May 11th, 2009

All Sorry Now

Dave said sorry last night, Alan Duncan said earlier this morning “every MP must apologise for what has arisen over time”.  Gordon has just jumped on the apology bandwagon:

“I want to apologise on behalf of politicians, on behalf of all parties for what has happened in the events of these last few days. I want to assure you…we must have the highest standards for our profession.”

Politics is not a profession Gordon, it is a racket, and this has been going on for decades not days.  Guido won’t believe they are sorry until they pay back the money they have embezzled.  Then they will be really sorry…


220 Comments

  1. 1
    Anonymous says:

    This is exactly what’s wrong. Politics should not be thought as a profession but as a vocation.

    • 26
      The Admiral says:

      EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 36
      The Admiral says:

      EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • 40
        The Admiral says:

        Morning Guido. Having a hectic day are we?? :)

      • 122
        Scorched Earth says:

        If you really want to see “sorry” then whomever has access to the pre-2003 Expenses records (the REAL sleaze) should do the honourable thing and Leak them.

        Few appreciate that the current troughing is as NOTHING compared to what went on pre-2003. Indeed one MP has called the current greed filled spectacle “small Beer” compared to what went on before they “tightened” the rules on Expenses.

        That’s right. This Expenses Sleaze overload is the stuff AFTER MP’s thought they had reformed the system to make it tougher. Unbef*ckinglievable stuff.

        The pre-2003 Expenses would make the Telegraph scoop look like the misdemeanors of a Parish Church Raffle accounts.

    • 76
      Praguetory says:

      “Gordon wants to apologise on behalf of all parties…” F*** you Gordon. Apologise on behalf of your party and your government. This has happened on YOUR watch and YOUR MPs have shown the most contemptible attitude to the taxpayer.

      • 94
        Georgeous George says:

        I would like to point out that no member of the Monster Raving Looney Party had abused parliamenatry allowances.

      • 100
        Tricky Dicky says:

        From Nick Robinson’s blog (hat tip to Bluematter):

        “Brown says sorry for all parties in Parliament.

        This guy is a complete goon. IT IS NOT HIS JOB TO MAKE APOLOGIES FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN THE LABOUR PARTY.

        And ‘sorry’ is just not good enough. I want heads on a platter. I want these yellow streaked minnows who call themselves politicians to put themselves up for re-election. I want the police involved.

        They have defrauded the taxpayer. Sorry just isn’t good enough.”

      • 203
        Great Granddad says:

        Dear Gordon, on behalf of all participants on this blog, I apologise for all of the nasty things that have been said by them, about you, over the last few days. I also apologise on their behalf for the deplorable language that has appeared here. (I also apologise to any bloggers on this site who may think that I lack the authority to express their sentiments).

        In passing my own judgement on you and your behavior, I prefer to use the language of my own Granddad who was careful not to offend my Gran, who hailed from Falmouth where they were not familiar with long words, in those long gone days. In his words but my sentiments, “you are a copulating pudenda”.

    • 93
      Former Labour supporter says piss off Broown & pals says:

      Precisely We have far to many ‘professional’ politicians who know nothing else – Time was when many MP’s from all sides of the House had either been in business or worked in a proper full time job whereas most of the current bunch certainly those in government have never had to work in the real world & as a result have little understanding of it

      As stated people shouldn’t see entering politics as being a profession but as an honourable vocation

    • 165

      this goes with woolblouse getting confused between an expense and an allowance: http://ua.am/7XF7

      They don’t know why they are there and so can’t see what they are doing wrong.

      I notice browne didn’t actually say ‘Sorry’ tho, even trying to make it sound as if he’s nothing to do with it.

    • 199
      Yet another pissed off former member of the labour party says:

      Excellent point. Time was when nearly all MPs saw themselves as trying to improve things for the public, at least according to their own lights. These nulab scum think the public are there to have things done to them by ‘professional’ (ha ha ha) politicians. Tory sins have not been forgotten but they are as nothing compared to the behaviour of these nulab traitors.

    • 212
      Osama the Nazarene says:

      Not only should they re-pay all that they have “defrauded” they should also take a 10% salary cut while the credit crunch is still raging. Just like the Irish MPs who are setting a prime example to their electors.

  2. 2
    Anonymous says:

    AAaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhgggggggggggggg. Who the fuck does he think he is? I apologise for all parties?! Resign you thieving prick. Then apolgise to the judge when they finish going over your expenses.

    • 27
      Susie says:

      Here’s an idea…

      If they want expenses, why don’t they contribute 10% of their salaries into an expenses pot (unlike our pensions this won’t be taxed). This fund can then be invested by the Chancellor and whatever they end up with shared out between them on a means test basis.

      No takers? I thought not. It’s their own money!

      • 66
        "Gordon in God's name Go" says:

        and “investment” in McRuin speech means “spend”!

      • 98
        Susie says:

        Preeecisely. See how long his party put up with him when there’s no cash left for their fake Tudor beams.

      • 104
        Former Labour supporter says piss off Broown & pals says:

        They had the fucking gall to complain about the Queen not paying tax & when they did what did the Queen do? unlike this lot of parasites even though it wasn’r against the rules for Her to not pay SHE agreed She would

        The UK a Republic no chance at least OUR head of state is beyond reproach. Can you imagine what it would be like if, Gawd help us all, Broown was President

  3. 3
    Confused Employer says:

    events of the last few days?

    what are you on about, getting found out?

    • 174
      Anonymous says:

      Gordon clearly believes that the only crime is getting caught

    • 201
      Great Granddad says:

      It’s not what has been nicked in the last few days that we are upset about. It was what has been nicked over some decades.

  4. 4
    Anonymous says:

    Same old Tories…

    • 47
      Alibarbs says:

      Compare to what your precious labour have taken, this is small potatoes. However that said, Cameron should sack any of his MPs who have claimed for things they shouldn’t have. If he doesn’t, he’s going to be losing a hell of a lot of votes.

      I would say that Brown should do the same, but we all know there’s absolutely no chance of that happening as his little sty of piggies will be taking as much as they can before many of them lose their seats.

      Amazes me that hoons like you have the cheek to come out with comments like that though in the light of the amounts of money and dodgy practices that the Labour party have indulged in.

      • 113
        Former Labour supporter says piss off Broown & pals says:

        Present Labour supporters at least those I’ve spoken to are utterly appalled by what’s happened & are already checking the press to see if their MP has been caught & have stated that if so they’ll be voting for someone else

        Looks like if Labour have any hope of winning the next election then they had better deselecting many of their sitting MP & replacing them with new candidates who are unsullied by present events & who’s histories have been throughly checked

      • 159
        Robc says:

        I hope Brown is re-imbursing his then girlfriend’s part of the cleaning bill and when the fxxx are we going to see a pair of felt collars called Balls?

    • 209
      Four-eyed English Genius says:

      I detect either irony or idiocy in this remark!

      • 213
        Osama the Nazarene says:

        Its idiocy, the delusional variety. There’s still 23% of voters in this country willing to cast a vote for these corrupt, self-seaking individuals who use the problems of hard working families to fill their own boots.

  5. 5
    CryBaby says:

    Can he actually get anything right? I agree they will be really sorry when they pay it back. Apology is a start – now lets see some action – not just reform!

    • 171

      This is one thing he has got right, not morally right though. He was not aplogising for the abuse, he was apologising for GETTING CAUGHT. This is why he concerned himself about the “last few days”.

  6. 6
    T .England says:

    Guido won’t believe they are sorry until they pay back the money they have embezzled.

    Too right, every last penny, just like they would demand from us if we did the same.
    I suppose a prison sentence here & there wouldn’t go a miss to :o)

  7. 7
    Send the speaker to the tower says:

    Gordon is looking more angry and tired as every day goes by.

  8. 8
    Marian says:

    Is it not the case that most of these expenses MP’s have been getting are taxable?

    If that is the case then the Inland Revenue should be on the case immediately clawing back the tax gains that have been made.

    Perhaps they need a nudge from scores of taxpayers complaining?

    • 37
      Johnny says says:

      If the claims were within the rules (and many of those publicised would appear to not be) then the expenses are tax free. Reimbursements for ACA expenses are specifically excluded from an MP’s tax return.

      Just because the Fees Office paid out doesn’t mean the claims were legitimate. That’d be a great excuse for benefit fraudsters. ‘They paid me so it is not fraud’ wouldn’t stand up in The Court Of Public Opinion let alone a real one.

    • 92
    • 125
      Dr Feelgood says:

      The MPs voted to exempt themselves from taxation on expenses that normal working people would have to pay…

      The Income Tax (Earnings and Pensions) Act 2003, gave MPs a special exemption from tax liabilities relating to their allowances.

      Section 292 of the Act states that no income tax liability arises from allowances paid to MPs for “additional expenses necessarily incurred by the Member in staying overnight away from the Member’s only or main residence, for the purpose of performing parliamentary duties.” – from DT

      • 154
        Feduptothebackteeth says:

        Which is fair enough. Staying overnight in a hotel is part and parcel of anyone in business who trvels.

        What is completly out of order is the use of public funds to build a property portfolio.

      • 172
        Johnny says says:

        Feduptothebackteeth,

        The ACA reimbursements are specifically exempted from income tax. Other benefits are not.

        The categories on the current Tax Return are:
        Travel, travel warrants and vouchers
        Accommodation, excluding Additional Cost of Living Allowance
        Incidental Expenses Provision – non-capital items
        Incidental Expenses Provision – capital items
        Temporary Secretarial Allowance
        Financial Assistance Fund and other cash reimbursements
        All other benefits
        Balancing charges

        Any benefits under those categories would get taxed at 40%.

      • 192
        Johnny says says:

        My apologies. Those are the categories on last year’s tax return.

      • 196
        pp says:

        Cost incurred “Wholly, Necessarily and Exclusively” in their role of being an MP.

        If expenses aren’t in that category then 1) they shouldn’t have been claimed and 2) if they were then they are taxible.

  9. 9
    Anonymous says:

    I notice that Brown seems incapable of using the word “sorry” It reminds me of Kryten in Red Dwarf trying to say smeg-head!
    Still typical Brown – spot a passing band wagon and jump aboard.

  10. 10
    Anon says:

    As per usual, Gordon can’t even get the apology right. In the events of the last few days? More like what has been disclosed or highlighted over the last few days that has actually been going on for years and all complicit.
    Even the apology is politically motivated and aimed at saving skin.
    And it’s not enough.

  11. 11
    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    A Court of Public Opinion must be convened at once.

    We will examine all MPs expenses, identify the 10 worst troughers – be they Labour or Conservative or Lib Dem, & then put these 10 in the stocks at Traitors Gate for a week.

    At the end of the week the worst example of miscreant expense swilling politician will be decapitated, drawn & quartered & the entrails sent to the far corners of our land as an example to any one else who believes they have the right to to enter public life steal taxpayers money.

    Politicians are thieves.

    Politicains are fraudsters.

  12. 12
    RavingMad says:

    I don’t accept any of their apologies. Nothing has happened to make me consider they might be showing some remorse or contrition. These people, but especially Brown, still think we are mad and that they can treat us a s gullible fools. They are WRONG.

    This latest creation of Stuart Bell’s is nothing more than a sop to the voters. It does nothing to root out the corruption. These people should all be charged with gross misconduct in public office and lose their jobs as a result. Fiddling about is not the answer.

    The only solution is the dissolution of Parliament now.

    • 43
      mitch says:

      And this new body will conveniently be exempt from FOI requests. They think.

    • 57
      Unsworth says:

      And note that Stuart Bell was/is a) the Chair of the committee responsible for oversight of the Fees Office, and b) still fighting hard to avoid full publication of these ‘expenses’ – despite the Court ruling.

      I wouldn’t trust the amazingly portly Stuart Bell further than I could throw him. He’s a slippery devious Hoon.

      • 79
        Go all of you says:

        ….and his son was involved in unsavoury purloining of cheques from an MPs office according to the BBC.

        That’s really what is wrong with all this ducking and diving.

        Once standards slip at the top it becomes an unstoppable flood at the bottom

      • 85
        Anonymous says:

        cant they subtitle him when he;s on the news?

  13. 12
    eeyore says:

    Ever since the “mighty terrible parliament” in the 17th century took on Government and won, a central problem for HMG has been keeping the Commons tame and supine. The usual method down the centuries has been bribery. It used to be sinecures, now it’s bog seats. From HMG’s point of view, £100m or so of other people’s money spent on keeping the Commons quiet must seem perfectly good value. Until we get parliamentary votes by secret ballot, MPs will be bribable and HMG will bribe.

    • 137
      scHOONer sKIPPER says:

      Now THAT is one of the more sensible suggestions I have heard in a while. It sure would remove the whip system, and, I would hope, male MPs more accountable to their electorate.

      How would we know that they followed our wishes, though?
      The idea needs a little refining.

      • 173
        Anonymous says:

        You could make all voting records public when parliament is dissolved, just in time for the next election.

        However, there’s definitely something healthy about the 100% public method of voting we have with the division lobbies. Much opportunity for embarrassing the government would be denied the backbencher if his vote were not known for years. Physical voting by walking into one door or the other is also completely unfakable by electronic jiggery-pokery.

      • 175
        eeyore says:

        Thank you for you kind comments. There’s no need for them to follow our wishes. That’s not how the system works. Look, our job as electors is to pick governors, not do the governing. You don’t employ a plumber and lecture him on what to do with your pipes. It’s all perfectly simple and just like getting a gundog: Pick your dog or MP wisely, don’t overfeed him, let him get on with the job, pat his furry little head when he does well but horsewhip him if he chases sheep.

  14. 14
    Hanging Chad says:

    There was a ton of soft-soap stuff from our Dave in which he blamed “the system”. Either he can’t or won’t make the distinction between a shaky system and controls, and the naked greed of his pals in ruthlessly exploiting it. The concept of honour and restraint is entirely lacking, presumably because they have no idea of it.
    We’re going to start a MOLES AGAINST GUMMER movement in Suffolk to make life hot for the apostate mole-catching, jackdaw-nesting, gardening, self-regarding, smug prat!

    • 34
      Straws in the wind says:

      Mine’s a mole-burger.

    • 111
      Giovanni Drogo says:

      Removing jackdaw’s nests?
      Good old Alan Clark, who used to keep the occasional tame jackdaw, would be spinning in his grave at this bollocks…

      • 210
        Hanging Chad says:

        At least jackdaws are known for only stealing shiny things, like diamond rings, and baubles like the badges of “honour” etc. in the Lords.
        They leave the kitchen sinks, gardening, houses, flat, dog food, greenery, plants, tampons and the rest for this greedy bunch of larcenists.

        On a corvine note, this shower ought to spend more time in the Tower getting acquainted with the ravens – before a trip to the block.

  15. 15
    Voice of reason says:

    Dave missing a trick!!!!

    Dave should ask all tory mp to justify claims to him, if not pay it back.

    Show leadership!!!!

    How can gordon review 600 mp’s expenses.

    Dave to weak on this – sounding like Gordon… need differentiation.

    Also Dave needs to highlight the dithering, gordon thinks about sacking havel last week and does not, now we find weird tax avoidance from a labour cabinet minister……… how many nurses could you employ with Hazels tax avoidance…

    Is this a fit person to be in gordons cabinet….. yes it appears….

    Gordons moral compass is upside down and he has not spotted it yet!

    We have big opinion poll in three weeks

    Dont vote Labour!

    • 151
      Anonymous says:

      Dave doesn’t do leadership. Dave does soundbites – Prove me wrong Dave. I know you wont but I’m desperate for some politicains worth voting in. If you don’t get your party in order and that means criminal investigations for some then you wont have my vote. I’m certainly not alone in that thinking.

      • 164
        Gendeau says:

        No, you’re not alone.

        Where’s the substance Dave, where’s the action, where are the policies?

        Even Bliar _said_ he was going to do stuff

      • 200
        Lorrie says:

        Indeed you are not- Please DC! Please show us you’re made of something more… robust.

  16. 16
    Margy says:

    Brown’s only apologising because the tories are doing it.
    Not one labour MP has apologised over the last week – infact they have done the opposite and tried to say they have done nothing wrong.

    • 38
      arthur says:

      If i go out and rob a post office will saying i’m sorry be the end of it.
      thieving bastards.

    • 58
      Stronghold Barricades says:

      Just need Clegg to apologise now then

      Legally doesn’t an apology accept guilt?

  17. 17
    ExPat John says:

    Time that all these snout in trough “politicians” were voted out and were tried in court. And vote in a real Government who’ll actually DO something!
    Bring back: National Service (doesn’t have to be armed), hanging, canes and discipline, cull chavs and undeserving doleites, remove at least 50% of the unwanted non-jobs in civil service and local government and quangos, bring back TrafPol and remove plastic PCSOs and traffic wardens.

  18. 18
    Jonathan Cook says:

    “There’s just no stopping. Once you start popping”

    Gordon seems to be discovering that apologies are like Pringles crisps……

    Come on Gordon, there are a whole load of other things you need to fess up to and apologise for!!!!

  19. 19
    Johnny says says:

    This is the same ‘apology for what has been found out’ not ‘apology for what I have done’ we had over the McBride emails.

    Surely, if anyone is to apologise on behalf of MPs it should be Trougher in Chief Michael Martin. He is the speaker of the House. It is his House. They are His MPs.

  20. 20
    HandsomeDavid says:

    “we must have the highest standards for our profession.”

    I think you have already reached the highest standard that you can attain – and you are managing to maintain this standard.

    Mr Brown – you are in my opinion the lowest quality leader this country has ever had. The sooner you are gone the better for all.

    • 64
      Ruth Kelly's plaything says:

      Dead right, HD.

      Gordon really does not seem to understand that if he and his gang have pursued extremely low standards for over a decade, nobody will accept that they have suddenly become pure. They just don’t know how.

      The Telegraph and their mole have perfomed a major public service in releasing this info before the swine removed most of the detail that allows us to see what is really going on. We would just have assumed that Blears’s second home was the same one throughout, for example.

      The Commons authorities’ response? Call for Plod. Pathetic.

      Gorbals Mick ought instead to have declared a national emergency, put Parliament into continuous session and ensured the passage of resolutions binding on all (himself included) to pay back all capital gains and all profits; then to thrash out a system that would give them a salary, proven travel exps and fixed overnight allowances, vouched for – just as all of us in proper jobs have to. It would take three days – job done.

      He would never have done this, given that (a) he has his own snout in the trough, (b) the biggest fiddlers are his Commie pals and (c) he was trying to stop publication at all, then after a court ruling to publish only the most anodyne summaries.

      Lord Naseby (formerly Michael Morris MP – Con – Northampton South and Deputy Speaker) had it right at the weekend when he demanded that Gordon dissolve Parliament immediately.

      No chance of that, either, while these ‘Ministers’ can carry on pulling down £135k plus golden parachute plus pension for another year.

      • 138
        Dr Feelgood says:

        See this yesterday?

        Speaker: “I have been a trade unionist all my life. I did not come into politics not to take what is owed to me.”
        http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6256703.ece

      • 156
        Deadly Boffin says:

        Of course,if the Prime Minister admits there has been wrongdoing,he should be awarding the leaker with something……seat in the Lords?

        and of course the police investigation is unnecessary and not in the public interest.

      • 217
        Bentbooks, Best & Goodfaith LLC says:

        But at least referring it to plod will keep the matter alive.

        Err, hang on; that’s not quite what they want?

    • 87
      Minekiller says:

      Or as they used to say in the Army…”Sets high standards for himself and consistently fails to achieve them”

      • 167
        Gendeau says:

        Almost, “sets low standards for himself…”

        But I like the way you think!

    • 133
      Dr Feelgood says:

      To be fair, I think he might be marginally better than King John and Edward II… just.

      • 157
        Divine RETRIBUTION says:

        Mick is the worst of the lot. Spineless, useless, stupid, vermin.

      • 160
        PowderPuffAdder says:

        Well, at least Edward II got the Nifofia where the sun don’t shine; perhaps we could give Gord the modern-day version, the Nifokia on a slay-as-you-go contract!

  21. 21
    Anon says:

    By the way. Gordon’s sis-in-law came to his defence on the cleaning contract in the Guardian, claiming he was a busy singleton that needed domestic help in London. Gordon married Sarah in 2000 and the DT’s claims reviewed covered 2004/05 to 2007/08 didn’t they?

  22. 22
    bentkopper says:

    He apologises for saying sorry the twat.

  23. 23
    Anonymous says:

    They should send him and that fat Hunt gorbels mick, who goes around masquarading as the speaker of our great Parliament, straight to strangeways and don’t let them out till they’ve paid back every fuckin penny they nicked off us; and don’t forget the fuckin interst too! May you rot in hell you total lying bastards.

    Have I been too soft?

  24. 24
    weybridgeman says:

    Gordo is only sorry…..for getting found out.

  25. 25

    “decades”? Millennia. The cursus honorum was mis-named – it shoudl have been the cursus furtum.

  26. 28

    This fiddling by MPs is as nothing when compared to the graft that my colleagues and I engage in.

  27. 29
    Straws in the wind says:

    Straws breaking the camel’s back.

  28. 30
    Anonymous says:

    From the back of a lorry,
    Fat Gordon says “sorry!” but means it? Most definitely Not!
    Losing more of his clout,
    After being found out,
    But his hands are still in the pot.

  29. 31
    Reds Under The Bed says:

    Whoever is now running the Downing Street hate machine – sorry press department – has clearly announced to the fawning journos of the MSM that Hazel Blears is toast. It’s in all the papers this morning.

    Meanwhile, it has been reported that the chipmunk herself believes that “she is the one” to take over the reins of the Labour Party after Brown’s defenestration – which now seems certain to take place after the expected bloodbath of the coming Euro and local elections.

    If you’re reading this, my little ginger poppet, can I suggest a campaign slogan for your campaign?

    ‘Hazel Blears – pouting for Britain.’

    • 50
      Anonymous says:

      Ginger popett? Ginger minger, surely.

    • 54
      bentkopper says:

      I thought she looked rather sexy in her bikers leathers until she took her helmet off. I wonder how much per mile she was claiming to flee away from the paparazzi on the back of her hubbie’s bike.

      • 134
        Susie says:

        OMG I feel a Diana moment coming on.

        Don’t go near any French tunnels Haze.

    • 163
      Salford Tram Shed says:

      Whenever I see that hideous smirk across her chops, I think of The Slurry with the Cringe on top !

  30. 32
    Ian E says:

    Professional footballers who bring the game into disrepute typically face a punitive fine. Surely the current MP mess is much worse, so at the very least offenders should have to repay the money with interest PLUS a VERY big punitive fine (and expulsion from the Commons!!).

    And how can Liam Fox with a straight face worry that big reforms might lead to a situation where only the wealthy can go into politics?? Even the MP’s basic salary is several times the average UK wage: is Fox really saying that 95% of jobs in the UK can only be done by the wealthy?? I, for one, would gladly do an MP’s job for the average UK wage – and feel greatly privileged to be allowed to do so!!!

  31. 35
    Anonymous says:

    So if someone is nicked by the plod for thieving, will a sorry get him off without charge and free to keep his stolen goods?

    I think NOT.

    • 120
      vory v zakone says:

      In Ireland a recidivist shoplifter left goods back to the stores that she was charged with shoplifting and did not get prosecuted.

  32. 39
    Anonymous says:

    As far as I am concerened, I have been robbed by these MPs. I want to see them banged to rights and the money coonfiscated and returned to me.

  33. 41
    Geo says:

    take the top 50% troughers, make them resign their seats and have an immediate by election in those seats. Court of public opinion would soon sort out the troughing political scum from the … errrr… political scum

  34. 42
    Unsworth says:

    Why does this arsehole think that politics is a ‘profession’? What professional qualifications are required?

    It’s obviously a lucrative way of life, but it’s sod-all to do with a ‘profession’.

    If he can’t even understand that WTF is he where he is? And as to apologising on behalf of all politicians, well, let’s not be so presumptuous, eh? Speak for yourself, Brown. That’d be a very good start, and let others make such apologies as they see fit. Ultimately the electorate will decide whether these ‘apologies’ are adequate.

  35. 44
    JMT says:

    What angers me the most is the effort expended in tax evasion.

    If the troughing swine expended as much effort doing their job properly there would be fewer taxes to have to evade.

  36. 45
    The Fatsnacker says:

    can we all please ask that when the Telepgraph is finished publishing the data, that it sends a copy of the information to wikileaks please.

    • 88
      bentkopper says:

      Is that it from the Telegraph, not much for £300,000 and next week it will all be forgotten and the pigs will be back at the trough.

      • 127
        UB41 says:

        Oh, I think there is more to come!

        Balls/Cooper? Surely some muck on the snouts there.

        Purnell? Not only snout in the trough but lives in a pig sty

        Jackboot? Maybe in the domain, but sure to be a few more oddities in there!

        They are so f***ing thick this lot – they have no idea of the public mood.

        Woolas – The fact that 5 receipts add up to the penny to what he was reimbursed and he says it proves nothing?

        His defence….

        “What a great guy I am, I could have claimed even more, but chose just to claim for this stuff I’m not entitled to claim for”

        It’s like Ken Dodd using the fact that he paid a tax bill once as his defence.

        At least Dodd paid it back….

      • 177
        Anonymous says:

        There will be nowt bad on Balls, who do you think sold it anyway?

  37. 46

    And while they were burying their snouts in the trough recidivist yobbery increased by 60% (and those are just the official instances)

    Broad daylight early evening, Saturday, my beautiful coastal town:

    - A gang of youths drunk on a crate of Stella on the beach stripping off, throwing rocks near cars and people – foul language, intimidating conduct. Families with small children and old relatives sitting down trying to enjoy the sun and pretending that this was not happening.

    - A walk to the chip shop with my young boys. Accosted by two drunken middle aged men emerging from a pub totally out of their faces. I brush them off with a ‘Yeah – what-eva.’

    - A little further up drunken fancy dress party goers (6pm ???) One chap dressed in open bath robe and speedos with swimming cap (not a pretty sight) Loud and brash with his arms round a couple of pensioners out for a strole and his girlfriend (dressed as a hooker) photographing on her mobile. I can tell the OAPs don’t really want it. The chap’s not violent so I use discretion rather than intervene. I see him leaving the OAPs who are looking quite offended by it all though pretending to be enjoying the ‘joke’.

    - Later I’m driving my family through the town (7.30 pm) again broad daylight. A football match taking place in the middle of the road. Again – youths drunk and out of their heads on whatever. As I creep through it all the football is kicked hard at my car door and a contorted face appears at my side window “F*** off you c**** !” Wife, her elegant friend and kids on board, for heaven’s sake.

    I’m stunned. I drive through and we make it to the event. The friend states that she’s seen this sort of thing going on regularly now.

    I notice that grafitti and beer cans have started to appear everywhere. Telephone boxes are regularly smashed up and angry looking young men saunter around in groups.

    It’s as though a new generation of thugs has emerged and it scares the hell out of me.

    For those of you with a strong enough constitution watch the film Lake Eden. This sort of thing is going on in Britain now.

    THIS is what has taken over whilst people were focussed on credit bling and expenses.

    It needs sorting out. Sharpish.

  38. 49
    Anonymous says:

    He’s apologising for something that happened over the last few days.
    Does anyone know what that is? Is it worse than the expenses?

  39. 55
    Anonymous says:

    They have known about these fiddles for years and done absolutely nothing to put a stop to it.

    So if they are sorry will they now publish the entire expenses and allow the police to investigate matters of deliberate fraud and tax evasion ?

    Yeah I thought so.

    • 84
      Adrian Prole says:

      I am waiting for a journo to interview Elizabeth Filkin. I’m sure she must have much of interest to say on this fiddling of expenses. After all, she was sacked for trying to put a stop to it.

  40. 60
    Tricky Dicky says:

    I see Brown has just come out and “apologised” – this is not good enough. If he was sorry, why didn’t he sack Jacqui Smith a couple of months ago? If he was sorry, why didn’t he sack McNulty a month ago? If he was sorry, why did he not say the abuse of expenses was intolerable a couple of weeks ago? Brown is intolerable – he is only apologising now to save his political skin!

    • 71
      bentkopper says:

      It’s all to do with the swingometer. The one who apologoses the most wins the next election. I aplogise for not saying sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, another 4 votes in the bag. Sorry 5 votes.

  41. 61
    Newbie says:

    Alan Duncan said earlier this morning “every MP must apologise for what has arisen over time”.

    Not >everyevery< MP Alan; just the ones troughing it.

    • 74
      Desperate Dan says:

      He could have started with himself. Nothing he’s said so far could be construed as saying Sorry.

    • 178
      Anonymous says:

      Even the ones that were not claiming still permitted it to happen by not speaking out.

  42. 62
    Get with the program says:

    We haven’t even got to the off-shore accounts yet.

  43. 63
    It's all Balls says:

    We just need Clegg to ‘blame the system’ and we’ve got a 3 card trick of muppets.

    Politics is supposed to be a public service vocation, not a job which prime motive is to get rich.

    Anyone see how many Millions Blair is worth now? I’m glad we all contributed a little to help smooth his path in life.

  44. 65
    LocalLad says:

    Apparently there a rumor that they’re thinking of calling an election.

    http://doverwatch.blogspot.com/

    • 99
      CynicalBastard says:

      No way. Brown will never give up willingly. He’ll wait until the very last minute with his nose firmly jammed in the trough alongside his stymates.

      • 179
        Anonymous says:

        I am not even convinced Brown will call an election at all, we may have to send to bobbys in to claw him out of there.

  45. 67

    If Dave gets his troughing MPs to apologise, pay back the money and sacks those that have broken the law NOW, he will have the initiative.

    Saying sorry won’t cut it.

    “Oh sorry, I didn’t pay my taxes (your salary) this year… never mind, it’s the tax system that is wrong”

    Hoonioes…

  46. 70
    Desperate Dan says:

    The expenses claims are just the tip of the iceberg of the gigantic sums these robber barons have misappropriated to make themselves comfortable. Jack Straw spent £130million tarting up his office including £3million on furniture and £300,000 on art.
    By the time Lord Irvine spent £59,000 for his wallpaper in 1998 they’d already lavished nearly £400million on themselves.
    I hope somebody trustworthy is keeping a close eye on our national art collection and valuables. The Tories need to appoint a Minister for Counting the Spoons for after the GE when Labour have been cast into the outer darkness.

    • 146
      Susie says:

      £1.2 billion on tarting up the MOD offices… while their servicemen were dying without body armour and service families at home were living in damp and dilapidated quarters.

    • 211
      Four-eyed English Genius says:

      Who is to say that Labour won’t nick all the spoons when they get chucked out!

  47. 72
    Cameron whitewashed says:

    The Telegraph gave Cameron the whitewash treatment with some selective mentioning of his current position (406th in the table)

    And not mentioning that in 3 out of the 4 years before he became party leader he was in joint first or second place.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5305130/David-Cameron-limits-claims-to-mortgage-and-utilities-MPs-expenses.html

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/david_cameron/witney

    Shame they couldn’t just expose them all without having their own party agenda for once.

  48. 75
    Locutus of Borg says:

    How about putting the thieving ‘swine’ in the same situation that I have been unfortunate enough to fall into….

    I had to give up my reasonably well paid job, in order to care for my severely disabled wife despite trying to do both for many months. I could not afford to hire a carer.

    They tell me that the law states that we can live on £149.95 per week, I have to buy all out of that, fortunately we are not profligate spenders, and my modest mortgage is almost paid.

    Why can’t these profligate hoons in Parliament live on this amount too, after all they have a very good ‘wage’ to live on in addition to this……

  49. 77
    Taxfodder says:

    So there is to be a new rule book.

    Good!

    so all that falls outside the new rules retrospective last 5 years must be paid back.

    Now we will see who is sorry, what posturing scum MP’s are!

    • 83
      Locutus of Borg says:

      They made Vehicle Excise Duty retrospective, so I don’t see why they can’t with this….

  50. 78
    J Bowen says:

    It is 1984 by George Orwell. While the pigs take over and get fatter, the rest of us look in through the window in disbelief. These people purport to make our laws, tell us how to run our lives, pry into many aspects of our private lives and pretend that they live blameless lives. They have spent too much time feathering their own nests, using our tax money, and insufficient time on their paid day jobs. Labour must go, and go now. It has failed us utterly under salesman Blair who mistook presentation for proper and honest government and allowed Brown free reign to wreck our once strong economy. About Brown, there are no words to express the dishonesty of his years as Chancellor, when he repeatedly told us how well he was running the economy, (he put an end to boom and bust – can he still believe that?), he repeatedly imposed stealth taxes, he presented budgets that were dishonest because he hid or delayed tax increases in the hope that taxpayers would not notice them. He wrecked our formerly well funded pensions, commenting that the stock market was high so pensions could afford the hit. He sold a third of our gold after first announcing that he intended to do so ,which resulted in its falling to the lowest price ever – no market trader would have been so stupid as to announce his intention in this way. He claimed, dishonestly of course, that the Bank of England advised him to sell. They rejected this claim and said that he asked HOW to go about the sale not WHETHER to sell. Who do you believe, the Bank or Brown? Just more spin from Labour. Let us be honest, spin is just another word for lies.
    They have been in office for too long and must leave as a matter of urgency. I would go so far as to say that we have a national emergency caused by Labour. They are sleepwalking, not knowing what to do or how to do it. The Speaker, Martin is biased and has had his nose in the expenses. He has not protected Parliament as he is supposed to do. He allowed the Police to search a member’s office and computer on an improper warrant and should have refused them entry. How would he have acted if the police wanted to search a Labour member’s office and computer? You know the answer to that one. He allowed Parliament to fall into such disrepute because he is disreputable. He has failed us. He must go and make way for someone of integrity. Imagine if he had succeeded in preventing details of the expense claims to be disclosed with the receipts. MP’s would have walked away scot-free. He tried to delay publication until after the forthcoming elections, but now that we know the truth, he is all for publication this month. A dishonest hypocrite. Get him out.
    Finally, well done the Daily Telegraph!

  51. 80
    bentkopper says:

    The Thames is overflowing, not global warming nor the tears of sorrow from our contrite MP’s.

    It’s Tears for Fear and Every Body Wants To Rule The World. Watch your back Gordo, you’ve got two Balls right up your backside.

  52. 86
    Member of the up to now, silent majority says:

    Cameron should now lead by example. If he shows some balls then he can grind these sleaze ridden NewLiar control freaks into the dust.

    1. State that whilst troughing may have been in the rules it was not in the spirit of the rules and those in the Conservative party which in his opinion exceeded what was correct will either be sacked from any shadow position they hold or in the case of back benchers put up for reselection in their local constituancy.
    2.Members of the party will be asked (fucking told) to look carefully at their expense claims and re-imburse any claims that they now feel were outside the spirit of the rules.
    3.Any financial fraud (e.g.non payment of CGT on flipped homes) found will result on the member in question being asked (fucking told) to resign immediately
    All future expense claims will be published online at conservative.com this will be extended to MEP’s and local councillors over the coming 12 months.

    Put the matter to bed ASAP with decisive action then get back to Politics and saving the country from any further damage NewLiars can inflict with some joined up policies on Europe, the economy, immigration, the NHS, education, transport infrastucture, the benefits system, the Police, local government and undoing this culture of control micro mangement.

    Time to stop this self-flagellation with some real leadership, let New Liars sink in their shitstorm of sleaze, distance yourself from it and push for a GE ASAP with a clean start and clear conscience.

    No-one in their right mind will vote Labour again but the groundswell is that all major parties are corrupt and in league together in this shameful charade of thievery. No matter how good the policies are you will all be tarred with this brush unless someone does “the right thing”, and fast.

    We’re watching and fucking waiting.

  53. 91
    wolvreen says:

    Guido you are right to say they must pay it back (plus interest), with an independent overseer to make sure it really is paid back from their incomes (not some loan from a rich investor)
    Pay docked?
    If this happens it will really hurt the troughers.

    I have heard no debate about them paying it back probably because it will hurt so much.

  54. 95
    Canary Wharf Rat says:

    who, not which (in his opinion) Otherwise, right on with the sentiment.

  55. 101
    Anonymous says:

    Last Wednesday, they weren’t SORRY

    Today they ARE sorry.

    What’s changed?

    They have been caught, that’s what changed.

    They are sorry they have been caught.

    If they were really sorry they would give the money back.

  56. 102
    Pissed off voter says:

    Well, well. Gordon has apologised for ‘what has happened’.

    Nothing ‘happened’, Gordon. It’s not the unfortunate consequence of an act of God, earthquake, tsunami or whatever. The majority of your cabinet have contrived and conspired to defraud the taxpayer. It’s probably the only thing they have done efficiently during their entire time in office. They are a gang of thieves and you are leader of the gang.

    Get heads on blocks pronto else resign, call an election or jump off tower bridge.

  57. 106
    Pelagius says:

    So it’s all politicians now, is it? Get real. This is the British parliament only. “British sleaze for British MPs”. So much for the integrity of the much-vaunted Parliamentary Sovereignty. Turns out to be another licence to print money. It’s the UK that’s broken.

  58. 107
    Steve says:

    Cameron will I think give his ministers a chance to explain themselves today, and anyone who doesn’t have a good reason is going to be in the shit.

    Punishments to be something like…

    Second Division hoons (dog food, light bulbs) – stand up in a press conference, admit to being an apologetic hoon and pay the money back straight away.

    First Division hoons (gardeners, excessive decorating/improvements, stamp duty), you’re big hoons and can spend the rest of this parliament on the back benches, can come back to the front bench once you have a mandate from the people you represent. And pay the money back of course.

    Premier League hoons, or anyone who’s been on the fraud (’flipping’ more than once or anything which is clearlyfor personal gain) should lose the whip and be asked to stand aside for a by-election. And pay the Money back. And be prepared to talk to auditors or the police when they call.

    It is of note that the DT admit they have nothing on Cameron or Hague, and could only go for Osborne for having a driver as one of his staff (cf. Broon and Darling, and the Balls’ still to come)

    Dave, the ball is now in your court. Do the right thing and the country will look upon you as a leader with integrity, duck the issue and you are no worse than the ‘Right HOONourable Members’ on the Government benches with their snouts so far in the taxpayers’ trough..

  59. 108
    Anonymous says:

    Does he actually apologise? I thought he only wants to apologise. Much like I want him and his mob to resign before lunchtime.

  60. 124
    Hazzel Blearch says:

    Hello my lovlies.

    I wonder if I might take a moment of your precious time to ask you all if you would be willing to pop a few £20 notes in an envelope and send them of to me as soon as possible (more if you can afford it, of course).

    Due to a failure in communication it seems I have run into a little issue with HMRC and they are going to be asking me for a small payment, and I find my self a little short at present.

    Thanks, as always.

    • 130
      It's all Balls says:

      They’re not looking at my expenses as closely as they are yours at the moment, so I could possibly help you out by buying some receipts off you at 50 pence in the pound.

      Is it a deal?

      • 143
        Jack Straw says:

        Actually Ed, I think Hazel needs to buy the receipts off of you.

        But accountancy is not my strongest suit.

  61. 132
    Former Labour supporter says piss off Broown & pals says:

    Apparently some like Duncan think that by apologizing for others re “all MP’s should say they are sorry” will make appear to the dozy electorate as if they are apoligizing for themselves when they are not

    Nice try Mr Duncan but some of us ain’t as dumb as we look mate

    • 140
      It's all Balls says:

      Cameron needs to reshuffle – too many jokers in his pack; chief of whom is that slimeball Duncan. But he does still have a few picture cards and trumps left.

      First to the reshuffle, demoting the arch offenders, wins the argument.

      Unfortunately for Brown, I think he needs a completely new pack.

      • 150
        unspeakable says:

        reshuffle !

        Fire them, make them pay it all back and clean up the entire parliamentary contingent otherwise the Cons are as bad as the Liars and they are unspeakable.

      • 152
        Desperate Dan says:

        Dave’s got a foolproof excuse here for a Night of the Long Knives – Goodbye Duncan. Goodbye Letwin. Goodbye Maude. And I hope The Telegraph isn’t going to spare Rifkind and we can also say Goodbye Rifkind.

      • 195
        Feduptothebackteeth says:

        #146

        That is EXACTLY what c’unt McBroon wants. Where do you hide a tree of unjustified claims? In a forest and if he can make the forest seem bigger that is job done.

  62. 136
    Former Labour supporter says piss off Broown & pals says:

    Heard the latest apparently Broowns going to make Balls Chancellor. He’s screwed up the schools now he gets to screw up the whole country even more

    • 144
      Scorched Earth says:

      So Mandy and chums think Blears will go quietly make room for a reshuffle and be the scapegoat for the entire cabinet ? (certainly she’s behaved appallingly but she was hardly alone after all) I don’t think she will be quite as charitable toward that idea and might perhaps decide to send a few more “words of wisdom” towards Brown should she get the boot. She may even decide to be a stalking horse later.
      Who knows ?

      Course it could be that Jacqui Smith’s time is finally up and it is she who will make room for the reshuffle but whatever happens there are going to be some p*ssed off ex-Ministers lying in wait for Gordon if he decides to “clear the decks”.

      Should be fun.

      • 147
        Scallywag says:

        Balls and his horrible wife’s expenses claims are being saved up by the Telegraph for a slack news Sunday.

      • 183
        Anonymous says:

        They are stuck with Jacqui, no one else is dumb enough to ruin their “professional” career by taking the Home Secretary job and being responsible for Browns dumb vote losing policies.

  63. 145
    Scallywag says:

    The only things any of them are sorry about are…
    That they have been caught red-handed stealing taxpayers money.
    That hiding behind their own rules isn’t cutting the mustard in the court of public opinion.
    That HMRC are not bound by the Green Book.
    That the local party selection machines will take these revelations into account when considering who to field to represent them.
    That the nulab lot haven’t quite stolen enough to keep them in the style to which they have become accustomed after the next general election.

    Apart from that they don’t really give a damn…

  64. 149
    Pienomics says:

    With apologies to Sir Elton

    What have I got to do to make you trust me
    What have I got to do to make you care
    What do I do when the lights go out
    And I wake to find ‘Sparks’ not there

    What do I do to make you vote for me
    What have I got to do to be heard
    What do I say when the troughing is over
    And sorry seems to be the hardest word
    It’s the rules, there just so bad
    It’s a sad, bad situation
    And it’s getting worse and more absurd
    Dave, Nick why can’t we talk it over?
    It seems to me
    That sorry seems to be the hardest word

    What do I do to make you love me
    Lippy, blusher,liner
    That’s absurd
    What do I do when the cleaner leaves me
    What rules do I have to change
    What rules do I have to change
    When sorry seems to be the hardest word

    • 153
      Desperate Dan says:

      Are you the Poet Laureate in disguise?

      • 166
        Pienomics says:

        Wish I was. Just a modestly deranged 50′s something who likes to vent his disgust at the incompetence and corruption throughout UK and European politics. We should now be turning our ire on the EU and its scandalous rip off of taxpayers.

  65. 158
    Neil Craig says:

    Politics should not be a profession. A professional is somebody who does it to make a living & usually with rules about how you should all stand together against everybody else.

    What we need is amateurs in politics. he derivation of “amateur” is somebody who does it for love not money – somebody who makes or has made his living elsewhere.

    Instead we have a political class who have never made a living except as politicians, researchers, party functionaries & journalists. When Chris uhne was standing for the LudDims leadership he was regularly criticised for not habing been here long enough, having made his pile elsewhere when folk like Simon Hughes had been nothing but Parlimentarians.

    • 205
      Everybody else is to blame but me says:

      “What we need is amateurs in politics. he derivation of “amateur” is somebody who does it for love not money – somebody who makes or has made his living elsewhere.”

      Hold on……MP’s get slated for having “outside interests” while at the same time we want them to be whiter than white?

      What we actually need are people who not only enter politics for the right reasons, but who also are knowledgable and competant.

      Take the Dutch Government for an example:

      http://www.government.nl/Government

      Thats right! Economic experts (Balkenede makes Brown look like a fool when it comes to economic issues and economic theory), people who have run multi-national companies, scientists that have done high level research on cancer or agricultural technology, people who have experience in running domestic and international youth groups,people with experience in defence procurement and issues or have high levels of education and experience relating to their own departments.

      Many have had international education and experience from the UK,United States and accross the world.All represent both left and right wing viewpoints, and are not craven to what some policy wonk from Whitehall says is the “idea of the week”.

      Furthermore most people that I know who are involved in Dutch politics are well educated and experienced in life, coming from all different backgrounds. This probably says more about how much the Dutch value education and democracy than we seem to do.

      Which possibly explains why the Netherlands isn’t in a mounting of debt, has a slower rate of unemployment and why I GOT TO VOTE NEE IN THE REFERENDUM!

      Then look at this shower of shit:

      http://www.labour.org.uk/cabinet

      Yeap-former posties, policy wonks, NUS/trade union ranters, “lawyers”, and daddy pets.

      Enough said!

  66. 162
    Scorched Earth says:

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, “Platitudes and empty words will butter no Parsnips.”

    Action is the only thing that might lessen the voters fury and there is still no sign of that from anyone.

  67. 168
    "For the restless, not the true believers, this one's for you.." says:

    Not just the mp’s who are troughing it up…………….

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-holocaust-survivor-whose-savings-were-seized-by-the-police-1682657.html

  68. 170
    wolvreen says:

    When Cameron wilfully misses the point and blames the ‘system’ for MP expenses, it proves he is no better than Brown.
    The system was left relaxed because MP’s are honourable people – they can police themselves. Yeah right.
    I think MP’s should now lose the title ‘Honourable’ as in the right honourable porker.

  69. 180
    wolvreen says:

    Guido can we use this blog to come up with a short list of positive items that needs to be changed in our broken parliament? You can then add to it and stamp your name on it and try and push it back to the media.
    That way we have done something positive.

    My 2 items:

    1. Job quotas for MP’s, most MP’s are either Lawyers (bottom feeders) or Career politicians (Brown, nuff said), people like Vince Cable who actually did a job show more integrity and foresight. So I say we should have no more than 10% lawyers and no more than 10% career politicians. Go back to the old days of farmers, engineers and businessmen as MPs.

    2. Politicians love playing games, selling us snake oil to fix problems – coming up with new ‘gamey’ laws that are useless. The last lot of useless laws still waiting to be implemented; causing massive headaches to the civil service and the police etc. Blair created over 3000 laws, most of them rubbish no doubt. Our law books must be a complete mess. New ‘gamey’ laws are expensive they cost tax payers money and reduce debating time for the proper laws (Gurkhas?). Laws should be proved to work. When a new law is pushed by an MP it should have a mini review 12 months later to determine if it is working, if it turns out to be a gamey law (ie no one prosecuted, just for posturing) then it should be immediately repealed and the nominating MP fined/pay docked for wasting time.

    3. MP’s have proven themselves untrustworthy to police themselves; even if they didnt partake in the fraud most didn’t try and stop it. Dont blame the ‘system’, the ‘system’ was lax because these are honourable people able to police themselves. These are not honourable people. MP’s should now lose the title ‘Honourable’ which could be reviewed in 5 years to see if they have earned it back.

    • 197
      Everybody else is to blame but me says:

      Hmmmm……

      “Go back to the old days of farmers, engineers and businessmen as MPs.”

      Was Winston Churchill a engineer? Oliver Cromwell was hardly a paragon of democratic principles when he was in power, yet he was a farmer, and what about all those “rotten borough’s” from the old days?

      You will never get rid of sleaze any more than you will cure a cold.What is needed is the voter (you and me) to take an active interest in current affairs beyond what the BBC and ITN dishes up each night and hold them to account.

      “Politicians love playing games, selling us snake oil to fix problems”

      No, to implement anything takes time, effort and money.The problem with the current shower of shit is that they tinker all the time so actually nothing gets done,add a media that works to their own agenda plus the incompetance that is to be found throughout all walks of life then you get some idea why nothing seems to change.

      Governance and politics is not something you can pop in the microwave for 5 minutes, it is a gradual change of culture, economics and ideology that takes years to see its effects.

      “debating time for the proper laws (Gurkhas?)”

      Because a media darling has humbled one of Broon’s goons, it is hardly the most pressing topic to my mind. Yes, the Gurkhas should stay, but I notice very little discourse on what is going on in nuclear armed Pakistan, or the effects of global organized crime on the economy.

      “These are not honourable people. MP’s should now lose the title ‘Honourable’ which could be reviewed in 5 years to see if they have earned it back.”

      Its easier than that-just vote them out instead?

      • 204
        wolvreen says:

        Vote them out and replace them with what?
        Is there a backup set of MP’s not yet corrupted I havent heard about?
        The party system isnt going to help us here, its the political class thats rotten.

    • 206
      Everybody else is to blame but me says:

      “The party system isnt going to help us here, its the political class thats rotten.”

      Pray tell, who is the “political class”?

      If you mean the SWP, the Green’s or the BNP (to name three examples) then I am sorry to disappoint you but they are as venal as Lairbour,Tory’s or Fib Dum’s,because they to are part of the “political class”- although they play the anti-politics card very well.

      And what do you suggest replacing the system with? Some woeful anarch-syndicate a la the Squatters in A’dam or Barcalona?

      Or is it a one party state you are after? Do you think the DDR is a good working model for how we should be “democratic”?

      Again sorry to burst your bubble,but you will just replace our flawed democracy with something even more distasteful,and woe to you if you don’t agree, because it’s rubber truncheons on the bottom of your feet and a very long truck drive to some forest to be “removed”.

      Have you ever tried to argue with an anarchist who is always right? Imagine them in power?

  70. 182
    wolvreen says:

    oops 3 items.

  71. 186
    Davey C says:

    Downing Str petition available calling for a General Election now. Would be good if it got more signatures than the Brown one

  72. 187
    Himself says:

    They are sorry only that the cold light of day has at last been shone on their unsavoury fiddles, not that they screwed the system in the first place.
    The words “crocodile” and “tears” come to mind.

  73. 188
    Anonymous says:

    Last few days? It was the last 12 years I had in mind.

  74. 190
    Gordon-a-go-go says:

    Just go you bastard.

  75. 191
    Harvey Tuckett says:

    Whilst I despise the current Government, I am not that fussed with the Conservative alternative.
    Apart from a few on the Shadow bench (can’t be arsed to list them) the rest can fuck off.
    That especially includes you Andrew Lansley!!!
    Glad to hear that William Hague appears to be clean in this affair.
    Always liked young Billy Boy, even when he tells porkies i.e., the 14 pints a day shit.

  76. 193
    Everybody else is to blame but me says:

    This new found “moral probity” in the nation, makes me somewhat queasy. I’m not here to defend to piggy’s in Westminster, but what the Telegraph has been printing is to my mind a symptom of a deeper malaise in this country.

    Let’s be honest we all know who they are , the people who “stretch the rules”, be they the unemployed guy, the builder, the teacher, the policeman, the banker, the barrister, the journalist, the car sales person, the local Government official et al, who make sure that the rules work for them. So it’s a bit rich all of us being “outraged” when we know this is part and parcel of everyday life. But how many of us actively take a stand?

    How many of us have paided, or received “cash in hand” jobs so the VAT man does not know, or got away with a “stiff talking to” when caught with pot, drunk and disorderly, or caught speeding doing 45 in the 30 zone? How many people even think about the consequences to other people when doing that line of coke, own that empty second home in Dorset or Spain, or download illegal music or film? How many of us can honestly say that we don’t “bend” the rules or get people to do us “favours” to maximise personal advantage ?

    “Moral probity” applies to everybody, not just the elite. However the lack of personal ethics, the “blame others” culture, the NIMBY attitude, the “I’m alright Jack” outlook on life has accelerated in the last 10 years, no doubt the by product of socialism and the lack of personal ownership of our lives. We have become a country which thinks it’s OK for other people to suffer at the hands of dictators who run their countries like death camps, simply because we don’t like the party in power in this country, who blame the City and Whitehall because we (including myself) kept our snouts in the trough and thought that credit would never end, and now we are”angry” because the wonks in Westminster have been feathering their nest knowing we can’t even be bothered to vote, let alone hold them to account.

    As for “kicking them out”, what is the alternative? I’m sure the people of Germany in 1933, or Russia in 1917 thought by getting rid of their “snouts in the trough” things would improve-they didn’t. Would the abolition of political parties improve things? I doubt it, you just create more “little apparatchiks” where nobody makes a decisions or even worse, a system where the “strongman” rules the roost.

    No, I think it’s time for those of you who believe they can do a better job to stand up and be counted and show us the paragon of virtue.

  77. 198
    crompton says:

    There must be some footage somewhere of that occasion when Alan Duncan accosted the then Chairman of the Committee on Standards In Public Life, Lord Nolan. It was on the TV, I remember.

  78. 207
    Very very VERY peed off voter says:

    Can anyone more computer savvy than me start a no 10 petition demanding that their expenses remain open to public scrutiny & NOT omitted from the FoI Act by being audited by a private company. – Having said that it occurs to me that in a recent HoC case involving a private care home where it was decided the home could not be held liable under the said act their Lordships went to considerable lengths to state that had the home had statutory duties rather than common law ones then it WOULD have been subject to the FoI

    • 208
      Very very VERY peed off voter says:

      I should have wrote HoL meaning House of Lords rather then HoC

  79. 214
    Winston Churchill says:

    All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honour, duty, mercy, hope.

    Never in the field of human politics was so much owed by so few to so many.

  80. 215
    Seth the pig farmer says:

    So he apologises on behalf of all politicians – who is he to speak for all politicians? At most, he can apologise on behalf of his own party but given the lack of respect he is held in even that is doubtful.

    This is just spin to try and spread the shit around.

    He isn’t sorry at all, he is just “on message”.

  81. 216
    MJC says:

    I don’t want to hear a bloody ‘sorry’; I want a date when these lying, thieving, cheating bastards are going to pay back ALL the money they have swindled out us. I don’t give a toss if its in ‘the rules’, that’s no bloody excuse; just a cop out. They all need to hung, drawn and quartered; and their heads stuck on pikes.

  82. 218
    porkbuster says:

    I WANT A PORK BUSTER BADGE FOR MY CAR !!!! I PAY FOR IT! We all should have one to bust the porks !!

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