“It is All Within the Rules”
Who made the rules? MPs. Who benefits? MPs. Who decides how much they are paid? MPs. Who judges rule breakers? MPs. It is a fundamental legal principle, that you should not be a judge in your own case (“nemo debet esse iudex in propria causa”). MPs are always judging other MPs caught red handed, that is why despite huge amounts of money being embezzled, not a single MP has gone to jail.
Guido has been shouting about the Green Book Rule changes which came into force on April Fools Day – and politicians really do take us for fools. To stop all the rule breaking by MPs they came up with a clever solution. Scrap the rules! MPs have become millionaires from property portfolios financed out of taxpayer’s money, they have incredibly generous pension packages worth £30,000 a year. Even by public sector standards this is generous. They just keep on troughing for decades and then collect their gold-plated index-linked pension schemes on their way out.
Somebody MUST go to jail, surely. Uddin seems to have acted with fraudulent intent, she cannot claim to be within the rules.
Perhaps someone can set up a court and jury in their absence (well, they can be invited to their own trial) and decides on behalf of the people who should be in jail…. do it proper, like. Then given the fundemental legal principal above, apply to the EU to have the judgement made legal and the MPs jailed.
If we have to be in the EU, let’s use it against those that made us!
JacKui Smith is most certainly guilty of fraud.
She lied to her local council telling them that her Redditch home was her main residence.
As far as parliament is concerned, her main residence is a bedroom in her sister’s flat.
Which is the correct story? Perhaps JacKui could inform us?
Isn’t lying for financial gain a fraudulent act?
I invite you to examine the Fraud Act 2006 and tick the boxes:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/pdf/ukpga_20060035_en.pdf
There are four elements to MP expense allowances as set out in the Green Book:
1. additional costs allowance (ACA);
2. incidental expenses provision;
3. staffing allowance; and
4. travel expenses.
Of these, only ACA appears to be expressly exempt from tax under section 292 ITEPA 2003.
Section 292 says that any “overnight expense allowance” paid to an MP in accordance with a resolution of the house is exempt. “Overnight expense allowance” is then defined as being an allowance expressed to be in respect of expenses necessarily incurred in staying overnight away from the member’s main residence for the purpose of performing parliamentary duties.
“Main residence” does not have its general capital gains tax meaning. According to the Green Book, it is the property where the MP spends most nights.
The Green Book also states that MPs should satisfy themselves* that any expenditure they claim has been incurred wholly exclusively and necessarily for the performance of parliamentary duties. If that is the test, then ACA does not need to be specifically exempted: it is already so under general principles.
* The Home Secretary may delegate the duty of self-satisfaction to his or her spouse (s292(6B)).
Margy @ #40…
It’s called ‘obtaining pecuniary advantage by deception’ and yes, it’s a criminal offence which can incur a custodial sentence of up to 5 years…
Resolve the ambiguity about which is the main residence for each of our troughing MP’s. Make it one of Her Majesty’s prisons.
Oh, yes! Like the Court of Public Opinon? Great!
Who is the MP who claimed 2 tins of dog food at 29p per tin and the MP who claimed a packet of maltesers courtesy of the tax-payer ? We demand to know ?
You should be grateful he/she didn’t claim for the dog(oh sorry they did)
It’s a pity these troughing hoons aren’t as tight with our money as they seem to be with their own.
Must put a whole new meaning and respectability on ‘dogging’
Look at what Baroness Troffin, sorry Uddin did. Stunning hypocrisy. She must be held to account.
Jail the pig Uddin!
Get your drawers on Uddin. You’re fucking nicked.
Get back to yer own turf Hunt.
Shouldn’t you be out beating up some Hippies?
Greedy and a thief. Yet again our ‘leaders’ do us proud. Why do we put up with it?
Disgraceful!
Bring back hanging
Crucifixion has a place to.
Crucifixion has a place too.
I was for years travelling all over the world keeping people in jobs.
I claimed and received in expenses only what I spend doing the job, hotels, flights, travel, food.
I received a salary which was taxed which had to pay the mortgage feed the kids do all the things that a normal person has to do from their TAXED earnings. Gordon Brown even invented a tax for anyone who had the use of a company car.
Can some one explain to me want different job a Politicain, MP, Cabinet Minister does that justifies a huge salary AND all the additional allowances
Why isn’t the tax man crawlling all over all the expense claims now coming to light?
MP’s have to eat as do the rest of us. So why have some of them claimed food as part of their expenses? Eating is not an expense incurred as part of their job and all such expense claims must be repaid, with interest, calculated at the rates applicable to the period the Exchequer has been out of funds as a result of these expenses. If Piggy Uddin has claimed for food, even if it is hallal, she must also repay.
‘I was for years travelling all over the world keeping people in jobs.’
Prostitutes of the seven seas I assume.
123 – MrJacquiSmith
Obviously a Labout/Socialist cynic – probably living off the honest tax payer??
Brought-up on NuLabour politics where living off the working man or woman is a virtue not dishonest.
She dark skinned, she no no inglis furst langauge, she no can jail go.
Oh yes she can, and should. Without delay.
Its one rule for them, another for us.
The whole escapade is shameful, crooked and debasing. Simply because “it is within the rules” is simply not good enough when it is clearly immoral and sets such an appalling example.
In the 1930s the Nazis wanted to persecute Jews and other non-Aryan groups, but felt they needed a framework in law to operationalise it and give it a veneer of legality and …in their eyes – legitimacy. Step forward chief Nazi lawyer, Walter Stuckhart who drafted and brought forth the Nuremberg Laws to the Nazi dominated Reichstag, thus giving a ‘legal basis’ for the persecution of essentially whoever the Nazis wanted to destroy. So beating up a Jew, misappropriating property (stealing), banning people from parks and swimming pools and the like became fine, because you see “It was completely within the rules”.
Someone – and I despair if an opposition politician or MSM journo ever has the balls to do this – needs to point out that simply being “within the rules” just isn’t good enough, especially – and obviously – if you’ve made the rules up yourself. Further they need to use what I’d call “The Nuremberg Analogy” in order to draw attention to the seriousness and immorality of what has happened in this expenses horror story.
There are too many lawyers in parliament, worse they are poor lawyers and quite obviously dishonest with it. As I once was told, the problem with lawyers is that ninety nine out of a hundred lawyers give the other one a bad name.
Quite – if they were decent lawyers they wouldn’t be in Parliament!
Well said, something like what we’ve all been thinking I’m sure.
My own version, after a few beers, was yelling at the telly: “So f***ing what if it’s within the f***ing rules? The rules are f***ing shite!!!”
There aren’t any rules, none which mean anything. And if there were, these lying, venal bastards would break them anyway and just say “oh sorry” and get away with it.
Getting other people to pay your taxes! What a joke!
“Da Roolz” allow you to use reasonable force against an attacker, which may in some circumstances mean lethal force. Human decency would prevent most people from going out to deliberately cause such a fight that lethal force is required to end it.
Just because a rule is lax, it does not give someone the right to ride roughshod through it.
I think it was Kissinger who said that 95% of politicians give the others a bad name.
Minekiller? Hell! That was a heavy duty Depthcharge and no mistake!
Where the fuck is Harperson and her Court of Public Opinion NOW??
Honestly, becoming MP is like winning the lottery.
54,484 signatures.
WHO GOES? YOU DECIDE!
http://is.gd/xHD5
Surely Mandelson has been caught red-handed, again…
Claiming £££ AFTER resigning as an MP just so he could do up his house for sale!?
What a fucking Hunt! How can he justify that?? How can the money he claimed be necessary for him to carry out his job as an MP, if he’d just resigned as one!?
Because it’s the right thing to do.
Looking at Gordon and Susan Brown’s Receipt for Cleaning. The Money paid out to a Mr Andrew Brown, the PM’s brother. It does not specify the cleaning services and you would presume that an Invoice was supplied by Mr A. Brown unleassa he was an employee and would you believe a PAYE ref number is given. I’d like to examine that number and ask the revenue of tax was indeed paid on it. No wonder the son o’the manse wanted to get this all over an done with a la Youtube. If there is a conspiracy to defraud the taxpayer I’d give good money to see who in the CPS is brave enough to serve the papers 400 MPs in the dock. You could sell tickets for this, generate lots of money ..get Lloyd webber to set the excuses to music …pay off the national debt ….
Much as I admire your moral stance, do you honestly think any one of them will be even investigated by the police? Thought not. They’ll all say the memorable words ” I was within the rules.”
Why is HMRC not applying the same rules of ‘wholly, necessarily and exclusively’ to MP’s expenses, as it applies to everyone else? No one else could get away with this sort of nonsense, claiming tax on expenses, claiming costs of travelling to work etc. Oh yes, they report to to a minister, so they’ve been corrupted. Moral contagion seems to spread from these politicians. It’s worse than all the publiv health scares. Obviously, to protect the public, politicians should be put down like rabid dogs.
One useful by product of the these fiddles is that at least Jacqui Smith doesn’t have to put us all to the expense of having her husband arrested to get his DNA. It’s all over the carpet.
Everything is within the rules. They made the fucking rules up so it’s no suprise it’s always within the rules. Brown says the system’s broke. Wrong. We just have a bunch of hoons in parliament who cant keep their fingers out of the till
B*stards.
So this is what Neo Labour meant by “re-distribution of wealth”.
Taxpayers wealth into their pockets.
Troughing scum.
Pay it back. Every penny. Or else.
Or else what, you stupid bitch.
I find anyone stupid enough to call themselves a Labour supporter and I’ll beat the shit out of them. Simple enough for you?
Or else the true face of a failed, inept and corrupt party despised by the public.
The Labour party is revealed as a collection of criminal conspiracies by sub human vermin posing as a government.
that’s parteh you dumbell
I for one cannot WAIT to hear some poor halfwitted Minister try and tell the British Public or anyone else how they plan to “cut costs” with “efficiency savings” now.
Or how any section of Society must “tighten their belts”.
Or see them try and control public sector wage negotiations after this.
Any interviewer of even moderate intelligence will now look up the “vital statistics” of a Ministers Expenses and he has the easiest of putdowns should said Minister attempt to lecture on “value for money” or any other Fiscal decision on Spending you care to name.
Of course so can any member of the public, happily.
I predict some vastly amusing exchanges, “doorsteps” and vox pops by Joe Public if any Minister dares speak to anyone not audience approved by Mandy and his bullyboys.
If the government had been any good at its job, there would not be any scope to cut costs and improve efficiency. There should never have been any excess costs that could be cut and there never should have been any inefficiencies. The fact that there are such costs and efficiencies, spells out that Blair, Brown, Balls and all the other incompetents who presumed to know how to run a country, were incompetent. They will be out of office for a generation, while the Conservatives sort out the mess, which will take years.
I am now thinking hard about emigrating and removing from this country, the modest wealth that has taken me a lifetime to amass. Why should I pay tax to recover the deficits that Brown and his incompetents created? Why should I pay tax to finance the social security benefits of millions of immigrants, who have contributed nothing to this country, many of whom are hostile to the country and our way of life? It was reported today that a far higher proportion of muslims in the UK are unemployed and on benefits than in other European countries. My advice to any youngster starting out in life is “Leave the country. Let it sink back into the mire that we had in the 1970′s, but this time, there will be no North Sea oil bonanza to clear the debts created by Labour.
The lesson to be learned is that Labour is and always has been, incapable of running an economy. Never again should they be elected to office in this country.
If only you were right BfPM – but unfortunately the standard of political interviewing in this country is generally inept, usually because the interrogator can’t be arsed to research it properly beforehand. How many times have you got to the end of an interview on Toady (for instance) and ended up shouting at the radio “Why didn’t you ask him/her about……..”?
There are too few interviewers who, like Robin Day, regard it as their duty to go for the jugular, and we are all the poorer for it. All part of a cosy arrangement it seems to me. Why does the BBC forever broadcast ‘future news’? They are virtually reading out press releases telling us what Balls or McBust or some other pitiful minister will be doing today. Bloody arse-achingly awful, and an abdication of their duty to report what has happened – not what is about to happen.
Never mind the dreaded ‘guest editors’ that infest the wretched programme over the Christmas period – how about some guest interviewers? I’ve volunteered plenty of times!
257 if you don’t do it quick Gordon will have the lot off you. Inflation and a declining exchange rate will shortly make your modest wealth enough to buy an imported pack of biscuits
BTW – it can’t be very New Labour to threaten women can it?
Gorgeous George? Oh.. he never was a New Labour “man” was he.
The SUN: “Details include: Ex-DEPUTY PM John Prescott getting taxpayers to foot the £323 bill for repairing his toilet seat twice in two years. He also repeatedly claimed the maximum for food — £4,800-a-year.”
This greedy…..lazy…..motherfucker.
How in fuck’s name can this man claim 323 quid to get his bog lid fixed and then claim to be “just like you”. This is really astonishing, even for this twat.
Just imagine the stresses on that toilet seat from his fat hairy arse.
So now known as John “Two Seats” Prescott?
I suppose with all those pies that the stress to the Armitage Shanks must necessitate 2 seats.
Reinforced bog-seat I presume?
Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! mind bleach FFS get me mind bleach hurry hurry
I do all my constititoouency work while sat on’t lav. It’s a legitimitatate expense that.
(wife says i ort use word ‘lou’ not ‘lav’ – what does she know? stupid woman. Now that Tracy, she knew how to play croket all right phwoooor.
Doesn’t everyone stand on the seat when taking a dump? I learnt that trick at sea, you know.
£4,800 = a lot of Prescott crap in a year.. hence the busted bog seats.
I think there should be a law against anyone using the first comment to actually say something worth reading. It’s criminal!
110th
Ha ha, mate. It ain’t all bad; come Revolution Day they can all pay for their own gold-plated lamppost from which to swing.
What are you talking about?
Comment number 1 should be reserved for Hunts.
Expect a cleaner to be found in the woods very shortly, before they have chance to reveal exactly how much they were paid to clean the Great Gordo’s flat.
Is McBride STILL missing ? – be a bit inconvenient if they found two people who decided to have a stroll in the woods at the same time although I suppose they could always spin it as a “Lovers Pact”
McBride might be the Cleaner!!
Well, as he eats his own bogies, there couldn’t have been so much to clean.
see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VaP1HB7Vew
He will soon have to eat his words and they will be harder to digest than his bogies. I await developments, with interest
Didn’t the snot gobbling cnut apparently pay his own brother (a high flying exec) to clean his house in Jockland? It was just after he moved his official Residence from London back to Fife (just after TCBlair announced that he was going to honour his leadership deal with old snotgob).
If she had to clear up what I did she earned every penny
It was always the saying in my neck of the woods that just as the cobbler’s kids are the worst shod the minister’s sons are the biggest reprobates.
The phrase “within the rules” is starting to sound suspiciously like “I was only under orders.”
Indeed, the MPs version of the Nuremburg Defence just wont wash, how can these “public servants” be allowed to continue in this venal fashion? It’s high time the whole system was rebuilt, why do we need so many MPs for such a small country for a start, the USA runs well enough with only 535 members of congress per population of 303 million, yet we need 646 for a population of 60 million, it just doesnt make any sense, we could cull 50% and still have more than enough?
It is high time that *all* aspects of public spending are monitored and administered by a sole public body run by the tax payers of this country, it is *our* money after all. No more fiddles, no more lies and any public servant caught making spurious claims should be arrested and tried under the anti fraud laws of this country.
No more MPs making laws regarding the public money that they spend, no more commitees run by MPs to judge MP’s venal behaviour, enough is enough.
Yes, we could cut off Scotland and Wales, give them a few more quid to help their pathetic little parliaments along, for say five years, then let them finance their own ‘talking shops’ thereafter.
In the long term it will save a lot of money, and ensure Labour are never re-elected
Harperson this morning has been spinning at full tilt and I can’t believe that she thinks anyone is taken in by it.
I never want to hear the expression ‘within the rules’ ever again.
It makes me sick
Yes, yes and yes again.
Is there an election looming? Our MP graced his constituency with his being last week so I assume that there must be something happening to warrant his prising himself from the trough.
And since 80% of our legislation now comes from Brussels, we only need them one fifth of the time to cover the other 20%, so why not cut their pay and expenses pro rata by 80%. save us a fortune and since we are going to be ruled by Brussels whether we like it or not, because our political class of any colour won’t do anything about it, we might as well make cuts somewhere..
Yes, if the MPs of this country are so lacking in back bone and ethics to commit treason and sell our sovereign country to a facist EU superstate without referendum to the people, I see no reason why we can’t do as you suggest, let them have an 80% pay reduction and cull thier numbers by 50% or even more, if they want Brussels to rule us so badly we have no need for them anymore.
Let them choke on the bile of their own construction.
Revolting Peasant, it might seem a little strange at first, but there is an argument that one of the best ways to tackle corrupt government, is actually to INCREASE the number of parliamentary representatives, let’s say to 5,000 MPs, each representing no more than about 10,000 people.
This argument is developed by Dr. Mark Thornton of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, in the following Lew Rockwell podcast:
=> The Case for Bigger Government
BTW, it’s the ONLY branch of government he wants to expand. He wants ALL OTHER branches of government to be severely contracted, to the point of annihilation.
It’s been a while since I listened to the podcast, but if I recall the arguments go something like this:
1. The less people a Hoon represents, the closer he/she will be observed and monitored by the ones they represent (witness how much MEPs trough it, without oversight, to follow that one through)
2. The more people there are in Parliament, the less influence each MP will have, therefore lobbyists will not be able to focus enough money onto just a handful of MPs, to get the law changes they want.
3. The more MPs there are, the less they will be able to justify large salaries and large expenses, therefore most MPs will only do it for one or two terms, as ‘genuine’ public service, therefore there will be a lot less people who treat politics as a full-time career, therefore politics will be much cleaner.
4. There will be a lot more independents and single-issue MPs, as trying to control 2,500 MPs, for one-party overall control, will be a pig’s dinner (to quote a phrase), and virtually impossible – the less single-party control we have, the better
5. The sheer size of the Parliamentary body will mean that parliamentary sittings will be much less frequent, therefore less laws will be passed to screw things up for the rest of us. For example, parliament might consist of one weekend per quarter, being spent in the National Exhibition Centre in Birmingham, with all MPs getting nothing except train fares and hotel bills paid.
Of course, many more MPs would actually be more ‘democratic’ to boot, but as an anarchist myself, I want the whole lot of them shipped out and removed from control. But if you MUST have democracy, then surely the more representatives the better?
Anyhow, that’s as much as I can remember. Check out the podcast above if you want to hear more.
Thanks Jack I will check this out.
Although the thought of letting even *more* of these odius excuses for human beings into parliment goes against my natural instinct.
Hmmm. An interesting argument. Sometimes the way forward is counter-intuitive.
Can anyone see a catch ?
New rules could include the public execution of the MP found to have troughed the most each year, and the flogging of the next ten. Give them a real incentive.
The BBC said that “Although there is no allegation that any of the ministers broke parliamentary rules, the report is certain to raise serious concerns about MPs’ expenses.”
So I suppose that double claiming a plumber’s bill, or for council tax that you didn’t even incur is “within the rules”?
Hoons.
Any chance of the DUP MPs Robinson (Peter and Iris) expenses being checked to see if they both claimed separately for similar items in their shared London residence?…you know, like two washing machines etc
That would be no allegation by the BBC. then. I could point them to a few on here who are making it,me included.
Not much hope of the Met helping out here is there -if the 600 grand dodgy donation does not warrant any charges I am sure nothing about expenses will.
It can be argued that the current recession and the dire state of the public finances was caused by an unsustainable credit binge from about 2001, causing a ludicrous increase in house prices. It is not really surprising there was little enthusiasm by Brown, the government or Westminster to tackle the problem, when by all accounts 75% of MPs were running property portfolios financed by the taxpayer.
To fiddle your expenses for venal advantage is contemptible, to ruin the UK economy in doing so is treason.
Agree that the media don’t seem to have noted the link between property speculating MPs and the Housing Bubble. Some conflict of interest that.
Of course they did not want to make changes to the credit binge of the last decade and positively encouraged it. It is beyond treason, our “public servants” had such a vested interest in denying the working people of this country the right to secure and reasonably priced accomodation that we are now suffering the biggest economic catastrophy in recent memory.
How can an MP call him self a Labour MP and yet live off the misery of the working classes in such a way enabled by parasitic BTL enterprises all at the expense of the tax payers they are charged to serve?
Now I see Hoon has a £1.7 million property portfolio all paid for by us, the people of this once great land, who can no longer afford to actually live here. These people have ruined us for generations to come. They should be tried in a court of law and punished just as any other who commits acts of treason against the economic security of this country.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there. I did wonder how so many politicians, with the housing bubble of the late 1980′s fresh in their mind, could sit there glibly while another one inflated on their watch. It’s not like the Labour party wasn’t aware of such a possibility. It was a plank of their 1997 manifesto that they wouldn’t allow a housing bubble to develop.
But you’ve cracked it. It wasn’t giving the voters what they want (although there was doubtless some overlap) – it was making sure that they profitted from a completely unsustainable bubble. Itmakes sense. Brown derides the Tory front bench as ‘millionaires row’ but a property portfolio was the only way for a completely talentless crop of Labour MPs to maximise their time in government. The Tories didn’t need to engineer a property boom to get rich personally but the Labour party did.
And so it came to pass.
No wonder they were putting their blind eye to the telescope. Property bubble? What property bubble? You’re just jealous of the prosperity that our wonderful chancellor and financial genius, Gordon Brown, has brought to the country.
It’s not rea prosperity – it’s a property bubble!
Ner, ner, ner, we’re not listening, you caaaaan’t make us…
I had thought they were simply idiots but now I’m beginning to see that they really did stake the entire economy on a housing bubble simply because they were personally benefitting so spectacularly from all their multiple tax-payer sponsored houses.
Strong stuff but I doubt if it was absent from their minds.
There is a sensible tax (unlike taxation on profits, employers and employees) called the Land Value Tax.
IT would allow interest rates to be lower and help the economy by squeezing out rent-seeking (like our MPs and trust fund parasites).
I suggest you become a Georgist too!
MP’s who profited from the housing bubble:
* Jack Straw received a 50 per cent discount on his council tax from his local authority but claimed the full amount. He discovered the “mistake” last summer within weeks of the High Court ordering that MPs release details of their expenses. He has repaid the money.
* Lord Mandelson , the Business Secretary, claimed thousands of pounds to improve his constituency home after he had announced his resignation as an MP. He sold the property for a profit of £136,000.
* Hazel Blears , the Communities Secretary, claimed for three different properties in a single year. She spent almost £5,000 on furniture in three months after buying the third flat in an upmarket area of London.
* David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, spent hundreds of pounds on gardening at his constituency home — leading his gardener to question whether it was necessary to spend the money on pot plants “given [the] relatively short time you’ll be here”.
* Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, changed his official “second home” designation four times in four years.
* Geoff Hoon, the Transport Secretary, also switched his second home, which allowed him to extensively improve his family home in Derbyshire before buying a London town house also funded by the taxpayer.
* Andy Burnham , the Culture Secretary, Caroline Flint, the Minister for Europe, and Paul Murphy, the Welsh Secretary, also bought flats — or the freehold on a property they already owned — and claimed stamp duty and other moving costs. Mr Burnham warned the parliamentary authorities that his wife might divorce him if expenses were not paid promptly.
Venal Scum.Pricing out the hard working workers of this country for profit. they should all be tried in a court of law…no ifs or buts.
Couldn’t agree more. What can we do to these thieving bastards?
Actually this could be huge, if it could be proved that MP’s knowingly encouraged the Housing Bubble to inflate to the crippling level it did, or by non action allowed this to continue in order to personally profit from it…
Beginning to have the smell of the “St Mary’s” Incident in the film ‘V’ for Vendetta
PARASITES
Has Gorgon Bullshit ever had a proper job?
I’d like to volunteer to give Jonah a “proper job”. I can supply all my own tools.
The Penguin.
No, he’s unemployable
What, who, would employ a twat like him? You would run out of money providing office equipment for him to throw about. Not to mention the medical bills for employees, including, providing sanity juice (alcohol)!!
Any senior executive in a properly run company would face instant dismissal (Gross Professional Misconduct) for such actions as have been attributed to gordon.
If Mcdoom had to find work like the rest of us he would end up on benefits; one-eyed, mentally unstable and with a personality disorder, we would end up paying for the bastard to live on the tax payers teat for his whole miserable life!
Or at a stretch he could have more books ghost written for him about subjects he has no knowledge of, He has done “Courage” what about ” Competance” or “Honorable Intentions”
He could not run a drinks party in a distillery.
I would have said they couldn’t organise a fuck in a brothel, but since 0one Liebore war criminal, lying thief managed to organise one in the House of Commons, then I’ll stick with “Piss up in a Brewery” – oh, but with subsidized drinks then I am sure they can manage that too.
I’m so so sorry. I was taken out before I could stop them.
Yeah, they tried that on me too.
Damn you Duncan, you’ll be swimming…one day…with the fishes.
and me
Just let sleeping dogs lie… Oh, by the way, Saddam says Hi, can he have his WMDs back? what do you mean you never found any, those pesky Iranians!
Tony, God wants a quick word with you, about that ‘thou shall not kill’ he put in his manifesto
The manifesto said, ‘thou shalt do no murder’, but killing you was certainly included.
We remove government officials in order to create a vacuum, then we fill that vacuum.
As more of our tools are in place totalitarianism is closer.
Now everybody, get back in your boxes.
I think you’ll find the vacuum here;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5293320/MPs-expenses-A-Z.html?image=3
Hey, slag, dont misquote me.
WTF, Whats so special about civil rights anyway?
Nothing to see here. Move along now. Move along.
Nothing to see here. Move along now. Move alon
My new books out soon, again.
sez the naturalist who has been studying the feeding habits of the lizards in government
hhhhmmm, all these dots, maybe its time for ANOTHER new film.
We are scamming you all we can, through these difficult times.
I’m just getting on with the jobby.
No Gordon, I’m the best man for the job.
Hi Jacqui, you lube if you want to.
Your beer is crap.
It just goes to prove that a poor system, constructed upon poor thinking will deliver poor results!
In the public sector targets, standards, shared services, centrally-imposed measures, are increasing costs and decreasing quality every day.
Read all about it at The Systems Thinking Review
http://www.thesystemsthinkingreview.co.uk/
Thank you Guido
And the useful idiots at the bbc give ministers free rein to justify their behaviour as ‘within the rules’ !
Yes “within the rules”- the mafia have rules too, does this make them any less of a criminal organisation?
The Green Book isn’t thr problem, I’d go so far as to say it’s a reasonable document that could be the basis for a workable scheme of allowances.
The problem is the lack of effective scrutiny and the seemingly unwritten coda that it’s an MPs duty to claim the maximum.
The solution is straightforward:
1) Keep the Green Book
2) Abolish the maximum – let them worry whether they are claiming too much
3) Put all claims online within 48 hours
4) Put all approvals and rejections online within 48 hours
5) Appoint an effective supervisor with powers to call in Knacker
Then see how it goes. I’m happy to be the supervisor and I’ll take 10% of claims rejected.
R56
I applaud the openness, but equally there should be legal consequences if you are caught out claiming for items not within the terms of reference of the Green Book
Get rid of second home allowance and replace it with an allocated room to sleep in.
Or what about a dormatory Red and Blue: boys and girls.
Where will Chris Bryant hang his underpants?
probably on the cross on a side cabinate beside his bed
That’s our secret
I agree we don’t need to change the rules we need to change the MPs.
If the only expenses an MP tried to claim were those they thought they could justify with their constituents we wouldn’t even need any rules. The fact that all of them have been trying so hard to keep everything quiet puts paid to that.
No excuses, no ‘it was all within the rules’, no ‘everyone else is doing it’, no ‘I thought mock Tudor beams were a legitimate expense’; just resign. Because if you think any of those are justifications then you’re not fit to represent anyone.
This does rather sum up Prescott, though – two Jags, mock Tudor beams and ill-fitting slacks.
Middle management at best.
The only way he would get to middle management is via the bar and serving them G&T’s the man is just an utter twat
We remove government officials in order to create a vacuum, then we fill that vacuum. As more of our tools are in place totalitarianism is closer. Now everybody, get back in your boxes.
Diarrhea this morning, I’m afraid. Most unpleasant and followed through with a foul odour with which the fan could barely cope. And just when I thought I was ‘settling down’ a bit.
‘Ere mate you can borrow one of mine.
I did have a laugh at the tory mp who claimed two boxes of tampons on expenses.
be fair
Hunts need tampons
Note is was a he. Perhaps he had the squits and was thinking inside the box?
I cut them up to make little discrete plugs that I can slip into my ears whenever Brown is talking in the Commons. I find this method cheaper than buying those proper plugs that are also usually bright yellow and give the game away. I suggest this is a proper use of taxpayers’ money because I could not do my job properly if I was forced to actually listen to what he says; instead of representing my constituents I would be in the chokey on a 15 year stretch for murder.
I cannot believe that the Conservative Party are not also fiddling expenses ,
I would .
I think to what extent each were abusing the property refurb ruse is the main thing , thats the big money but to be honest if the boys and girls in blue have not amassed a string a mouth-watering Georgian period palaces I will have serious concerns about their entrepreneurial instincts
I would
Is this it, are we at the doorway to change? Labour style capitalism/socialism has driven us to the cliff edge economically and the fabric of society is tattered. I feel that GB/UK is unreoverable, the union will break and then what?
Troll.
Tell us what you would like to see. Hopefully the union will break and with it the handouts to Scotland’s Soviet-style economy and any prospects for a labour government in England.
So. Let’s get this straight. The Leader of the House of Commons – the foremost defender of our democracy defends the plundering and THEFT of the public coffers by our representatives by saying that:
We’re not as bad as other countries.
That’s it? That’s the best she can do? That’s how far we’ve come since magna carta? Can you imagine that in a Crown Court?
“I may have robbed the pensioner but she at least she wasn’t on crutches. That would have been really bad”
How much more of this filth masquerading as virtue can we take? If we were a little less English we’d be building barricades and ripping up the cobblestones…
It’s incredible isn’t it? I mostly despise thatcher and her henchmen but I’m absolutely certain that if she or one of her people had been caught doing any of these expenses fiddles (even just one pathplug) they would have resigned in shame. I don’t for a second think Cameron and his gaggle of simpletons would resign either. It’s not a party thing anymore – the whole system is so corrupt it needs to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch. Getting rid of the current crop of fools in charge would be a small start but getting rid of Labour is just the beginning.
Try reading Peter Oborne’s The Rise of the Political Class. An eye-opener.
It is all about the difference between what one could do and what one should do.
“Within the rules” is just a cover, the same type of cover that various banks used when complying with BASEL2, regardless of if it was sensible or lawful.
MPs pleading “within the rules” is like a burglar pleading “well they left the door open, didn’t they?”.
What’s wrong with rules? Uncle Adolf, kept to the rules (his rules) claimed he didn’t do anything wrong.
I managed to fill up another wanted poster (V2.0) full of the bastards.
Everyone please feel free to cut and paste it anywhere you like.
Wanted Poster Version 2.0 – Cabinet Crooks
Have to say that Brown really has an uncanny resemblance to Stalin
westminster expenses club has only three rules
1 all expenses claims are first and foremost for the purpose of personal enrichment
2 all expense claims are ‘within the rules’
3 any claims subsequently found to be ‘iffie’ are all the fault of the fees office for passing them
Do you realise you were breaking the speed limit, sir?
Why yes officer, I did it last week and as you didn’t stop me then I assumed that everything was in order.
And I’ll just drive back along that length of road at 27 mph in reverse, so if you deduct 27 from 97, the speed you said I was doing, that makes it 70 mph.
It was simply an oversight and I blame my civil servants.
That’s no excuse sonny !
But c’mon officer lot’s of other people drive faster than I was and look I was 10 miles over the limit then so how about I drive 10 under for the next bit to make up ?
Couple this with MPs desires to make positions in the HoC hereditary (gould’s daughter, khan’s son, prescott junior etc. etc.) and this is simple parasitism.
FF’s sake!
Bram Stoker’s blood suckers had less guile and better table manners.
Conway Derek trouble was?
Darn Tootin’
He a crook was. But no different from Smith or Mcnulty and nowhere near as bad as Uddin. He was fired – they are still in office.
Is there any member of the Government front bench that is not a millionaire? Does anyone know?
if they weren’t when they entered parliament they are when they leave
OK would this be the same for the backbenchers as well, reckon?
fucking nora, and they say Italians are bent
But they at least dress well on it.
Wonder if Mr Berlesconi got his hair transplany on expenses – bet he would have done here.
This lot here don’t need hair transplants – their heads need sticking poles is what
Hey, you leavea Silvio alonea or youa sleepé with the fishes.
He a fills his cabinet witha top totti whereas perverta Brown gives usa
Harriet Harman, Jacqui Smith, Estelle Morris, Tessa Jowell, Hazel Blears, Yvette Cooper, and Ruth Kelly par example.
@170…Pigs in Knickers the lot of them. useless, incompetent and downright dangerous too. Knickers no doubt – and tampons – claimed on expenses.
Within the rules? ie Brainless compliance!
Do these MPs have brains? Do they have integrity? Do they have backbones?
No. They are a bunch of nasty cowardly scroungers who when caught out do not have the guts to admit their failings.
They are really sick examples of human nature and ALL need therapy to sort out their f***ked up minds
Who watches the watchers? They watch each other.
How very convenient.
Revolt, just boot them out on voting day then demand a shake up of the system by independent monitoring and rule selection.
The gravy train must be stopped and public funds actually used for public services. MPs aren’t a public service, they have become laws unto themselves. Something has gone wrong, and if we grow some backbone we can set it right. BUT ONLY IF WE GROW SOME BACKBONE AND USE IT.
Green book using John Lewis?
Why not the Argos Catalogue? Does everything at a much lower cost!
kash for Hunts
Kash
Korrupts
Hunts
The one CLAIM that no MP of any political party can make since 1997 is that of having made a good job of running the Country. This applies in equal measure to a pathetic New Labour Government and to all Opposition parties who have simply failed in holding a bad Government to acount.
The sound and fury over MPs’ expenses claims would be nowhere near as vociferous had they put as much craft and creativity into making sure the Country was well run and had sound financial reserves to deal with any down turn in the economy as they put into “fiddling” their expenses and buliding up their property portfolios.
Whilst the Banks and the Markets were ripping off the general population and Private pension funds were melting away faster than the winter snow far too many politicians were too busy dealing with their own finances to notice the Country’s and the Publics’ finances were disappearing down the plughole. A bathplug for the Nations’ finances would have been more appropriate.
I heard some titled politician on radio 4 this morning saying we had to quickly get to a position whereby MPs got the respect they DESERVED from the Public. I have some news that will be beneficial to this delusional fool’s health; DON’T HOLD YOUR BREATH. Respect has to be earned, not taken for granted and all MPs have a long uphill struggle to regain any measure of respect from the public.
You can shout all you want in Parliament – but if the media don’t report it, you might as well not exist. Combine this with a ‘bent’ Speaker, Labour ‘Machine politicians’ dominating all the Committees and a public unwilling to listen to the truth and you can forget ‘political opposition’
Government can only govern with the support of the governed. Since they no longer have that support and won’t go, perhaps it’s time for some serious action. In nay other country there would have been rioting on the streets by now.
These thieving bastards need to run out of parliament in abject disgrace for what they have done…
It won’t happen of course. We’ll just moan about it after a nice dinner and tut, tut a lot at the office. The reason the rubbish government has no backbone is because the country has no backbone anymore and the bastards in the bunker know that.
Quote of the Day:
‘Governments are instituted among men deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute a new government…..when a long train of abuses and usurpations…evinces a design to reduce them under an absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security’
Just a thought
Why particularly since 1997? Major was a complete disaster.
How on earth can it be within even the ludicrously widely drawn rules that we have for Gordon Brown to claim expenses for a second home? Doesn’t he get a home provided with the job that’s already at taxpayers’ expense? Just how many homes does he need?
This would have totally destroyed my trust in politicians if that hadn’t already gone a while back.
Why was gordon ‘paying his brother to pay a cleaner for this flat’ when he was already living in Downing Street? – was this flat standing empty? – if so why did it need cleaning or was it let to a tenant -if so why did Gordon need to fund a cleaner for it?
Taken from Toenails’ newsblog, 2355 last night.
“Neverthless, what’s been revealed so far looks unlilkely to force anyone from office and compared with allegations of fraud that politicians have faced in many other countries this would be regarded as small beer.”
So that’s the line. Britain leads the World in pettifogging pilfering. As it’s only a small(?!) amount that has been stolen, it doesn’t matter, ‘cos there’s no evidence of Swiss Bank accounts. Which investigative journo is going to test that hypothesis?
I want wholesale dismissals from within the BBC.
The Corporation has failed at all levels to fulfill its duty.
It is no longer fit for purpose.
“Speaking truth unto Power”?
More like hanging onto their coattails in the hope of scraping up a few crumbs from the table.
Freeze the licence fee.
Stop paying the licence fee now.
Have some backbone and stop propping up a corrupt regime.
It never was ‘fit for purpose’, unless the purpose was explicitly brainwashing the population with whatever bilge the current government wanted to smother them with
I used to argue strongly that the BBC was a worthy establishment that was worth the broadcasting fee. That piece of filth toenails has single handedly convinced me they should be abolished. I’m a lefty and even I would wholeheartedly agree with the premise that he is a labour party propogandist and nothing else. The man is a disgrace.
I wonder what BBC “expenses” look like. Salaries and pensions are somewhat overgenerous. No doubt “expenses” follow the same pattern.
Brown claimed to have his toilet unblocked. Wonder what the plumber found?
Mandelson’s spy camera
nice one.
I thought he might have shit a brick when he actually became PM
His glass eye.
Brown turds?
Brown “thingys”?
Certainly no floaters – they’ve all turned against Labour.
Mandelson
Damian McBride
Am I the only one who thinks the Telegraph revelations are a spoiler for the full publication of expenses later.
The idea is to shove out a lot of trivial detail now about cabinet ministers, then trickle meatier stuff about the Tories leading up to the June elections.
Brogan, or more likely Andrew Porter must have got the info direct from No 10.
I agree. This is a damage limitation exercise. Remember the spoiling tactics for McBride?
Expose expenses for the well known cabinet ministers, they are toast anyway. Link all parties MP’s in the next wave, “they are all as bad as one another”.
The way to save a larger number of Labour MPs than if all the details had been released at the same time.
Mandy playing a blinder here.
David Cameron needs to take control of the timing himself and get his dirty washing hung out immediately.
Bang on. The longer he lets this run the worse it will be for the Tories. Should we run a book on who is actually clean in the whole place? Or is Guido right and the whole place just needs levelling?
I thought it was a spoiler for the Woolas/Gurkha fiasco
John – no you’re not. That’s exactly what I found myself thinking too. Even with Brogan baring his teeth the effect of the whole thing has been to leave the cabinet pretty much secure and reduce the effect of the full release when it does happen.
Of course it’s damage limitation- spin will always happen as long as the electorate demand flawless politicians. Everybody, and I do mean everybody is a bit naughty- I guess thats human. It is all too easy to point the finger, but remember: let he who is without sin cast the first stone…
I imagine many MP started off with honorable intentions, then as the years went by, saw how other MPs were allowed to cream the expense claims. They justify themselves by telling themselves the expenses are really part of their salary (after all- they are paid a tiny salary in the first place), and because everyone is at it, the original opposition to things just fades away…
What people also forget, is that the very fact that moves are being made towards transparency are steps in the right direction. People have been on the fiddle since the dawn of time- and we really shouldn’t worry about small fiddles too much. I feel it is the really big fraudulent claims (Uddin for example)- who lie over claims that through no perspective whatsoever can be justified- that should be penalised harshly.
Let’s remember that MPs wrote the rules that allow them to rob the tax-payer. Having done that, they still found it necessary to stretch the rules to the limit by re-defining which homes were their “second” ones, and despite having incomes of hundreds of thousands of pounds per year, still had the temerity to claim for minor petty items.
The socialist ones are the worst, because they by their own tenets ought to be above it, and it is their hypocrisy which angers.
I wondered about that.
On the one hand, as a Libertarian, all politicians are lower on my food chain than cockroaches.
On the other, back in 1997 Labour made a big play with ‘Tory sleaze’ and Tony Blair (you remember him: ‘a pretty straight sort of guy’) famously declared that the incoming government would have to be ‘whiter than white’.
They have now been in power for twelve years with majorities ranging from whopping to comfortable. The inference is clear: if they had wanted to do something they could have.
Presumably doing away with ‘Tory sleaze’ is the same as abolishing ‘Tory Boom and Bust’.
If I hear Toenalis state once more that this is “very small beer indeed” I think I will scream.
Toenails – we know why you are defending the Labour troughers – if those “public servants” can be crucified for their outrageous expenses what do you think the reaction will be from the taxpayers when YOUR expenses eventually get leaked?
You are a disgrace Toenails.
The Rules? MP’s don’t write them, most of them can’t. The Civil Service – aka those at the Treasury – draft them and the MP’s nod wisely and say “Aye” in the appropriate place. Of course the latest claims are “within the rules”, the rules are so braod and so incomprehensible you could spend years with a team of legal experts and still not untangle them or make them undertsandable.
Parliament is now just an expensive gravy train for the incompetent at anything productive.
Go off to a very dark room and lie down Guido.
I can’t count my expenses and review my investment portfolios in peace without you whinging and whining.
Britain and ME never had it so good!!!!
Yippee
This has also exposed the role of the Monarchy as a frippery, the only role of the monarchy is to appoint the Prime Minister and to dissolve Parliament. The Monarchy would not survive the dissolution of this corrupt Parliament, short of storming the gates of no 10- there is nothing that can be done to turf these bastards out
“It’s within the rules” has become their favourite get out clause.
The way around “it’s within the rules” is to check what has been done within the context of another set of rules that are not under the control of MP’s.
The biggest amounts involved in all this are the amounts claimed/spent on houses ie building up a property portfolio as Guido says.
That would have required mortgage funding and mortgages are subject to an application form and what you put on that form (or leave out) is subject to the mortgage fraud rules.
If you have a list of an MP’s properties the lender data is available via the Land Registry, that may give a clue in itself as to how an application was made. For the real meat though a mole will be required.
Anyone want to give it a try?
CAn I have my dry cleaning paid for by the state ? After all – I have to wear a suit to work and look smart for work -
WTF drugs are they on ?
Crooks.. stick ‘em in a hotel. They pay for their own food (I have to) .. if they leave the commons, tough.
No suicides yet?
You have to feel shame to want to kill yourself. these people feel no shame. They’d need encouragement to do the decent thing.
Not likely to be. They will all sit on their hands, keeping very quiet and wait for this to blow over.
The British people are powerless to do anything about it. What will we do, wait for a general election? Don’t hold your breath.
They have won, and they don’t care.
These expenses were so lucrative that Labour MPs could not match them if they were deselected and lost their seats.
So they voted for every rotten, evil, unfair, corrupt New Labour law.
Labour MPs became whores.
That is how the New Labour bosses kept power and ruined the country.
I loved Harman’s comment on Today this morning when asked if this showed MPs to be corrupt. I forget her exact words, but it was along the lines of “MPs in other countries are more corrupt.”
This could be a great election slogan for them, couldn’t it? “Vote Labour: we’re not as corrupt as Berlusconi!”
Vote Berlusconi!
We got hotties!
In other words, she effectively admitted being corrupt. Someone should YouTube this immediately.
Here’s the link to the podcast..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/today
Thanks for that. The bit where she says “we’re not as corrupt as those nasty foreigners” is about 8 and a half minutes in.
Hang on?
Didn’t an EU MP recently get barred from the UK regarding his attitude towards foreigners?
Double standards?
Shout about the troughers. Fill in the Dept. of Work and Pension forms for benefit cheats. Ring the hotline on 0800 854 440.
These troughers must be stopped. They won’t stop – we have to stop them.
In China, these people would be lined up against a wall and shot. And China is not exactly clean.
…and the bill for the bullet is sent to the family. I kid you not.
Can Gordon’s brother claim that back?
Yeah but then they distribute their organs – would you want Gordon’s kidneys? Yuch.
Stuck.
That’s actually one bill I’d happily let them put on expenses….
Yeah, but this lot would claim in on expenses….
Prepare the firing squads.
Heads on poles is better.
Let’s compromise – we shoot them, then stick their heads on spikes? Agreed?
OUTRAGEOUS! Shedding blood is no way for us to transform our KLEPTOCRACY into a democracy.
Anyway, how will I get a return on the posts, chains and faggots I have invested in.
So the question is………….Where will Brown disappear to this week to avoid everyone, Afghanistan, Germany, Pakistan, Australia.
Place your bets now.
Which Finance Act gives MPs EXEMPTION from Income Tax on their expenses ? I thought it was 2003.
When the rest of humanity is tied up in knots on claiming books as “tools of the trade” and waiters are being harassed by HMRC over tips it is breathtaking that MPs see themselves as Aristocrats not to be counted among the Hoi-Polloi using Expenses rather like Trust Funds
I am hoping this will kick up some interesting stuff!
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/expenses_repaid
Its peanuts compared to what the banks have got out of us.
WRONG – it is peanuts compared to what the very same people have shovelled over to the banks. The banks were GIVEN OUR MONEY and our money was watered down to give them even more.
Stop blame-shifting onto “the rich bankers”. The government are to blame for this, the recession, the property bubble etc. Until they stop trying to run everything they will continue to be to blame (yet irresponsible).
See my comment up at 65. The banks will all have filing cabinets bulging with old mortgage application forms. It could get very interesting.
Not to mention GPs who have made a fortune their privately owned surgeries and pharmacies, paid for from the public purse.
Not that I’d claim for a minute that the GP contract is flawless, but at least GPs do something useful to earn their money.
Not only that, but they even have to turn up for work.
…and they don’t get an expenses allowance just for turning up either
Right Bastard is correct – some GPs (including some committed socialists)have done very nicely out of the cost-rent scheme. Value for tax-payers money might arguably be better provided by proper investment in state owned health centres just as it would have been by directly investing in other public buildings rather than using PFI. However, the premises the GPs claimed for are actually used for NHS GP services – they are not empty flats or second/third/fourth homes and most are not readily saleable as anything other than GP surgeries.
The thing that wrankles about Joanna Lumley is, that as a woman with conviction she has highlighted the spuriousness and weakness of the present crappy incumbents of government. Just think what might have happened if we had had seriousness and conviction amongst the opposition parties for the past 12 years?? – no Iraq war? no ID Cards? no pigs troughing? Who knows??? But it makes me bloody angry to watch Harman doing the rounds, whilst the expense fiddles continue unabated. We, the suffering electorate, will no dount have another 12 months to put up with this shit.
Sorry mate, you just don’t get it – these sanctimonous hoons believe in themselves, and no amount of huffing and puffing by the great unwashed will shake their laughably deluded sense of self-importance.
All you can do is to quit this once great country, never to return. If you don’t, then you, your children and your childrens’ children will be paying for the deficits incurred mainly by Brown when Chancellor. The expense claims, while disgraceful, are but a very small part of the unbelievable mess caused by Brown, aided and abetted by the appropriately named Balls. And what did Blair do during his period in office? Nothing. He gave Brown free rein to his mad spending schemes, because he was too scared to sack him,even though it was clear for ages that the man was incompetent. So Blair is also responsible for the mess we have, although now he can charge (I do not mean “earn”) £250,000 for a one hour lecture, I do not imagine he is bothered. This is old Labour.
Now, all together, to the tune of the Red Flag, “The working class can kiss my arse, I’ve got the foreman’s job at last”.
He gave Brown free rein because the “feel good” factor of spending on unnecessary consumer items imported from China, and the suckering of ever increasing numbers into benefits via tax credits, underpinned election success.
But all this hoo-hah about expense claims……….It all started in America and it is a worldwide phenomenon
Tough on expenses, tough on the causes of expenses
Read that as:
“Trough on expenses, trough on the causes of expenses”
In December, 2004, the minister bought another London flat for £300,000. The monthly mortgage was more than £1,000 and Miss Blears initially claimed the maximum £400 a month for groceries.
I was going to buy a chipmunk for my daughter, but now realise I can’t afford the food.
Excellent.
Just starve the fucker then.
And then you realised Dandruff was a sexually transmissible disease?
British MPs aren’t the only thieving scum. British producers pushed up prices 0.6% in April against a backdrop of rapidly falling raw material and wage costs. By comparison German wholesale prices have responded to falling input costs and are now 8% less than a year ago. Typical thieving, screwing, ‘fuck-you’, sociopathic anglo mentality. You’re all justifiably fucked.
Sterling fell against the euro. Doh!
Penalty!
It was in the box
Was he pissed again?
A long long time ago in my working days when I was a partner in a small business, another one of the partners was found to be taking postage stamps from petty cash without declaring that they were for private use. He was embarassed and resigned from the practice.
My, how things have changed.
When I grew up that was the type of Britain I believed in and, by and large, really thought existed.
Now I believe in absolutely nothing. Twelve years of NewLabour and its supine fellow travellers has turned me into a nihilist.
It’s become so bad that if you don’t join in you feel a mug.
Having recently watched the appropriately named Lord Eatwell (former adviser to Kinnoch) in the HoL debate on the finance bill explaining that the chancellors budget and policy makes sense, questions the competence of anyone in the Labour party or the Treasury understanding simple plus and minus.
They just don`t get veracity,ethics or morality.
They get rich
They need to get punished.
Can we GET THE NAME OF THIS CLEANER ?
And find out what she actually was paid for. ? Maybe she did extra’s, maybe she got phook all and the Browns STOLE the money.
The bong-eyed-koont should be hung.
Susan Boyle
Andrew “Jay Cloth” Brown & Sarah “Where’s the domestos” Brown
Maybe She is a He.
Ian Tomlinson?
South American bloke who’s been “around the block” perhaps? Cleaner, nurse – you get to pick the outfit.
Probably turn out to be an illegal
In reply to Moley:
I must admit that I felt a little uneasy having to supply an email address.
A fine state of affairs when you are more fearful of the State than your average mugger or terrorist.
This adminstration are worried about us voting for a party which espouses the politics of hate. Wake up call…… WE FUCKING HATE YOU!.
I hate to point out the obvious, but you are all (Guido included) swallowing the Harman line about it “all being within the rules”. It isn’t – at least not within the rules of the Green book which I have in front of me.
The overriding principle governing the ACA is stated clearly in three separate places. It says, in each case, that the expenses must be “wholly, neccesarily and exclusively” incurred for the purpose of performing parliamentary duties. Everything else is just guidelines, allowing a maximum for a particular category doesn’t make an expense in that category any more neccesary, or automatically bring it into the test of exclusivity.
Further, the rules stress (which is obvious) that it is the members responsibility to ensure that their claims are accurate and honest. This is obvious really – but Harman trots out the line that these expenses were somehow “approved” by the fees office. It is not the role of the fees office to decide whether or not a request for payment is made truthfully, it is the the Fiduciary duty of the person submitting the claim. This situation occurs everyday in Companies throughout the world – if I am the CEO of a public company and I ask the cashier to pay a bill for lunch, she will tick it and pay it (as a general rule). If I submit the same bill for lunch twice, requesting that it be paid (as Gordon Brown has done) it is NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN the job of the cashier to apologise for failing to spot MY wrongful claim.
So – it is NOT within the rules unless it is “wholly and exclusively in the course of Parliamentary duties”. It is NOT within the rules (or indeed honest, or legal) just because the fees office were persuaded to pay it. And it is not, above all, some kind of “allowance” or “entitlement” to be regarded as extra salary however much the individual Cabinet minister or MP might wish it to be. If you make a claim outside the rules, it is your problem. Full stop, Basta, end of story.
I wonder why the MSM are so keen to swallow this explanation?
You are correct, of course. So that means the claims for food cannot possibly be allowable. No one has to eat to perform their duties. “Lady” Uddin (is it ladylike to steal from hard-working families?), if she has claimed for food, whether hallal or not, must repay all of it.
Exactly.
The system is NOT the problem.
The people within the system are the problem.
They cannot be trusted.
Therefore, they cannot be trusted to represent me.
Twizzle how sweet,they represent themselves you are only used/needed when they require you to vote for them
EXACTLY!! If the fee’s office in any way scrutinsed the payments then it wouldn’t be possible for Brown to claim twice for the same thing, or for Straw to claim more than he paid.
The fee’s office pay out automatically – there is no scrutiny.
BTW – how did Straw claim a higher payment than he actually made? What ‘proof’ did he provide; because none could exist!?
He didn’t provide any, he said he had “inadvertently” overclaimed. He failed to actually check the amount he had paid (from his bank statement) the bill with the discount on (from the council) and instead claimed 100% from a different figure which (presumably) he looked up somewhere. He only corrected the situation after the FOI ruling was made and it was known that expenses would be published.
In other words, instead of taking care to submit honest and genuine expense reports (which is his legal obligation) he claimed negligently and to his own benefit until the propsect of publication persuaded him to go back over his claims and take the care he was obliged to take in the first place. At that point, he examined his records and “noticed” that he had received money unlawfully.
In any normal company that would be a firing offence.
Yes, agreed. As you say – he had at least 2 records of the ACTUAL payment (bank statement, council tax bill) but instead used ‘something’ else to claim the incorrect amount.
Extremely suspicious.
Exactly who is, (or who are?) this collective that make up the “Fees Office”?
Any jobs going?
Its proper name is the Feaze and Sleaze Office
My point at 13 above – though you put it far more eloqouently than me.
Transparency and scrutiny are the answers, not a different set of rules.
Oh, and I guess integrity would help.
R56
Absolutely Cassius.
The rules also state that claims should not bring Parliament into disrepute. This is were the judgement would lie with the claimant, not the expenses office.
So why do people accept the line from Harman & Co about “within the rules”?
An excellent and accurate description. Listening to that wretch Harman on BBC R4 makes one realise just what a lying, war criminal, kleptocracy the UK lives under.
I quote from Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl. In response to a demand from the fragrant Miss Elizabeth Turner, Pirate Captain Babossa (the excellent Geoffrey Rush) had this to say,
“First, your return to shore was not part of our negotiations nor our agreement so I must do nothing. And secondly, you must be a pirate for the pirate’s code to apply and you’re not. And thirdly, the code is more what you’d call “guidelines” than actual rules. Welcome aboard the Black Pearl, Miss Turner.”
Arrgh! Welcome aboard The Good Ship Westminster, ye taxpayers.
Shiver me timbers, mateys. Ah-arrghh.
There must be such Prima Face evidence against JackBoot Jacqui regarding her suspect claim for having a bedroom in her sisters house as her main residence.
All that would be needed would be an examination of the Police Protection Teams logs for time spent in guarding the house in Peckham and corroberative evidence from the neighbours who say that she was rarely there.
Have the Police Protection Team been questioned? Have the neighbours been interviewed.
If not why not??????
She is the Home Secretary for Christ Sake and supposed to be in charge of Law & Order.
Start with her, she is wide open.
I have posted this before and dont understand why it is not a Criminal Enquiry
rather than a breach of the Rules.
The thought of her being wide open almost made me vomit. She would be better tight shut. Come to think of it, she probably is. That’s why her hubby at home, the real home, had to rent the porno films.
The porno films such as RAW MEAT 3 were GAY porno films.
Don’t waste time repeating here. Contact the Serious Fraud squad and start thr ball rolling
Someone out there must have enough money or know a decent lawyer to launch a private prosecution against these thieving arsholes. They have clearly broken the law in many cases.
If I win the Euro Millions I would gladly pay to see these parasites squirm in the dock… What brilliant entertainment. Any broadcaster would give their eye teeth to show it, worldwide. Except the BBC, or course!
Who among us who signed the petition for the PM to resign did not feel a frisson of fear?
Do you remember the poster who said that he wanted to sign but was afraid of the consequences?
The position of this country might seem hopeless until one remembers that there are some people in the civil service who are literally willing to risk their lives for the Country that they believe in.
The risk cannot be quantified but the fear is there.
Who among us who signed the petition for the PM to resign did not feel a frisson of fear?
Not bloody me. I dont’ fear these fuckers one little scrap. The worst they could ever do would be to kill me – and those dumb fucks dont’ seem to realise that as they’re already murdering my country, that isn’t such a worrisome threat.
I’m am past fear, past hope, past longing, past wishful thinking – I am balls-deep into pure blind hatred. I want them gone and I want my country back, and I’m not much fussed how it happens. Rivers of blood would suit me just fine.
I signed up and I’m not frightened of these useless and incompetent scumbags at all.When all is said and done,they may be powerful now but they are greedy,immoral and stupid and it will do for them all.
What became of the rumour that Testicles and his insectivorous mammal of a wife were so up to their teats in it that resignations were likely?
And what about the tales of room sharing and double claims, divorces and suicides?
I’m bitterly disappointed. I really am.
That dog has yet to bark, Sherlock. Perhaps a special for Sunday?
Having just read Dizzy’s article on the PM’s private flat it struck me also that the Chancellor and the PM have country places to retire to at weekends so private flats are most likely never used.
One supposes that the PM’s private flat may be rented out. So why, if that is the case, does it need cleaning at all?
When did the PM buy the private flat? Before he became Chancellor?
Must be more in this.
I had to incur expenses on my house after I announced that I was leaving Parliament and just before I sold it. After all, I, Lord Mandelson of Foy (should that be “boy”?) am entitled to defraud everyone in sight. Just look at my record of fraud and dishonesty. Must run, I have another mortgage to take out.
Steve Richards accidentally put his finger on the problem on Newsnight Thursday. He said he could not accept that all politicians were lying cheating scumbags because of what that would mean about us the electorate.
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Spot on! We get the government we deserve. We are a craven people, spineless and weak and when fascism arrives in full force we will welcome it with open arms. (By we, i mean everyone but me, and the readers of this blog, obviously
Speak for yourself.
I prostrate myself and beg for your forgiveness.
“When fascism arrives in full force”??
It’s been here for the last 12 years you ignoramus.
We are all individuals.
I’m not.
That’s the sort of population their social engineering is busily producing, automatic labour voting filth.
We are being subjugated by the ruling KLEPTOCRACY. That’s why these hogs won’t subject themselves to the Court of Public Opinion. They are subject to nothing, not even our derision touches them.
These Mp’s have defrauded the taxpayer a court of law is where they should be.
Financial Misconduct & Fraud = Neo Labour
If only we had an investigative press. Then we could have an interview with a certain cleaner this Sunday.
That is why these fraudsters will get away without anything happening to them ,we don’t have journalists in this country,we have copy takers,no wonder people have stopped buying newspapers.
“Mr Muscle” is unavailable for comment until he’s contacted Max Clifford
Ah but does one really exist.
Don’t you mean “free and independent” press?
Private Eye is a good publication- I know Mr Hislop might have some rather old fashioned ideas- but I would trust him- more than can be said for the majority of the political types so common in Parliament
Labia’s friend on the Bizzarograph, Andrew Porter, has just been on the Radio Collaborator stating that some of the claims are ‘questionable’.
That’s really telling it like it is.
And Mandyboys is bleating that it is all tendentious stuff and a dishonest smear designed to make honest people look bad; MP’s with honest motives are being traduced.
Shameless farking criminality.
It is not the system – it is institutionalised larceny, carried out by venal career criminals under the fig leaf of ‘the rules’.
What’s the difference between MPs and ‘Fred the Shred’?
RBS decided on Fred’s pension after looking at his contract and it was public knowledge.
MPs decided on their own perks and did their utmost to hide them from the public.
Despite this awful scandal is anyone really surprised? Further, I bet there will be no Cabinet resignations over this and that McImmoral will continue in office to the bitter end
Sit down and consider it carefully.
I did.
I find it astonishing that this lot are simple crooks.
Everyday they carry out acts which would see ‘the man in the street’ convicted for fraud by HMRC
But MPs will stand up and declare piously that they are honest men and entitled to sit in judgement on the rest of us.
And the only reason that they get away with it is because they make the rules.
We have a right and a duty to call them what they are:
Thieves,
Liars,
Fraudsters,
CROOKS!
You are right sir but this gang will continue in office and trough until forced out by the electorate
The sense of entitlement runs deep within these shits. They are simple welfare parasites.
Never let it be said they deserve more pay. They have abused the previous system for personal gain. They are abusing the current system for personal gain. They will abuse a future system for personal gain.
How about we move to independently wealthy or sponsored MPs. I do not want to pay for this any more. I don’t care who does the sponsoring – businesses, Unions or whatever. So long as they are British firms and British Unions.
Don’t the COOP and the unions already sponsor MP’s,this lot want to have their cake and eat it,
They could have changed the rules 10 years ago if they really thought they were that poor. Jack Straw in particular has been very sanctimonious in applying the full weight of the law to unfortunate souls. What they have .claimed, people could live on. It is shabby no matter how Harridan spins it
“Me a humble ex-postman(my expenses will pass the test)being put forward as possible Prime Minister – I have no ambitions in that quarter BUT if asked to serve………….”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1024574/Revealed-Blair-built-property-portfolio-mortgage-expenses-paid-taxpayers.html
Don’t forget Tony and Cherie in all this!
“It is All Within the Rules”
Where within the rules does it say thou shalt fiddle?
Actually “fiddle” is the word that MPs would have us use, for the rest of we plebs substitute with the word STEAL.
So ROBINSON from the BBC (and Joey JONES from Sky) believe that nothing has been revealed that will force anyone from office, perhaps they are correct, but ROBINSON also appears to believe, to quote from his blog that any MP will insist that ‘you don’t get rich by going into politics’.
Perhaps the ‘four-eyed one’ should ask ‘BuffHoon’ how he has managed to build up a property portfolio worth £1.7 million on expenses.
He was called to the Bar at Gray’s Inn in 1978, that is he qualified as a barrister 31 years ago. Do you know of many poor barristers?
348 Yes loads, actually. A lot of them have to give up and retrain as solicitors, as there is not enough work for them all.
196 Toenails’ remark is bollo*ks as usual: an accountant I know has calculated that an MP’s salary plus expenses package is equivalent to £350,000 a year for a normal taxpayer. How many of these lecturers, think-tank researchers and union officials could make anything like that in the real world?
Then that makes his thieving all the more despicable, as he had plenty of cash in the first place – pure greed, plain and simple. No matter how many ways you try to spin it, their actions are utterly immoral, and more than likely criminal.
‘One Scottish MP claimed 5p for a shopping bag from Ikea’
Fucking tight Jocks.
No. Sensible, because the bag can be re-used by his cleaner to take his laundry away.
And in the not too distant future reused a third time to carry his newspaper blankets from park bench to park bench.
Yes, but even from a very generous salary of 63K pa, he could afford a fucking 5p shopping bag FFS.
Cleaner?
PAYE?
NI?
Confirmation please.
Travelling expenses and the use of a “second home” for greater London MPs should be looked at and take a leaf out of the Jobless Centre instructions for obtaining a job (even basic minimum wage) with own transport a job within 11/2 hours, without own transport and using public transport 1 hour is the acceptable time for a jobless person to accept for work. MPs live on their expenses and save salary, expenses are not taxed but allowances are.
Blears should be known as Two Sharp or Miss Flat Screen
no just simply as
two faced fucking hypocritical sanctamonius troughing thieving scumbag lying conniving shit stirring nu labour poisonus fucking dwarf
This is straight from Pravda about allowable expenses (sorry, don’t know how to do the direct link):
“Drivers can claim 40p a mile for the first 10,000 miles then 25p a mile, cyclists get 20p a mile while motorcyclists can claim 24p a mile. These rates can be claimed for journeys between Westminster, their constituency and their main home.”
Under HMRC rules you CANNOT claim for travel between your main residence and place of work without being taxed.
Sorry, I forgot that they don’t have to worry about the laws they apply to the rest of us.
I started off fairly angry today but I’m getting more annoyed as the day wears on…
Cyclists get 20p a mile? How the devil does that work – motorists get 40p, and 20p of that (at least) will be going on fuel, leaving the remainder to cover wear and tear on the vehicle.
How can anyone claim justifiably that the maintenance bills from general wear and tear are the same or more for a bicycle than they are for a car?
Please can someone tell me how MPs can claim for food, when they are not actually living away from home – as they claim a second home allowance. One or the other but not both. Help…
Everyone has to eat, doesn’t matter where you are. Additional costs such as eating meals in hotel whilst away from your usual abse of work may be justifiable, but NOT when you have based yourself in the ‘second home.’ After all you have all the facilities near ie supermarkets. So there is no additional cost.
Simple. They make the rules. See post 37 for a full description of what those rules are.
They are going to get away with it and I think we all know it.
A bit of an uncomfortable weekend; keep parroting the line to take (it’s all within the rules etc); rely on Toenails and co to minimise their crimes and then it’s on to the expenses of the wicked Tories. They won’t even have to repay a penny, far less resign. That’s just the way it is when you have a kleptocratic, pretend Parliament.
Is their no formal, legal mechanism where they can properly be held to account?
Is this the kind of banana republic that we have become?
Dick-unfortunately this is so.
Many other countries (in Europe and further afield) have known about the state of the UK and its corruption for many years-unfortunately(up till now) this had been with-held from (most) of the UK populace due to the MSM censorship
Robinson “Ask any MP and they’ll insist that you don’t get rich by going into politics”.
He aint asked
Blair, Mandelson, Hoon, Prescott, Hague and Straw then
… or Hain, Balls/Cooper, etc. etc.
Wealth is relative, as they are all unemployable in a normal world, £10,000 a year would be their average salary, they therfore are rich.
Folks, I know you may think the BBC is just a Government patsy, but the Evan Davis filleting of Harpie Harman this morning was just an exquisite fisking of the whole shenanigans, and he really got under her skin – she was getting very ratty indeed by the end.
He really had the facts at his fingertips and wasn’t letting her off the hook – not always easy when she is a lawyer with a nasty tendency to play the old ‘vile sexist’ get-out-of-jail-free card.
On this link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8039000/8039503.stm
Quote, at end.
Harman.
“I don’t want people to believe that all MPs are corrupt and the system is rotten.”
It is manifestly obvious to even the most brainless amoeba that all MPs are corrupt and the system is rotten.
Will those MPs who can prove otherwise, please do so.
You will be re-elected.
She lies like a cheap Chinese watch
Yes, it was very good. Suspect he’s had a bollocking already. Certainly Naughtie wasn’t too happy about it.
Would have been even better if John Humphreys had been interviewing her.
At the end of Today, Naughtie signed off with a selected e-mail that took pop at private sector fat cats and that this scandal was being over-played.
What an out-of-touch and biased hoon.
Sent by McPoison, presumably. Perhaps they will be able to find him now.
Today’s reports beggar belief.
Jack Straw “guessed” the amounts of Council Tax to be reclaimed. If any of us just “guessed” our fiscal obligations we’d be in big trouble.
Mind you as GB spent 11 years “guessing” the state of the public finances and TB’s claim about Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction were based on nothing more than “guesswork” we should not be surprised by these revelations.
These people ask for our respect but are incapable of acting correctly when it comes to their expenses. Their houses change status to maximize expenses and CGT free gains on sale.
The PM talks about a moral compass. Rubbish. They’ve had their noses in the trough for years and now they’ve been rumbled it’s all the “system’s” fault. Pathetic.
It was a good guess though, wasn’t it?
yeah it was over not under
Their political judgment is no better than their personal morality. There should be penalties for failure.
Wow according to Snot gobbler Mp’s have to work in two places at once,for f*ck sake so do thousands of others,make these fraudsters pay back the money and use the tax rules we all have to use to claim for expenses
Exactly.
One law for us and another one for them. If the tax rules aren’t good enough for them, then they should change them.
Let the public claim against tax liability on the same basis as MP’s! Make tax payment voluntary, except for MP’s! Confiscate all gains made through politics!
How most of these self serving BASTARDS have the affront to call themseves “honourable” members beggars belief!!
A bunch of self serving fraudsters the vast majority of them “acting within the rules”
What rules? rules of the swine herd?
Can I claim my red mist against expenses? That twat boss of mine wants to fine me next. Bastards want a right twatting.
Why the fuck does the Ginger Stump need to claim for 3 homes? Surely she could live in a cupboard in Slapper Jacqui’s boxroom. And that would still leave a quiet corner for Tosser Timney to pound the pork.
But if she did need to move 3 times, why didn’t she take her furniture from one home to the next, instead of claiming for new each time? Like all us other fuckers have to.
coz when you rent them out you get more money when they are furnished. Simples.
Ohh didn’t mean to say that
She needs the space to store all her nuts and berries for the winter.
lol
Maybe she forgot where she put one of her homes.
don’ t you need planning permission for a tree house these days?
So now we know why Gordon went on Youtube manic grin and all, making out as if he was going to sort out MP’s “expenses”.
He obviously had a tip off that Brogan was about to expose him for the cheat that he is and decided to get the first salvo of the war in.
Anyway..away from all the spleen venting,there is a rather nice subliminal to all this ……
It is now quite clear that the Media,en masse,feels perfectly free,and well disposed to, kicking the living shit out of the Government and Brown.
This is a welcome development,and can only mean that ‘they’ can smell the downfall of this stinking,parasitical cesspit executive.
Apart from the BBC perhaps….
This was the response from Blears spokesperson
“A spokesperson for Hazel Blears told the Telegraph: “All Hazel Blears’ claims for parliamentary allowances are in line with the rules, and have been approved by the House of Commons authorities – the Fees Office.”
I don’t want a fucking spokesperson to explain to me you fucking sanctimonious troughing sleazy hypocritical dumb fucking cow. I want you stood there explaining to me why you are stealing our money? As for the fees office sack the lot of the twats.
Forgive them, for they know not what they do.
Unfortunately, they do
Is it because Parliaments last around 5 years that MP’s buy their TVs from John Lewis who give a 5 year warranty on all their sets?
Surely, for maximum personal value the time to buy a new TV would be right at the end of a Parliament when you might be up for your P45. Wouldn’t want your TV to go on the blink and having to useyour own money to pay for a new one would you.
Good point.
It would make very interesting analysis to see what MPs claim for in the last 18 months or so of a Parliament. Especially those who have marginal constituencies.
The next 12 months should see a big boost to the TV manufacturers.
Gonna be a world-wide shortage of bathplugs.
On another topic previously discussed I intimated that I had submitted a petition to the No 10 petition site about David Abrahams’s £600,000 that had not been repaid as yet.
Winging its way back this morning from no 10 was this reply.
” Hi,
I’m sorry to inform you that your petition has been rejected.
Your petition was classed as being in the following categories:
* Party political material
Your petition reads:
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to: ‘ensure as
Leader of the Labour Party to repay the £600,000 illegally
contributed to the Labour Party immediately’
— the ePetitions team”
Now, I believe this was a justifiable petition and should have been accepted.
It had not been submitted before so no good reason to reject it I believe.
Running scared of another petition that would rocket and gather momentum against a corrupt organisation.
Party political material? Can’t see it myself. They obviously haven’t got a ‘truth hurts’ category.
Reply to them, and copy in the Parliamentary Standards chap
It is NOT up to the fucking fees office. It is up to the ‘HONURABLE MEMBER’!!
When is a journalist going to actually do their fucking job and stop accepting shit from these Hoons!
So, have the police been called in to trace the source of this massive leak?
My money says no!
I’m sure Miss Jacqboots is working on that as we write.
Handsome Dave…
I’m guessing that the third party contractor they out-sourced the laundering of their expenses to had a naughtly little chap who took in a USB stick. Can’t wait to buy records of folks medical details off the internet. We’ll soon know what variety of contraceptives Hazel Blears uses and the many and various STD’s of the many and various MPs.
And as for ID cards. One USB and you’re laughing. Or at least the Russian mafia will be laughing.
“contraceptives Hazel Blears uses” -
I think not. It has been proven that human beings and aliens cannot cross fertilise.
“We’ll soon know what variety of contraceptives Hazel Blears uses”
You now owe me not only the cost of cleaning my suit,but also the bacon sandwich residing on it……
That visual is too awful to stomach….Blears shagging!!!!!!!!!!!!
…and what man would even consider it?
Answer that not…..
I guess there may be people with ‘specialist interests’ who find Blears attractive – but can’t imagine any normal male would go anywhere near the repulsive little freak.
Move along now, there’s nothing to see…
Straw says his fraudulent claim was “an error I wish hadn ‘t happened”. That’s just what Derek Draper said yesterday. It turns out Derek Draper is morally superior to the Secretary of State for Justice because at least he resigned.
While you’re exp[ressing regrets over ‘little errors that you wish hadn’t happened’ how about Iraq? Or ID cards. Or the repeal of double jeopardy. Or photo drivers licences. Or 42 day detention without charge? Or loss of the right to silence?
How the fuck did they sneak past you? A fucking lawyer of all people. I could understand them sneaking past some imbecile like Jacqui Smith or Ed Balls. But a lawyer. A guy who on day one, as part of their legal training, will have had explained the genesis of these important legal safeguards.
When was the decision made that expenses details had to be published?
When did Jack Straw notice his error?
I’m curious.
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New washers and bath plugs at B&Q?
Blair, Brown & Co (who are the architects of the ‘rules’) obviously got the idea for their expenses from their overrated TaxCredit wheeze – advertised as money with your name on it.
So they introduced a scheme for themselves – our money with their name on it.
I’ve a feeling this is going to snowBALLS – surely the DT can’t keep it all COOPERed up much longer?
What kind of cleaner uses a contract? Mine can hardly bleeding speak, never mind write a contract.
And aren’t cleaners a classic example of the black economy i.e. un-declared, cash-in-hand income?
THE CLEANING LADIES CHAR BREAK
Harriet: “…Morning Haze how’s the cleaning going round your boss’s gaff…”
Hazel: ” …don’t get me started luv…..that geezer Andy’s a filthy bastard……the shower is dirtier than my Jim’s allotment…”
Harriet: “…you should see big Gordy’s flat……walls covered in pizza, broken Nokias littering the hall, printer ink all over the carpet…”
Hazel: “… my Jim says they should all be wearing ASBO’s……..”
Harriet: “…bloody vandals…..hey luv how are you getting paid…cash….invoice?..”
Hazel: “..come off it Harri….. folding stuff….in black….the guvnor says that as I’m on less than 25 quid there’s no need for an invoice…..what about yerself?…”
Harriet: “….good for you Haze…I’ll need to speak to my guvnor too see if I can be paid in readies….problem is I never see ‘im…….it’s one of the family that settles up…… good tip about the 25 quid limit….”
Hazel: ” ..good on you gal….got to take advantage of the system….shouldn’t be a problem…..this lot know every wheeze in the book…..”
As a middle of the road floating voter who has just awoken to the political sleaze I can not get my breath. I have signed the petition on No10′s website and just wish the election had been called so we, the public, can give our judgement.
Harman will be PM by the end of the month. And there WON’T be a GE until next year.
Nurse!!!!!!!
This was all within the rules.
This is very small beer indeed.
The Teleghraph should be ashamed of such journalistic practices that besmirch the good honourable members.
If you think these revelationas are bad, thank goodness you taxpayers cannot get access to the BBCs expenses – your toenails would curl then.
And remember, at least our honourable members are not as corrupt as the European Parliament.
Rocking horses gather a lot of dust you know.
Was cleaner required in Gordon Browns flat to clear up all the broken bits of printers, mobile phones, pens and staplers?
If Brown was Chancellor from 1997 and had no11 drowning strasse why are we paying anything towards a flat he has in London,before that I would agree as he had to work in London but after he’s taking the piss.
No, read Tom Bowers Book, apparently he lived like a pig, therefore the extra cost of cleaning
Pig or not, he was still living in Downing St. not a private flat.
It wasn’t for cleaning his flat. It was for cleaning his trousers.
Assuming it’s not top secret, like all the other Conservative policies, or to be more accurate, non policies, what are the Conservative proposals on allowances and expenses?
Why don’t you email them and ask? This isn’t a Conservative Party website.
Like me you don’t know.
Or are you just coy?
Just do as the ladyb says,oaf
Anything but coy
But it strikes me that this isn’t the best place to find out the information.
Government can only govern with the support of the governed. Since the zanulab cretins no longer have that support and won’t go, perhaps it’s time for some serious action. In any other country there would have been rioting on the streets by now.
These thieving bastards need to be run out of parliament in abject disgrace for what they have done…
It won’t happen of course. We’ll just moan about it after a nice dinner and tut, tut, tut a lot at the office. The reason this rubbish government has no backbone is because the country has no backbone anymore and the bastards in the bunker know that.
We said that about the Police they could only Police with the aid of the public, look what we have now, we have a Stasi
A bit O/T but check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
madelson on sky right now, what a slimy slimy creep “its all within the rules”
mandelson…typo !…im so fucking angry…..whats also pisses me of is that its just started pissing down, and i was gonna walk to the pub for a cheeky pint and a cig in the sun !!!!, never rains but it pours
Mandy is on Sky saying he’s the victim of the “tory-supporing Daily Telegraph”
Is he suggesting the expense claims have been forged? Did someone else submit the claims in his name?
For a ” samll beer” ??
Definitely damage limitation. Mandy playing a blinder in the “save the labour MP” game.
Shouldn’t this collective shower of s*** be summarily executed a la Ciaocescu or however you spell it?
I can never understand why someone hasn’t taken a pop at these bastards. Not me, I’m a pacifist.
Ha, that’s a great definition of pacifism. Get someone else to do the killing.
There must be numerous MPs on here today.
Can just one come on here using his / her real name and claim to be happy that all claims were not just within the rules but within the spirit of the rules.
I must admit that I felt a little uneasy having to supply an email address for the No. 10 petition
A fine state of affairs when you are more fearful of the State than you’re average mugger or terrorist.
This adminstration are worried about us voting for a party which espouses the politics of hate. Wake up call…… WE FUCKING HATE YOU!.
Apart from following me into the woods, they can’t do much more to me in any case!
If any incoming administration had any balls then they would backdate an inquiry into the fraud and mal admisistration that has gone on since 1997.
War crimes being the worse case which has cost thousands of lives.
Don’t feel uneasy, when they get kicked out at the next election, the new Government will inherit Labour’s snooping laws, and the hunter will become the hunted. Can’t wait.
You do not have to provide an address, or at any rate a valid one.
Verification is done by email.
Nuke them from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.
We could locate the Samson dirty bomb under London and detonate that.
I’m sure we could get the detonator from you know who.
IT STRIKES ME THAT WE HAVE AN ILLEGAL CARTEL RUNNING THE COUNTRY FOR ITS’ OWN BENEFIT.
We all know that for the past several years inflation has been at 20-25% yet interest rates were set artificially low..the figures were and still are fraudulent……adding to the huge rise in property prices………now look who had an incredibly vested interest.tony blair,gordon brown,mandy .the whole effing lot of peoples champions….all working hard for poor people………yet stealing the poor peoples money at the same time!
THIS IS SERIOUS FRAUD!
Secondly it would seem that we have a totally compliant bunch of toadies that will never uphold standards or reject expense claims. Why? Because these people are just another bunch who are looking after themselves!
Who are the people giving out the money fr bathplugs etc?
who are the ones lying about inflation?
Have they no shame? no spine? (rhetorical question).
I want to know the names and salaries of these tossers and i want them to explain how such blatant fraud is condoned.
there are seven million people in the uk who need a job………..
we can replace the fat pigs in 5 minutes!!!!!!!!!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Its getting too much watching the smarmy deputy bitch answering questions re expenses in the usual condescing manner while blinking as there was an eyelash stuck in her eye.
A pure ego-trip.
Says everything about the state of UK politics when some chairperson of this calibre can achieve high office on the basis its got a slit between the legs -(well I presume so?)
OT..but corus due to be “mothballed” and about 200 jobs to go..
WELL FUCKING DONE GORDON, how far can a government fuck up a country, rip off its “citizens”, and not one single one be charged
do we realy have to put up with this for another 12 fucking months…im furious, fucking furious ….and its still fucking raining !!!!
Jonah visits Corus
http://www.northantset.co.uk/news/See-our-video-of-Gordon.4979954.jp
2000 jobs…must not type in anger !!!
So let me get this straight.
When Jack straw heard that the High court ruled that MPs expenses must be published, Jack Straw immediately repaid the council tax that he had wrongly (fraudulently) claimed?
correct..
move along please nothing to see here now
And only when Brown was told by the Telegraph about double claim for some plumbing did he repay the second claim.
What does this prove? At the very least the MPs are not exercising any dilligence in reviewing expense claims to be submitted on their behalf by their assistants, before they are submitted. Alternatively, they are submitting the claims themselves. Either way they are meant to carry the can for these mistakes. That they are not at all concerned about double claims and specious claims is evidence the consequences are not severe enough.
Does anyone know if the disc of expenses also include what the Fees Office turned down? That would be as enlightening as what MPs have managed to trough.
It takes a courageous person to pay back money that was claimed fraudulently after decisions are taken to publish said details.
Courage of the highest order.
If these were “real” people, they’d be in the nick answering some tough questions.
Why aren’t they?
Jack Straw
Says its a normal thing that may happen.
Strange I pay my own council tax
Don’t forget that the pie-eating oaf failed to pay his council tax on one of his many residences for some years. The usual ‘administrative error’ of course. The rest of us would have to face the consequences.
Prescott wan’t it or are they all just forgettful fucks?
I’m particularly peeved about council tax because I’ve had a claim for a 25% tax reduction rejected – for a time when I didn’t have a job last year and didn’t claim benefits for 5 weeks.
Ministers earn how much? £70k? £80k? The figure doesn’t matter because, it’s lots and yet they can claim their tax back from us.
A huge thank you to the Minister for Injustice. Be grateful that you’re not my MP
http://thatsnews.blogspot.com/2009/05/brown-studies-nation-moans.html
“Brown Studies. A Nation Moans…”
And can we have the name of the male MP who claimed for 2 packets of Tampax?
The answer to that question,I know not….but it Blears would not be,as beach towels are requirement of I think her.
Sorry I am…omitted I did to say ‘shagging’ Blears he is not.
Shit, coffee everywhere. Thanks!
Blears wont need a real tampax a fucking cotton bud on a stick would be more use for the poison dwarf
Perhaps they were supposed to stop the haemorrhaging of taxpayers’ money through his expense account?
We do lots of this information
Perhaps ‘he’ is a pre-op and getting some practice in.
Within the rules. What utter shite.
Every single scurrilous claim made was a POSITIVE CHOICE by an MP, no-one held a gun to their head. They took the time – which we also paid for – to sit down and fill in forms to make their absurd claims
They fought tooth and nail – using our money again – to stop their claims being published. Why? Because they knew damned well that the claims they had made were fraudulent pure and simple.
They done somersaults to successfully censor addresses on their receipts. Why? Because those addresses laid bare the many MILLIONS pilfered from the public purse.
The system’s wrong blah blah must be changed blah blah quickly as possible blah blah. Yeah right. This lot have been in power for over a decade, and so were the previous lot. All that time milking the system for every penny they could. Christ, even after FOI had forced their hand they waited until the eleventh hour before getting off their arses – another day another tax-pound.
Resignations? Prosecutions? Ha fuckin’ Ha.
Do we actually need MPs? Well no, the further they drag us into the EU – what fuckin’ referendum? – the more they function as glorified clerks. Very expensive glorified clerks.
If anyone’s got the rope, I’ve got the time and inclination.
Yes. Every claim was premeditated. They were told to fill their boots and they did. They then claimed for the boots as well.
I’m a badger’s ringpiece!
Tra laa,
Master Baiter
Hello Guidoaf Orcs,
A bit in the shade now aren’t you?
Just this happy bunch of dimwitted dinosaur prey.
You can always go back to pizza delivery.
Who wants yesterday’s blogger?
Desperate, even by your low standards.
You are a complete fuckwit. Still laughing at you, a lot.
It’s all right for you. You’re paid out of our taxes, no doubt.
“Who wants yesterday’s blogger?”
Nobody. So fuck off Derek.
Cassius fisks Jack Straw
http://cassiuswrites.blogspot.com/2009/05/lets-begin-with-mr-straw.html
A couple of hundred of us spread around the country could bring this shower of tenth-rate bastards down in two weeks. Block a few main roads, like we did in 2000. Tens of thousands of drivers would join in and slow the motorways to a John ‘I Stuffed Myself Till I Was Diabetic’ Prescott amble. Stop some of the fuel coming out of the depots. Stop some of the food arriving at shithole Tesco, the company that’s destroyed more green open spaces than any other. Then wait for the GENERAL election.
Slow down the traffic on the motorways by driving at 40mph. It would have several effects – block the economy (what’s left of it); use less fuel (less revenue for Darling) and mean that the cameras wouldn’t be getting £60 every few seconds (ditto revenue).
Nothing illegal about it, but if enough people joined in – it wouldn’t actually take all that many – the country would be on its knees through people power within a few hours.
Modern cars achieve their optimal fuel consumption at rather higher speeds than 40mph. Even during the oil crisis of the 1970s the US set the national speed limit at 55mph because it was the most fuel efficient speed back then (most only had 3 speed automatic transmissions in the US).
Bugger the fuel consumption. What about bringing the unelected, one-eyed, humourless, pettifogging, sleaze-slinging, bullying, hypocritical, shit-eating, control-freak, Gurkha-fucking Scottish bastard and his slithering scum down in a shower of Brown particles?
There is a legal maxim that states that we are all equal before the law and the law takes precedence over the MP’s own rules, therefore Jacqui Smith MP should be behind bars awaiting trial for fraud, deception, theft, tax evasion and being a total and complete hoon.
A plea for balance.
With parliament sitting less and less often and most of our legislation coming from Europe, it’s quite understandable that our elected politicians should overcome their boredom by some mild property development in the best Phil and Kirsty tradition. Sort of occupational therapy really.
Spare a thought for our hard-working MEPs and Commissioners who are now responsible for 75% of our laws. In the interests of fair play, can we be reassured that their arrangements are just as generous and user friendly.
Is there anybody with experience of both systems who could advise us?
“With parliament sitting less and less often and most of our legislation coming from Europe, it’s quite understandable that our elected politicians should overcome their boredom by some mild property development in the best Phil and Kirsty tradition. Sort of occupational therapy really.”
Fine, but we shouldn’t be paying for it!
Quite simple – these people are in a position of trust. If we can’t trust them, don’t vote for them!
I’m looking forward to the 4th of June …….. a General Election this summer …….?
You will be disappointed sir.May 6th 2010
6th May is a date that keeps being bandied about – how can it be the case. The last election was on 5th May 2005, so surely the next one has to be held by that date in 2010?
I may well be being a bit dense here, and appreciate that it’s only one day’s difference, but if someone could explain this for me, I’d be grateful.
Isn’t it that the parliament is automatically dissolved 5 years after it started, but then there is a 3 week period of electioneering before the vote is held?
The European and County Council elections are on the 4th June ……… perhaps the result will trigger a vote of “no-confidence” in the Government if labour get mauled , hence triggering a summer General Election!
We all live in hope……
Simon Jenkins in the Guardian writes
Brown can lead a rally and win the next election. All he needs is a war
He is right and worse I fear that Gordon knows it.
Maybe he can start a war but the only soldiers he will be able to use are toy soldiers from a shop,our guys a still too busy in sandy places and we don’t have many left in the reserve.
Er, no.We are fighting one in Afghanistan and have been humiliated in Iraq.There is no appetite for further engagements nor are there the troops
The Nepalese make cheap and willing soldiers.
We’ve just pulled out of one, and are still fighting another (and that’s excluding the domestic “war on terror”). The forces lack resources to pick a fight anywhere else. A civil war seems more likely than a foreign one. Either way, I think a war would actually sink this government, not save it.
Check out the photo of Dianne Abbot on her website:
http://www.dianeabbott.org.uk/
Is it me or does it say “Loooon” behind her !? I know she reads the site, HI DIANNE.
Oh wait, here it is:
http://www.dianeabbott.org.uk/upload/images/Home%20page%20banners/for%20website%202.jpg
That’ll be Pakistan then. Brown has been arsing around saving the banks and trying to discredit his opponents, while the Taliban has moved into Pakistan, banned female education throughout the Swat Valley and destroyed 400 schools.
There is an inevitabilty about Brown’s reluctance to upset Pakistan, as the Labour vote in the UK’s Pakistani ghettos will be decimated. He has tried to divide the UK Pakistani community by portraying some as urban terrorists. Meanwhile the Taliban is only 100 miles from Islamabad.
After WMD who would believe him, apart from Master Baiter and Charles Hardwidge, to name but one.
Lasciate ogni esperanza voi qu’entrada
Were they “regular” or “super”? Speaking as a female the ‘regular’ would be ok for soaking up the first 20K or so. But if you’re going for the big time with 3 or 4 houses, you would need ‘super’. Remember to change them regularly and read the instructions carefully.
Prescott claimed for two lavatory seats on his expenses
Two Jags = Two Bogs
That or the fat Hoon broke them all with his massive fat arse
Probably shite a few bricks in his time.
If I tried to get away with that receipt Brown submitted, the Inland Revenue would laugh at me and then roger me to death with the latest tax regulations manual.
“Small minority”, my arse. There are a handful of MPs who are NOT doing this shit. The rest are venal, stuffing their pockets with taxpayer cash as fast as they can while singing “it’s within the rules”.
Apparently there is one honest MP, a Tory called Hollobone or somesuch.
Come on, what do the Conservatives have to say about allowances and expenses?
They’re strangely silent, no definitely can hear a few knees knocking.
Why not ask them?This is not a Conservative site.Silly bunt
Charlie Baiter, so visible by your absense last evening when the news broke.
What news breaking was that?
Oh the news that completely blind sided GuidOaf Orcs you mean, the Torygraph’s MP’s allowances splash?
Good headlines, but as usual the content was a distinct anti climax.
Turned out to be more of a dribble really.
Conservative Party keeping silent and its collective head down doesn’t stop the sound of their knees knocking ringing all around.
Did anyone see that shining beacon of freedom and probity on Question Time?
You know who?
OK, a clue, she was caked in shiny greasy makeup and apparently had been botoxed by an orangutan gripped by a cocaine induced psychotic frenzy.
You’ve got it?
Well done.
The only thing I can recall from Question Time is that odious Scottish (aren’t they all) Labour guy saying he thought it was ok to keep innocent people’s DNA on file for longer than the European Court of Human Rights thinks it is necessary.
Once again the evil face of authoritarian Labour.
It takes a real shit to come on these forums and support such a party.
No wonder you choose to remain anonymous and snipe on forums, if you expressed your views in public you’d likely get a Glasgow kiss for your troubles, and rightly so you treacherous, mendacious hoon.
I’m so sorry Anon Misog. I named you wrongly. Its MB who is the Misog on this site. For some reason he is utterly obsessive about women who wear make up – he regularly posts as Old Bat (thinks its funny) and asks me if I’m wearing any. I find it very creepy. He’s got sooo many issues I don’t know where to start. However, perhaps he could start by giving his take on the current expenses fiasco, perhaps, for once, being non party political…..? Or is that too much to ask?
A.K.A “It’s fine because everyone is doing it”
It takes an odious hoon to come here and support such a shit government, but thanks for the entertainment.
I do hope you take your political support to the streets, so you can taste some of the public anger first hand.
But then you are a supporter of Courage Brown, so there’s as much chance of that happening as there is of Gordon putting the country before his own ambition….zero.
Who has been in power for twelve years, ample time to reform the system?
Who promised to reform the House of Lords, and replaced it with a system where the government can sell off peerages to those who donate to the Labour party?
The fact is, yes the system stinks.
However, Labour have been in charge and could have fixed it. The Tories have been in opposition.
So anything that reflects badly on the other parties by default reflects even worse on the incumbent government.
That’s why they will be (at best) the third party come the election (when Courage has the balls to call one, the weak little turd).
At least we know know what Gormless Broon meant by saving the economy ‘spend spend spend’. It was a coded message to Parliament.
‘Time is short, we’re going to be found out, spend while you can’
Regarding names for our ‘honourable’ MP’s I think they should all just be renamed ‘Jack’.
I’m alright Jack.
Just submitted a complaint to the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police.
Fraud is being alleged by millions of people against the highest levels of Government. The Commissioner has the power and responsibility to initiate an investigation.
Pressure from ANYONE to the Police should be made to investigate this scandal.
Even if ‘they were following the rules’ it is obvious that many allegations of fraud will emerge that need to be put before a jury of fair minded people. let them be the judge.
If political pressure to not investigate these allegations is met then that too will show the corruption of power……… get reporting.
Agree but the Crown Prosecution Service will say, as they always do, that there’s not enough evidence.
I woke up this morning to find that the rip-off of British taxpayers by MP’s is FAR WORSE than I had ever imagined.
This is more than simple piggery.
This is more than theft.
This is WHOLESALE LOOTING.
We know they won’t resign. In that case this Parliament must be DISSOLVED BY THE QUEEN IMMEDIATELY.
What is the point of having a Monarch if she or he refuses to act in the public interest in clear cut cases of fraud such as this?
Why should we have to suffer another year of this outrageous theft being perpetrated by the Government on its own people?
There is a very old process by which the Monarch can be petitioned.Trouble is, its centuries since it has been used and no one quite knows the protocol
Seriously?
Have you got some information that can be posted here?
Ta.
We need a party with a policy to recover the value of all assets (property, TV’s, bath plugs etc) obtained by MP’s or their families using parliamentary allowances etc since 1997. The Harman Witch said the majority of MP’s enter Parliament to serve the public – in which case they shouldn’t profit from the taxpayer and should return all publicly financed assets immediately. Should be a presumption that MP’s have unjustly enriched themselves unless they can prove otherwise. Some chance with the current lot!
I’m a sad little Labour activist who peddles the tripe of a discredited and bust government, fronted by a saggy piss stained, deluded, mental patient.
Jeez, what does it make me?
McBride (oops)
You’ll feel better for that.Anyhow, the rest of us do
‘Ere, stop messin’ about!
What of the two testicles? No mention of Ed and Yvette why is this do you suppose. Is their expenses sooooooo juicy that only a sunday Ttelegraph exposure is suitable?
we need to know
News of the World
May even make the sunday sport.
Yeah this one is for Sunday i think
Haha Broon blames the system.
What a cock this man is. That lot fucking created the damn system in the first place.
Do’nt foreget the hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money the speaker used trying to stop this, we wait in great anticipation for his revelations.
Can’t wait to see his expenses….could be the end for Gorbals.
I’ve just read on the BBC website a quote from Mandy claiming that the Telegraph published the details “to provoke public anger”.
Now how could it possibly provoke anger? After all, everything was within the rules and done in good faith? Wasn’t it?
Seems to be a bit of an inconsistency there.
He’s also talking about smears! And I don’t mean cervical….
Can it be a smear if it’s true?
Labourgraph has changed to Guidograph.
Mandi and Deripaska will sort out Barclays with a handsome 1p offer, they can’t refuse.
Braitain has never had it so good as us MPs.
We came into politics to make a difference – a difference to our bank balances.
Is it just me or this not funny any more?
I have joined in the general merriment of the whole thing, but I have just tried to read the Telegraph take on the subject and I am very close to tears. Tears of rage and sadness!
What has happened to this country? Where have the morals gone? Their only defense is that it is all within the rules! Don’t they see that the rules are obviously mis-guided at best? Don’t they see what they are doing? What they have done to us and to the country?
They are all as bad. We are only concentrating on Labour as they are in government, but I assure you they are all as bad!
What can we do? Really, what can we do?
Tears are now runnng down my face as I type.
The name of this site might offer some practical solutions.
I want to make it clear that I have not claimed for 3 houses in 1 year unlike that archcrap stirrer Hazel Chipmunk Blears Minister for Uselessness
Her houses must be in a shambolick state , seeing as how she wastes so much of her time biting at Der Fuehrer and Prime Mentalist’s bum.
Mind you , he can loan her a cleaner for her 3 houses.
At a price, of course.
His brother doesn’t come cheap.
Britain never had it so good as us MPs.
Did anyone see that shining beacon of freedom and probity on Question Time?
You know who?
OK, a clue, she was caked in shiny greasy makeup and apparently had been botoxed by an orangutan gripped by a cocaine induced psychotic frenzy.
You’ve got it?
Well done.
you said this already you prat. and what is it with you and attractive women? were you spurned as a callow youth?
You know who it is though, don’t you?
Why don’t we see her on the telly more often?
The comment on allowances has been made, good headlines, content an anti climax, Torygraph piece less of a splash and more of a dribble. Conservative Party deadly silent on the subject of allowances and expenses apart from the sound of collective knees knocking.
Finally, what is the Conservative Party position on MPs allowances and expenses?
Do you know?
Because nobody else seems to have a clue.
any MP regardless of party, who has been on the fiddle should be sacked. Don’t you agree?
Iain Dale has the outrageous cheek to suggest that Der Fuehrer and Prime Mentalist has knowingly overpaid his cleaner.
The answer is simple.
Snotgobbler is a dirty Hoon.
Britain has never had it so good as us MPs.
One wonders if the Telegraph didn’t fork out for these receipts to reclaim some of its lost credibility over the McBride affair…
Gordon’s Boom & Bust Beat – 8 Variations in Sleaze Major
Hopefully the DT is saving it for a ‘crooked couples’ special, there are several of them at it.
Jeffrey Donaldson MP works 18 hour days and has turned down better paid jobs so that he could serve his constituents, you know.
Looking forward to checking his expenses too.
I have had enough. What is the point of waiting for the next election? They are all at it. We need to call time on the entire shebang right now. Take them all by the collar, lead them from the palace of Westminster and lock the door. Shut the place down so we can get our breathe back from being legislated at by criminals and give ourselves at least a year off from the scum. How about desending on Westminster flash mob style?…if you can get 500 people dancing, unannounced at a main line railway station surely we can muster 20,000 in Parliament Square next week.
Mandy said:- ‘The fact is that these allowances would not have been paid if they weren’t within the rules.’ This is true. In the UK homosexuality is “within the rules” but that does not prevent the majority of the UK population being absolutely sickened by it.
Most people who are sickened by homosexuality are just suppressing their own homosexual desires. Most of us couldn’t care less what other people get up to in the privacy of their own bedrooms.
DOM. Of course you are right. I have this overwhelming desire to ram the rough end of a broom right up your ass.
Hazel Blears is still laughing, just saw her on Sky, no wonder if she is the proud owner of three properties, and kitted out by the taxpayer, absolutely fab I would think!
Whilst these abuses are criminal, there appears to be an abuse that either nobody knows about or nobody cares about, and that is the obscene wages paid to Local Authority CEO’s some are on double the prime ministers wage and for what? there isn’t a local authority in the country that is not just as corrupt as this Government, they are so busy spying on everyone abusing the anti terrorist powers and treating all citizens as potential criminals or terrorists that they cannot even carry out the simplest of tasks that they are supposed to do. They are supposed to look after the welfare of the people in their authority and yet all we get is abuse.
They allways make cutbacks to the most important things like education, roads, and the simplest like emptying the bins, cut the wages and change the work contracts of those who carry out essential tasks but never a cut in wages for the elite.
“MPs have become millionaires from property portfolios financed out of taxpayer’s money, they have incredibly generous pension packages worth £30,000 a year.”
If the pigs in the trough manage to pay themselves even more in exchange for their allowances, their pensions will be even higher – as salary is pensionable – allowances are generally not.
Nice work if you can get it!!!
I had a drream of forming a ‘one term only’ party – Peoples Reform Party? Anyone can join for a £. Might even get people who have done some public service or run something.
Suggested reforms:
1. Parliamentary elections every four years at fixed dates
2. An overnight allowance if MPs have to stay in London
3. Reduce MP numbers to 500 – elected under PR – (my constituency (Brentford) has one MP with 84,000 electors; something called Na h-Eileanan an Iar gets an MP with 22,000 electors)
4. Referendums can be called if 5% of the voters request one. Result binding for 20 years.
5. Upper House (100 members?) to be elected
6. Fix tax rates -government has to live within its means (suggestion – no one pays tax on first £12,000; married couples with children under 5 can use their allowances ‘jointly’. Then basic rate of tax 35% + Local income tax up to 5%
and current level of VAT.
Paid for – abolish all quangos! (£64 bm?) All other allowances go.
SOME SOCIAL POLICY!!
7. Three convictions and offenders serve ten years. Almost impossible to find any offender who re-offends havind done ten years.
8. Take the education budget give 50% to those in primary education to be paid as a voucher. Same principle for secondary education (40%) and 10% for third level.
9. Party disappears as soon as this happens – all power coorupts.
And here is just the form to use!
https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/benefitfraud/
I am puzzled by Jack Straws council tax error. Assuming he had not memorised his annual council tax presumably when preparing his expenses claim he must surely have looked at his council tax notice to obtain the figures which I assume would show the discounted amount. How is the error possible?
It’s not possible, Straw only paid it back when he realised he could not prevent that information becoming public.
“Its all within the rules i say! All above board! All legal! I am entitled to it!”
Using the above as a guide, apply that same argument to murderers and rapists.
If they made the “rules” and then followed them, murdering and raping as they went, would it still be morally right to be “within the rules”?
And furthermore, if its “all within the rules, i have done nothing wrong!”, the question; Why attempt to have it covered up then you lying, excrement covered swine? needs to be asked.
Now if youll exuse me, im orf to put the new Bentley on Blears expense account and a pair of expensive hookers on Jaqui’s, its not as tho youll mind, after all its all entirely within the rules and i am entitled to it.
Anyone know a good Exorcist?
nemo debet esse iudex in propria causa
More commonly known as: nemo iudex in causa sua.
(No one [should be] a judge in their own cause.)
Typically suspended when Magistrates’ Courts judge cases brought by Speed Camera Partnerships of which they are paid members. Magna Carta died years ago anyway.
And now you can get your own goodies on your expenses, after all, it’s “within the rules”…..(it was only a matter of time)
check out http://www.withintherules.com