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		<title>By: StableCrackUser</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/04/23/potty-priorities/#comment-67429</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a job, a mortgage and a &quot;normal&quot; life.  Very occasionally (3 or 4 times per year) I like to smoke crack because it&#039;s the purest form of coke on the street, gives a great high and I love having filthy sex on it. Some of the powder I watch people put up their noses is clearly cut several times over and is a complete waste of money, so why bother?

Fortunately I have the capacity to understand the dangers of addiction and will never let myself become dominated by the drug.  Of course many do not have this control so I do not condone the activity.

Legalise everything and provide comprehensive education in schools to teach kids the dangers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a job, a mortgage and a &#8220;normal&#8221; life.  Very occasionally (3 or 4 times per year) I like to smoke crack because it&#8217;s the purest form of coke on the street, gives a great high and I love having filthy sex on it. Some of the powder I watch people put up their noses is clearly cut several times over and is a complete waste of money, so why bother?</p>
<p>Fortunately I have the capacity to understand the dangers of addiction and will never let myself become dominated by the drug.  Of course many do not have this control so I do not condone the activity.</p>
<p>Legalise everything and provide comprehensive education in schools to teach kids the dangers.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/04/23/potty-priorities/#comment-67399</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 17:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, but they have tested ACID on our service men.

This is great:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoLfApHZjDs]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, but they have tested ACID on our service men.</p>
<p>This is great:-</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://order-order.com/2009/04/23/potty-priorities/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/GoLfApHZjDs/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Leroy Himmler</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8019075.stm

Looks like Labour&#039;s support is sagging even further]]></description>
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<p>Looks like Labour&#8217;s support is sagging even further</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Maris</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Rayne -

There is a difference between the legitimate trade in alcohol and what you get under prohibition. Same goes for betting shop gambling.

Certainly age controls ARE easier to apply. The extent to which a criminal trade continues to flourish depends on how much you tax the legitimate trade. If you are sensible you don&#039;t leave much room for illegal traders. Legitimate traders will do a lot of work for you, denouncing illegal traders .

If you couple this with serious anti-education on the Swedish model and a regime of drug testing in schools, you will do FAR MORE to curtail drug use than anything else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Rayne -</p>
<p>There is a difference between the legitimate trade in alcohol and what you get under prohibition. Same goes for betting shop gambling.</p>
<p>Certainly age controls ARE easier to apply. The extent to which a criminal trade continues to flourish depends on how much you tax the legitimate trade. If you are sensible you don&#8217;t leave much room for illegal traders. Legitimate traders will do a lot of work for you, denouncing illegal traders .</p>
<p>If you couple this with serious anti-education on the Swedish model and a regime of drug testing in schools, you will do FAR MORE to curtail drug use than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMoore</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just came across this Cambridge Union Debate from last Thursday.  Worth a watch

http://www.archive.org/details/cus_2009-04-23_debate_legalize-heroin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came across this Cambridge Union Debate from last Thursday.  Worth a watch</p>
<p><a href="http://www.archive.org/details/cus_2009-04-23_debate_legalize-heroin" rel="nofollow">http://www.archive.org/details/cus_2009-04-23_debate_legalize-heroin</a></p>
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		<title>By: JohnMoore</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/04/23/potty-priorities/#comment-53416</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I don&#039;t know the answer&quot; - but don&#039;t let that stop you being an expert!

Some figures on two drugs

Alcohol - 22,000 premature deaths per annum , Road Traffic Deaths 1,500 per annum, cost to society £18.5 billion per annum, not to mention the violence experienced in all town centres.

Ecstasy - 10 deaths per annum.

(Source: Nutt, D.J. (2006) ‘A tale of two Es’  pp. 315-317 in Journal of Psychopharmacology No. 20, Vol. 3.)

I suspect the alcohol deaths are understated and the ecstasy deaths overstated (familes don&#039;t like alcohol on the death certificate and those few death certs that mention ecstasy include details of a number of other substances which are far more likely to have been responsible for the deaths).

Given that we have chosen to give organised crime a state sponsored monopoly in the manufacture, distribution and retail of ecstasy it is a remarkably safe substance.  Those of us with kids need to be honest with them and give them accurate information which allows them to make informed decisions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know the answer&#8221; &#8211; but don&#8217;t let that stop you being an expert!</p>
<p>Some figures on two drugs</p>
<p>Alcohol &#8211; 22,000 premature deaths per annum , Road Traffic Deaths 1,500 per annum, cost to society £18.5 billion per annum, not to mention the violence experienced in all town centres.</p>
<p>Ecstasy &#8211; 10 deaths per annum.</p>
<p>(Source: Nutt, D.J. (2006) ‘A tale of two Es’  pp. 315-317 in Journal of Psychopharmacology No. 20, Vol. 3.)</p>
<p>I suspect the alcohol deaths are understated and the ecstasy deaths overstated (familes don&#8217;t like alcohol on the death certificate and those few death certs that mention ecstasy include details of a number of other substances which are far more likely to have been responsible for the deaths).</p>
<p>Given that we have chosen to give organised crime a state sponsored monopoly in the manufacture, distribution and retail of ecstasy it is a remarkably safe substance.  Those of us with kids need to be honest with them and give them accurate information which allows them to make informed decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: David Raynes</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Squeezing out criminal distribution through legalisation is just not possible. More than  20% of the UK  tobacco trade is smuggled counterfeit or both, calls for legalisation which take no account of the increased harm from increased use in a legalised scenario are not thought through. They ignore the evdience of the tobacco/alcohol model , they ignore the fact that legalisation of illegal drugs with a bigger user base would suit criminality  just as much as the current situation.  Illegal distribution for what are basically cheap goods with lots of price flexibility could ALWAYS undercut legal distribution. Impose tax as some advocate and even more incentive for crime, ring legal distribution around with rules (age etc), another incentive for crime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Squeezing out criminal distribution through legalisation is just not possible. More than  20% of the UK  tobacco trade is smuggled counterfeit or both, calls for legalisation which take no account of the increased harm from increased use in a legalised scenario are not thought through. They ignore the evdience of the tobacco/alcohol model , they ignore the fact that legalisation of illegal drugs with a bigger user base would suit criminality  just as much as the current situation.  Illegal distribution for what are basically cheap goods with lots of price flexibility could ALWAYS undercut legal distribution. Impose tax as some advocate and even more incentive for crime, ring legal distribution around with rules (age etc), another incentive for crime.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/04/23/potty-priorities/#comment-52350</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Drug decriminalisation in Portugal

http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/greenwald_whitepaper.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drug decriminalisation in Portugal</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/greenwald_whitepaper.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/greenwald_whitepaper.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Scruggs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 03:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the 14 y.o. girls had access to cheap heroin, they wouldn&#039;t need to be on the game trying to pay for the expensive stuff that&#039;s been cut with Vim.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the 14 y.o. girls had access to cheap heroin, they wouldn&#8217;t need to be on the game trying to pay for the expensive stuff that&#8217;s been cut with Vim.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Maris</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/04/23/potty-priorities/#comment-52213</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Maris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some further points:

1. Drugs have been part and parcel of human culture since the dawn of time (other mammals make use of drugs as well).

2. It is perhaps highly debatable if you took drugs out of the arts whether you would have had much out of the last 500 years. Virtually every jazz great was a heroin addict. Ditto many rock stars. Few writers have been immune to the charms of alcohol and tobacco, essential to their craft. Poets seem to have had a fondness for opiates. All the great dancers have been on drugs of various sorts. The only non druggie art form I can think of at the moment is probably classical music, although a lot of them have to go on sedatives like Beta blockers.

3.  We need to think seriously about how to legalise the drug trade and squeeze out the worst Mafia elements/counter the worst health effects.  We probably need to think in terms of licensed street and home dealers, state processing of drugs, a limited range of &quot;pure&quot; drugs made available for sale with health warnings. State profits from the trade to be used for drug education and addiction treatment.

4.  I agree we should be buying up the whole of the Afghan opium crop. It&#039;s a great way as well to drive  up the price of heroin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some further points:</p>
<p>1. Drugs have been part and parcel of human culture since the dawn of time (other mammals make use of drugs as well).</p>
<p>2. It is perhaps highly debatable if you took drugs out of the arts whether you would have had much out of the last 500 years. Virtually every jazz great was a heroin addict. Ditto many rock stars. Few writers have been immune to the charms of alcohol and tobacco, essential to their craft. Poets seem to have had a fondness for opiates. All the great dancers have been on drugs of various sorts. The only non druggie art form I can think of at the moment is probably classical music, although a lot of them have to go on sedatives like Beta blockers.</p>
<p>3.  We need to think seriously about how to legalise the drug trade and squeeze out the worst Mafia elements/counter the worst health effects.  We probably need to think in terms of licensed street and home dealers, state processing of drugs, a limited range of &#8220;pure&#8221; drugs made available for sale with health warnings. State profits from the trade to be used for drug education and addiction treatment.</p>
<p>4.  I agree we should be buying up the whole of the Afghan opium crop. It&#8217;s a great way as well to drive  up the price of heroin.</p>
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