Savage Solidarity
May 3 was World Press Fredom Day, the government waited an extra day before publishing a ban on a list of people for thoughtcrimes. Index on Censorship has some highlights of the list, many of those banned are unsavoury and undesirable. Guido’s test is simple – do they advocate violence? If not, then just because you disagree with them is no reason to ban them.
Jacqui Smith employs doublethink to say
The government supports freedom of expression, but believes it needs to be exercised responsibly. We will continue to oppose extremism in all its forms.
There is nothing wrong with extremism per se; “extremism in defence of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice no virtue”. One woman’s extremist is another man’s progressive radical. By all means keep out known advocates of violence, this measure however is not the thin edge of the wedge, it is the thick end of a jackboot. The American conservative, radio shock-jock* Michael Savage is not going to kill anyone, nor as far as Guido is aware has Savage ever advocated terrorism. If merely loudmouthed shock-jocks can be banned, who will be next?
Martin Bright recently commented that it was “surreal” to see Guido supporting Index on Censorship, the liberal leaning, free speech pressure group. Not sure why he said that, in Guido’s lifetime freedom of speech has been much more cherished on the right than the left. Anyway, self-preservation is always a personal priority…
*Iain Dale is a conservative, radio shock-jock nowadays.
How many people has Ken Livingstion advocated murdering?
I know he supports murdering the Saudi Royal Family.
Can someone get a list so that he could be arrested and Jacqui “cleenex” Smith’s hypocracy can be emphasised?
I think you mean Michael Savage, not Mark.
Good point, though. Martin Bright is a fairly decent guy but he is silly to suggest that a libertarian blogger like Guido would not take a hard line against censorship.
Who the hell is Martin Bright?
I think the libel laws place some limits on freedom of speech, Guido…?
I don’t know why all the fuss about keeping people out of the UK. All anyone has to do is fly into Dublin and take a pleasant 2 hour car journey north to enter the UK without any checks at all. In fact one could then take a day trip to Scotland without any problem if one wanted a photo op. Michael, take note.
What about Alan Duncan? He was on HIGNFY advocating violence. As one can tell from Jacqui’s sneering televised justification for Savage’s ban, this isn’t a serious decision, but rather a political trap to try to make ‘nasty right-wingers’ defend Savage. I hope it backfires on Jacqui.
IT WILL BACKFIRE ON US, AS THE TAXPAYER WILL PICK UP THE LEGAL BILL TO DEFEND THE INDEFENSIBLE
oops sorry for shouting
Ban Miss California from the UK for her filthy sexist remarks.
Don’t tell anyone but Miss California and Obama share the same view on homosexual marriage
Under current circumstances, can we also ban Miss Piggy?
fraid not, not allowed to ban the sitting home secretary
Guido’s test is simple – do they advocate violence? If not, then just because you disagree with them is no reason to ban them.
More bull from Guido, a certain national party do not advocate violence yet Guido bans them!
Also It’s Michael Savage not Mark Savage – get it right!
He was banned because he exposes the NWO and debunks their bull.
Can’t have the fascists exposed now can we!
“a certain national party do not advocate violence yet Guido bans them”?!?!
Not only do they advocate…
THEY DO IT!
Anyone remember David Copeland and the Admiral Duncan Bombing 10 years ago? I wonder what political philosophy he represented…..
Its high time that the real freedom loving individuals of this country unite against the authoritarian BNP and the “practical” centrist LabLibCons..
Libertarians of the World UNITE!
There’s nothing hypocritical about banning a nationalist party from here.
I personally advocate free speech where violence isn’t advocated too. But if somebody I disagreed with was shouting their mouth off in my house I’d boot them out.
This is a private website. The owner, just like a houseowner, can let whoever the hell in they want and keep out anybody they don’t fancy. A reason is not needed, an argument need not be given, and it does nothing to devalue a statement of free speech advocacy.
this may be a private space and Guido can ban the BNP if he wants, but it’s not free speech when you start imposing pre-conditions. Guido may recall that the NUS used to have a No Platform for racists and fascists policy too. NUS bootboys used it as an excuse to intimidate innocent people like Harvey Procter MP and schoolteacher Ray Honeyford. Having fought against No Platform in the 80s does Guido now advocate the same?
Have explained this many times, this is private property. This site would be over-run by obssessives otherwise, obssessives who are leeching on the audience that the content produced by Guido generates. Get your own blogs. This is not a public commons like a university. There is no right to have an audience.
Well, Guido, you are correct, but so are they. You have a right to exclude anyone you care to, and your readers have the right to call you for hypocrisy when you do so.
You can defend free speech while not practising it; there’s no law against that, but it looks a little odd.
Anyone remember the 7/7 bombers?. All Labour voter’s, “you FUCKWIT”.!!!
McBride has vanished, he was to be called to give
evidence but Labour says he has vanished without
trace. Find him Guido so that we can hear his evidence
before he goes for a walk in the woods
Galileo got 20 years house imprisonment for saying the Earth goes round the Sun, just ‘cos the church didn’t like it. Is that where we’re heading?
Where we’re heading?… no, already headed Muppet!!
Try saying you disagree with the official number given for people killed by the Nazi’s during WW2… Or that you don’t believe Hamas is a terrorist organisation… Se how quickly you get perused by the EU thought police, and vilified and smeared by every politician and MSM outlet?
We’re dealing with Totalitarian Socialism here folks. Stalin had thousands murdered so no one would laugh at him. So did Hitler, Mao, PolPot and all the other Socialists.
Lets look at this from an historical perspective…. its bog standard Socialist control. Castro never killed anyone, but he does lock up lots of people – and he’s the hero of the Left.
I propose the nickname Jacqui Bootees. Not that she will be in the Cabinet for much longer.
Just for Jacqui Smith, John Savage can be heard daily via the internet 17.00-20.00hrs GMT, on a multitude of syndicated radio stations(http://radiotime.com for your preferred talk radio connection).
You can’t say that
You are not allowed to say that!
You’re not allowed to say you’re not allowed to say that. This is a free country.
Paul Boateng should be on the banned list – no-one that nasty should ever get near the UK.
Banned from the UK? Libelled by the Home Secretary? Call ImmigrantLawyers4U. 100% Lawyers. You will receive 100% of the compensation, and I will buy another flat in Bristol.
I reckon you lost about £200 grand on the two you already bought there.
if true, Wot a Tragedy – poor Cruella
MPs FAIL TO FIND AIDE McBRIDE
see BBC NEWS (polotics)
How very convenient
It might be the thick end of a jackboot, but it is also the thin end of the wedge. Given the chance, Labour will keep on taking, until we have no freedoms left. If they could outlaw political parties other than their own putrid one, they probably would.
We’ve come a long way (on the road to totalitarianism) from where we were in 1997. America, too.
Senor Guido
Your Post Timed @ 10:00
?? Have 2 of your Illustrious Commenters discovered time-travel, commenting at 07:41
We’re looking into it.
It’s deep and it’s dark.
Jaqui Smith, on Savage, said, “This is not some Terry Wogan character we are talking about here…”.
No more explanation needed.
SIR Terrence to you, Jackboots!
She’d ban Terry if she listened to his anti govt stance!
Ahh fond memories. No credit crunch for him nor his bank manager at the annual Wogan in Greed leechathon.
I’d rather she banned someone who ACTUALLY defrauds the British taxpayer and masturbates over his ill gotten gains, or someone who lives in a relative’s spare room during the week and claims that it is her main home for expense purposes.
The two examples above are far more dangerous toBritain than any loud mouthed Yank.
Jackie Smith said on TV last night “We have standards in the country.”
Obviously very low ones!
She really is beyond parody isn’t she? I wonder if she realises just how unbelievably hypocritical and stupid she appears? I expect not.
And she fails constantly to live up to them.
She didn’t specify which country?
That being the case it would be nice if Jacqui shared her standards with us.
She could start by explaining why her occasional bedsit in her sister’s home is listed, for financially questionable motives,as something completely different? What kind of standard is being portrayed by her charging an 80p bathplug and porno movies to the tax payer ?
Why hasn’t she had Baroness Uddin arrested in the House of Lords, Her house turned over and her family reduced to tears and then grilled for 8 hours in a police station for defrauding the Country of thousands of pounds by claiming an empty flat as her home bearing in mind that Damian Green was arrested and put through just such a wringer and the rest of his family terrorised by anti-terrorist officers – For Fuxx Sake – for legitimately doing his job??????????????
Smith was on TV saying that she had to maintain
standards. Does she mean the standard of porno
for hubby to wank over or the quality of bath plugs
she charges the tax payer for. Dont force her so
called standards on us and drag us into her gutter.
What a joke Jackie Spliff is. I don’t take anything she does anymore seriously.
No one does. I suspect she knows that.
It must be hard for her to drag herself out of bed in the morning. Poor cow.
Pull the udder one.
You will respect my authoritaaah!
Jacqui is Kyles mom
and she’s a bitch
” Se you incourt BITCT “.!!!
The government advocates violence therefore it should be banned.
Oh Guido ! Stop it. I think Iain Dale would look quite fetching in the ‘Guantanamo Pyjamas’…
Neo Labour ARE the extremists.
This measure is yet another example of them fulfilling some Orwellian prophesy – Neo Labour are the jackboot stamping down on the face of humanity forever.
Thought crime is here. Now.
Yes – they make it clear that everyone should be watching the political right as they are the big bad guys … then they nip in leftfield and snatch as many of our liberties as posssible.
Very sneak indeed.
Yeas, Jacqui says she will not tolerate extremism, but she doesn’t seem to have a problem with extreme stupidity. Or extreme greed.
Iain Dale ? A shock-jock ?
The only shocking thing which Dale could do on the radio would be to play some decent fucking music, instead of that middle of the road ‘lowest-common-denominator’ shite on ‘last.fm’.
This is a man with all of Cliff Richard’s records, for goodness sake.
Okay, maybe it would be a good idea to ban him…
Seconded!
Has anyone else noted the complete absence of Steely Dan from any of Mrs Dale’s recent selections?
…and those interminable boring lists of his personal preferences
I have a new theory about the Labour party. I believe that they have evolved from a completely different human species. After reading the below article and pondering Darwin s Origin of the Species, I am more and more inclined to think that they developed from an inferior one. There defensive stubbornness is due to the fact that once a long time ago they were very small and thus why they all seem to suffer from little man syndrome.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8036396.stm
Just an Idea.
Also could this be Tom Watson.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8036937.stm
Yep – that’s him alright.
Yip. Reptiles perhaps.
Was David right afterall.. reptiles in power taking over the world ?
(If so they have a pretty stupid Crockodile McMental rep-leader in the UK)
http://www.metatech.org/david_icke_and_reptilians.html
Current scientific opinion is that these strange beings are descended from the Morlocks.
Crabb on Youtube up to #7 most viewed!
For old hands of this blog you will recognise the name of a new contributor to The Daily Politics, those of you who don’t I hope you soon will:
Debbie, PA to Mr Screwtape: PROACTIVE IMPLEMENTATION OF GOAL-ORIENTED MODAL ENGAGEMENT
NuLabour is the sock puppet of the utlra socialist state control EU. We can get rid of NuLabour but not the EU until we vote to leave it. That’s why I’m voting UKIP at the Euros.
That’ll be you and 200 or so other people.
We’ll see the numbers after the election.
I’ve done so now for some years (Nigel Farage is our MEP).
There is MUCH more of this kind of thing in the Lisbon Treaty, including provision for the banning of political parties which do not support ‘ever greater union’ and the EU in priciple. You can be sure tha tif the provision is there, it will be used.
People arte very ignorant of how far this kind of thing has gone. What is being done by this Govt it small beer by comparision with what the Lisbon Treaty can permit – and we would have NO democratic control over any of it, since these matters are decided by the Commission not the EU Parliament, which is only an elaborate – and very expensive – fig leaf.
Wake up, sheeple!
Wake up to what? The BBC won’t talk about the European Communist agenda, and you get postings deleted from their forums. ITV/ITN won’t talk about it, Sky news won’t, the dead tree press won’t.
So we have an uneducated mass who won’t go online to read what has, is and continues to happen to the UK…… because they are more interested in vacuous ‘reality tv’. The UK is fucked.
A long as you don’t split ANY party’s vote that is representing the main NuLabour oopposition on the day, go for it.
I, for one, am no Nationalist, but as SNP is the party most likely to beat NuLabour in my constituency then I’m a Nationalist for the day.
ABL – anyone but Labour
I, a lifelong Tory, will also be voting UKIP: why should I vote for a Party that has not repudiated ‘The Cottager’s’ (a.k.a. ‘The Grocer’s*) ‘Tell them blatant lies…’ approach?
But ‘Europe’ is too great a gravy-train for most of them to resist.
Jethro
* Funny, isn’t it, that T***o now accounts for £6 of every £1 spent, and someone who became a ‘Dame’ (who mentioned Pantomime?)was done for flogging off Graves… No! Can’t be the same Shirley I … No, The Man of Integrity, couldn’t possibly have been in the pay of…
Watch out for Swine Flu Jacqui – with your snout firmly in the trough you and your “we have not done anything wrong” chums are prime candidates for a dose.
Do us a favour Jacqui and FUCK OFF!!!
Most of those on the list have never tried to enter Britain – it’s mostly a publicity stunt. There are a few crazy Muslims on there, but to balance them out Jacqboots added as many “crazy” non-muslims as she could find, even though most of them have no interest in coming to Britain.
“Extremism in all its forms” eh? Pretty soon it will be a crime to have an opinion at all.
Fence sitting is the English way.
I thought it was ‘hanging on in quiet desperation’..
If we are all in agreement that freedom of speech is a good thing then it follows that we have to give people the right to say whatever they wish to – whether we agree with it or not, even if we find it disgusting or offensive
One good example here is the BNP. They are going to do very well in the forthcoming elections mainly because everyone is pretending that they don’t exist. No-one will debate with them, the press won’t print anything they have to say. I personally don’t like them but by not allowing them a platform from which to speak, nobody is thinking of rational arguments against their policies.
Another is this blog, as it is almost completely uncensored, even to the point where one Labour fanboi idiot (my personal opinion of him) has spent the last two days calling everyone who disagrees with him a troll, annoying the hell out of most of us here!! We put up with this because we’re also allowed to say fuck and shit and loads of other things that we can’t say anywhere else.
We have laws in this country which define the limits of freedom of speech, such as inticement to violence but these are not applied evenly to everyone. We let in people such as this Australian doctor who lectures on how to kill yourself and thinks he can get away with having everyone sign a disclaimer saying they won’t.
This list is mainly of complete undesirables, but unless they are advocating violence (and as far as I can see this American “Shock Jock” is not, then we should – and must – allow them a platform from which to speak.
“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Familiar to anyone?
Seems that our “rights” are being dispensed with on a daily basis.
Yank, it was either Voltaire or Evelyn Hall (Voltaire’s biographer), depending on where you look it up.
There are, as I’m sure you see, big differences between the American and British attitudes to this, in the States any attempt by the government to limit speech is met with massive protest by the public at large, because they know it is a slippery slope and wars were fought over those rights.
This side of the Pond there is so much apathy that we won’t realise we have no rights or freedoms left until it is far too late. That day is not as far away as most people realise.
http://www.no2id.net
Yes, I too have fond memories of Fred Dinah
Reply, really, to your interlocutor (Sorry, Yank: big words!): John Bull is dead – killed by a combination of the war-time ‘We’re all in this together’ outlook, and the post-war ‘The man in Whitehall knows best…’ attitude. Add to that, the ‘Brussels knows best…’ outlook, and…
‘WE ARE THE PEOPLE OF ENGLAND, AND WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN YET.’
Steve I agree The situation regarding free speech & freedom of the press in this country is so bad that we have the American Senate no less passing resolutions to stop English libel judgments being enacted in America. -and why has there been no attempt to stem this threat because this gradual & largely unseen deterioration of press freedom suits the ruling class as much as it does those with money – as we have seen the rich run to the high court to stop stories being printed – we even have members of the HoC including the Speaker using the law in an attempt to stifle the press
I consider that the Damien Green affair was simply a manifestation of this governments desire to quell all comment
I agree Steve. You can’t have a free speech as a principle and then qualify it – that’s censorship. The two are mutually exclusive. But we are already censored a great deal. The government has brought in a whole book of legislation criminalising certain types of speech on the basis it is racist or homophobic for eg. and have provided aggravated versions of a number of criminal offences. If you are charged with one of these, no matter what the strength of the case against you, the CPS will prosecute to the hilt because they cannot drop these cases. For eg, if you are accused of punching someone, but the eye witness who alleges it was you is actually half blind, didn’t have their glasses on and it was a dark night, you probably won’t be charged, and if you are, the case will be dropped. However, if you are accused by the same W of punching someone whilst saying “Take that, you Paki/black/homo/whatever bastard, you will be charged and prosecuted all the way, despite the fact that the evidence is not sufficient to give a reasonable prospect of conviction. And the likely sentence will be much higher. If, however, you called someone a stupid blonde (for eg!) or fat, or ugly or ginger, that would be OK.
I despise racism and other forms of bigotry. But I would defend free speech to the hilt, short of provocation or incitement to violence, because to qualify free speech is a slippery slope. Sadly we are about half way down the piste already.
What, pray, is the difference between Smith’s position: “The government supports freedom of expression, but believes it needs to be exercised responsibly. We will continue to oppose extremism in all its forms” and Lenin’s: “It is true that liberty is precious – so precious that it must be rationed” ?
Free speech has been in more danger from the left than the right for longer than your lifetime Guido.
The difference is that Lenin could write a pithy aphorism.
Indeed. Left Wing movements have caused some of the greatest suffering in the 20th century, and have always been the chief opponents of personal liberty. It is interesting how left-wingers often accuse right wingers of being Nazis. The Nazis, contrary to popular opinion, were not right wing. They didn’t believe in free market economics for one thing!
The actually had a lot more in common with the far left.
10 Reasons the Nazis were Left-Wing
So maybe that photo of Gordon the other day had more than a nugget of truth in it?
The Nazis weren’t particularly left or right. They were authoritarian. People with a strong authoritarian bent have no real interest in whether left wing or right wing ideas are the best way of running a country – they just want to tell everyone else how to live. Then they steal everything they can for themselves. Sound anything like a ‘left wing’ government near you?
Both socialists and fascists like to dictate the way people should think.
So far left and so far right – they meet in end don’t they?
National Socialism: does that strike you as a ‘Right-Wing’ statement? Forget ‘Left-wing’ ‘Right-wing’: a French term. Both ‘The Left’ and ‘The Right’ seek to destroy
I recall that it was Margaret Thatcher who famously pointed out that facism wore two boots. One on the right; the other on the left.
Why did she have a list of 22 and name 16?
Is Deckard going to take out the other six?
I mean why have one token righty on it?
And if there was to be a token righty on it why not Performance Enhancing Drug user Alex Rodriguez who represents everything bad about yankeedom?
Violence is part of being a lefty. What it does show is how over promoted ‘wimmin’ are in Nu liebour. 5 bellies, Hattie lesbian, Blears, boot face Flint.
This is the worst Government we’ve had in 100 years, yet it’s the one with the most women in it and the most anti democratic.
I don’t see your point.
The main problem is Brown and he’s not a woman.
Harperson says more women makes for better Government. This is the worst Governmentin history and has the most women. He claim does not hold up.
Now in Ms Smith’s opinion that is highly likely to be an extreme view (about women) and should therefore be banned !! Is that going to help anyone? Of course not; I’d much rather you said it and then we can debate it. Some great women have led this country out of trouble eg Elizabeth 1 and Margaret Thatcher – so too have some great men. But we have had some disastrous women ‘politicians’ too – eg Mary 1 and Jacqui Smith – and indeed some disastrous men.
So maybe gender dosen’t have any bearing on political competence – you are therefore right that more women will not necessarily make a better Government, and Harpeson (and Smith) are wrong.
As an aside, isn’t the religion that advocates death for homosexuals and honour killing of women extreme? So why are there mosques going up all over the place? Don’t they contravene our ‘standards’?
@ Moley
“….and he’s not a woman.”
That’s entirely conjecture.
That’s because most women have the nannying, “we know what’s good for you” instinct and Labour wimmin have it in spades. They generally make terrible bosses because they are more prone to instinctive and unreasonable preference and prejudice than men. Men and women may be equal in the eyes of Labour but they are very different. I think the rise in the influence of women over our society has been disproportionate and unfortunate. It is one example of how Labour’s social engineering and interference have swung the pendulum too far – as though inflicting retribution for mythical injustices of the past rather than seeking balance. If the roles in it were reversed the amount of “clever female, dumb male” advertising would be the subject of mass protest by women.
New labour was just an experiment, and as we see it drawing to a close we are reminded of that other great failed experiment of the 20th century – communism.
Good points. I notice that whenever Socialist women talk about work they only ever seem interested in what benefits the job has (like time off flexible working) or what jobs can they get out of doing that they don’t like. I notice that in Hattie Harpeson’s equality plan she doesn’t want 50% of the army women. Why not? Why shouldn’t regiments of female soldiers go and get killed in Afghanistan? I notice she doesn’t advocate women taking on 50% of the dirty dangerous jobs done by men (the vast majority of people killed or seriously injured in the workplace are men) that are essential to keeping the country running.
Look at the women that Nu Liebour got in in 1997. The first thing they changed were the working hours so they could all piss off early and look after their kids.
If you don’t like long hours, don’t be an MP.
It is part of the same problem that female social workers are incapable of dealing with the possibility that women might harm or kill their children.
They are literally blind to it.
Are you gay and/or divorced?
I don’t think he’s available MB. Keep on trying.
I’m a woman and I agree. This drive for ‘equality’ at all costs has led to the nonsense of all-woman short lists in safe seats etc – it’s been obvious for years that most of the women in NuLab are palpably not up to the job (or any job). Those who are, like Kate Hoey, get sidelined. And what happened to all the Clare Shorts?
But yes – it is a wider problem: NuLab has put party loyalty and slavish adherence to the Govt line way above competence in every sphere, and this goes for both men and women. The results are there for all to see – we get to be governed by the likes of Jacqui Smith and Sion Simon. It’s been an unmitigated disaster, and will never be forgiven.
Let’s hope the Tories have the self-confidence to attract and to appoint people with brains of their own, and the guts to use them. People of real intelligence are not prepared to toe a line, nor to defend the indefensible. And we shall be in desperate need of such people, with the originality to think their way out of the current dire situation
Agree with this. This is the real corruption by Labour and it is extends to everything they touch – as everything has to be made to serve their selfish interests.
Very well said. I applaud and second your plea for the triumph of individuality, capability and personal integrity over box-ticking quotas of sex and race.
The Tories need to view this as revolution. Revolution to regain what has been lost but not at the expense of what has been learned.
I sort of agree
Its insane to have females on the front line
The Beast has been on patrol with female RUC officers who were armed with nothing more than a baton ( they werent carrying firearms then) and our biggest concern was their safety rather than getting on with other stuff.
Consider this.
Nu Labour is a club. One that requires unswervingly loyalty and obidience. The club is run by men (Brown, Blair. Mandleson, McBride, Campbell et al). They admit token women, so long as they conform to the rules of the club.
This club operates in much the same way as all other clubs do, here’s some examples, how many more can you name?
BMA
GMC
TUC
CBI
FA
FIFA
IOC
RAF
USAF
UN
EU
So until the clubs are either disbanded, or they admit women as well as men, black as well and white, into their top tier to shape and change the direction of said clubs, nothing will change. The clubs sole motive is self perpetuation.
They (usually women) used to say here in Northern Ireland that the women together would sort things out, put an end to the Troubles. So they started a party, the Womens’ Coalition.
Mostly the middle class lunch club set with a few token working class types thrown in for good measure. They were given inordinate coverage in the media.
They had one relatively successful election, proved they had bugger all to say really, got a bit bitchy with each other then they all fell out…and disbanded when the peace process industry offered them cushy jobs. One is currently the NI Human Rights Commissioner and is woeful.
Yip. and how many senior MPs in NI would lose their elected positions if any who promoted violence were kicked out of the country ??!!
its not the women because they’re women, its the women cause they’re nulab tossers who just happen to be female
Agreed. As I pointed out in my original post, it’s Socialist women who have a chip on their shoulder. They seem to think owning a Vagina should be a passport to positions of power without any questions being asked.
Lets be fair I’m sure the odd vagina has gotten the odd promotion for services rendered. (maybe the odd willy too) goddam it! even I’m trying to even up the score for fear of being called sexist. I reckon they must use subliminal brainwaves from the tv.
Can’t we just ban zanulabour instead? They are the extremists in this case. Freedom of speech scares the left, they can’t argue the debate frankly and use, racist, sexist homophobic jeers to close down debate.
wankers.
Even if they advocate or “incite” violence they should not be censored. Only those who actually carry out violence (or, like Hitler, have the legal power to compel people to carry out violence) should be punished.
I would have thought barry Goldwater was a bit before your time Guido? Quite right all the same.
In trying to look serious Five Bellies just looks desperate.
Rush Limbaugh next? He is American and certainly very right-wing, and known to be an outspoken “shock-jock”.
Personally, I listen, on-line, to his broadcasts regularly. He tends to wake people up to creeping state control.
SAVAGE: “There are too many RDDBs [red-diaper doper babies, Savage's term for people supposedly raised by Marxist parents] in high places and in the media and in the courts for us to stand up to this fanatical enemy. And so unless the RDDB is reined in somehow or taken out of power, we’re going to die as a nation. I swear to God that’s what people are saying to me. And these are intelligent people, wealthy people. They are very depressed by the weakness that America is showing to these psychotics in the Muslim world. They say, “Oh, there’s a billion of them.” I said, “So, kill 100 million of them, then there’ll be 900 million of them.” I mean, would you rather die — would you rather us die than them? I mean, what is it going to take for you people to wake up? Would you rather we disappear or we die? Or would you rather they disappear and they die? Because you’re going to have to make that choice sooner rather than later.”
I would call that advocating hate crime. I’m glad he’s not being allowed in this country and wish all these people reporting on it would familiarise themselves with his work rather than just screaming censorship.
I wouldn’t. Don’t be so feeble. It’s just a wake up call to the inevitable Armageddon between Islam and what’s left of the West (probably Israel).
Hail ! brave Leonidas – now by the pass at Thermopylae we Spartans willingly hand over our spears and apologise for owning them inthe first instance.
There is real fear in the Jewish world, including in this country. People have closed their eyes to what is going down, and the Govt has if anything encouraged it by their constant appeasement of Muslim extremism. Savage’s language is extreme – but so is that of Islam.
See Mark Styen in Commentary:
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/israel-today–the-west-tomorrow-15134
What immigration and multiculturalism has brought into this country is corruption, vote rigging and crime.
Immigrants have brought their cultures with them and been encouraged to keep them. There after all many parts of the world where corruption and vote rigging excite no comment whatsoever.
I’m surprised Spliff didn’t “ban” Mark Steyn as well, the Canadian dhimmis have been trying to shut him up. I’d try and explain to Fat Jacqui that freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to agree with her, but she’d be too busy shredding her expenses claims to listen.
What PC twaddle.If you want to know what the future holds then look into the past; the recent past as in the Balkan Wars of the 1990s.That is what is coming to Western Europe; the alternative? Forced Islamisation, and don’t give me that bollocks about Islam being peaceful etc.The Koran enjoins its followers to do anything it takes
What’s your point?
You seemed to change your mind in the last paragraph.
The man is a pathetic, idiotic failure with some truly vile views on the world. Having said that – banning him is disgusing. He should be allowed to come and say whatever the hell he likes. If he did I would go and watch him so I could piss myself laughing at his stupidity, which is how idiots like this should be treated. Banning him from the country just reinforces his ideas in the idiots who listen to him. Laughing at him might get a few of his less moronic listeners to reconsider their opinion of him.
I had the impression he was extremely successful because his views resonate with a lot of people who have been muzzled by the PC Brigade.
An accurate assessment of where we are.
I see no hate speech in the passage you have posted, only common sense.
It will unfortunatley come down to them or us – Islam or western democracy – the two cannot survive in the same place, that much is obvious to those that will see.
We have seen this liberal moral morass & naval gazing before – that was when the liberal left elite branding Chrurchill a “warmonger” for predicting the rise of Hitler.
After the battle with Islam has been won, which is by no means certain given the non Muslims in the West who advocate their growth in the West, there will have to be a reckoning for theuseful left wing liberal idiots in the West that facilitated them.
We shall insist upon it.
So, what would you call this?
<a href=”http://catosays.blogspot.com/2009/05/changing-demographics.html”<Hate Crime?
Hate Crime?
Sorry about that.
His tirade was against psychotics not muslims. Are we now pretending there aren’t any in the “muslim world”?
Banning idiots from articulating their idiocy is all very well, whilst you agree with the censor’s definition of an idiot. But what happens when you don’t? Can’t you see what a dangerous precedent it sets? Don’t ban them, ridicule them.
I agree as someone (I can’t remember who) when told their enemies would never become their friends said “they will when we beat them”
“If merely loudmouthed shock-jocks can be banned, who will be next?”
Please let it be Chris Moyles.
I FUCKING AGREE YOU HOON
So La Smith wants us all to be ‘responsible’, eh? What the fuck does she mean by that?
What’s this stupid cow’s definition of ‘responsibility’? Anything that she agrees with and nothing else?
Monstrous bint.
It’s that “Do as we say not as we do” Labour/Lefty/Wimmin thingy. They assume a consensus – “our values, our standards”, etc., – as though the whole country are members of the Labour party and advocate their own narrow vision of extreme socialist ideological reform. As usual they attempt to redefine how people think by legislative coercion and undermine tolerance by simplistic, hate-filled divisive – “four legs good, two legs bad” – demonising of those who disagree with them. Labour have never understood pragmatism or tolerance and they will never understand the diversity of thought – however much they prattle on about diversity. Their view of equality is the most ironic and the most hypocritical and the most counter-productive.
Orwell had this wilful blindness exactly taped in Animal Farm. “All animals are equal but some are more equal than others”. That exactly typifies Labour.
And of all of them the arrogant, bovine Smith typifies it most. Having flooded the country with foreigners by a combination of incompetence, malice and scheming, many of whom detest our way of life, she now succumbs to the unspoken threat of minority violence should anyone dare offend them. This list, this damned list, is just a smokescreen to conceal the horrendous own goal inflicted by Labour which allows people like Lord Achmed to attempt to use the threat of force and unrest to suppress freedom of speech and freedom of opinion.
Ms Smith is perfectly clear. Everyone is welcome so long as their views are not inappropriate or unacceptable. These are clearly defined terms of art and in the unacceptable event that they may be unclear then they mean exactly what Ms Smith as Home Secretary says they mean no more no less thank you for calling Rights Line the latest job creation scheme by New Labour your remarks are inappropriate and this call may have been recorded for training purposes.
WOGAN was a war-monger Jacqui.
He was always telling us to “FIGHT THE FLAB”
You should have heeded his words my dear!!!
Iain Dale a shock Jock?
Surely you meant to type
COCK JOCKEY?
Given that he is also Scottish that would make him a jock cock jockey
Just like our beloved leader Gordon McMental
I wrote a nice essay on freedom of speech and it seems to have got lost in moderation
Oh well, maybe it’s not as free as I thought it was…
It’s only free if the English taxpayer foots the bill.
Freedom of speech is priceless and comes at a cost of eternal vigilance, too. But you are demanding both freedom of speech and that your ‘nice essay’ be published by Guido. Those are two entirely different matters.
It made it through in the end – 24 above – obviously just a big queue this morning
85 Unsworth – I wasn’t demanding it be published, I was only commenting that it hadn’t been.
Guido is better than anyone at allowing freedom of speech on this blog, with a minimum of moderation. Long may it continue!!
You used the word, “Jock” which is offensive to our Scottish friends. Otherwise it was quite innocuous and .. quite nice.
lol – and there was me thinking it was the reference to the less-than-mainstream political party
I’ve done the same just below yours I think. but I used some other words, just to prove a point. you may well therefore be spared my musings!
123 Steve
“I was only commenting that it hadn’t been. ” Well OK, why not say that, then rather than (of free speech) “Oh well, maybe it’s not as free as I thought it was…”
Not quite the same thing, I think.
So Jackboots is now banning those that preach Anti Socialism from our shores?
I thought the treatment of De Menezes was pretty extreme, some might even say violent. No responsible opposition from Smith there. Don’t know if her infamous videos were violent but her second home claims were definitely extreme. Don’t remember her opposing that particular extremism.
And her sinister ‘list’ is probably going to cost the taxpayer a packet as you can bet we will pick up the legal bill. Another stunt that will backfire
I hope a man-in-a-white-suit stands against her at the election, and both Libs & Tories withdraw their candidates. That would be great viewing on election night. Isn’t that the accepted brand of public versus government sleaze ?Better still, an independent candidate in a white doctor’s coat.
Gordon yesterday: “I shall further have meetings today”. Is he heading for a nervous breakdown?
The guys in white coats will probably wait until he gets up in the HoC and says..
“Meetings today, further I shall have, young Skywalker”
You made me spill my coffee damn you, you do know how to post funny stuff.
Gordon yesterday: “I shall further have meetings today”. Is he heading for a nervous breakdown?
Or was it a temporary bout of dyslexia?
Don’t worry, that appalling female js is turning to fat! and more black eye-liner won’t help her either. She’s being obsequious to gordon in order to save her career. She has the nerve to say we must keep people with low moral standards
out of the country! Still, David Winnick (nulabour) is right behind her.
Pretty rich labour talking about standards when theirs are so low as to not qualify as standards. However, I shall have to be added to the banned list as I hate this facsiist labour government so much I just want to go out and kill anyone who admits to supporting this thieving, lying, incompetent bunch of treacherous scum.
Comments I’ve heard about Brown recently suggest half the country qualify for her shopping list.
“extremism in defence of liberty is no vice, moderation in pursuit of justice no virtue”
This quote is fabulous.
The whole article is fabulous.
Good for you Fawkes.
Where are the wet Conservatives saying things like this?
The liberal consensus that pervades the whole of the political class prevents the irksome truth from rearing it’s ugly head.
I have just had a thought
Where would I rather live
Israel or Saudi Arabia
Now I hate Four by two’s as much as the next man
But lets face it they are far better than the camel riding towel headed hoons over the wall
Depends whether you want to marry an eight year old I guess.
PS
I presume that I am now banned from my own country for a hate crime
GOOD
Get thee behind me Satan – and leave your wallet on the way out.
“…with a table he had bought for the occasion”
Spat with all the venom of someone talking about a scrap metal dealer who bought his title with the manor house.
Banning Michael Savage because of what he says means that next could be Jon Gaunt. I hold no brief for “shock-jocks” but free speech means having to listen to people with whom you do not agree. So long as they do not incite violence then they can speak and I can choose not to listen to them. What is Jacqui Smith going to do about a number of Muslim preachers who week in and week out preach violence against Jews, Christians, Hindus and other infidels?
When over working in the US I listen to these ‘shock jocks’ a lot – and just for laughs. They aren’t taken too seriously and it’s really comical stuff. Jacqui Smith by banning this guy just shows how fucking stupid and paranoid she is. When she loses her seat at the next election, I wonder if any school will be daft enough even to hire her as a domestic science/home economics teacher?
Their main objective is to wind up those who do not have the ability to recognise when they are being led by the nose; the outrage this provokes is generally entertaining, and largely from the left, who care about everything but understand little of human nature.
Stupid Labour. They should ban themselves for the extreme views of politically correct censorship that spews out of their far left cake holes. Ah, such dreams.
“Things can only get better..” Bollocks, can they.
Yes, I’m afraid there is much unintended irony and hypocrisy in Labour’s position on many things. I see them as undoubted extremists and it seems the closer they get to the wall of their demise (whenever that one-eyed Scotch idiot faces the electorate) the more extreme they seek to become.
Some of Harperson’s recent bilge constitutes the most fantastic prejudice and fermenting of hate. Whenever the black cloud in the suit stands up in parliament his bilge is divided between lists of dodgy statistics and pure, unmitigated hatred for the opposition. They have done more to ferment division and hatred in this country than any other government, mostly through their ill-conceived, badly drafted and rottenly implemented punitive legislation.
Strangely , I’d have to agree with Melanie Reid (Times) on this issue , clearly Savage’s name only appears on this list to give it some kind of ‘balance’ . Got to keep it looking pc and even handed …
The Pope will be banned next for his views on abortion and homosexuality,I think not.
Bliar has already started on that one; he wants to combine being Pope with “President of Europe”
that’s the day they can excommunicate me
Dolly Drooper on R5 now having a bleat.
He’s not going to go away so carry on kicking him.
Shouldn’t Tony Blair be banned from the UK?
He did start an illegal war after all.
But I’ve been to confession.
Apparently the pope didn’t like his holier than thou attitude when he met him
I wonder what the Pope saw in the little fascist?
I gave him my blessing.
That’s my perogative
You too?
I wonder what his explanation in the confessional was for the death of Dr David Kelly, driven to suicide by a vindictive, godless, institution for daring to tell the truth about dodgy reports sexed up to suit yours truly and his personal attack dog – whose soup label name escapes me?
Blair should go down on his hands and knees for the rest of his life begging forgiveness for that one act of bestial cruelty alone.
Drooper’s on Five Labour Live, he’s given up on LabourList, playing the wounded parteh
Fucking beautiful
Vicki Derbyshire gave a fellow Labour supporter a really easy time.
My mother, god rest her, would have summed the hard faced old cow up very quickly. “Common as muck, thick as a plank and greedy as a pig”.
Me, I’m just disgusted with her and the rest of Brown’s Shit heap turds.
How could my country vote for such an ignorant, self serving, shower of lying tow rags.
I’ve noticed that Labour tend to exaggerate the actions of certain people, to vilify them. Tory shadow ministers, for example, who get their offices turned over by mafioso police, ‘Jacquis Boys’.
And they seem to think it’s ok, alongside positive discrimination, to do things like this. A general election has never been more tempting to vote for anyone except Labour.
Don’t worry folks. It may cheer you up to know that the university I work for in the USofA is, in a gesture of quiet retaliation, getting rid of two vocal leftie ZanuLabour loving Brit academics who are anti-British anti-western everything…..
Yee..haw…as we like to say.
Just to prevent Gerbil Worming from flying You couldn’t make them attempt to swim back to blighty.
That means they’ll be coming back here
Couldn’t you organise a sabatical in Guantanmo for the pair?
Yet another example of how Britain will be a menace to the USA. The next islamist attack on American soil will probably be launched from here and many nasty brits will probably think she deserved it like 9/11.
If Savage wants to come over here and make a prat of himself, fine. Opinion is not incitement. People aren’t queuing up to kill opponents of gay marriage after Alan Duncan made a prat of himself.
This post seems to imply that we live in a democracy.We neither live in a democracy nor in a libertarian society. They make it up as they go along; as it suits the moment and regardless of whether it contradicts what they have previously said.
They are best mocked and scorned for the shallowness of their views and unless they cancel the next election we will have only a year to wait.
Will the next lot be better? Probably not but they might concern themselves that if they continue the habit of doing things for themselves rather than for the people who elected them then, they too will be voted out of office at the next succeeding election.
They should all take care to reform or their tenure in the future will be a very short one
Those who paint themselves as left wing love the free speech thing. It allows them to mention little people fighting campaigns in countries which are on their dinner party conversation checklist. It gets a bit thorny when you have to deal with people who say things you don’t like. Then you have to fall back on perhaps one of the more hateful phrases of modern times. You see, “with free speech comes responsibility”.
Take the comments attached to this dismal Grauniad article as a fine example of it. That phrase appears more than once.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2009/may/06/michael-savage-banned-britain?commentpage=1
Savage was on the list because he is White and NL didn’t want a list ofMuslims only. Who’s the racists??
Do us a public service, Guido. Apparently Tony Wright is completely useless when it comes to finding people. I bet you could track McPoison down before lunchtime. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8037541.stm
Derek bloody Draper on BBC R5 (BBC natch).
Throw the man a concrete lifebuoy somebody!
Derek Draper was just on Radio 5 getting a soft time off Labour supporter victoria Derbyshire. It was pathetic.
Nothing is as pathetic as Guidoaf Orcs on the radio, well apart from Guidoaf Orcs on the telly with his belly, his ugly face and his adenoidal whining voice.
You forgot his Berkeley T-shirt.
Oh yes, the T Shirt … lest it be forgotten.
Guido, sometimes you talk utter bollocks, but not on this. Agree 100%.
Geert Wilders isn’t on the list.
No doubt an oversight
Jackboots is well named
Maybe with the next government we’ll actually get exposure of what this crowd did in our name
…and prosecute some, or hold without trial for 42 days, or take their DNA
Michael Weiner changed his name to Michael Savage for the same reason that the owner of this blog prefers to be referred to as Guidoaf Orcs.
Both of them must have had cruel and thoughtless parents.
Hey!
You’re in, Blot.
I think you’ll find that “Wiener” is an american slang word for the male sexual organ hence no doubt the reason for the name change – let’s face it would you want to be called Michael “Cock”
I bet he’s called something like that quite a lot
At least they both know their father.
Shouldn’t you been in school?
I just caught up with the way that Martin Bright was hounded out of the New Statesman from Nick Cohen’s article in Standpoint.
All very unpleasant no doubt but Bright is a lamentably muddle-headed fellow and his bewilderment at seeing GF at the Index on Censorship bash is just one more confirming instance of this.
He has used his Spectator blog to push some sheep-brained idea of fiscally stimulating the economy by paying unemployed luvvies to put on plays, presumably containing the message that we are all guilty and that we should fink abaht ve chiiiiiiildrun.
Nick Cohen mentions in “What’s Left?” some fallacy (forget the name) in which superior virtue is automatically imputed to victims. He should himself beware of falling into this trap in the case of his mate, Mr Bright.
I look forward to those advocating “Class War” to be banned.
Draper now on BBC News 24. Getting another easy ride.
Not to mention a fee
Is he still gainfully employed by Unite & Labourlost?
Unbelievable that such a liability could still be in a job.
It is reminiscent of the last days of Hitler, where third reich necessity forced children & the mentally unwell into the service of the Fuhrer because there was no-one else left to do the dear leaders bidding.
Just how bad are things in the Labour camp if they cannot find a replacement of any calibre for Draper?
And what are the BBc thinking giving air time to a hoon that is supposed to be a caring qualified menatl health professioanl who thought it was “absolutely brilliant” to spread malicious untrue stories about the family members of the political opposition?
Surely not even the Beeb would actually pay Dolly for an interview..?
And I think we’ll find that McPoison is still employed in the civil service carrying out a very worthwhile job for the UK taxpayer.
Would rather see him interviewed by that-pig-of-a-wife in her own cynical way.
Why don’t ITV/BBC refer to him as “Kate’s husband” for she must be so very proud of him.
Another RBS employee sneaks off with a £500,000 plus pension – but liittle said about it this time.
Just reminds me – Did Hattie get that pension back from Sir Fred ???
Silence is deafening from NuLab, huh.
Nope – because it turns out it wasn’t theirs to take as most of Fred the Shred’s pension fund was built up prior to his elevation to CEO of RBOS. They can’t do nowt about his knightship either as it was awarded for his extensive charitable work in Scotland (and not simply to his own back pocket and the party like the usual Labour Knightships).
PS: remember who actually caused the bank collapse in trying to get Lloyds to buy out HBOS, three months prior to the house of cards collapsing – nah that could not have been Gordon and his Darling or their off the record briefings to Peston?
Must be all Fred the Shred’s fault just as Hattie says; so Gordon and his Darling’s pensions are safe a long with their elevation to the ermine – or should that be vermin.
Not yet, no. It turns out that the court of public opinion has a high workload at the moment. What with having to deliver judgements on the Gurkhas, expenses and the “Are you a bore in bed” survey in Heat it’s taking time to get cases heard.
The Home Office / NuLabour take a Putinesque line. Just read “The Rise & Rise of Putin”
Just in case we’ve forgotten about our glorious Second Home (Fittings, Furnishings and Garden Accessories) Secretary is the useless twat who banned this guy Savage…
We’re a’watchin’ yew!!
Steady on chaps and chapesses,some bad news is being buried under this bad news.
‘The Crown Prosecution Service has said there is “insufficient evidence” for any charges in connection with David Abrahams’ donations to Labour’
Well,they had the files since last June,so a thorough(not) review has taken place. Whilst the register of donations had been incorrectly completed, there was insufficient evidence to charge anyone. The Labour party was pleased to see an end to the matter(I bet) and also saw the outcome as a confirmatioin that no-one had sought to do anything illegal.
Here’s 600 grand mate -donation from Mickey Mouse.
I could have saved the taxpayer a few bob and predicted this about 12 months ago.
That fits nicely with David Marshall late Labour MP of Glasgow North’s trousering of £500,000 of taxpayers money then resigning on ill health grounds when the Sunday Times started sniffing around him and his equally dubious daughter’s consultancy company (Mr McPlod said it was not in the public interest to pursue an investigation based on a newspaper allegation, the public said why the hell not and can ye no look at Bendy Wendy Alexander and Joke McConnell at the same time!).
Funnily the same Labour Party refused to let their late MP from Glenrothes (more postal votes than people) the same grace when he was actually dying of asbestosis related cancer. To add insult to injury the Labour Government were at the time fighting a legal ruling that asbestos related lung plaques were cancerous precursors so that they could refuse a lot of MoD dockyard workers compensation for their subsequent disability.
The caring sharing Labour Government whose tennet is: if you are not embarrassing us, just die on the job, Labour Lobby fodder!
CPS? Couldn’t Prosecute Satan
O/T but what a surprise.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8037794.stm
The new post democratic ‘consensus’ on who can or cannot take part in democratic debate is very skillful on their part isnt it?
Slowly but surely they seek to exclude critics first to the outer reaches then to silence them completely.
Once the rules and field of play are rigged it doesnt matter who wins the argument because the the only narrative coming out is the ‘correct’ one.
They own the pitch, they make the rules, they decide the outcome, tis a carreer commissars wet dream come true, perpetual power, influence and wealth with the grey masses knowing their place.
I am surprised all you red blooded English men and women are not out there waving your copies of the Magna Carter at Brown, Smith et al.
Remember it starts by saying that no one, not even kings, are above the law.
Yet the Westminster Parliament as currently construed appears to think they are above what PPER 2000 defines as a criminal action and its OK as long as they apologise to Parliament for trousering ‘political donations’ and not reporting them or accounting for the use of self same money – Hain £100,000, Jack Straw £25,000 are just two that come to mind.
We Scots are working on bringing the Declaration of Arbroath into play and ridding us of such person in power (eg Gordon) that ‘sells out the nation whose truths and honour we hold dear’ and will send far more SNP MP’s to Westminster than Labour on current vote share.
So fair Albion get to it with a will. You did in the loony Scottish Stuarts so Gordon can not be that difficult for you.
cos we’ll all get arrested by the stazi that’s why
When free speech is cancelled, free thought discouraged a national database and CCTV promoted to spy on the individual, particularly your own members, plus a pet media too scared/stupid or compliant to report it, all the steps required for a police state are pretty well met.
Political Parties will deny it of course; it all really depends on your standpoint, for once that’s established pretty much anything is justified in the name of whatever you as an individual or group feel is needed to survive, and all in the name of progress as you see it.
All you need next is a load sheep willing to vote for it.
Matthew Norman on the Indie writes another superb demolition job on our Second-Home Secretary. A few years ago he and the paper would have been taken to the cleaners by Carter Fuck. These days, they would not dare.
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I have to agree with Guido here. Michael Savage is an odious little twat, but that doesn’t strike me as a good enough reason to ban him from entering the country. Unless thoughtcrime is now a real crime in New Labour’s Britain.
Looking through Savage’s site http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/ there is no hint of supporting violence except that if you are caught by a burgler with a gun promising to kill you it is legitimate to shoot back. As right wing yanks go he seems pretty liberal – against banning books & the excesses of homeland security.
The subject which gets 2nd most space (the first being Britain “naming & shaming” him) is the catastrophic global warming scam
Compare & contrast with that proven eco-fascist liar James Hansen who wants to lock people up for scientific scepticism & give free reign to Greenpeace thugs to vandalise other people’s property. He’s always welcomed by NuLabour fascists.
i’ve said it before Guido, but Index on Censorship does not support free speech – they support a narrow range of speech that’s little different to any kneejerk lefty. Watch yourself there.
@ Steve 123
So what does “Oh well, maybe it’s not as free as I thought it was…” have to do with it? Did you think that somehow Guido can’t or shouldn’t pick and choose exactly what he wants to publish? A little clarification might help. Frankly I’m staggered that he chooses to publish any of my comments.
“We will continue to oppose extremism in all its forms.”
Who gets to define extremism? We don’t need to protect the freedom of speech for moderate and inoffensive ideas, it’s the right to express ideas repugnant to many that ought to be safeguarded. If we don’t believe in the freedom of speech for ideas that we ourselves find evil and appalling then such freedoms become not so much rights, but rather priveliges afforded to those with whom we agree and share a political bond.
I for one say that the freedom of speech should be preserved at all costs, less we be led away silently as sheep to the slaughter.
Jaqui Smith to be removed by the Weekend.
Jacqui gives me the horn!
How her hubby needed 5 taps on the walking stick.
Let her have 5 minutes in dr nookies company and the earth shall move!
I think this is a new Labour wheeze to keep Bolshie MPs in line. “OK, Sid, just vote for Gordon’s latest idiocy, and we’ll let you ban someone you don’t like”.
This is a tough one for me.
Because I want to make it clear that the UK had the right to do what they did.
I don’t ever want to say that a sovereign nation doesn’t have the right to keep any foreigner out for their country for any reason or even no reason.
That said, though I guess even though they have the right to do a certain action doesn’t mean I can’t personally be offended by how a sovereign nation exercises its rights.
And it doesn’t mean that how a nation chooses to exercise their rights doesn’t mean it doesn’t mean that I can’t allow such acts, although perfectly within their rights, effect how I perceive that foreign country and effect my views regarding how my country’s relations with said foreign country should be effected as result.
The British has targeted not only one man, Michael Savage, but also has condemned a whole segment of American citizens. The British have not only targeted this one man which again is within their rights but the reasons they gave given for their targeting of him (and this might actually be the illegal part especially when they do so within the US) have been slanderous in nature.
Yes, the British had the right to do what they did, and I will never ever say otherwise. But likewise as an American citizen I have the right to personally boycott British Products and to encourage other Americans to do so as well. I have the right as an American citizen to avoid my planned tourist travel to the UK. And I as an American, while recognizing the British right to do what they did, likewise have the right to encourage my leaders to follow foreign policy objectives opposing the current British Regime.
Oh, I also have the right to advocate that our government keep out Leftist British citizens, because again, I would never say that keeping foreigners from ones shores isn’t a right of any sovereign nation – especially ours.
Jon, isn’t it hypocrisy to accuse others of hypocrisy given your overall hypocritical nature?
What you do Jon is indeed evil. Now, given that its part of a domestic debate I am not going to criticize you for such a tactic (but I am going to point it out) but it doesn’t mean I can’t judge you as an human being. And it doesn’t mean I can’t fear your evil spreading from its confines to over here where it will then become very much my business.
I had wanted to see the London Eye. But I believe I will choose the Jamaican rumboat instead. Oh well.
I would understand it if Savage was actually publicly planning a trip to the UK on some “World Tour” type public event.
But he wasn’t.
To my knowledge he wasn’t planning to have his show in the UK.
Nor has he been prominently opposing the British say like the Leprechaun did at one time with France.
So what the British did by putting him on their do not enter list was to intrude themselves into US domestic affairs.
Sure they have the right to protect their own boarders but this is clearly not what this is about.