empathise with those unfortunate enough to have cause to have contact with his palpably demoralised and chaotic department.
I wish you luck in your endeavour.
Wheres my friend Mandy?
(Seems like a nice boy…)
In Greece (or is that grease?)
Standing for election as an MP is like applying for a job, if you don’t like the salary then don’t apply for the job. A general election is requires so that we can get rid of these leeches and vote in some people who want the whole job hours, salary, travel and a new transparent expenses policy.
Play them off, keyboard cat.
Hey..
Gordon is not answering…
Mandy’s hiding…
The Chief Whip is in Ireland…trying to stop MacBride from publishing the horror story
Speaker Gorbals is drunk and ranting in the Speaker’s House
The world has gone mad…
Where can I turn for help ??
Any news on the “grenade clause” being used to block Heather’s FOI requests ?
And can anyone tell me if the Balls or others actually had an injuction out last week (which was lifted) ?
Legally this must all be getting very rough for the labour Cover Up team…
They did have an injunction and it was eventually quashed in court.
Thanks…
Is that not an outrage in itself ?
Witholding information about the misuse of OUR money ?
And is Gorbals still using the grenade clause to stop other FOI requests from Heather ?
She mentioned something last week…
The Labour Party really does have the mentality of GANGSTERS…even NOW !!
There used to be a principle in English law
“Justice needs to be done and to be seen to be done”…
These in junctions and apparently imposed and quashed “in camera”
Very close to a Police State, it seems to me…
And where is Gorbals please ?
Lost him and need him…
You’ll find him in his usual seat at Glasgow Celtic Park next week @ 1300 hours.
He is a left footer? FFS! Did Dan Brown script this?
Is it just me or is Elliot Morley one of the ugliest human beings to have existed over the past century?
He never fails to look as though he has just been having a wank in a steam room.
How I love the phrase, ‘the late Tony Banks’.
What an odious little shit he was.
As for Beckett the Bike ….
Do’nt hold back old chap tell us more.
I do wish theyd stop wheeling that old scabber out without a fucing 30 second warning or something.
Besides its not October 31st already is it?
I do wish theyd stop wheeling that old scabber out without a fucking 30 second warning or something.
Besides its not October 31st already is it?
Brown writes for NotW:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8053833.stm
Just a load of hot air as usual.
NotW don’t seem to have published it on their site yet. I wonder if the editor spiked it? Of course, no reject slip at the BBC.
On June 4th I’m voting B NP as a protest against the three spiv-ridden main parties, though I might be tempted to vote Tory if Cameron takes firm action against the crooks in the meantime.
Has Steen been de-selected yet?
Has Gerald Kaufman had his £8,865 plasma screen TV delivered yet? Is it HD?
Will Shahid Malik be watching Eurovision tonight in his £6,500 taxpayer-funded private cinema room?
Mandy is away on a samba weekend.
Please see here:
http://www.order-order.com/2009/05/payrise-mps-are-already-overpaid/#comment-95377
Ouzo perhaps?
Not only do we need a new -gate word coined to cover this we also need a new term to describe how I feel now.
Having gone through the phases of disbelief, shock and then anger, I am now beyond angry about this hooning lot of thieving scum.
‘Revenge’ and ‘vengeance’ don’t even come close.
Posted earlier on Nadine Dorries’ blog but didn’t get through moderation despite doing nothing more than politely disagreeing with her – sorry long but necessarily long.
——————–
Ms Dorries,
As a constituent and supporter of yours, I feel compelled to comment that:
Firstly, your rather shrill protests say rather more about your capability and professionalism than they do about your expenses. If you were a little more measured and concise in your rebuttal, you would give the impression of being more in control of events. I hope is is reflective of the nature of events and not your ability to cope with your workload as an MP. We are paying you to efficiently represent us and, to coin a phrase, get on with job. Between lunches with Iain Dale, blog posts, summers abroad and commuting to the Cotswolds, I wonder how you are finding the time to represent my interests.
Secondly, despite the obvious support you have from some commenters here, there remains a central question around your arrangements that I’m afraid leaves you in the same boat at the other self deluded MP’s who all seem to have similar excuses. Yours is a little more involved and emotionally delivered than most but the fact remains you have mislead the Fees Office (and therefore the taxpayer) as to your main residence. Furthermore, as others have pointed out, you expected the tax payer to pay for your children to be insulated from the effects of your marriage break up and your decision to stand as a member for a constituency some distance from your ‘home’ base. Do you think it is reasonable for you to be treated differently to the rest of us because you are a busy MP?
Finally, you have not explained the nature of the arrangements regarding the Carlton Club and the attempt to claim for overnight stays by a person other than you. Whether or not this was a mistake, oversight or something more is key. Whether the claim was for a hotel, television, rug or porn video, the fact remains the claim was made and the claim was improper. Without the actions of the Telegraph, your constituents would never know this.
Whether you like it or not, your attitude is not so far removed from that of other MPs who have been caught out. Until you accept this and show a little more contrition, I am afraid you risk losing the high moral ground you seem convinced that you hold.
Best wishes.
Forget the blog, email it directly to her and stick a letter in the post to the Times, Telegraph and the Guardian.
Apart from the claims in respect of non-existent mortgages, Dorries seems the most self-evidently fraudulent of the lot of them. And not a shred of remorse. I can’t understand why more isn’t being made of this.
Dave like Blair is a good actor.So far we have had much verbal flatulence but no REAL ACTION.
It’s time for action. Head must roll or UKIP and the B NP will have a field day.
Somebody I know has met both Cameron and Putin; when I say met I mean sat and spoken with these individuals for an hour.
He prefers Putin. But my friend isn’t big on democracy. He has been in hysterics since this lot took off. I do point out that NuLabour aren’t big on democracy either.
My understanding is that a sitting MP receives £4,000 per week pension contribution.
What about the resettlement allowances given to defeated MPs, though dismissed by their electorate they are still rewarded.
Just a thought, who is paying attention to the scandals of two weeks ago? The current revelations were long over due, however the manner of their exposure is indeed curious. It is common knowledge that the Telegraph has City, and other, links. Who stands to gain most from the neutering of the government?
Is there no honest man (or woman) in this Land?
Some excitment over at PB.
Latest Poll, Con 42,
Labour 20
Limp Dem 15.
Will Marr have the guts to remind the Glorious Leader about his peoples’ undying hatred for him?
Hope The ST is going to dish more dirt to spoil Brown’s weekend.
Others on 23%. That’s huge. Big surge for UKIP, B NP, Greens?
Brown is going to be kicked out by Labour after the June elctions and bloody good riddance to bad rubbish.
Johnson and Cruddas: the dream ticket
Hoon and Blears: the nightmare ticket
Labour Branch Chair
It is totally unacceptable that the Labour Party remain in government one day longer…
The Labour Party is a criminal conspiracy to defraud the Great British People…
A second unelected PM is grotesque in the current state of affairs…
An immediate election is the only answer
Im praying they have a real humdinger in the D.T. in the morning.
They polling worse than maggie back in the 80′s all we need is a few riots in the streets and labour will be finished forever as a political force
Limp Dem,
Which election did Mrs Thatcher (PBUH) lose?
I so want to see the Labour Parteh poll below 20%. Anything in the teens will look seriousleh weak.
what election are labour about to lose citizen1………….
Revenge is best taken cold. Voters will have their say on 4th June.
And the taxpayer pays the legal costs for COVERING UP these offending Ministers/MPs ?
and all this originally done under a “gag order”…..sound like the USSR under Breznev to me…
and the costs of the Daily Telegraph paid by the taxpayer when they win the appeal ?
And this information is KEPT SECRET as well even though we are paying ?
This is heaping outrage on outrage…
This is not a Banana Republic
it is fast descending into a Banana Dictatorship with a GOVERNMENT AND PARLIAMENT AND SPEAKER ACTING ILLEGALLY..
AT OUR EXPENSE
Un f’ing believable..
AND IT IS STILL GOING ON…
On that, my favourite subject, Mr John Lyon CB, very camera shy, supposed to be the upholder of Parliamentary Standards, paid by us the taxpayer ( £108,000 ) four day week,no commuting, not very difficult hours, but gues who interviews and appoints him to the job, you’ve guessed it, the very MP’s who he is supposed to oversee!
You will note that he is already a CB an will definately be of the character who see this as quite important, so will therefore have his eye on the next chance of a leg up the dishonours system! so he is certainly not going to blot his copy book by anything approaching justice for these people. Proof of course if needed, is his handling of the fragrant Jacqui and her dodgy deals.
We need genuine people in these positions not puppets!
Agreed…
But the ROT is so f’ing DEEP…
And all these people are in total DENIAL even as the flames close in on them…
can we accept that nothing is going to be done with the Battersea power station, its been slowly rotting for over 22 years. Can we lift its grade II listed status, knock it down and build accommodation, offices and meeting rooms for MPs. They can then travel to the commons by river bus.
The need for the vast majority of their expenses is wiped out at a stroke, must be cheaper for the tax payer in the end.
Surely something more ‘sustainable’ and ‘carbon neutral’ could be achieved than use of a river bus? After all they should be setting an example to us after all the faux-science hectoring they hose us down with daily.
How about they stay in their homes (first or second I no longer even care) and commute by web cam?
Electronic tagging would be more appropriate.
“Left hand down a bit No.1!”
Nice Brazilian, Jacqui! Can we see it from behind? We are paying, after all!
Good idea. Let’s get them all in the same building at night.
they’ve all been in the same old palace building all day
or a bloody rowing boat with one oar to go round and round and round…..
Something of a nuclear bomb rumoured in tomorrows Telegraph, or so people have been saying on a few places.
Anyone know?
Should everyone take their iodine tablets then – or just known troughers?
We are now in the realm of constitutional madness…
Parliament totally discredited and paralysed…
Government totally discredited and paralysed………
It a plane without a pilot heading for financial and economic disaster at the same time…
Never seen in Britain since the Civil War…
Tumble Down Brown (as opposed to Dick, Cromwell’s son) has a certain inevitability to it.
It was General Monke who was dispatched to summon Charles II back, any chance of General Dannat doing the honours this time?
And all these Labour montherfooks can do is HIDE?
No REPLY from any of the GUILTY PARTIES at all today…
SURREAL…
What do you expect they have all bogged off to their 1st,2nd,3rd,4th,5th homes besides they only work a 3 day week,once they have been seen on PMQs their time is their own.
I am abroad…
Any news from Blair, Brown, Mandelson or the Speaker today ?
Not a word, they have been stuck on the bog all day.
Ah, but McBroon has been writing a piece for – wait for it – The News of the World! The whole shithouse is disintegrating and our unelected and miserably unpopular PM writes for the worst “newspaper” on the planet. Unfuckingbelievable.
Only paper that would accept used Brown lavatory paper…
In the News of the Screws…!!!!!!!!!!!
Carirrrrrrst…
You could not invent the stupidity of this Brown..I think he is sub-human…
OK… boycott the News of the Screws tomorrow chaps.
I was always told if you are in a hole stop digging, going nuclear on F.O.I. is sheer stupidity we were promised open government, they are just makeing matters worse for themselves.
The Lancashire Evening Post has emailed a list of ten questions related to expenses to my local MP, David Borrow (max Additional Costs Allowance & 19 grand Communications Allowance), who’s the Labour member for South Ribble.
He has replied, “I’ve discussed it with a number of colleagues and we were all inclined to do the same thing. Of other people aren’t doing it, I’m reluctant to do it”.
“I’m reluctant to do it”!!??!! Wonder why that might be.
It might be noted that in the Register of Members’ Interests, Borrow declares a London flat from which he receives rental income. I wonder which home this might be. But, anyway, nice to see a northern lad doing well for himself.
oh err, those pesky local newspapers….
A relative in Canada has asked me how the English voters feel about being governed by a Scots Government with (laughably) a man who wants the UK to be Muslim within 30 years as a JUSTICE MINISTER! and how on earth we came to be in such a mess.
I explained our voting system to her asked her to imagine this… you are lost in the frozen wastes of the Yukon, cold and starving. You find a free ticket for a family meal at Dominos. Its a life saver! something to be pleased about, something of benefit, it promises something you need.
Then the truth hits you…….ALL YOU’VE GOT IS A WORTHLESS PIZZA CHIT
Now say that a bit faster and you will realise how we have got to this state.
She laughed…I DID NOT
Like it.
Not half as bad as we Scots feel about being governed by poxy morris dancing saddos for 300 years!
However-soon to be “Goodbyeee to all that nonsense!”
You haggis munchers are hated the most by the noble muslims with all the whiskey distilleries and booze you scum make.
Emperor Hadrian had the right idea.
the scots – frenchmen in skirts
soon to be: The Democratic Republic of Scotch Socialists (DROSS)
You will expect us to foot the bill for your independence, won’t you?
Do you think an English government would survive in power giving you lot more money?
Don’t mention North Sea Oil because anybody who has ever looked at the issue knows that doesn’t even cover half of the money that has gone north over the last 300 odd years.
Now go and cover yourself in wode and deep fry yourself a Mars bar.
The scots went bankrupt last time they had independence.
Now the scots have bankrupted the whole UK. Maybe they think we’re stupid enough to sell ourselves to the EU?
Morris dancing beats the “gay Gordons” any day!
Are the Scots Muslims then?
How soon? What’s stopping you?Certainly not the English because independence has been on a plate for years.
It’s like some teenager promising to leave home but putting it off because they’d miss the free feeding & washing.
The English are getting pretty fed up with the empty threats and wish you’d make yor minds up.
Getifer, is my opinion.
governed by a Scots Government
oh deary deary me such a low level of intelligence, a scots government, most are descendents of irish immigrants with a chip on their shoulder as big as their expense claims, herr bruin and dahling with their stupid pretendy english accents, public schoolboy trash, scots !!!! they would rather drink liquid shit through a sweaty sock than be thought of as scots, they utterly hate the jocks and anything to do with jockland your relative obviously needs to read more
Brown’s latest effort, it is a bit late & inadiquate
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/310141/I-am-appalled-and-angered-by-this-weekrsquos-revelations.html
He is a bit like one of them talking toys programmed with a few sentences, no moral compass though, that must be well and truely fkud.
So where’s Jackie Smith then Gordon.
Oh, she’s still in your cabinet.
Too late Gordo, you lying git.
You know? I’m not even going to waste my synapses or computer’s bytes by clicking on that link.
Just go AWAY!!!!
Don’t you all see? He’s picked the NOTW because of the name: New Soft He World… he’s come out at last.
I wish he’d go back in again.
Liam Byrne is due his turn in the spotlight – bet he is sweating, the odious creep.
I heared a rumour it’s Brown Windsor at weekends – bicycle clips are available at a small deposit from the fees office.
I do hope so, insufferable smug trough-a-hoon.
I appologise for writing such a monotonous song.
I have hust read the the blog of John Brestcott, the fat lumpen bovine tub of larden shit ripple and for one who would usually spout a firemans hose of bile against any tory wrong, he is a quiet as a silence about the expenses scandal that is dry roasting the labour party
come on prescott, you hard working cabin boy, use your silver service training to serve us up some new labour wisdom that will make all normal voters see the errors of their ways and question their own judgement on this issue
prescott, you are a disgrace
NO HE IS NOT!
HE IS A TREACHEROUS CHAMPAGNE SOCIALIST DISGRACE!
He is caressing his mock tudor beams
ans gleeing over his Parliamentary pension to come
not to speak of his property empire and his son “well set up”
he’s probably off shagging some northern floosy this afternoon as well
though I don’t think he has much lead left in his pencil !
its not a pencil…its a chipolata, according to the typeing pool at his (late)commons office
I’m rather enjoying the peace and quiet actually instead of the sanctimonious lecturing we normally get from the Nu-Stazi brigade during Al-Jabeeba airtime. It’s great to know they can they occasionally shut the fuck up even if it is for entirely the wrong reasons. Even more fun to know that if/when they dare stick their heads above the bunker those awkward questions are still there waiting for them.
They are going to receive machine gun fire and piano wire when they stick their heads “above the bunker”…
I rad somewhere recently that he did not actually get as far up the ladder as cabin boy.
What the hell do MPs do? Foreign policy is dictated by the USA. All the utility companies have been sold off to international profiteers. A nest of Quangos decided most policies for the police and the NHS (to benefit corporations).
All MPs seem to do is come up with loony ideas about education. For example, spending £billions on pointless exams for unborn babies.
MPs are such evil vile trash – they are a cancer on the British people.
They say cancer is to be eradicated. It didn’t say anything about the Socialist Cancer but if we keep the ball rolling…..
The role of an MP is to pass onto us the cost of the latest EU Directive.
80% of the law that affects you comes from Brussels.
Remember most MP holiday in France and Italy. When I say holiday they sod off for the whole of the summer. The poor deluded hoons think everybody else does the same. They live in the nice parts of town when in their constituency and nobody troubles them because everyone knows they ain’t listening. The only time they walk anywhere is when they are in Londonistan. Because they say all those foreign faces and hear foreign languages there they think it is like that all over Britian. And with all the foreign faces on Al Beebzera only reinforce they perceptions.
{No disrespect to any belonging to an ethnic minority reading this. The NHS would collapse without foreign staff. You are useful and wanted members of our society. Unlike our MPs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!}
Oh man – I think I burst me spleen laughing.
MPs’ aggregate pay is trivial compared with the cosmological amounts of our money they piss away on incompetently-run and/or pointless grand projects, non-jobs for non-workers in central admin, deadweight regulation and simple stupidity (e.g. selling gold at the bottom of the market). So I would give MPs a modest basic salary and then an annual bonus based on unemployment numbers, GDP growth, crime levels and spending efficiency.
http://www.thepublic.com/
Your comment about good priests is well taken.
However, the CofE always supports the Governing Class, corrupt or not — the government selects the Bishops; the Bishops select the priests.
Our vicar showed us a mirror and said that we must look at ourselves, we must not get angry: we must seek out the greed in ourselves.
And he let the swine get away with it. CofE supports the Thieves!!
You can thank Henry VIII for that
Priests? Bunch of nutters with invisible friends and a homo-erotic complex, especially the catholics with their paedo tendencies.
Brown this is a time of a acute national crisis, as Prime Minister it is your
duty to address the nation………and I’m in need of a bloody good laugh!
More insincere bullshit from the Scotch gobshite tonight…
http://denverthen.blogspot.com/2009/05/brown-liar-and-liability.html
Good one, right to the point.
When is someone going to tell that fella that an honest, straightforward apology shouldn’t contain the words on ‘behalf of’?
On that note, I am utterly disgusted by the weather this week, I feel I really must apologise to all hard working families on behalf of weather systems everywhere.
Diane Abbott on the front page of the Independent, quoted to the effect that voters aren’t just angry, they want politicians shot and hanging from lamp-posts.
Reckon she comes here?
Reckon she comes here?
Did she mention piano wire too?
Where else do you think they get their ideas from? That’s what being an MP is all about let other people do the hard work and come up with stuff then steal the credit for it and we get paid for it as well.
You mugs are the greatest in the world, we love the UK people.
She said the same thing the other night on This Weekend.
As for coming here who knows. I was wondering if politicians come to this site to guage the publics true feelings.
You’d want a crane cable to lift up Abbott, piano wire would snap in an instant. She is one big heffer.
She said that much on Thursday night’s This Week TV programme.
She forgot to mention crucifixion.
If the political class ended up hanging from lamposts would anyone actually really care?
somehow i dont think so.
“Reckon she comes here?”
Comrade Abbott does not come anywhere. Only horrid men do that sort of thing.
Gordon’s favourite movie is on BBC at 11.35.
The Bunker
Every paper is using that term now – all the broadsheets, and I think it was here that it first became routine. The bunker, Downfall, aTroughalypse, piano wire and lamp posts – this place is writing the narrative, we’re telling the story now, the press are playing catch up. When they’re using the terminology and in-jokes of people like us… the game is so fucking up.
And in *my* story, there is no happy ending for these fuckers.
It’s Awesome. I hope we all realise that in about a hundred years they’ll still be reading our comments in this blog about the black time in British history of the Trough Parliament.
Evenin’ all. 1000th? Over.
Fuck it.
Trust plod always to early or late.
Le comment mille, surely?
Following the McBride mess at over 1000 blogs, this shows the depth of anger at the latest fuckin’ mess. Election NOW
I owe you two quid Guido – say a half of Murphys?
Eurovision is shite without Wogan
Guido should auction off the memorable numbered comments like the DVLA do.
I’d bid £ 2 for the 1000
I’ll see your £2 and raise you Margaret Beckett’s bloomers
raise you Piggie Bryant’s Y FRONTS…
Donors call time on Labour Parteh.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/16/mps-expenses-donors-party-funding
The Labour Party is BUST
Even with years on unkosha carry on
which must be INVESTIGATED as well I tell you…
You wouldn’t believe how they have been running their finances…
Except if you know Zimbabwe of course…
Rather a lot of unenglish sounding names there, makes one think.
SMILE
Thought the same thing Chief..
But we are onto it OK
Terrorist Watch and all that…
And in the same article MPs “worried about other expenses scams” being made public by “Westminster staff” including false mileage claims…
As is we are not already in shell shock…
It seems we have been run by real gangsters for years now
This is beyond disgraceful..
Snap I claim my £5 winnings
The prick is laughing in the picture above the article!
they may well now, but that’s another scandal. How many £1m donors got tens of millions in government contracts for their companies. Isn’t that every single one? And a peerage to boot.
All my claims were within the rules. Now fuck off, plebs.
And mine. Fuck off the noo plebs, och aye.
I calim my free maot for being the 1000th!
and a lesson in spelling – could be an MP one day!
Remember Dawn Primarolo? Gordon’s longest serving Treasury Minister, Paymaster Genera, formerly Financial Secretary to the Treasury? Architect of IR35 and the Working Families Tax Credit??? Hang on to your hats :
“Some forms include mistakes where Ms Primarolo has entered one of her claims in the wrong column.
Fees office staff also boosted the amount paid in some claims because the MP had added up the claim incorrectly.”
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/news/Bristol-South-MP-angry-expenses-scandal/article-997715-detail/article.html?cacheBust=1yh12imJ2Rts&authid=ZPN5e3ET5nZCvc3mLJN4CMB5olGjP9odVq2KjwjLfG8qWdIRyn1242501157674&success=true#community
Is that the one with a moustache that would put Groucho Marx to shame?
Yep, that’s our Prawn Dimarolo!
Dim Prawn’s Priceless !
She’s just put her heavily redacted and dodgy expenses online here:
http://www.bristolsouthlabourparty.org.uk/mps-allowance-receipts
It’s “Red” Dawn Primarilo
“From being elected in 1987, her family home in Bristol was always listed as her main residence but changes in Parliamentary rules meant that during her early years as a Treasury minister she was made to change that to London. The rules changed again and when she was told about the new regulations she switched her main home back to Bristol.”
In other words she flipped.
rules the wrote who
It is time HM called for the PM and the Speaker.
I have been having weird day dreams about the opening scenes in Cromwell.
HM entering Parliament with an armed party and arresting hoons. Unlike the original film though this is good idea and popular with the proles.
The Generals maybe nothing but puppets. But the men they lead are loyal and more than pissed off with NuLabour.
We are smarting over mortgages payments. They are smarting over being sent to war without adequate equipment, returning when wounded to inadequate hospital facilities, and being paid less than an EU economic immigrant. All the time while EU friends keep there forces safe and sound.
And please Dave can we have our navy back? All twelve Type 45′s and 12 SSNs please?
Hello Filth
Still on the job I see
Good man..
Arrested any ZANU Labour scrum today ?
My master’s still on the job
Is he pissed ?
I have been told Gorbals has been pîssed all weekend…
Quite irrecuperable..
He has gone from beetroot red to purple today…
Dont’ think he will last long…
Sorry
that should read
Mock Tudor Labour scum…
They have changed their name…
Look, stop having a go at me. I have published my expences and as you can see; I only take over a thousand a month for the interest on my morgage. Myself and the Conservative MP’s are honest. In fact I will be so bold as to say all the right honourable and honourable members of Parliament of every party are honest.
We honestly thought we would never get caught out.
Dave I believe you, I believe you..he is telling the truth everyone..Now please let me get orf the radiator
Damn, what a year. First I lose my right leg with blocked arteries, then I lose my money in the banking screwup, now the gummint is going down (I hope).
They better be right that shit happens in threes. Any more and I’ll take what’s left of the HOC down myself (hopefully with the valuable assistance of Guido – my hero! – and a couple of kegs of black powder, or maybe Semtex or C4).
Did I miss anything else happening?
Margaret Rutherford returned from the grave. Newton’s Second Law was shown to be faulty. Pope Benedict was outed as a member of the BNP. Otherwise, I should say you’re up to speed with current events.
Sorry to hear about the leg. I shall say nothing about your cognomen, not wishing to know its origin.
have fun with wordle
http://www.wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/856028/dan_hannan_on_Gordon_Brown
WE, THE PEOPLE, DEMAND THE DISSOLUTION OF PARLIAMENT..
DEMONSTRATION. HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT.
WEDNESDAY 20th MAY. 12 Noon till 2PM
Thats a stupid day.
We need a weekend
Yes, we’re British for goodness sake, we can’t revolte on a workday!
sorry, typo
Further details:
Mrs Allison Edwards a housewife from Telford, Shropshire, mother of a severely autistic 12 year old son, furious about the battles for resources she has endured for years, has decided to act. She has been granted permission by police to hold a demonstration outside the Houses of Parliament on Wednesday 20th May, from 12-2pm during PMQ’s to call for Parliament to be dissolved.
http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/2009/05/16/shahid-malik-is-being-used-as-a-scapegoat/#more-4830
A Bank Holiday might be better.
True – the House is pretty vacant whether MPs are sitting or not.
I am wearing my V for Vendetta costume. Being hyperactive i’ll look like Old Holborn on crack!
Who was the joker here last week who wanted to do a pig drive to Parliament?
Make it Friday and we can all take the afternoon off and have a nice long weekend.
I see Gordon has Spoken to the Nation…via the News of the World.
Does he get paid for a Kiss and Tell ?
Although this is probably better than using YouTube to speak to Her Maesty’s subjects, surely he should have written to all the papers? There can’t be too many who read thew NOTW these days amongst those who can afford to fork out for any Sunday paper.
Its still top seller on sundays.
I believe it’s one of the top sellers globally. Not many people know that.
Kept me wanking through two world wars and one world cup.
If we have 640 MPs and they all have an office, why not compromise… lets say 320 MPs and they get an office AND A BEDROOM… furnished by Travelodge. Anything else you fancy living in or on, try buying it from taxed income mate? Could it work??!
Yeah, the number of MP’s has to be slashed. I’d say 400 at the most with 100 Lords. Easy way to cut costs straight away.
Fraser Kemp MP come on down!
It’s time for YOU to appear in tomorrow’s Telegraph.
He voted to keep Trident!!! But the rest of his voting record point to him being a party toady.
What has the scamp been up to then?
Hazel Blears must be one of the most vile smug irritating people in the UK, tonight she will be having a eurosvison ginger biker nutfest, marks and spencer champage finally bringing on a constipated bowl movement in her Dauntless avocado toilet pan, the waft Haze Rose Garden air freshener hardly disguising the stench, it will take stronger stuff to get rid of Mrs Blears
It takes 7 years to train a doctor.
It takes 18 months to train a junior Army Officer
It takes 32 weeks to train a Royal Marine
It takes 18 hours to elect an MP and there are thousands applying for the job…
So on that basis , about $15K per annum would get you lots of applicants
(£15K plus status and respect- once it had been re-earned).
One Marine is worth 50 liebour MP’s
Do you think 50 liebour MPs would stand any chance against 1 marine?
Keep it fair.
Give the NueArbiet MPs an AK47 each and give the Marine half a house-brick
While they are busy working out the risk assessment, the diversity policy and the expenses claim the Royal Marine can twat the fuckers.
Guido SERIOUS BUSINESS
Can you please establish prizes for the best expenses claimsmade by the PIGGIES ?
They will be called the Porkie Pie Prizes
Awarded ? annually
First nomination
(from the Mailonline)
Labour MP Derek Wyatt claimed as expenses :
WAIT FOT IT…
2 SCOTCH EGGS (75p)
AND WAIT FOR IT -This takes the biscuit…
5 MINI PORK PIES (£ 1.75) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think Mr WYATT wins the FIRST PORKIE PIE PRIZE
for having the good tayst to put 5 MINI Porkie Pies on expenses…
I will order them and get the Porkie Pie Prize sent to him if you agree…
WITH LOVE FROM GUIDO… OK?
Any other nominations please ?
Worst expenses claim EVER!
I claim for my packet of Rennies after reading that
And a partridge in a fucking pear tree.
‘E never fooking offered me one of thorse Taxpayers’ pies.
Fookin’ Hooooon !!
Caligula
Excellent idea
I think Prezza must be in with a sporting chance for his Mock Tudor beams
don’t you think ?
Where will the award ceremony be held ?
The Dorchester ?!
Your devoted spy and informer…
Looks like the McCanns are coming to Gordon’s rescue by grabbing the Sunday headlines.
New ComRes poll.
CON 40(-5) LAB 21(-5) LD 18 (nc)
The Telegraph has never had more letters in 154 years…..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5331503/MPs-expenses-A-raging-storm-on-the-Telegraph-letters-page.html
Oh Guido, how could you do it to them? You say, “We want people in politics who are more like good priests – poor and honest.” Aren’t those poor politicians in enough trouble with the public? Once you start comparing them with priests you’ll make the public hate them even more!
1058 – Ha ha ha ha ha !.
just what you want to see no doubt…
Any news on MPs MacKay and Kirkbride
Both presented FALSE CLAIMS concerning first and second homes
Both are liable for obtaining public funds under false pretences..
A clear criminal offence…
Both should have the Whip withdrawn and be reported to Scotland Yard forthwith…
Not as clear as Morley’s, Chaytor’s, McNulty’s and Straw’s. But then you’re a Labour hoon, aren’t you?
From PB.Com.
“GIN says:
16/5/2009 at 9:17 pm
*SPECULATION ALERT*
The Tele have got some scandal on Michael Martin – Brown is going on Marr to tell the Speaker to go!”
I couldn’t possibly comment.
This whole thing really needs a radical change in the whole damn Parliamentary system.
Not just excuses, cheque writing and apologies.
Enough of this “tradition” and Black Rod bashing the door and Mr.Speaker shouting “Order—o,o,o–order..o,o,order” as Gorbals Mick has tried to learn and copy.
(Can you imagine him talking that way in Springburn?)
I’ve never liked him.
The man is a Clown IMO.(I’m a Glasgwegian myself BTW, so no prejudice here)…
and MP’s learning this quaint style of “public speaking” where you keep repeating the first few words of your sentence constantly until the noise
calms down…
It’s an F’ing “Old Boy’s” club now where “learning the game” and personal fame and personal wealth are the main issues.
The whole thing has become a cheap reality TV show.
I’ve voted over the last 35 years, but I’ve afraid I don’t have the stomach to go out and vote for ANY of these tossers anymore.
Well, Bru-why dont you vote SNP this time, and I GUARANTEE that you will NEVER EVER have to listen to the likes of Martin shouting ORDURE ORDURE ever again!
Tonight’s hors d’oeuvres:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5336116/Fraser-Kemp-Mistakes-over-sheets-and-DVDs-on-MPs-expenses.html
Hmmmm.
Maxing out on Claims for bed sheets, Dvd players and flat screen TVs.
What was he up to? On second thoughts I’d rather not know.
I only use tissues.
Fraser Kemp MP
Expenses included 16 sheets etc in six weeks…for a one bedroom flat in Pimlico
Was he renting it out as a brothel ??!!
These mootherfoockers are the bitter end…
Bet he was taking them back to M&S
he was running a chinese laundry lol
I’m still wating for the Balls to be implicated in all of this!
You have to larf…
The link to Broon’s article for the NotW appears under one to a story about Georgina Baillie, with the words “Satanic Slut” just above Broon’s ugly mugshot.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/
Big hushpuppies.
But nowhere near Brown. The Queen is closer.
MP Malik on countdown to wedding ( Old News)
Mr Malik said the age difference did not matter
Britain’s first Muslim minister has announced he is to marry the “woman of his dreams” on 10 February.
Shahid Malik, 40, and his bride-to-be – a 24-year-old trainee solicitor – will marry in a Muslim ceremony in London in front of around 500 guests.
The MP for Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, said “everything feels plumb perfect”.
He added that he was pleased to have found someone “foolish enough” to take on a politician and said he hopes “she doesn’t live to regret it”.
‘Worth it’
Mr Malik described himself as a “lucky man” and said the one thing that was missing in his life was a life partner.
“I’m obviously incredibly thrilled to be getting married,” he said.
“It’s been a longer wait than I would have liked. I didn’t think I would have to turn 40 before I met the woman of my dreams, but it’s better late than never.
“Both families are thrilled and it can only go downhill from here because everything feels plumb perfect.”
I’m very young looking and feeling despite two-and-a-half years in this place
His wife-to-be, Sundus Sheikh, from Isleworth, west London, has taken time out from work to organise the wedding.
The couple are planning to hold another celebration a week later in Blackburn, near Mr Malik’s hometown of Burnley, and around 2,500 people are expected to attend.
While not looking forward to all the baggage that comes with being a politician’s wife, Ms Sheikh said her husband-to-be “might just be worth it”.
Mr Malik said it was “not one iota” an arranged marriage – he first saw Ms Sheikh in the coffee shop in Portcullis House, Westminster.
Asked about the age difference between him and his bride-to-be, he said: “I’m very young looking and feeling despite two-and-a-half years in this place”.
So where does she live then……………and nice to see a well arranged marriage.
LOL wait till he finds 3 more suckers to marry under sharia law
Will the Taxpayers be invoiced for the celebrations ???
No, they are in Blackburn, so Jack Straw will be picking up the tab – before submitting a claim to the Fees Office.
If it wasn’t arranged did he buy her then ??
Over
Yes…
Twenty five fattened new Labour cows….
I wonder if she passed the John Lewis List around her mates, for the wedding presents ?.
Probably not much use for the massage chair now he’s got the real thing.
Congratulations Guido!
Over a thousand comments; is this a first?
McBride scandal had a similar response
sky showing headlines about HMQ telling Brown to sort things out in the Wail and the Excess.
I think if Prince Philip had been King he would have sent for Brown by now.
HMQ is in such a difficult position. She has my sincerest sympathies.
But she could secure the monarchy for the next fifty years if she just summoned brown now. The civil service would keep the country running. I don’t think the Met would stand in the way of a company of guards and a squadron or three from the HC. Actually I think they would hand the bugger over.
Do you think Brown will have to go into exile after this?
The civil service would keep the country running?
Ferchrissakes that presumes that Broon is actually doing something useful. Somehow we managed without him before, and we’ll do fine well, very well, after he has gone.
News Flasg. Gordon Brown has just appointed Lord Myners has been called in to review the “resettlement package” for those MP’s who are removed from post.
So they are laughing all the way there then. MP’s are being represented by Sir Fred.
With immediate effect the pension pot of those MP’s caught with their fingers in the till should be seized.
Note Hazel Blears cheque has still not been debited from her account. Do they not have to pay interest on their ill gotten gains?
Malik paid his £1,050 to Help for Heroes – Not
“Malik paid his £1,050 to Help for Heroes-NOT”
More likely to the Pradeshi Madressa Benevolent Fund – head office high in the Pakistan foothills.
“Malik paid his £1,050 to Help for Heroes – Not”
more likely to the Pradeshi M*adressa Benevolent Fund – head office high in the P*akistan foothills
Blears’ cheque that she flashed on Sky TV was not made out to anyone.
In my last post here I mistakenly didn’t spell waiting with the first “i”. I apologise for this mistake as that is the way it’s spelt in the dictionary so was misled. I attach the missing “i”.
i
I used to have a guppy called Fsh..because he had a i missing!!!
(Eye)
The Queen is not amused by MPs’ expenses scandal
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mandrake/5335164/The-Queen-is-not-amused-by-MPs-expenses-scandal.html
Does us a favour ma’am. Dissolve parliament or at least reopen the Tower.
Mail now covering this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1183468/The-Queen-tells-Brown-grave-concern-MPs-expenses.html
No one else attends these meetings, but report is stating there was a ‘candid exchange of views’. That means Brown lost it with her.
If true, I would personally like to smack the repulsive mentally deficient twunt in the face.
One of the Guards should have shoved the butt of his rilfe in his face and the spiked him with his bayonet.
Twat
we are in the realm of obscenity when Speaker Martin wants to keeps his MP’s seat “hot” for his son…
He has brought disrepute on the House of Commons, on British Justice and on the Nation..
he is a proven gangster..
And he wants his “son to succeed him” as a Labour MP…
Are we in Palermo ?
‘the fees office turned it down. Rather than pay for the television himself, Mr Kemp took it back to the store and got a refund.’
So much for ‘essential to his work as an MP’! TIGHT SOCIALIST TWAT.
The problem with high pay for MPs is that it encourages them to do something, and since all MPs actually do is create policy, which usually means legislation, the more we pay them, the more laws they will create.
We need less new laws and more enforcing of current laws.
Perhaps we should pay them less.
Dissolve Parliament.
Enough is enough.
seconded
Thirdeded
4th’d
FIFTED.
WHAT ARE WE ALL WAITING FOR?
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GO OF THEIR OWN ACCORD.
6thed. Need any help? Where are we all gonna meet? Shall we request Her Majesty meet us on the Mall?
No – tell Her Maj to call in for a swift half at the Westminster Arms, Monday 7pm sharp. Then we’ll go over the road and tell them to clear their desks.
And do what? Elect a supreme Soviet? Get real and beware of what you wish for.
Many, many people have died to preserve this system. So it has been abused. In most societies they are never caught; it is not that they don’t exist.
What we need is now some severe pruning, not a new garden.
Relax everyone Gordon says “I will do all that’s needed to fix mess” in this mornings News of the World.
Now we are really fucked!!!!
I hope for the NOTWs’ sake he didn’t set foot in their offices to do the interview.
This comment which he uses for EVERY crisis reveals his ends justifies the means moral philosophy which explains a lot and should get us scared of this madman.
A FORMER SAS major who supports the Conservative party has been named as the middleman in the ring that sold details of MPs’ expenses to The Daily Telegraph for tens of thousands of pounds.
John Wick, 60, who runs a corporate intelligence company in the City of London, is known to have approached newspapers on behalf of the people who obtained the data.
Until a year ago he was a member of the Carlton club, which allows only supporters of the Conservative party to join. His name has become known to several newspapers since the Telegraph began publishing details from leaked computer disks containing details of all MPs’ expenses receipts.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6301739.ece
I bet the Rozzers interview him faster than they do any MPs
I bet they don’t. No public sympathy for fulfilling the directives of Beria Martin.
Thats the SAS for you, public service all the way.
Well done that man.
So he knows some bods who would be useful in a coup then? Super. I am tuning the LW to Radio 4 now. When it kicks off the BBC are bound to start playing something patriotic, La Marseillaise, the Red Flag or perhaps some Arab ditty. Is that Ronnie Hazlehusrt chappy still with us? I bet he would he do a lovely medley. I wonder who they will get to star in a film of the coup. The Labour lot would have to be CGI I think. I heard the Muppets didn’t want to be connected with the £$!”$”£$
Have you noticed how many references to Iran pop up on all Al Beeb’s stations these days?
So, we are already in the middle of a 21st century military coup. Eek.
A 21st century military coup – not forces personnel capturing the broadcasters and over-running civil service buildings – just intelligence …
Serves NuLabour right for starving the forces of everything they need.
Sadly with the state of affairs in terms of funding the coup is going to be led by the Beefeaters, who are the only ones left with any working weapons in the UK land forces. If it wasn’t Sunday tomorrow and Homebase didn’t have a 10% off day I would join them…
Who dares wins
hardly done the cons any favours has it?
Unless they wanted to get rid of one or two of their more embarrassing MPs.
Maybe he’s a proper conservative, unlike “dave”.
All these MPs who told the Fees Office one thing about their main home and the HMRC another thing, in order to gain financially – surely, they are going to prison? Fraud Act. Why should being MPs mean that they get treated differently from any Joe Public who might do this?
As an aside, my MP has still not appeared as a “saint” – or anything else.
The rules for Joe Public are not straightforward:
http://www.taxationweb.co.uk/tax-articles/capital-taxes/is-your-principal-private-residence-property-totally-cgt-tax-free.html
Enough scope to play games even without MP’s added benefits – try asking some of the buy-to-let get rich quick fraternity how they did it. Of course, now prices are falling you can indulge in Schadenfreude as they fall faster into negative equity and get repossessed. Same could well happen to a few MPs I reckon.
Funny I remember the government cracking down on people developing more than one property designated as their main home within a year or two.
Looks like Martin will have to be pushed:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1183463/Michael-Martin-quit-Election-install-son-hereditary-seat-claim-100-000-golden-parachute.html
With his son to follow, whether he stands or not.
michael martin should go and go now ,before he is allowed to do us any more evil
The Four named and shamed tonight make my blood boil.
They deliberately tried to stop the public finding out about their disgusting expenses claims by using their votes as MPs to protect themseves. They were not representing their constituents.
They are TRAITORS and should be charged as such.
SCUM SCUM SCUM and SCUM
THEY ARE GUILTY WITH SPEAKER MARTIN OF DELIBERATELY AND KNOWINGLY PERVERTING THE COURSE OF JUSTICE
VERY HEAVY PRISON TERMS FOR THAT
I was in Devizes this morning. Pleasant town represented by Michael Ancram MP. Two elderly voters fearing for the safety of the Big Issue seller now that Ancram will be short of his expenses. “Wouldn’t put it past him to mug the bloke for a few quid just like he’s been mugging us”
Deselect the lot of them. It is the only just way of dealing with this matter.
“The Prime Minister felt that he was being persecuted,” said one MP close to Mr Brown. “There was genuine anger from him which didn’t abate during the course of the day.”
Oh, really, Mr Brown?
I think that we should let the Gurkhas loose for half an hour.
Its the only kukri programme I’d enjoy
Stop trying to curry favour – hang all these scum and vote for true honest upright John Bull types at the EU elections, only the Black Cardigans will truly drive out all that is not pure and represent the true voice of democracy etc etc….err you don’t happen to have the e mail address of the Fees Office do you?
Marvin the Paranoid Android. Oooh said thh battlecannon…
Let’s hope he doesn’t start another war to get his feeble ratings up.
Perhaps any other MPs ‘close’ to Mr.Brown might dare to tell him that the vast majority of people in England DETEST him and his ‘policies’.
We have endured 12 years of NuLabour and we are all heartily sick of this ‘government’.
Latest polls: Labour down to 20% their lowest ever percentage.
Tory lead over 20%
Goodbye Brown, and good riddance.
AND DON’T FORGET GORDON BROWN HAS HAD THE MOST CRIMINAL AND FILTHY DIRTY TRICKS DEPARTMENT AROUND HIM WITH MCBRIDE BALLS AND CO AROUND HIM FOR 12 YEARS
? CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION HERE AS WELL ??
The Mail are also ‘aving a larf…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1183450/My-fathers-spell-jail-Jack-Straw-Secretary-State-Justice.html
His son got off with a caution:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/24/newsid_2540000/2540417.stm
She has anUdder one! Baroness is pulling every teat on her udder:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6301734.ece
Right at the front of the trough then ????????
Can’t even claim the Jack Straw defence, ‘Accountancy is not my strongest suit’.
Perhaps you can try the Speaker defence, ‘Integrity is not my strongest suit’ ?
FUCK OFF Uddin to Banglydosh
I’ve owned the mansion in Bangladesh for a decade, around the time when Udders was, ahem, ennobled. And it’s very tastefully decorated with Italian marble. I thought it would be emblematic of my wife’s new status and put a crest of the House of Lords on its gates.
So this is where she’s hiding, marble palace in Banglaland (M*uslim Republic of).
Are we taxpayers who fund it and her 65000 pound BMW (this for a baronet in social housing) allowed to visit for free holidays?
Hopefully her kinsmen (others bearing the Uddin name), involved in Tottering Hamlets social housing will now put her on the street, NOT.
Liebour troughers are essentially more despicable than the rest for hiding behind all their equality, minority rights and similar holier-than-thou bollocks, where in reality they encourage nepotism (Benn’s teenage granddaughter!) opportunism, corrupution and greed and especailly from the undeserving, under-educated and sponging classes they reate in the first place.
Its a merry-go-around of the lowest common denominator paid for by our taxes.
disbars? undone?
At least Cameron is taking action, unlike Brown who is just trying to pull the wool over our eyes. I believe Cameron will deal with Tory miscreants while Brown will cover up for Labour’s.
Now, here’s another scumbag MP just exposed by the Telegraph. This time it’s Geoffrey Clifton-Brown Tory MP for the Cotswolds and a Shadow Minister:
“Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the Shadow Minister for International Development, ‘flipped’ his second home designation from London to his new Gloucestershire home and claimed £66,800 over three years from 2005 to 2008 – the maximum amount allowed for a second home.
Two years after buying the Gloucestershire house, Mr Clifton-Brown sold it and raked in a profit of £208,000, the Telegraph reported. He then upgraded to a new house – a former rectory worth £2.7million.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1183128/MPs-expenses-Its-rabbit-season-taxpayer-caught-headlights.html
What do you expect from a man who’s got ‘Brown’ as part of his surname ?
Seriously, he’ll have to pay all that back when he’s summoned to Cameron’s Scrutiny Panel; hopefully plus interest.
Crikey, I’ve seen more angry comments on here for dodgy expense claims, than the fact that Brown and co have fucked the country over for over a trillion quid that will take generations to pay off. Bizzare.
Might as well nail the bastards for something!
You miss the point. We all know that Brown and his team have put the country in hock for generations – that’s politics. It’s the cumulative deviousness and dishonesty of our MPs on a personal basis that is so disgusting. It’s not the amount in monetary terms, it’s the cheating and arrogance that is so appalling in people that are supposed to serve the country – not the other way round.
One man who could have stopped much of it stood by and let it happen – the Speaker, Michael Martin, one of the most inept, dirty and dishonourable men to have ever been in that position. And the fat, slobbering bastard in his ludicrous ceremonial tights is still there, refusing to go.
It is hugely funny, no?
The idiot British public reward with a fresh term in office the perpetrators of an illegal war that made them less secure, justified through lies, and having been told in the face of the truth that they “could” have an apology but were not getting one. And the rewarded perpetrators continue to fail in the reform of public services, whilst squandering national wealth in the foolish belief they have “abolished boom and bust”.
All of this is seemingly shrugged off by the idiot British public. Who could have imagined how exercised they would become over paying for some baubles and perquisites?
To be fair it was only a minority of the public that voted them back in and if we had voted cons or libs in we’d of still been in Iraq till now anyway. We should hang the bastards though good and proper, I bet theres riots in august once the fuel duty skyrockets again.
This is an important message my friends
There is no a moutain of evidence to prove that there was a determined conspiracy to PERVERT THE COURSE OF JUSTICE ORANISED BY SPEAKER MARTIN to COVER UP MULTIPLE THEFT AND FRAUD BY MPs which should have been reported to the POLICE..
SPEAKER MARTIN USED HIS PRIVILEGED POSITION TO USE TAXPAYERS MONEY TO ATTEMPT FOR YEARS TO CONTINUE THIS COVER UP AND THEREFOR PERPETUATE THIS PERVSION OF THE COURSE OF JUSTICE
THOSE RESPONSIBLE UNDER HIM IN THE FEES OFICE WERE PARTIES TO THIS CONSPIRACY TPO PERVERT THE COURSE OF JUSTICE.
COMPLAINTS WILL BE FILED FORTHWITH WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF THE MET AGAINST SPEAKER MARTIN AND OTHERS ON THESE GROUNDS
Cardinal Richelieu’s mole
All the people who are sounding off here about what a bunch of crooks they are form part of your “idiot british public” – they are joined by millions of others who never voted for this corrupt government.
Sounds to me like you just have issues with Britain in general and are using this discussion as a platform for them, given that you’re blaming the entire British population for this mess, in spite of the majority of them having not voted for it.
Here’s an idea – fuck off back to whichever European state (France perhaps?) you’re from and contribute towards getting your own house in order before you judge others’
It’s the straw that broke the camel’s back. It’s symptomatic of Labour’s inherent corruption. It’s also the stick with which we can beat them – into oblivion.
Yeah, you’re right. We’ve got to hang ‘em all for something relatively trivial in monetary terms……..it’s what the bastards deserve.
Rembouser est une chienne.
Céline Dion est mal baisée
Pleas get the accents right…!!
L’emporer n’est pas vu qu’il y a un autre lettres francais omittée?
Its the old Al Capone arguement.Nail ‘em for something just to get them off the street.
For the sake of your country:
Vote B.N.P.
Don’ let Tatchell back in
Perhaps we could send him to Iran to arrange a protest there.
Kaufman.
What a bastard.
He should have his Knighthood removed – no Knight of the Realm is he.
Unbelievable. Absolutely gobsmacked.
Trying to claim over £8,000 for TV was in his words:
“a bit daft”.
Dissolve Parliament.
Its rotten to the core. There is no authority, no trust & no mandate for McMentals cabal of thieves.
This is very small beer indeed, but a very large TV.
Kaufman wouldn’t know what to do with a night hood……
Pasty faced GK looks like the ‘living dead’ and he is the ‘living dead’!!
A total money-sucking arrogant hoon!
No darkie was a baronness of the realm back in my day
Saturday update. Udin owns mansion, Queen talks to Gordon, plus much more!
England ruined by the worst Government in history. The worst opposition, also. Off with their fucking heads.
labour manage 20% tories suspect bpiex are using extrordinary rendition and water boarding , gerlad Kaufman declares i have better things that to do than excuse the labour party, Michael Martin did indeed ,as supected for some time treat all detractors like Kate Hoey , and despite warnings on expense abuses told then to mind there own business as he was don glasgae , so it wasnt the system it was the speaker !! part of jock communist nation ruining party .
Peter Tatchell sells gayism by telling the ruskis , that only a socialist Gordon brown could deliver legalised gayism , and defeats leather gloved KGB heavies by forcing uncontrollable fits of laughter . speaking later peter said its a bit rough in moscow , but the flights are cheap and regualr .
gordon concludes yet another bad week for labour with an article in the NOW that concludes “”now at this time we must all come together ” , blog poster ex school chum comments he was useless at school at the soggy biscuit game , i often wondered if he was trying to economise on tuck shop expenses
I’ve just read this in the Mail on Sunday. “Michael Martin has agreed to quit as Speaker following a revolt by MPs and claims that he failed to curb MPs’ expenses, it was revealed last night. But he is fighting a rearguard action to stay on as an MP for another year so he can keep £100,000 of pay and perks and help his son Paul to inherit his Glasgow seat.”
If this is true it reflects just how filthy politics in this country has become. Not only is greed a leading factor behind this dirty inept man but also nepotism. Just how low can one get as an MP? Perhaps Glasgow deserves them – just keep him and his family well away from England.
There’s a lot of politics in Cricket
What fucking mugs thought it would be a good idea to agree to let the current numbers stay in:
”The poll also reveals, perhaps surprisingly, that there is little support for a cut in the number of MPs sitting in Parliament, with the highest figure – 15 per cent – supporting the current total of 646. ”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1183461/Gordon-Brown-neck-neck-Euro-elections–UKIP.html
It must be the same mysterious bunch of 1 in 5 idiots who still support Labour
According to your own link, 16% of people support leaving a general election till the last possible moment. These can only be die-hard Labour supporters, Therefore the figure is more like 1 in 6 idiots still support Labour.
Anyone guess the weight of tomorows’s Sunday Telegraph?
Will I need me wheelbarra?
Now come on bentkopper, don’t be so silly. You could not buy the Odeon in Middlesbrough for 9K – the phillistines knocked it down and turned it into a car park!
I must have lived a very sheltered life as I was totally unaware that there was such as thing as a t.v. that cost nearly 9K. What does it look like? What does it do? Is it encased in solid gold?
As to whether M.P.’s are paid enough. Can I just point out that the weekly wage of a carer is the princely sum of £53.
Yes, you read it right, £53.
That is for a job that is both physically and mentally tiring.
There are no paid holidays, no unpaid ones either, for that matter.
It is a 24/7 job, no clocking off for the weekend at 3.p.m. on a Thursday afternoon.
There are no perks and definitely no expense accounts.
60k+ not enough for an M.P. – give your heads a shake and then tell me who doesn’t get paid enough!
Given what we have learned in the last few weeks about the political classes and their love of money, how could there be on case to answer over cash for peerages?
This lot are so corrupt,the only people who can’t see aproblem seem to be the MET.
Since when do the police form a committee to decide if a crime has been committed? I thought their role was to gather evidence and let the CPS…oh fuck just realised,there’s no chance of justice. Gordon’s master plan is to keep it under wraps this way, or to lock up the opposition.
Quite right
We are living a breakdown in the Rule of Law in England
WHich invented the concept of the Rule of Law…
The Biggest Car Crash Britain has ever seen you mean…
Of course LABOUR SOLD PEERAGES
And the MET WAS UNDER DURESS
OPEN THE RECORDS NOW
THE BRITISH PEOPLE DEMAND THE TRUTH FOR ONCE…
Dear Your Majesty,
If you or one of your servants is reading this please use your reserve powers to dissolve Parliament and call a General Election as the people have clearly lost faith in your government. After all, it was done in Australia a few years ago by the High Commissioner acting in your name. Surely if it’s good enough for the colonials, it’s good enough for us?
Sign the petition to ask the Queen to dissolve parliament here
http://www.gopetition.co.uk/petitions/a-call-to-her-majesty-the-queen-to-dissolve-parliament.html/
And please, tell your friends – spread the link
ABOLISH ALL TITLES TO START WITH
THEN YOU CAN’T SELL THEM
LIKE IN ANY MODERN DEMOCRACY
IN ANY CASE WHO WOULD WANT TO BE A PE-ER NOW ?
SURROUNDED BY HUNDREDS OF SORDID PORKIE PIE LABOUR BARONS AND BARONESSES (TONY’S CRONIES REMEMBER) MOST OF WHOM SHOULD BE IN JAIL OR IMPEACHED FOR BRINGING THE HOUSE OF LORDS INTO DISREPUTE
LET US KEEP COOL MY FRIENDS…
Dont’ forget
Porkie Pie Tories eat truffles
and Porkie Pie labour eat mini porkie pies…
That must mean something in 2009…?
I was so busy ranting, that I forgot to ask, whether anyone agreed that the three main parties should be made to withdraw their candidates from the European elections next month?
Surely, their candidates will have been chosen by the same party machine that seems to have encouraged such corrupt behaviour, as we have seen of late?
If ‘democracy’ really mattered to these selfish, arrogant cheats then they would at least have to review all their candidates, withdrawing any where there is a hint off Snout and Trough disease.
I want to see EU expenses NOW – Europe-wide!
Pakistan now has better democratic accountability than UK, and that is not saying much, believe me.
SURELY IN DEED
1) It is a Rotten Parliament.
2) If I was a polis I`d be asking the cyphers in the Commons Fees Office if they`d like to avoid life imprisonment by naming names now.
3) That civil servant Kelly could do a Cromwell right now and demand the hoons resign, if he wanted.
Why is it that the most obvious offenders have only been temporarily suspended’ by their respective parties?
If someone takes such high office and does something so grave as to invite a police investigation, surely they shouldn’t be suspended from their parties, they should be suspended from their gonads.
Guido
Your refence to Comment Central
of Mr Finkelstein in The Times oof London (sic) (not sick)
Recommendations for Speaker
Mr Oliver Kamm, leader writer,
recommended Gerald Kaufman
Before or after Gerald Kaufman’s expenses scandal ?
Is Comment Central “That was the week that was” ?
For which the said Kaufman wrote scripts ??
Are these people out of their fucking heads ???
Or has the spirit of Caligula overtaken them ?
Finkelstein – Kamm – Kaufman
Can somone connect the dots for me please ?
I think I am missing something here…
I would make an excellent Speaker.
Impartial, honest, fearless and sanctimonious thieving piece of shit that I am.
More articulate than Michael Martin though.
Let me give you a few more dots, then: Dame Shirley Porter, Lord Spens, Sir Victor Blank, Gerald Ronson and the Rabbi Lionel Bloom…
If Fred the Shred got his windows smashed in surely it’s only a matter of time before an MP, whether culpable of fraudulent behaviour or not, gets hurt?
We truly are living in dangerous times.
The Solution:
1. Expel of cheating baxtard MPs, whether or not their claims were “one million per cent by the book or otherwise, over the summer.
2. Call an election in September
3. Parliament rises again in October
If the thieving baxtards or, more specifically, our one-eyed Scottish pr!ck don’t have the bottle to do that then I truly believe that Her Majesty should use her sovereign power to intervene at once.
You’re not wrong.
This requires immediate action. Unfortunately the reputation of parliament, indeed Britain as a whole, relies on the one man who has no understanding of the word ‘immediate’.
Best case scenario would be…
EVERY mp who broke the ‘wholly and neccessary’ rule, to resign their post over the next three months. (or before the late summer election)
Government is really NOT needed during this time, they sit infrequently when they are at ‘work’ and they have their 10 weeks summer holiday coming soon enough anyway. Heads of parties and cabinet/shadow cabinets stay until the election.
Election date set for late summer.
The independant report on expenses is released during summer, ALL new government MP’s agree to abide by the report with ‘one law for all’ rules.
Any stragglers or hangers on believing ‘they did nothing wrong’ can go before their electorate when the day dawns.
You are missing one BIG PROBLEM Mr George
Permanent Under Secretaries have already warned that the Budget is far too optimistic and a Supplmentary Budget (just to cover Government operating epxnes) will be necessary in SEPTEMBER
You cannot talk in a vacuum..
The Government is RUNNING OUT OF CASH..
And as usual the mad Prime Minister WILL NOT FACE IT..
So we cannot hanky panky around any longer…
Oh sh*t yes you’re right, the robbing hoons had eclipsed my sensibilities.
Move along everyone, nothing to see here.
Prepare for GE on Jun 11th.
You are completey wrong MI5 it is nonsense to suggest that the Government “are running” out of cash.
They have actually ran out of cash . They run a massive ponsi scheme as do the banks.
The Sunday Telegraph writes as if they broke this story.
No hat tip to Guido.
Maybe that’s been said above but I’m not wading through 1254 comments to find out.
Anyway, well done Guido; you’ve shifted the MSM arse again. They’re not much better than the pols.
Soon be time to dig into their senior civil service cronies.
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Isn’t Kaufman a TV critic? Maybe that’s why he wanted the TV. Hope he lets me have a peek at that 8.5k muther I helped pay for!
He doesn’t give a shit about you, me or anyone else apart from his usual cronies…
That was quite clear from what he said on TV…
Surprising he didnt’ say we were all anti-Semitic as well !!
Nothing is too low for this Labour scum…
I have more important things to do than getting involved in a petty discussion on the price of TV’s.
Get a life. Get a TV if you must.
I am a thieving sanctimonious shit. What took you so long to work it out. Tossers.
Did these Labour bastards sell their mothers as well??
Wouln’t put it past them…
As the mother of a prominent Labour MP I can testify that yes, indeed, my son has sold me. I know of two other cases where women who gave birth to babies that grew up to be Labout MP, one in the West Midlands and one in Scotland, have also succeeded in selling their mothers also.
Luckily I was sold to a farmer in East Lincolnshire. It’s very tranquil here – I have a few Polish lads for company,
, and the icey cool jet of the North Sea keeps me refreshed and able to put in long shifts out in the fields.
However, I have heard that one of my son’s colleagues tried to sell his mother to a travelling circus that once featured John Major’s family. Thankfully the circus refused said MP’s offer.
That prick in the Vodafone video below really annoys me. He has a face that is crying out to be slapped and then pissed upon. What an irksome, “trendy” fucker.
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That prick in the Vodafone video below really annoys me. He has a face that is crying out to be slapped and then pissed upon. What an irksome, “trendy” fukcer.
Mass hysteria. Tool of New Labour.
“A shadow minister claimed a £7,000 bedroom suite” according to new Telegraph revelations.
We are literally paying for the luxurious boudoirs in which these ghastly, self-serving ponces probe and pamper their prostitutes – AND WE ARE PROBABLY PAYING FOR THE PROSTITUtES TOO!
Forget the blackjack.
Brown the coward is reduced to launching his euro campaign in front of children, what is it about Brown and his love of surrounding himself with children?
They cannot vote at the election so whats going on? Brown does it because he can lord it over children and they wont answer back or ask difficult questions, brown is a classic bully and a pefect example of a coward, he dare not face the voter and so he hides away like a snivelling fucking coward.
Come on out Brown you fucking nancy, come on out and face the people you betrayed you fucking coward!
I agree. He has done the ‘Broon in the classroom with children’ thing once too often I think. People are starting to notice.
It’s cos he likes the leedle kiddies.
I was just looking up the official websites of some of the “snouters” examining at their qualifications. Almost to a man (I didn’t look up any women so to speak) they have none.
Example: “Was taxi driver for a while then an IT consultant” before suddenly popping up in parliament. I don’t wish to insult taxi drivers and I suppose anyone could call himself an IT consultant, it doesn’t mean anybody consulted him, but not exactly what you’d expect would be much use in government.
Just like a Lib-Dem PPC that I know, never held a job down in his life, much too stressful. Now thinks he can govern us!
“Those who can, do. Those who cannot, go into politics!”
Membership update: 4(including Susie)
Reminder of Party Manifesto:
Darling must Go.
Do join.
Lay off you bastard!
Can you remember just recently when the police arrested ten, or so, terrorist suspects oop North because they had a ‘tip off’ from the public and they were ‘dutybound to act’?
Why the fuck are they not acting now?
because amigo the police have been politicesed. mp’s are frightened of them because they are like the gestapo. the politicians have created their own and ours worst nightmare.
Interesting comments from Gonçalo Amaral (the McCann’s want to sue him) about the gradual politicisation of police throughout Europe and the politicisation is socialist/communist.
I’ve never heard of the police forming a committee before to decide whether to investigate. Investigation ought to be straightforward and done properly it implies no pre-judgement of whether any offence has actually been committed. Unfortunately current police practice involves doors booted in and arrests as a preliminary to an investigation.
The involvement of CPS and lawyers in the investigative decision making process taints the independence of the police. The police ought to be able to investigate on the prima facie evidence of a complaint without interference or approval from New Labour lawyers. The trouble is that they have created, for their own purposes, a situation where investigation requires preliminary arrest and arrest implies guilt. It has backfired on them in this case. That is why they have to dither and involve the CPS and New Labour lawyers before deciding what any constable ought to be able to decide at his own discretion – to investigate.
Committees are of course favoured by Gordon Brown who is indecisive and dithering. Gordon Brown is believed to have intervened in the McCann case to get Amaral removed from the investigation. There was an apparent link between Gerry McCann and Brown through Brown’s brother and some belief that McCann was going to enter the New Labour government.
New Labour have, since coming to power, created a web of influence, corruption and politicisation throughout the establishment, aided by the sinister Common Purpose organisation and various “independent” “agencies” and fake charities. It is why, when any other government would have fallen by now over the revelations made about them, they can continue in power, twisting and mainpulating the truth, spinning propaganda and undermining their opponents.
One of the worst aspects of this (they are all bad) has been the politicisation of the police and the grooming of New Labour sympathisers and/or Common Purpose graduates as senior police decision makers. The police have become a political enforcement arm of New Labour ideology and their relationship with the community has shifted from embedded protection to top down (government) control. Through the insidious work of New Labour and the groomed New Labour police officers the police service has been transformed to resemble something imposed in the Soviet bloc 50 years ago.
Actually despite your woefully premature comments about the Police shooting in Lanarkshire in which you show yourself to be guided purley by prejudice, I actually agree with the gist of your comments here.
I would also add that this politicisation of the Police began in Scotland with the politically orchestrated media witch hunt of former Grampian Chief Constable Ian Oliver.
Whilst not without his faults , Oliver was hated because he was the fiercset defender of the Tripartite arrangement between Chief Constables, Local Councils and Government.
Nu Labours plans for greater control of the Police flew directly in the face of this traditional arrangement,
Anon @ 11.27
Hmm. My only prejudice is that as a “traditional” Englishman I am deeply suspicious of armed police and even more suspicious of elite armed police. As I understand it that suspicion is shared by many “traditional” police officers who do not like the trend to turn the police service into one large SWAT team and the traditional role of constable to be largely undertaken by that other invention of New Labour the PCSO.
I don’t like the way in which the office of constable has been undermined and the police service transformed by an unhealthy alliance between New Labour and the unelected and unaccountable political lobbying group ACPO which has marginalised parliamentary debate about how the police should function in society. ACPO regularly exceeds its brief and I believe the strength of integrity in the police service was in part imbued by the fractured nature of its senior management structure. It was essentially a community force predicated on the needs of its local community which has been gradually nationalised to service socialist/communist political aims. Far from strengthening the independent role of the Chief Constable ACPO has weakened it and allowed the socialist/communist concept of enforcement & control policing to get its foot in the door. Much of this change has alienated the police from the public, whether they care to admit it or not. Participating in cosy “community” quangos pursuing political ideology is no yardstick for whether police are effective on the ground and amongst the community. The plot has been well and truly lost.
I believe strongly in the independence of both the office of constable and the office of Chief Constable. The comments about Ian Oliver are interesting and I shall follow that up.
Premature? Probably. Mea Culpa.
ENGLISH LIBERATION FRONT?
IS THERE ONE?
OH PLEASE AND WHERE CAN I JOIN?
MP’s expenses? What about the £17,000 Dianne Abbot gets for appearing late at night ,on Andrew Neill’s show.In fact,all politicians receiving “our” BBC money,as expenses,should be subject to the “Telegraph” treatment.Any moles in the accounts dept of “our” BBC.
I think we should stand behind our Members and support them against this outrageous slagging from the Press.
They have given up highly paid and rewarding jobs to enter Parliament. We should encourage them to return to the safety of their previous employment.
We should send the vacant MP spots to be filled at local job centres. It would save us the embarrassment of having to vote them in.
We are living a breakdown in the Rule of Law in England and 3 men are to blame TONY BLAIR,PETER MANDELSON and gordon brown.
We should dissolve Parliament and put these “men” on trial for treason ,execute them and start again as if 1997-today never happened,take all their property and banish their family members.
Yes, but it would make you feel unclean, touching stuff that they had handled.
Burn the lot.
Brown is comfortable amongst children as they have soft brains, easy to indoctrinate and control their actions
if Brown came to my workplace he would leave with testicular damages, a good glancing blow to the epididymis is more painful than a direct plumb hit
“I must have lived a very sheltered life as I was totally unaware that there was such as thing as a t.v. that cost nearly 9K. What does it look like? What does it do?”
Pop down to Soho and there are plenty ot TVs who will do anything you want for far less than 9K.
Mind you, most of ‘em look like Lilly Savage and when your hand wanders south you’re likely to find some meat and two veg…
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Nuthin’s ur’ fult ye und’stn
A dismal feature of moat-gate is that the MSM is beginning to sound like posts on Guido Fawkes:
Andrew Rawnsley:
“The Commons needs to be given colonic irrigation. While they are at it, an enema should also be stuck up the Lords.”
Brown’s premiership is turning just as disastrously as I predicted in my book “Boom and Bust” written before he became PM. Contact me on nigel_bowker_917@hotmail.com for a free electronic copy.
OK Nigel, I give in. I’ll be in touch.
David Maclean in the frame.
Troughing, corrupt bastard that martin appointed to oversee the review of expenses when he was already known to be dirty.
Break out the nooses.
EXCLUSIVE.
Brown to appear on The Jug Ears Show for relaunch no.378.
“Tough on expenses, tough on the causes of expenses. Go on Marr ye little shite, I dare ye tae ask me an unscrepted question, the noo”
Wouldn’t it be great if McDoom was told at the last minute that Marr had got swine flu, and that John Humphries was his replacement?
No. 94.
Well, the reality is that Marr was told at the last minute that Brown has swine flu, and that Charlie Faulkener is his replacement.
Is the once “Great Leader” no longer leading then ?
“Andrew – I am immediately referring myself and my government to the hard-pressed British People – it is the RIGHT thing to do and I am working TIRELESSLY for them in contrast to the do-nothing Leader of the Opposition.I expect the committee of Downing Street Tea Ladies that I have already appointed to look into the matter to report early next week although they have already rationed the number of biscuits served at Cabinet Meetings and I support THAT decision !”
NOTW now doing comments
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/310369/Names-claims-and-excuseslist-of-scandal-MPs-that-you-should-sack-at-next-election.html
Get over there and vent.
I would have been more impressed if you had called it,’ Broon and Bust.’
I could not help but think that it was a bit mistake to have Lord Lyodd Webber write the United Kingdom Eurovision entry
I am not sure what the purpose of the lyrics were about, but I believe that Prime Minister Gordon Brown will sind them in a morning when eating his manse special netritional breckfats
It is time the old men and resinced some power, can’t they see they are not doing a good job, forget the expences scandle, Gordon Brown has broken the econonmy as if a baboon had been given an action man tank to play with, these things are brittle
I’ve been down
Down so long
But those days are gone now
I’ve got the will
I’ve earned the right
To show you it’s my time tonight
(Chorus)
It’s my time, it’s my time
My moment, I’m not gonna let go of it
My time, it’s my time
And I’ll stand proud
There’s nothing I’m afraid of
I’ll show you what I’m made of
Show you that it’s my time now
I’ll break through
I’ve made my move
And my faith is strong now
I’ve got the heart
To reach the heights
To show you it’s my time tonight
…to show you, you politicians, that your’re a load of shite…
chorus again
what a shite song and we came fifth you say ? How bad were the rest ???
Why didn’t Kaufman pop into Tescos and buy a £199 TV?
Why didn’t Hogg go down to the local gypo camp and tell them them they could have all the scrap metal thrown in his moat?
Why didn’t David Davis tell his missus “No you can’t have a fucking new Portico”?
Why didn’t Jacqui Smith download her porn for free off the internet?
Why didn’t Fraser Kemp buy his bed linen from the pound shop, and his mucky DVDs from a car boot sale?
Why don’t Labour Ps know when they have paid their mortgages off?
Why doesn’t the Speaker just fuck off and take Brown with him?
Why can’t Nadine Dorries string one logical sentence together?
If any of them could comply with the above – why would they be MPs ? It’s what they came into politics for !
Awl reet shesa scouser.
Exactly – there’s more free porn on the internet than there are MP’s expenses claims – what a bunch of TOSSERS- can’t even find anything for FREE!!!!
Mind you – having to look at her horendous face and body would make me download Songs of Praise 1959 editions…..
Mariella Frostymuff, Brown’s representative on Middle Earth now on the Marr Show. Should be fun.
MPs are always claiming to be pillars in the community?
Unemployed construction workers have just offered to make their dreams come true!
Current thinking is to use MPs in supporting the new runway at Heathrow!
Readymix conshite
Who is this weird git on Marr? nick something…….geddit?
Ok I will get my coat.
Clegg on bigears on the EU what a total load of sh*t coming out of a LibDum gob,no way would I vote for that lot LibDum=Liebour sheez.
Euro elections coming up.
Clegg is 100% give our so0vereignty to Europe.
Brown reneges on the European referendum
So Cameron has a wide open goal to stick up for Britain. But does he heck!!!
It is now quite clear t6hat all 3 major parties want us to become just another state of Europe.
UKIP it is then.
Nicely put.
They destroyed our Civil liberties in the name of “protecting” us against a so called terrorist threat.
They destroyed our standing in the Diplomatic World by following the USA into an illegal war. (where’s the enquiry?)
They caused a good man who dared to critisise them to die.
They destroyed the lives of many young men by ill equiping then for the tasks they needed to complete.
They cut adrift and disenfranchised a swarthe of young white children with their misguided social service polices.
They dumbed down the youth of this country with their enlightened education policy.
They reclassified drugs to promote further drug use.
They suck our money with numerous stealth taxes whilst feeding us the line that our tax burden is reducing.
They bankcrupted the country with their profligate pipe dreams.
They destroyed industry with their myopic fascination with the finance sector.
They encouraged greed & fraud with lack of regulation
They turned the NHS into a trough for consultants
They bloated the public sector with jobsworths
They allowed local councils to act as our masters rather than our servants.
They have created a welfare state that rewards failure rather than encourage success.
And now as a finale to their scorched earth policy of destroying this country the British way of life, our freedom and most of that which we hold dear….
They have destroyed Parliment.
New Liars = Traitors of the United Kingdom.
Hang ‘em high and never forget.
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“They destroyed the lives of many young men by ill equiping then for the tasks they needed to complete.”
On this point the Army have wanted their Landrovers replaced with something better since the first Gulf War.
In short 14 years after Stone Cold Kate Austen’s, Sayid’s, Jack, and Hurley’s rturn to the island and 16 years before tonight’s exciting dénouement.
And to cap it all they have censored the name of the Dambusters dog mascott N igger”. Why should we be ashamed of these Brave young men who gave their lives for our freedom?
“We want people in politics who are more like good priests – poor and honest.”
What we really need in politics today is a ruling elite akin to Plato’s ‘Philosopher Kings’, as appose to the troughers and money grabbers who make up the majority of MP’s at the moment. Guido: why don’t you run? I’d vote for you!
Postal votes will save MPs from public scrutiny!
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POSTAL VOTES SAVE SHOE LEATHER
KNOT VOTING SAVES TIME AND ENERGY
KNOT VOTING IS KARBON FRIENDLY
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MY NAME IS BERTIE BEAN,
I COME FROM EAST CHEAM,
AND MY WYFFE IS A BIT OF A HAG,
OLD BEAN IS WOT I CALL HER,
BERTIES* OLD BEAN BAG
I HAVE LEFT HER NAO
FOR AN OLD BRAOUWN KHAO
AND WE TWO LIVE IN SIN
WHEN WE GO TO BED,
I COVER HER HEAD,
WITH AN OLD CORRUGATED
ALLEYMINIMUM
BIN
CROMWELLS* SUCCESSION
MUST COME TO END,
SAYS MRS. BERTIE BEAN
BRAOUWN KING Corpus Brown
MUST
DELIVER
TO
THE
QUEEN
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BERTIE FOUND
A JUMPING BEAN,
DAOUWN ON BRIGHTON BEATCH,
AND IT WAS KNOT LONG,
BEFORE SHE WAS,
WELL WITHIN,
BERTIES* REATCH
SHE SAID SHE WAS FROM MEXICO
AND FEELING RATHER HOT,
AND UNDERNEATH
HER SOMBRERO,
THAT JUMPING BEAN
HAD THE LOT
BUT BERTIE HAD TO GO,
FOR IT WAS POLLING DAY,
DGJENETTICALLYTalli MODIFIED NON~SLIP BANANA SKINS,
ALL THE PLEADING
BLEEDING
BLOODY
WAY
Let’s be clear, many of these ‘honourable’ (sic) members are actually common criminals or petty fraudsters. It is essential that they are charged, sent for trial and sentenced along with the rest of their criminal brethren. NEnough of the laughable explanations of ‘accounting errors’ and pressure of work etc, etc.
ALREDDY
The comparison with an Army officer is a good one. Servicemen and women are prepared to lay down their lives for their country. MPs are not even prepared to lay down their lunch.
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CREDIT LUNCH
CREDIT BUNCH
CREDIT MUNCH
CREDIT CRUNCH
KREDDIT KRUNTCH
KREDDIT KRUNTCH
KREDDIT KRUNTCH
KREDDIT KRUNTCH
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CREDIT LUNCH
CREDIT BUNCH
CREDIT MUNCH
CREDIT CRUNTCH
” Pop down to Soho and there are plenty ot TVs who will do anything you want for far less than 9K. ”
Thanks for the tip Ratsniffer but being of the female persuasion, I don’t think that would be quite my ‘scene’ somehow.
WOT*S ON THE DINNER MENU,
IT*S FINGERS OF FISH,
SOUNDS LIKE A SMELLIE WELLIE,
DELI KIND OF FISHY DISH
YES WE HAVE NO BANANAS
YES WE HAVE NO POLLYTITIAN PIE,
WETHER~PIGS HAVE WINGS OR KNOT
AND WEATHER PIGS CAN FLY
Is McBride still on the Government payroll ? If he is now we know why
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THEY GET PAID WITH PRIVATE EQUITY CREDIT NOTE DGJENTILEMENS* BONDS
THEY ARE KNOT IN PARLIAMENT FOR PAY PAQUETTES THEY ARE IN PARLIAMENT FOR PERSONAL GAIN
THERE IS NUFFING TO FINKLESTEIN ABOWT ON YOUR WAY TO THE POLLING STATION UDDER DAN SUMTHING LIKE THIS
PROMISES
PROMISES
ALL IS UNDONE
THE PARTY POOPERS* PARLIAMENT
THE BROWN PARLIAMENT WON
So where is the dirt on Balls and his nasty wife?
Rumour has it that the Telegraph’s editor has put the block on Brogan spilling the beans. Perhaps someone in there will work out that dirt on Balls & Cooper is worth money that another paper would be happy to pay for to get in the act.
If these two arch freeloaders get away with it, there ain’t no justice, even at the natural level…
‘ang on a mo’ Yvette is not that “nasty”, at least not before and during! Mind you she looks a bugger afterwards and smells bloody awful, but I’ve ‘ad a few as bad in my time.
Oh Johnny – you are awful! I hope that you don’t think that I’m “nasty” afterwards like Yvette
Did I say that I do not want to be Prime Minister?
The Mail ran a story this morning, and I think yesterday, about Adolf and Eva allegedly fiddling their mortgate payments. About ten minutes ago it was gone…………..
1,395th…
We know that this filthy couple now essentially believe that the taxpayer must be responsible for ALL of their expenses, from Ilse’s tampons through to Adolf’s brilliantine, plus £600 per month for the family’s food bill. They are a classic example of New Labour and we should hold them up as an example as such for posterity … i.e. vain, arrogant, insensitive to the electorate who voted them into power and totally corrupt.
I only hope that the taxpayer will agree to pay for the lampost and pianowire by which we string this repulsive couple up. Unfortunately it might well fall to Harringey social services to look after their no doubt repellant offspring.
IN THE BIBLE IT SAYS WHU COMES LAST COMES FURST
I never said that!
guidos weakness
Hah Hah! Yvette and ‘arriet keep saying that they wish that I’d “come last” for a change!
I agree with you Guido. How about bankers? Are they worth 100 times as much as a soldier on the front line in Helmand?
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THEY DO KNOT HAVE TO BE
THEY ARE ONLY UP AGAINST $10 A DAY TALLYSOLLYTOLLYBAN
ACCORDINGLALING TO DA VID MILLYBRAND
THAT SUKKER GNEADS SUPERSIZING
Select members of parliament by lottery from the pool of people eligible for Jury service… serve a 4 year term, but have a lottery every year to select 25% of the members. I want people in parliament who have to be dragged in kicking and screaming but reward them well for the trouble. I don’t want people who actually want to be an MP, that should automatically disqualify them.
Otherwise, if we do have to have “elected” MPs, then link their pay directly to the state pension and only allow them reasonable expenses directly necessary to perform their duties…
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YU ORT TO PASS THAT MOTION THOUGH PARLIAMENT
YU NEED A PARLIAMENTARY SPONSOR
A DGJEWISH LAWYER
AND A HAT FULL OF WANNABEES
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YU ARE IN WITH A CHANCE
A CHANCE IS A RISK
THE BANQK OF ENGLAND ADVISES RIGOROUS WRISQK AVERSION THERAPY
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By The Way
SPOILED BALLOT PAPERS ARE DISCOUNTED BY PARLIAMENT
AND The Hard Party PIQKS THEM UP FOR NUFFING
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DID YOU SEE THE SPEAKER CONSULTING ONE OF THE THREE DGJEWISH LAWYERS SITTING IN FRONT OF THE SPEAKERS* THRONE TODAY
THEY ARE KNOT SUE GRABBIT AND RUNNE
SO WHU ARE THEY
WOT FIRM PAYS THEM
AND WHU ELECTED THEM TO SIT THERE TELLING THE SPEAKER WOT AND WOT KNOT TO SAY
Y DID THE SPEAKER KNOT HAVE HIS SKRYPT TYPED OWT IN TIMES GNU ROMAN 72pt BLAQK BOLD KAPS
WOT DID THE DGJEWISH SOLICITOR SAY TO THE SPEAKER
AND IS IT IN HANSARD