Reporting from the Guardian
Guido was at the Index on Censorship Awards ceremony last night, deep in the bowels of the Guardian’s new fancy offices. The purpose built modern building will make a great museum when the paper eventually goes bust.
The event was packed to the gills with media luvvies and Islington’s finest. David Hare gave a splendidly acerbic speech. Chairman Johnathan Dimbleby raged against the “censorship” of the BBC’s Middle East reporter Jeremy Bowen, who was mildly criticised for his blatant anti-Israeli bias by the BBC Trust’s Editorial Standards Committee. Guido thought it a gentle rebuke to Bowen given how biased his broadcasts from the supposedly impartial state broadcaster seem. Hardly makes him a dissident, does it? He has been given no punishment, no demotion, nothing. Wonder if he had been criticised for anti-Palestinian bias would the room have been so concerned?
Stereotypically the auction fundraiser saw a week in a Tuscan villa get the top bid from the assembled Hampstead liberals and Guardianistas. No, it really did. Guido was very pleased to win the auction for a copy of the Charter 77 human rights manifesto signed by Václav Havel himself. The dissident playwright was imprisoned multiple times during the Soviet era by an authoritarian socialist Czech regime, his plays were banned and he was reduced to working in a brewery. After the Velvet Revolution he ended up being President of the freed Czech Republic. It went for a tenth of the price of that week in Tuscany. Guardianistas really do have different values…
Cheer up Guido. Life’s not all bad.
Well said. If idiot lefties want to waste money going to Polly’s villa, when they could get a holiday in tuscany cheaper on expedia, then fuck em. Think of the bargain you got.
You won that Guido… a real piece of history signed by true libertarian….
Or a week sniffing Pollys bed….!!
Not much in it really.
Presumably ,it was for a week in Polly’s villa and nowhere else ?
now that would something to dine out on for at least 100 years!
The Guardian like Labour has lost its way. What is the point of either of them any more? Nulab represent about 5 rich champage socialists in Islington, they certainly don’t have anything in common with anyone else.
Sums it up really an International document signed by an Icon that made a real difference to ordinary people or
a villa for a couple of weeks in the sun (ish)?
Yeah I know it really is a tough choice
I feel that we may all have to be Irish tax exiles now…
I simple adore you Guido.
People who live in Hampstead represent the acceptable face of socialism.
There is no acceptable face of socialism.
a beaten one?
“There is no acceptable face of socialism.”
Weeel, with one exception; the one where the head wearing the face of Socialism is on a spike.
George Orwell: the last sane Socialist?
A mistake! It should have been “unacceptable”. Bloody hell!
I think my point still stands.
Let’s just forget the whole thing. I’m having a bad day.
You and Alastair Darling!
not according to Aljabeeba
You mean the acceptable face of cottaging.
Now you are being silly, or are you not?
There must be an acceptable face of socialism, otherwise there could not be an unacceptable one.
I agree that there are very few things that are acceptable about socialism in practice, especially as I know what it really is, and even more especially where it really came from.
However there simply must be acceptable BITS of socialism, to a great many ordinary people, otherwise there would not be so bloody many of these mind controlled, self destructive, self enslaving idiots, who prefer to call themselves socialists around the place.
Sensible people know that socialism is a lie, based on a lie, propagated by liars, and beloved or created by the very people socialism has always pretended to be in opposition to. While being virtual or perfect death to many of the people who vote for, or generally tend to support it.
However. Sensible people also know that there is not much fun in falling over dead or abandoned babies in the street. They know that all mankind does have at least a passing responsibility to his fellow mans well being and prosperity. We can not survive, never mind prosper on our own. Not only do we know we can’t, we dont want to survive on our own either.
Sensible people take these things as self evident truth. Only ideologues, idiots, and despots could possibly believe otherwise.
There are always almost infinitely more things that unite common people then divide them. One of which is that we all live under varying amounts of cruel and needless ignorance, oppression, enslavement, hopelessness, and poverty. We do this not because it can not be avoided. Neither do we because other ordinary people within in our own community have a few pence more then others.
If GREED is bad, then the power of ENVY is much more destructive within a community. Socialism breads envy, not of the ruling or political class that promotes it, but of the common man against the common man. Why would anything other then a product of authoritarian establishment evil, wish to be doing that?
Our society is not broken as Cameron puts it.
It has been systematically and DELIBERATELY, institutionally divided into as many small bits as our ruling class could think of.
Bloody hell Atlas – that made sense. You feeling alright?
Compared to today’s budget, getting a job in a Czech brewery doesn’t sound so bad. Can barely afford a Budvar here now.
Bloody hell, mate. Haven’t Scottish and Newcastle got their hands on the licence yet? Won’t be long before you see ‘brewed badly in the UK’ on your favourite tipple.
If he’d been arrested by a ring wing capitalist they would have lapped it up. But of course, socialists don’t make errors do they.
Put your point to Yvette Cooper live on Channel 4 News via twitter
http://twitter.com/krishgm
How many swear words can you fit into 140 characters?
Do they have to be individual swear words or can they be repeated?
in her case it should be ‘twatter’
Anon – first laugh of the day
Guido,
if you think his comments were blatantly ant-israel then that makes you blatantly pro-israel.
which in turn makes you a war crime apologist and collaborator of child killers.
show some respect for international law, libertarian.
fucking hell Guido, get with the programme, the peace programme.
you can be such a fucking arsehole sometimes.
Clearly quite a Thick Thief
Are you the Iranian Fuerher’s speechwriter by any chance?
hmm, the yard is rather knackered at the moment, innit.
maybe it would improve your public relations if you stopped murdering civilians.
just a thought.
oh and I happen to think that dinnerjacket is a complete spastic. but thankyou for recognizing the high quality of my contributions.
compliments are gratefully received, back handed or not.
You desreve a back hander for that remark about spastics!
I am fucking sick of the so-called Middle East. It should of course be called the Near East.
Respect tat, respect…
Fucking delicious!
Well said, tat. As for..”Iranian Fuerher”.. Knacker has been reading too much MSM.
another emotional spasm disguising a double standard … on the basis you are a war crime apologist if you are pro israel then you are a suicide bombing apologist if you pro paly.? Fair. no. Your logic not mine.
Plenty of child killers in the Sudan, Burma CONGO,Zimbabwe etc you and the usual crowd don’t seem to get worked up about those outrages. Just the Israels.
but can’t you see, israel does it on such a very large scale.
when it comes to murdering children, usa is number 1, and you the lap dogs are number 2.
maybe if you tried a bit harder you could top the charts.
your pathetic attempts to smear your opponents are failing to gain any traction in this country. smearing is so old fashioned. the truth is tha if you lose the propaganda war in England you are fucked. I think you’ve already lost it.
stop fucking about with all this bollocks propaganda and do the deal.
that is the best advice israel will ever get.
evidence please
you want evidence?
evidence wise israel’s war crimes are being described best of all by its own soldiers, straight from the horse’s mouth.
admittedly it isn’t easy to build a case of war crimes because the occupying forces have got the area where the crimes have and are being committed on a total fucking lockdown.
you know how fascist occupying forces can be, don’t you?
we also, ofcourse, have evidence of israeli’s terrorists hanging British Officers. war crimes are turning into something habit for israel, eh?
so let’s cut the shit. israeli leaders who used to be terrorists are now are in office. if you can swallow that you will have to swallow the concept of relinquishing the role of the fascist occupier.
maybe you are a fascist and you like occupying other peoples’ land.
I think thicko is a raghead.
I think doctor mick is a crackhead.
I think you have no thoughts of your own ya wee parrot.
who cares what you think doctor mick, you’re just a thieving smackhead.
you silly old tart!
The difference between Sudan, Burma, DRC, Zimbabwe et al is that they are not being blatantly supported by the western govt’s. Or most especially bankrolled by the USA. There are atrocities the world over unfortunately. But atrocities we could markedly reduce so immediately with a little bit of even handedness are scarce.
This doesn’t imply any big conspiracy or love of suicide bombers as much as phosphorous bombers, so get off your high horse and cut the crap.
That goes for you too Guido. You’re a star of UK politics and we all respect you immensly for this, however I’m afraid your world perspective doesn’t engender the same respect!
Yes, that’s the only doubt I have about Guido, his censorship of anything showing the true face of Israel.
Hear Hear
FFS Guido, there are plenty of Jews who think Israel is way out of order. It is undoubtable that many Jews suffered greatly under the Nazis and other earlierEuropean regimes but that should not be an excuse for the wholesale disregard of international law and human rights of Palestinians.
I think Guido’s usually always on the money but when he gets onto the subject of Israel he can’t get more wrong. Real shame.
Agreed, he has a very disturbing blind spot where Israel is concerned.
Agreed as in a real shame but G is not alone in this oddball reaction. vivapalestina.org
>but that should not be an excuse for the wholesale disregard of international law and human rights of Palestinians
But if Palestinians want to drop 6000 rockets on Israel and bring their children up in an 8th century hell hole of racial hatred and religious fascism so they can destroy Israel…. that’s ok.
Strange how ‘international law’ only applies to one side.
War crimes? would that consist of indisriminate rocket attacks by hamas directed at civilians or hamas terrorists hiding behind women and children and storing weapons in schools,holding civilians hostage,stealing aid supplies,torturing and murdering opponents, lying about casualties,stopping civilians from fleeing and driving towards the IDF and even forcing children onto the roofs of hamas hideouts.
Perhaps you want to talk about hamas and how they bully and steal,lie and cheat and murder, perhaps you would like to explain why you appear to support islamist terrorism and racism/holcaust denial so happily?
yes it would cassandra.
and to develop your point, I think we will, in the end, have to follow the northern ireland template. as unsavoury a proposition as it may be, I fear an amnesty of some sort will have to be offered to individuals on both sides who have carried out war crimes.
I’m sure that many unionists are still not happy that a senior members of the irish republican army now sit in government.
that, miss king, is the price of peace.
I think that you have been fooled by your own zionist lobby. the dividends of peace for Israel will be far greater than the cost incurred by dropping american bombs on innocent Palestinians.
grow up cassandra, Israel’s best way forward is to stop dropping bombs on children and do the deal.
TAT,
The only peace the islamist want,need or require is the extermination of Israel and the murder of the Jews, the difference between NI and Hamas/Israel conflicts is that the IRA were willing to talk peace, real peace.
The hamas gangsters dont want peace, they want a ceasefire just long enough to rearm, hatred and a warped bitternes toward the Jews is so ingrained in them, they actually wish for the conflict to continue and no amount of hand wringing western moral relativism will change that, if you actually think that giving hamas what it demands will ever lead to peace you are mistaken my friend.
The weird urge to attack the victim rather than the perpetrator has always been a puzzle to me, perhaps you should visit Israel before you rush to judgement of a conflict that you so obviously know so little other than the trendy ‘respect/hamas slogans.
Hear, hear Cassandra!
I never understand why the crime of suicide bombing is played down. It is the most cowardly, disgusting way of murdering innocent people – perpetrated by cowards. It is just sick, sick, sick!!
Besides, any doctor will tell you that people who commit suicide are very sick….but to take others with you?? Why is this never questioned and why are Israel always made out to be the worse of the two? They are both as bad as each other.
I just think that to sit in a cafe or on a bus and know that any moment you are going to murder or maim them all is reallly evil!
And please don’ t tell me that the actions of Israel make these suicide bombers like this ‘cos that just aint true.
We don’t go around murdering people just because we don’t like them or if they really piss us off. Much as we’d love to – we just don’t do it.
the ira had a similar attitude to the british soldiers and ruc as hamas has to israel. during the late 60′s and early 70′s the ira were killing up to 30 soldiers per month.
now all parties in the conflict are serving in the same political forum.
the hatred you seem to think can never be placated is fueled by israel’s occupation and if you think military violence can keep a lid on it you are mistaken. the enemies in northern ireland had to share the parliament, the two state solution allows for both groups to have their own political sovereignty, so this conflict is politically easier to solve.
as I said, you have been tricked by the fear propaganda peddled by the zionist lobby. those guys are in it for the money they can make from arms sales from supplying a perpetual conflict.
the israel/palestine conflict is all about the dollars.
if anything the zionists are destabilizing israel’s position and they couldn’t give a fuck.
you’re getting mugged cassandra, and the sad thing is you don’t even know it.
wise up, fast.
thick as thieves old chap/maiden: Why do you ignore Cassnadra’a comment about the actions of Hammas and choose to divert to Northern Ireland instead?
You’re not part of nulabour’s spin team are you ‘cos that’s how they work? – only kidding – just trying to lighten things up a little!
NI is relavant but let’s deal with the issue in hand for the time being and that is Israel v Palestine or rather ariel bombing v suicide bombing; I think human beings have to be incredibly sick to be able to look fellow human beings in the eye and then deliberately kill or maim them and in the process kill themselves -think about it. It’s all in the nature of the crime.
Incidentally, I absolutely hate Harriet Harman; she’s so bitter and twisted. I watched her at the budget when eyebrows announced his 50% tax; she was laughing and smirking and looking over at the tories as if to say ” ha ha bloody ha!” – God she’s a mess. I guess her and that Jack fellow deserve each other. 2 pigs in a trough.
LOL, most of those “rockets” never hit anything at all. The kill rate of civilians by Israel is about 4-1. Also note that most Israelis are military reservists (including the women) who have had a direct or indirect role in the oppression and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Civilians are a minority in Israel.
Ever read any books by Palestinians about the region? Of course not, nobody in the west would dare publish them.
Israel even celebrates it’s terrorists, who killed brits.
Get a clue, or stop your zioNAZI propaganda lies.
And btw, anybody who tries to call me an “anti-semite” in real life, will get their arse sued off for slander.
Guido, by no reasonable measure can child suicide bombers be considered more heinous that Dime bombs and phosphorous bombs, and blockading civilians for 18 months, and the war crimes of bombing schools and hospitals and shooting dead unarmed children in front of their parents with weapons supplied free, gratis and for nothing by the US.
Egypt then as fellows should open its border with the Gaza strip then should it not?
Well the last time it was actually broken through by the Palestinians and it was VERY quickly rebuilt by Egypt and guard dogs were deployed.
When people realise Gaza is actually being used to produce headlines and nothing more then maybe just maybe the 99% of the totally innocent people there will rejoin the human race.
I think those accusations you have made marks you out for a hamas indocrinated patsy, you have just reeled off al the silly lies that hamas wants you to believe.
Hamas pulls the strings and you dance like a good little terrorist puppet, do you even know the truth of it? do you even care what the truth is?
Fist in the air slogans and blanket accusations without foundation aint the truth, cry murder all you want, hamas is the murderer and its hamas who could stop the killing within a day IF they wanted to.
Don’t you think brainwashing kids and encouraging them to be suicide bombers is a little sick and extremely evil?
Is it usually the parents teaching them to do this?
Thicko is a “useful idiot”. Hamas would trash him in an eyeblink if it added $5 to their Swiss Bank accounts.
Start dropping ‘Daisy Cutters’ from North Gaza working South. Problem solved. Simples.
T&T’s:
International law authorizes Israel to initiate military countermeasures in Gaza. If Gaza is seen as having independent sovereignty, Israel’s use of force is permissible on the grounds of self-defense. If Gaza is seen as lacking any independent sovereignty, Israel’s use of military force is permissible as in other non-international conflicts. The rule of “distinction” includes elements of intent and expected result: so long as one aims at legitimate targets, the rule of distinction permits the attack, even if there will be collateral damage to civilians. The rule of “proportionality” also relies upon intent. If Israel plans a strike without expecting excessive collateral damage, the rule of proportionality permits it. Israeli attacks to date have abided by the rules of distinction and proportionality.
Fucking hell Thick, get with the programme
you can be such a fucking arsehole sometimes etc etc
Funny, Israel holds the world record for ignoring UN resolutions, just about the only ones they shyster on about are the ones giving it any alleged legitimacy. Very convenient… Fucking hypocritical slimes.
Seems a bit harsh. What next mein fuerher?
The point made, Thick as.., was that a journalist should not take sides and should report the facts dispassionately, whatever his personal views. That is professional.
You rush to judgement without any facts at all. Were you actually there? Have you even been East of Bodrum?
Oh for fuck’s sake!
Where are you complaining about the 95% of the media that is permanently pro-Israel in this conflict?
Nowhere to be seen, what a fucking surprise.
If you want to support a state that oppresses a minority under its territorial command, locks them in a tiny strip of land, and drops chemical weapons from above on them, then fine.
It just shows you to be an utter, utter Huhne who deserves no respect whatsoever.
Thick as rh*t. Shameful comment from you using “spastic” as an insult in your previous post. Wouldn’t expect anything else though from a sociialist juvanile prat that typifies the current culture around New labour. Grow up you infantile.
Who do I send the pizzas to?
Funny how Thick as Thieves tends to over look the other depotic dictatorships around the world-rather like his/her pin up boy Chomsky who turned a blind eye when Serbian death squads ruled the roost in Bosnia, or when Saddam was hanging trade unionists.
In Iran, people get hung for being gay, listeniing to “American” rock music or having liberal views.
In Iran hacks get thrown in jail for “spying”, purges take place at all levels of society, and weapons are supplied to various groups who clearly hold “ideals” closer to Nazi Germany.
In Iran, spending on the military has trebled, it has developed quite openly Shahab 4 missiles that can hit targets as far away as Cyprus.
To paraphrse yourself “get with the programme, the peace programme.
you can be such a fucking arsehole sometimes.”
give peace a chance.
let’s face it, Israel’s fascist occupation of Palestine is just causing problems for Israel.
hold on…… you are a hamas fifth columnist causing trouble for Israel and I claim my five shekels!
Israelis learnt a lot during world war 2 it seems, how to keep the unclean part of your society down, humiliate them, murder them.
Vaclav Havel is a legend. He should be given a Nobel prize for common sense regarding the EU.
Jeremy Bowen is a Jew-hater, pure and simple. Ask him if he believes in Israel’s right to exist and watch him squirm and never give a straight answer…
what the fuck are you talking about you spastic?
israel does exist.
palestine is the country that has been wiped off of the map.
you are a gentile-hater and probably racist and sexist to boot.
there will be peace whether you like it or not.
Thick person, are you aware of the violence committed by Hamas on women, gays, Sufis, Jews, Christians, Bedouins, Druze, Sunni Muslims? Are you aware that they kill children too? That their suicide bombers often positioned themselves by young mothers and children? Do you condemn them? Or the Beslan killers who slaughtered children in a school? Or the Iranians who routinely murder gays by hanging them on cranes in public? Are you aware that the Iranian thugocracy fought a war with Iran when a MILLION people died. Or the Russians who slaughtered tens of thousands of Georgians and Chechyens without one Stop The War march? No call for War Crimes for your favoured gangsters I see.
Or do you only have a problem with Jews?
Better to be anti-disabled then eh?
Never has been a country. Still, the Joooooooos, the Joooooooooooooos, eh?
TAT, you are a fucking arsehole, to quote yourself.
Now, fuck off and die.
er, you guys really are struggling to keep up, aincha?
happyslayer,
I am ofcourse referring to intellectual spastics, not real ones and I do it to wind up wankers like you.
inspector,
I am fully aware of the arseholes on both sides of the conflict.
so, we shan’t have peace because both sides are breaking international law? don’t be so fucking stupid, if we had taken that view with northern ireland we would have made no progress whatsoever.
shit argument.
have I got a problem with jews? some of the best people in the world have been jewish: I have a problem with countries that break international law and act in an aggressive and preemptive fashion. so sue me.
lipstick on a hog,
never been such a country? that’s funny because England has invaded Palestine, so I guess that makes you a fucking liar, eh, hog?
james,
well your just a gobby c’unt.
good to see I’ve woken up the zionist rebuttal unit – go easy on the superskunk guys, you are losing the propaganda battle, this is no time to get stoned.
There was no such country as Palestine ffs! The term describes a geographical area.
Syria, Jordan etc were owned by a few mega-rich families beofre the British Mandate
(I know, I nearly married the scion of one of them). Their rule was feudal. Syria etc was expropriated by the Communists. Jordan and Lebanon were expropriated by the British.
There is so much rubbish talked by the apologists for Arab terrorism it makes me sick.
If the adjoining countries had allowed the refugees, whom they encouraged with horror stories to leave Israel, to work and to set uyp0 homes, they would easily have been absorbed into the surrounding Arab populations. Instead, these poor people were kept for two generations in barbed wire refugee camps, to provide a never-ending source of anti-Israeli cannon-fodder
Thicker and Thicker: there’s never been a ‘country’ called Palestine*.
Please continue and carry on with the references to “spastics”: etc . They give your debating skills SOOO much weight.
Inspector Knacker of the Yard – are you aware you are without doubt the largest and ugliest twunt I have never met?
Knacker
Your post is completely beside the point. Does the fact that Ian Brady did unspeakable things mean that Ian Huntly should be acquitted?
harry,
you may belong to a country that was born yesterday but I am not.
You have no history, which is fine, but you have made the error of telling an English man your nonsense about Palestine not existing.
Where do you think we travelled when we went on The Crusades you fucking moron.
And if you ever visit Parliament look up and you will see a painting depicting English Knights during The Crusade into Palestine in the thirteenth century.
Sheesh, can’t the zionist arms dealers come up with better trolls than you lot.
you’re shit.
The sooner Israel zaps Iran’s nuclear bomb factories the better. Like they did for Iraq. The World will be a safer place than one where bearded clerics have The Bomb.
Israel is the only democracy in that pirates den they call the Middle East. And you, Thicko.., apologise for it. Shame on you.
doctor mick, I fear you have been self-prescribing again!
I am an Englishman sir, so show some manners.
as you are so keen on the subject then let us discuss tactics.
israel has over 200 nuclear warheads which it fails to declare to the correct authorities. despite that fact israel is threatening a pre-emptive strike on iran’s nuclear energy sites.
hmmm…. sounds like a fucking hypocritical position doesn’t it?
anyway, let’s skate over that lack of moral rectitude and get to the meat: israel will not attack iran’s nuclear facilities because if they did then iran would discharge missiles aimed at israel’s nuclear missile silos.
and everybody knows exactly where they are located.
if that were to happen israel would be a poisoned garden.
the land would be worthless for fifty years and the inhabitants of the region would become asylum seekers seeking sanctuary in other countries.
that is the worst case scenario.
I prefer peace, don’t you?
Not only does Israel have over two hundred nuclear war heads – these war heads are aimed, amongst other targets, at European capitols.
It keeps those governments in line ensuring they will childishly walk out of conferences rather than using rational debate.
If Israel goes down, so the story goes, so will London, Paris and Berlin.
I’m still waiting for your answer. have you ever been to these places? I have, for several years. You pretend to be an expert on the “Middle East Question” but I reckon you’re just a selective Googler and a chancer.
I can read all your claptrap in the Guardian by the Islington Chattterers and hear it put more eloquently on BBC2 by some winner of the Booker Prize but I do wonder what your expertise is. I think you’re just toeing the NULAb party line. And pisspoor at it an’ all. Even Dolly Draper was more convincing than you.
doctor’s a dick,
I do not have to explain myself to you.
whatever I may be an expert in is none of your business.
all you really need to know right now is that you are losing the argument.
tough break.
I am curious – explain the right to exist. I’m not saying it doesn’t have the right, but I want to know why it does.
If I decided to setup a country in Devon tomorrow, and occupied it militarily unilaterally declaring independence, would it have a right to exist?
After all, my family used to live there 1000 years ago.
Only if your family came from Khazaria in the northern Caucasus.
Sounds like a barrel of laughs – not.
Rather you than me, sounds like a good deal on your win though.
PS now you are on WordPress – any news on comment edit functionality?
jeremy al-bowen and Jonathan Im-sooo-jealous-of-my-more-successful-but-equally-biased-brother Dimblebore so perfectly epitomise what is wrong about the BBC. vipers the lot of them.
Bien pensant motherfuckers, so biased they aren’t even aware of it. And self-righteous, I bet it makes their dicks hard every time they wring their hands about the wicked Jooooooooos or Americans or evil capitalists.
pardon my French.
you’re just a dick.
Are you kosher, mate?
and so are you.
ra ra ra ra Israel!
ra ra ra ra Israel!
Now fuck off and get your Megaphone out, we’re not interested here.
I wonder if the week in Tuscany was donated by Polly to raise money for charidee ?
If it were, we should have clubbed together and bought it. What fun we could have had…
For fans of MS WoaR the latest instalment of MANDY’S DIARY ONSDAG 22 APRILE is out.
Thanks Mr Swiss – have had a few enquiries and no luck finding a link.
Havel is worth a billion Polly Toynbees
Dear God! Have we printed so much money even she’s on the notes now?
rags? no too old
Shouldn’t that be 175 billion Polly Toynbees? And that’s just for this year, rising to over 750 billion Pollys by 2012.
Also, the Guardian is actually doing relatively well compared to most newspapers. It’s website is pretty popular worldwide and has had over 25 million unique a month. What are you getting these days?
Couple of million hits this month. The Guardian loses £83,000 a day. This blog is profitable. More profitable than the Guardian and Independent combined.
That’s because you are a true hero of the people.
And hopefully, the next Conservative government will place their ads elsewhere. And it’s history for Mrs Polly.
I know they’ve been hit by the advertising downturn – and you’re right that newspapers are struggling to find a profitable business model. Still, I don’t believe that their demise is something to celebrate. It’s in everyone’s interest to have quality papers like the Guardian that can afford to do serious investigative journalism as well as blogs like yours.
Did you really say ‘quality papers like the Guardian’. You have got to be joking, right? Do you ever read the torrent of idiocy in that rag, the Gramscian propaganda, the class hatred &Co? The Guardian needs to die and the sooner the better.
Quality newspapers with writers such as Sir Michael White and Polly ‘I’m not really very wealthy guv, privately educated or anyfing’ Toynbee?
It is only the public sector [sic HMG job ads] that keeps it going at all.
The Guardian needs to keep going. You can’t rail against something that no longer exists. Perhaps we should have a whip round?
Oh for the days when it was “The Manchester Guardian,” before it migrated and the tossers got their hands on it.
I expect The Guardian will not be being printed in 2015. This is an insider view from someone who’s been making money out of online publishing for a decade. Possibly the demise will happen far sooner if the Tories spread public sector job adverts around more.
Only 10 times Guido’s hits for all that huffing and puffing – not to mention dead trees and “climate change”. If it can’t do better online than that, I say give it up now guys – it’ll help save the planet.
My corner shop makes more than minus £80k a day
We should all click on some ads, or buy a book, via here and give GF a revenue boost by way of thanks.
There are no ‘quality newspapers’. Quality is her, on Guido’s blog
The torygraph has descended to advertising products in disguised articles like this one for Norton Antivirus:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/technologyadvice/5199745/Botnets-How-can-you-protect-your-computer.html
or here is one for Sage:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/yourbusiness/5176978/Does-it-work.html
and why are they plugging gold all over the place on the DT?
The main destroyer of the newspapers is the free BBC web services- how can a commercial company compete with a totally free online news service?
Just because you disagree with it’s editorial stance that doesn’t mean it should die out. A plurality of opinion is healthy thing, no? And an example of a quality endeavour: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/series/tax-gap
charraw, it only keeps going because of all the BBC ads, government ads, local government ads, and all the other tax eater ads that are placed in it, as a back-handed government subsidy.
I don’t mind lefties having their own rag, if they want to pay for it themselves, from privately generated income supplying services that people have voluntarily paid for. It’s when I’m forced to cough up for this spew of Monbiotian nonsense, via the tax taken from me to pay for all of these non-job ads, that I object.
Let the free market work out whether the Grauniad is required. Once this back-handed government subsidy is removed, we’ll see.
Would it really be so hard for the government to insist that ALL government jobs are only advertised over the Internet, at mininmal cost to the taxpayer, at something like:
http://www.ukgovernmentjobs.gov.uk
Thereby saving us taxpayers millions of pounds in Guardian advert fees?
Actually, I wouldn’t be surprised that if the Grauniad does ever really start getting close to bankruptcy, that they don’t start using the ‘BBC’ argument, that the proles ought to be forced to subsidise their champagne evenings to bid for Tuscan villas, to ‘ensure’ diversity of opinion via a ‘newspaper-reader licence’ similar to the TV licence, or that they should receive a government subsidy, because they encourage environmentalism so much, and other ‘good’ things. Or some other such rabid marxoid nonsense on stilts.
Parasites.
Are the sales of deadtree porn nose diving as well.
Yes it is.
The Scott Trust needs to start doing their job right.
“To secure the financial and editorial independence of The Guardian in perpetuity: as a quality national newspaper without party affiliation; remaining faithful to liberal tradition; as a profit-seeking enterprise managed in an efficient and cost-effective manner”
So what do they do? Appoint a member of HM Treasury to run the papers. Yup, no party affiliation there then…
The Guardian is writen by 20 yr olds (mentally at least) for 20 year olds. I read it myself in my early 20s when I knew no better – it was quite a good paper then, whcih was a long time ago. Now it’s totally partisan and mendacious, and it’s ludicrous that it’s taken so seriously.
The people running it and working on it are a menace to to free society. See
http://www.guardianlies.com
- especially the section on their stranglehold on the PA, local papers, and the manner in which the lobby depends on planted stories via the PA.
When papers start inventing stories to discredit political opponents it’s time for a boycott.
Instead of course, since all the TV media read it and all the young idealists coming out of ‘university media’courses’ think it’s gospel, its influence is way out of scale with the number sharing its ‘values’ in the oHuhnery at large.
We have a choice whether to buy the rag – we don’t have much choice when it comes to TV news programmes, all of which tend to parrot the same rubbish
It’s essential that the incoming Govt starves the Guardian of public sector job adverts.
The majority of these jobs inc teaching, Cicil Service, Local Govt, social work etc etc can be advertised online, on a designated public sector jobs site.
I only ever read the Guardian to impress a left wing bird I fancied. It worked. So I guess she wasn’t that bright?
To be fair Hoggart’s the best sketch writer by a mile and Polly is pure comedy these days – if you were the manager of someone like her you’d have pointed her to some therepy or shit ages ago. (or just sacked her probably)
I mentioned this before but I travel a lot and the paper that is always given away FREE on aircraft is always the Guardian. As a member of the airline I have made a formal complaint which is under as they now describe it “consideration”.
Perhaps the decison may be delayed due to the bit where it said ‘would you like to suggest alternative reading materials? to which I suggested the Beano or the Dandy but if push came to shove OK mag as being better.
I have a feeling they are still trying to google it.
Mind you I don’t have a good track record in this I was once refused application for a dating ageny on the question of
‘what would you most like to see in a woman’?
Apparently “my dick” is not an acceptable answer.
On what basis did you complain? And regarding the ‘my dick’ part, all I can say is you’re hilarious, mate. Edgy, original humour.
That’s the problem Mr liberal. No sense of humour. Try one of your own. He’s good.
Charlie Brooker still doing the TV reviews in the Gruinad? I think he does.
He wrote about the about Bono’s NO NEWS TODAY charity drive for African aid.
“NO NEWS TODAY” on the front cover of the blank page of the Independent pull-out section.How can this be? Then you spot the footnote: ‘just 6500 Africans died today as a result of preventable diseases.’
Then you notice Damien Hirst’s name on the front cover. Not once, but twice.
The footnote takes on ever more tragic dimensions. The terrible injustice that
6500 people have just died. Yet Damien Hirst still walks the earth.
You turn the page weeping”
Air Nokia
and the beano has better religious coverage
LoL
It was in lieu of a sick bag – economy measure
Labour “economics” at works with your thinking. How can a paper that is losing money hand over fist be doing “pretty good”?
Well you’ve misquoted me – i said “relatively well” and “pretty popular”. At this point I’m probably supposed to say something about Tory “smears”. But when did I say I was a Labour supporter?
Well, at least you got your human rights charter – going to hang it on your study wall at Chez Fawkes? Perhaps you should photocopy if first & send the copy to Gordon so he can see what human rights are actually about, not his shite about PC words & attitudes.
So what would your human right policy look like?
A fucking great big pile of deportation papers, for starters.
Awaiting channel 4 news, just seen an ad of children sinking. Someone should adapt it for “children sinking under Labour’s debt”
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1e8cd910-2f57-11de-a8f6-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1
Bowen, like the majority of Islington, Latte sipping Guardianistas thinks if only those horrible Jews would just be driven into the sea, everything would be OK in the Middle East.
the English gave you that land so why on earth would we want you to be driven into the sea?
your lack of gratitude is vulgar.
You do realise it’s an anti-censorship organisation?
Translation: smokescreen.
I would like to mirror that
Bring it out in the sun where we can all see it.
When words like Guardianistas are used, would it be possible for you to relay how the word should sound, so i can use it in general conversation and sound clever?
You sound clever enough, mate.
How about when proof reading an article, you do so aloud into a microphone and then attach to your headline at the top of the page.
http://www.masada2000.org/
Thank you Anon. There are various sites which go into this kind of history in some detail
Anti-Jewish propaganda frequently masquerades as anti-Zionist propaganda
Most of it is in fact anti-semitic and based on a wholesale re-writing of history, which has sdadly been swallowed and endlessly regurgitated by so-called ‘liberals’. I’d love btw to see some of these liberals living under a Palestinian regime – esp the wimmin.
No-one pretends the Israelis have been whiter than white, but given what they are up against that is hardly surprising. You can’t defeat fire with fluff. they are in a fight for their very survival.
I object very strongly to licence payers of the BBC being forced to fund propaganda for the evil and anti-democratic entities calling themselves Palestinian. They are not interested in ‘Peace’ nor in peaceful co-existence – their refusal to engage in meaningful dialogue has proved that many times over two or three generations. Their interest is only in exterminating Israel
There are some of the elite class of Palestinians who have made an awful lot of money out of this conflict. They have a vested interest in sustaining it. The last thing they want is peace.
israel’s only interest is exterminating Palestinians and occupying Palestine.
you see how it goes round and round.
stop firing rockets and stop killing Palestinians.
easy, innit you cretin.
you must be making money out of the arms sales to israel, right?
I’ve remembered where I’ve seen Mrs Testicles before. It’s Ethel Brown – William’s sis, only shrill and pointless.
A very strong and viable rumour at Westminister that the Labour party has a rogue MP (former minister) who is going to defect on thursday.
£10 on Charles Clarke
If it’s Clarke I hope the Tories ‘repatriate’ him pronto.
How about Kate Hoey, wasn’t she a junior minister way back?
Kate Hoey – along with Frank Field – is one of the very few Laboury MPs I admire
Any party which has her as a member should count themselves lucky.
She has guts and intelligence. Typically, NuLab sidelined her – she thinks for herself – VERBOTEN!
I thought it was going to be Eyebrows but it looks like he bottled it.
a sinking ship leaving the rats
I hope it’s Carline Flint, I bet wouldn’t look too bad after a jet wash, wax and shine
Handy if you want a bit of tarmac laid too. Or you run out of pegs….
Wonder how that traitorous scumbag Quentin Davies is feeling these days? What a twat.
What is it with that sort of name Quentin…Quisling
mmmm
Didn’t you leave out the ‘a’ in defecate?
Some fucker trying to keep his place on the W’minster Gravy train by swopping sides now they’re in shit? Hope they ship him/her back with a polite ‘fuck off’ – sorry – doing polite here – ‘fuck off, please’.
was that defecate?
Leaving the rights and wrongs of whatever is going on in Palestine and Israel you may want to think on this:
Where would Britain be today if instead of talking to the IRA we went in and bombed the shit out of half of Belfast and orchestrated a campaign of removing the Catholics forcibly over the border into Ireland?
Dunno about you but I’m rather glad I’m no longer hearing about IRA bombs blowing seven shades of crap out of the London Underground thank you very much.
Think you’ll find that Brits did all that – they deliberately created a protestant stronghold in the North.
Yes, but when the shit hits the fan we at least recognised that the only way to find a solution was to actually talk. Something that neither Israel nor Hamas seem willing to do. The way they’re going we’ll still be talking about Palestine in another 2000 years…
Guido
I’m not sure it was official policy in the 1920 – more like the protestant majority in Ulster not wanting anything to do with the Free State. The unpleasantness in the North stemmed from that. Though they did miss out on a civil war at the time I believe.
I think discussing the history and politics of NI on this particular site is going to be rather unfruitful. Eh Guido? However: “They deliberately created a protestant stronghold in the North..” Without being provocative, that’s because it was already there? The ‘Government of Ireland Act’ in 1920, pretty much stated the obvious to my mind. Lesser of two evils and all that; the status quo was never an option..
Ducks..
Methinks, I doth protest(ent)..
The north wished to stay with GB (Great Britian, not the snot gobbling Gestapo Brown), thereby continuing the existance of the UK. The majority in Donegall also wished to stay, which would have made a nice ‘United Ulster’, but, sadly, did not get annexed in the end.
And I have to say, even with ZanuLabour driving us into the ground now, I’m still glad I can spend my Stirling, and rejoice that a can of Guinness doesn’t cost three Euro in the local offy.
Isn’t democracy great when you’re on the majority side (even if Donegall got screwed over)?
Never mind… if I meet you in any of the locals that are left (after the smoking ban has destroyed the publican trade), I’ll still happily feed you Guinness all night.
unfruitful, squiggle?
good one!
the palestine/israel conflict is already benefiting from the advice from those inbolved in the northern ireland peace process.
the palestine/israel conflict is infact easier to solve in that the unionists and republicans resolved a conflict about the same plot of land. the current blockade to peace is israel’s occupation of someone elses land.
all we need for peace to begin is for israel to stop occupying palestine.
simple, innit!
your a zionist troll, right? either that or you are just very, very dim.
bless.
So where do they go Numbnuts? You regurgitae some shite you read in Guardian editorial and suddenly you’re an expert.
I ask you again. Have you actually been there?
And be honest coz I can tell.
Talking only works when both sides are civilised.
When one sides whole culture is based around words like
Taquiya
Jizya
and Hudnu
you’re not going to get an agreement worth pissing on (even MoHameds magic piss).
Errrr sorry Guido, but you might want to take a look again at Irish History…..
I think before the Plantations there was also a “Anglo-Irish” ruling class, founded in 1169 and the Norman Invasion. I think you will find names like ‘Adams’ are directly linked to this ruling class
Before that the various parts of Ireland were rival area’s were nobody was in overall control and each had a seperate identity, including the Viking enclave round Dublin.
“Irish nationalism” as it is propogated today, has only existed in reality in the last 400 odd years, and “Irish identity” was really only formulated by romantic writers from the Age of Enlightenment (1750-1830) , like the likes of William Butler Yeats (to name but one) and the founding of the GAA.
And finally the “Brits” didn’t even exist, the UK was founded in 1701- it was settlers from the North of England and Scotland that moved because of the conflict within England between Catholics and Protestants.
“Where would Britain be today if instead of talking to the IRA we went in and bombed the shit out of half of of Belfast andand orchestrated a campaign of removing the Catholics forcibly over the border into Ireland?”
Well – if it was the avowed intention of the IRA to wipe out the entire population of the British Isles I’d say bombing the shit out of Belfast could be a legitimate military objective. As the citizens of Dresden and Hamburg found out 60 years earlier.
I did a special topic history paper at “A” level on Ireland 1815-1950.
The main thing i learned is don’t talk about it.
The IRA made the move to talking, after being fought tooth and nail on its own ground for years. Harold Wilson sent in the SAS and that was the turning point. We fought more dirty than they did.
They realised that they could never realise their political ambitions by military means and so they (ostensibly) turned to dialogue. They were forced there.
the reason the ira had to decommission their weapons was because they switched from military targets to civilian targets when they began the bombing campaign.
that is why, if it does not agree peace, israel will lose this conflict because it has murdered so many innocent civilians.
whoever kills the most civilians loses.
it’s a propaganda thing.
Israel and Hooning Palestine – big fat hairy bollocks to the both of them.
*polite applause*
Nice piece about the budget by Frank Field on the Spectator Coffee House blog.
Mark Thompson was born in London and brought up in Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire,.[2] by his mother, Sydney Corduff, and father, Duncan John Thompson. He was educated by JESUITS at the independent school Stonyhurst College, and from there went up to Merton College, Oxford, where he took a first in English.[1] He edited the university magazine Isis.[3]
Please note the word in capitals.
The BBC has not been subverted. The BBC has always been ultimately controlled by exactly the same people who control all of our main and not so main political party’s.
If you understand the above everything makes sense. If you don’t, then I must assume that just about nothing must make any sense at all, these days.
Unless you understand that things do not make sense, because they have been designed to not make sense by devoutly dishonest people, many of which work for the BBC and all of the other forms of media. Things will continue to make NO SENSE, for the rest of your days.
So now it is all the Catholics fault at the BBC? It is an alternative to blaming the Jews I suppose.
JESUITS == KNIGHTS TEMPLAR or LIZARDS at a guess.
And now at the piano, Tom Lehrer..
I was educated by nuns, what conspiracy am I part of?
None Sarah
Please though Just don’t let it become a habit
The penguin conspiracy.
His mother was called Sydney?? In Welwyn?? Bugger me backwards.
Wonderful! ROFL. A little light relief, this thread is a bit heavy innit?
One suspects the hands of the shocktroops of Opus Dei and the Hitler Youth Continuity Movement (ie the Pope) in all this.
Makes you fink, dunnit?
Have you see that fillim with Tom Hanks’ mullet? Not the Green Mile but summat in France (The Wholly Boil??)… I mean what more proof do you need?
A corrupt organisation that has been around for millenia.
An organisation that has directly or indirectly been involved in Genocide,ethnic cleansing,Regicide and systemic child abuse.
Links to the mafia and countless Billions in swiss bank accounts.
A Boss who may have been a Nazi and also oversaw the covering up of child abuse by his own colleagues.
An organisation whose members forgive and forget all transgretions but will venomously attack any criticism.
Agh the Royal family and Tory party!
Has the Guardian stopped dodging its taxes yet?
Was it Polly’s, Guido? If so, was there a clue as to location?
“The dissident playwright was imprisoned multiple times during the Soviet era by an authoritarian socialist Czech regime, his plays were banned and he was reduced to working in a brewery. After the Velvet Revolution he ended up being President of the freed Czech Republic. ”
Whilst I applaud your work, and the drawing of parallels between yourself & Vaclev Havel- spending time in the pub != working in a brewery. Even if the pub in question is the Westminster Arms. And you are talking to Maguire.
Aside from that- keep up the good work.
Anyone seen/read Tom Stoppard’s “Rock & Roll”? It’s shit.
Someone has done a remix vid of that mad clip of Brown doing all those crazy grins and shoulder shrugs the other day. Very bloody funny.
That’s hilarious!
It looks like he’s playing with his button mushroom off camera.
ho ho ho. I’m crying
Is it just me, or does he look and have the same mannerisms as that other cnut with the same initials George ‘Hoon’ Bush?
Nah, more like that puppet Obama when he hasn’t got an Autocue to tell him what to spout.
funny – but they should have used the birdie song
Sod this, I’m taking a leaf out of Guido’s book. Day off tomorrow, I’m off to the pub to get pissed
I would go tonight and save a few bob.
Better still, go yesterday save a bit more money and at least the pub may still be there
I did go last night, that’s why my post about going to the pub was the last thing I posted last night
Was a good night, I think the pub may need to restock with Jack Daniels though
Love JD but I cannot buy it anymore..cause it started in America…
the money market “vote” on the budget has so far devalued the pound 2% more against the euro since the speech
a sea of red on the exchanges so far tonight, how far will it drope tomorrow? who will lend to this incompetent bunch of bungling buffoons?
Another thing in Havel’s favour is that he was a friend of Zappa. I mean the other way round of course. My son went to state primary school with Hare’s son – but then they went their separate ways when Hare sent his boy to Westminster, where he had gone himself. Socialism? Interesting idea.
Thank fuck David Hares plays will die with him, the talentless lefty git.
Most of them are already dead. The Vertical Hour was absolute shit, embarrassing to watch. “He’s fucked every women from here to Beirut” was one of the more otiose lines, but it didn’t even raise a laugh from the fan club at the Royal Court.
Pity really. The Permanent Way was quite affecting.
The irony is that today’s rise in the top rate of income tax to 50% is likely to affect the champagne socialists of Islington and Hampstead more than the rest of us. I guess with their expense fiddling and tax avoiding these hypocrites won’t notice that much.
150k
Nope!
Its been very carefully worked out
“The dissident playwright was imprisoned multiple times during the Soviet era by an authoritarian socialist Czech regime, his plays were banned and he was reduced to working in a brewery”
I can see why his career path appeals to you, Guido…
we shall fight them in the town halls
we shall fight them with postal votes
we shall fight them with left wing thugs
we shall defend our bath plugs
whatever the tax cost may be
we shall gain votes via immigration
we shall fight them with unmarked police men
we shall fight them with growing hatred and despair
we shall defend our pensions
whatever the tax cost may be
we shall tax them into the gutter
we shall tax them into serfdom
we shall tax there children’s future beyond repair
socialism will never surrender
Churchill said – This is not the end. This is not the beginning of the end. This is the end of the beginning. I sure hope that this budget is the beginning of the end of labour.
Churchill’s speech was aimed at the American’s. Coming forward to bail the British out.
Darling’s was the same only aimed at the IMF.
Is that so? Thanks Bill that’s what I like
about reading this blog – always something else to learn.
Indeed it was. The final, less well known bit is a direct cry for help from the USA.
…we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.”
In other words. If we get beat, then you are going to have to join up with India and Canada and come and rescue us. The British fleet bit {the worlds largest} was also a reminder that if the fleet went to the Nazis they would control the oceans.
The message was also aimed at MPs who were considering surrender after Dunkirk which had just occurred.
Churchill is rumoured to have said after his broadcast, “Fuck knows what with”.
Interestingly it’s been well documented that Churchill lied to Parliament with that speech. All his advisors basically told him the same thing, there was no way to defeat the nazis and we should surrender now while Germany was still offering the UK some semblance of self rule. Churchill’s response was basically, “fuck that, if we’re going down we go down fighting”. It’s been rumoured as well that the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbour was actually instigated and Japan was conned into bringing the USA into the war. Personally I’m of the belief that as with most great turning points in war it was a fluke and Japan really was stupid enough to start a war with the USA. Interestingly the battle of Midway afterwards was another fluke, Japan bombed a US aircraft carrier but thought they’d sunk it. As a result they held back from bombing the US airforce base the carrier was protecting, thinking the remaining carriers were too far away. The surprise they got was not 1 carrier which they were expecting, but 2 which resulted in the decimation of the Japanese fleet
Working in a brewery compared to writing poems??????
Are out of your feckin mind?
An ex Mrs Beast had an uncle who worked for Guinness in Dublin
The Hoon got 6 free pints a day and then some more when it suited him.
His shit was probably the colour of Nelson Mandelas arsehole on a particularly dark night but he was happy.
Labourlist is horrifying. They have people saying that the £150k tax should be 85%, and trade unions should be able to walk out whenever they want without impunity.
It’s almost like they have no idea what that would do for the finances of the country. o_O
1979
Not sure why you think the Grauniad should go broke before the rest of our dreadful media. I consider myself right of centre but now take the Grauniad because at least I know where it is coming from and can aim off for any bias.
The Tittygraph is pathetic, the Times so clumsy, bulky and impenatrable (never mind the quality feel the width) that I cannot cope with it. Where else does one go for adult news?
Hello Just watching Busta Bloodvessel and other old vids on utube. Amazing on how many black artists there are in so called racist times. Bit like I remember. I remember a friend called delroy, a black guy who we used to play football with. Some guys tried to attack him and my brother and friends showed them off. I asked why and he said because he was black. I said yes but why.
How the PC brigade have changed our children in the name of progress.
Racists are not born they are taught and closing down education breeds hatred.
For every racist that the parents raise the state is raising 5 – why?
Working in a brewery compared to writing poems??????
Are you out of your feckin mind?
An ex Mrs Beast had an uncle who worked for Guinness in Dublin
The Hoon got 6 free pints a day and then some more when it suited him.
His shit was probably the colour of Nelson Mandelas arsehole on a particularly dark night but he was happy.
I had to re- type
I wouldnt’ give Index on Censorship a brass farthing Guido – they’ll piss your money away on literary lunches and internships for the sons and daughters of the luvvies you saw around you last night. Some decent people there, I dare say, but predominately cunnts, especially Rohan, the “anti” censorship wallah who invited us all to applaud the murder of Theo Van Gogh.
I worked there for three years – I’m ashamed of my time there. I was suckered. I contributed to producing propaganda that supported and endorsed the illegal war in Kosovo, I was to naive to realise exactly what the magazine was all about.
Slightly O/T,did anyone hear that Scottish Labour Beeboid Eddie Mair on pm?Had a go at Ken Clarke by asking where all the tory cuts would come from.Whatever you think of Ken,he’s a class act in those circs.He so demolished Mair that the hoon was reduced to whimpering “we’re running out of time…”as his debagging continued.
Clarke is way too sharp for that lot.
He’s getting better every day, looking a lot sharper now.
Gordon Brown has today officially twin towned today with Joey Deacon
hmmm……have you ever seen Gordon Brown and Susan Boyle in the same room?
Whats the point Guido?
Bowen is a loathsome toady, scrupulously careful to present his lop-sided views as though they were ‘objective.’
Well done, Guido! About time that Bowen was exposed as a propagandist for the moslem world because he is not an impartial reporter for a broadcasting organisation that never believes it can ever be wrong. Bowen always manages to insert sly distortions in his reports and blackens Israel while never criticising the palestinians for their unprovoked murders and bombings of civilians. It would help if he admitted that he is a member of Hamas and Hizbollah. At least we would know where he is coming from.
Also, it is about time that the BBC released the Balen report which it commissioned several years ago and paid for with licence payers’ money. Our money! It is our report, not the BBC’s! They have refused to release it because it has exposed their institutional anti-Israel bias
The more I read on this blogsite the better it gets. It’s not about Labour or Tory or Liberal, it’s about right and wrong. A true socialist is identical to a caring conservative. You cannot set the working class free without motivation and incentive. By contrast, a champagne socialist is identical to an uncaring Tory, doesn’t give a damn for anybody except him(her/it)self, and actively undermines upward mobility.
Bloomin eck Guido that would fetch a fortune to some from the old soviet block for someone who has found new riches since getting into organised crime…oops I meant since the wall came down….
Any signs of black smoke, or white smoke, from the chimney of the BACP yet? They are supposed to be having the ‘crisis meeting’ this evening to discuss what to do with Draper. Personally I could make a few suggestions.
I hope they don’t sweep Dolly under the carpet, although I have to confess he looks as though that’s what’s happened to him.
The clown prince-dancing!!
http://subrosa-blonde.blogspot.com/
Some of you anti-Israeli gobshites out there really ought close your mouths and get some facts.
Israel is a remarkable place – a country that is hard-wired to compete in the commercial world. It has a population drawn from 100 different countries, speaking 100 different languages. It’s business culture is second-to-none.
in the first quarter of 2008, the top three economies after America in attracting venture capital for start-ups were: Europe $1.53 billion, China $719 million, and Israel $572 million, according to Dow Jones VentureSource.
Remember this is a country with 7 million people, no oil or resources or fuck all.
Ahmadinejad once declared that Israel “has reached its final phase and will soon be wiped out from the geographic scene.”
This was when oil prices went up to nearly $140 a barrel, leaving Ahmadinejad to smugly predict Israels imminent demise. In spite of its vast resources, Iran maintains a welfare state with more than 10 percent unemployment.
Islamic regimes do not trust their people or empower them as individuals.
This is why Gaza will remain a dungheap that cannot produce anything the world wants so long as Hamas control things.
Iran’s economic clout is dependent on extracting oil from the ground. Israel’s is dependent on extracting intelligence from people. Israel’s economic power is renewable, Iran’s is dwindling.
Well said.
I was in Israel before the first war, in 1965. I spent 8 months there working – first volunteering at Masada, then in Eilat at an hotel (16 nationalities worked there), and also on a Kibbutz in Galilee.
The place was a multi-racial, multi-cultural powerhouse (though a few refused to work with Germans, understandably if they had come from the camps). It was a truly inspirational experience – and the country was then run by Socialists (as were the Kibbutzes on communal lines). These Socialists truly believed in and lived their beliefs. I met many prosperous Arabs – some of the Christians.
Most of the country – and it was tiny then – had been desert occupied by nomads, but the Israelis’ sheer graft and imagination enabled them to feed themselves. They were able to absorb huge numbers of people, by constantly developing land and industry, businesses and agriculture.
Even then however schools were being shelled from over the borders (esp from Lebanon) and raiders would come over at night and murder families – kids encluded. The result was that all young people had to serve in the Army. the country was militarised by the constant raids and then the war – which was not of their choosing.
No amount of Arab and terrorist apologists re-writing history will change these facts.
I was there – I saw it. I’m not Jewish btw.
It makes me very angry, that their idealism has been so destroyed by constant violence
Precisely so. A scratch of dirt (for centuries) has become a nice piece of real estate because of the blood, sweat and tears of the Jews and is now coveted by the Armani clad Palestinian elite.
Here’s a fact for you.
Talk about starting as you mean to go on.
Hope you fucking choke on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
And a telling quote from that Wiki.. as much as you can believe Wiki anyway….
“Richard Crossman, a British Labour Party MP, whose experience on the Anglo-American Committee had made him sympathetic to Zionism, visited Chaim Weizmann shortly after the attack. Weizmann’s ambivalence towards Jewish violence was apparent in the conversation. He condemned it but sympathised with its causes. When the King David Hotel bombing was mentioned, Weizmann started crying heavily. He said: “I can’t help feeling proud of our boys. If only it had been a German headquarters, they would have gotten the Victoria Cross.”
Same old, same old..
you see , that’s the problem with you guys, you keep fibbing.
dinner jacket has never said that israel should be wiped off the map.
what he did say in farsi was that zionism should be wiped off the map. the policy of occupying other peoples’ land is a zionist policy.
it’s stealing and it’s wrong.
if you do the wrong thing that is your decision but don’t come here insulting the intelligence of the reader with your self justification of the murder of innocent Palestinian children.
you are behaving like fascist propagandists. shame on your souls.
and lastly, let me make myself completely fucking clear. although you propagandists are too dim to appreciate it, I am in fact debating with you the best ways to ensure Israel’s security.
you are veering very far away from the national interest and I am merely trying to help you get back on track.
so mind your manners.
israel is not self sufficient, it is entirely dependent on american taxpayers subsidies.
TAT, will you kindly fuck off and piss up someone elses leg??? Take your student radical shit somewhere else until you know what the fuck you are talking about
we do not allow bullying in schools
think about it
My 12 year old daughter just came up with that one
Proof? What’s that? You don’t have any? Thought so.
It’s Gazan’s that need to learn to grow up, stop blaming Israel/any other scapegoat and wipe their own asses.
Oh dear…..
Isreal is self sufficient you fuckwit.
Its main industries is tourism, fruit growing and hi-tec industries, it is a world leader in modern irrigation techniques.
It is also a secular state- the mayor of Jerusalem is himself a “Arab Isreali”, people are free to pratice their religion and can support what ever political party, ranging from Communists to the Far right Jewish lobby.
Finally the most important country over the last 10 years has not been America, but the former Soviet Union, because of the inward flux of new Jewish immigrants which have changed the demographic make up and introduced a new political/economic class.
So before printing your drivel-get your facts right!
anonospaz,
er, no.
why don’t you fuck off you dullard. I shan’t be told what to by a dimwit like you. you are such a dopey c’unt you can’t even think of a psuedonym.
show some respect for your intellectual superiors.
thankyou.
How big is £175 billion?
it is £175,000,000,000
or put it another way, a Rolls Royce Phantom costs £271,000
Brown could buy 645,000 Rollers with his overspend- just the overspend in one year
Pillock
tHATS THE OFFICIAL FIGURE, THE TRUTH IS MUCH MUCH WORSE. dARLING LIED THRU HIS TEETH HIS FACIAL EXPRESSION TOLD THE TRUTH.
Ah, so that’s the plan. First price everyone else off the road to make room …..
A billion is about 32 years in seconds so 175 billion is about 5,600 years in seconds.
The problem is this government actually owes trillions not billions…
Great to see Cameron has told Brown to fuck off regarding his “sign in and slope off” proposals. Lib Dems and Tories will vote against them in full.
He has the right idea, curtail what they can claim and they must provide full expenses and receipts unlike Browns, sign in , take the dosh and provide nothing.
Let’s hope you don’t suffer the same fate as Václav Havel. If a black,shiny car draws up at your humble abode – hide in the priest hole.
When I try to take a balanced measure of the right wing views and the left wing views expressed on this blog why do I get the distinct impression that the lefty socialist non-racist PC types are anti-semitic. Is New labour the real Neo Nazis perhaps? Is that why (was it really?) the first use of the new anti-terrorist laws was at a Labour Party Conference against a member who was a Jew? This is really worrying. Why do so many rich Jews support Labour. Surely not just because of the Balfour declaration?
Nazi stands for National Socialist for a reason.
“Is New labour the real Neo Nazis perhaps?”
Oh, do keep up, princess. We’ve had them pegged as Neo-Nazis for months and national socialists for a lot longer.
If the UK population were allowed to own firearms; would we be having this debate?
We are allowed to own firearms.. but that just adds a new revenue stream for .gov, and puts your head above the parapet if the curtain falls..
Don’t worry tho.. if the shit really hits the fan, get down to your local TA/mil base and sign your name on the dotted line…
What was it ZanuLabour referred the Armed Forces as? A Conservative Tool? I’m not telling.. just trying to remember without bothering to look up..
Jeremy Bowen – just as bad as the BBC’s notorious Barbara “weeping for Arafat” Plett:
“Yet when the helicopter carrying the frail old man rose above his ruined compound, I started to cry… without warning.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/3966139.stm
P.S. Arafat died of Aids.
He died a very rich man. Not a penny of it went back into the Camps.
Which if true, is ironic to the point of comedy.
Mind you Randy Jeremy has been looking a little peaky lately, shall we say?
Plett can’t control herself. She has been brainwashed into believing that people like Arafat are on her side. What she fails to understand, ( or more accurately what her utterly brainwashed mind simply will not allow her to understand ) in common with 99.9% of the population, is that there is only two sides as such, to this or any other political issue.
In the BLUE corner is us the common people.
In the RED corner is them, represented by the establishment, their civil service, secret services, their multi national conglomerates, their favorite church in Rome, all enforced and fronted up, by their false dialectic, effective dictatorship, more commonly known as representative parliamentary democracy.
The wife of that old thief Arafat was a beard.
A Thief married to a beard, hmm sounds familar?
link?
Here’s a nice triumphal story of the Labour Übermensch and their endless battle against Terror. It appears that thanks to biometric ID we can celebrate the elimination another insurgency that threatened to destroy our way of life – New Zealand sheep shearers. Slight downside is we may end up having to kill sheep this summer as an alternative to sheering them….
http://www.britishwool.org.uk/news.asp?pageid=74&newsid=649
Sheep farmers are on a collision course for a major welfare crisis this summer as a massive shortfall in shearing gangs from abroad means millions of sheep will have to carry heavy fleeces throughout the hottest months of the year – and some may not even get sheared at all.
Over a quarter of the UK’s 14.5 million sheep are sheared by gangs of shearers from New Zealand and Australia. Around 500 shearers work in the UK every summer and most would normally have now made arrangements for the trip.
But new Government rules covering work permits threaten to keep the southern hemisphere workers at home. So far only one shearer has confirmed he will be coming to the UK.
UK-based shearing contractors – who traditionally hire hundreds of Australian and New Zealand shearers each summer – say a new biometric identity card system introduced by the Government for foreign workers looks like keeping the workforce away from the UK.
The biometric card – costing £200 per applicant – requires workers to travel personally to Canberra for fingerprinting and photographic identity details.
The single shearer who has acquired a biometric card to work in the UK this summer had to travel for eight hours for a three minute interview to supply identity details.
And now shearers have been told that even if they apply for their biometric card it will take at least nine weeks to issue – a delay making it no longer worth them coming to the UK this summer.
etc…….
Bureaucracy Über Alles !
It’s the sheer stupidity of those that govern us which never ceases to amaze
You couldn’t make it up!
PS I suppose the poor farmers who can find no-one to shear their sheep will then be prosecuted under Aminal Welfare legislation!
499 unshagged sheep this Summer.
‘Do you know my son’- (to be pc – nowadays we would include our daughters) – ‘with how little wisdom the world is governed.?’ – It was a quote from the French Revolution – No doubt someone on here can tell me who said it. This quote says so much , for me, about the idiocy of the policies of the current Dept responsible for Agriculture and also about todays budget.
That’s because wisdom comes from self government, not from others ruling you.
They’ll all have to be culled because of Blue Tongue anyway… or another F&M epidemic will be released (accidentally on purpose) by the government. This is to punish farmers for voting Conservative, don’t you know.
I’m relieved there wasn’t a Land Tax in the bodget today, but give them time…
We might have missed that for now but proposals for council tax changes could introduce principles last seen in Hearth and Window Tax schemes.
But think of the improved efficiency – lamb will come ready-roasted.
Must share this it made me giggle.
Newsnight just started with a tableau of Darling dressed as Judy Garland (ie wig etc) and with an old recording of the latter singing “somewhere over the rainbow”.
Noted – the discussion should be fun!
Thick as Pig shite has reminded me to send some pizza to the IDF.
Good eating boys and please accept mine and civilisations thanks!
The IDF: killing terrorists, so we don’t have to.
hey, put your tin hat on anticitizen and go kill some terrorists.
you fucking coward, so very quick to send others to their graves while you sit on your fat arse stirring up trouble.
your a fucking vampire anticitizen and you know what we do with vampires, don’t you?
IDF: killing children cos Huhnes like anticitizen thinks its funny.
you fucking nonce.
I’m glad it wound you up as you’re a terrorist loving, nonsense spouting hoon.
I have had my pound of flesh from you anticitizen.
worth the price.
AntiCitizenOne,
I love your way with words, you are of course right that every hamas terrorist the wonderful and brave IDF and IAF kills is one less for our lads to deal with later.
cassandra, the only possible explanation I can think of to explain your bizarre and grotesque comments is that you’re a mental patient who has gained access to a keyboard while the nurse popped off to get a cup of tea.
you’re a fucking nutter!
are you schizophrenic?
http://www.morphthing.com/image/12230185-gordon-brown-fat-749381-jpg–Saddam-Hussein?key=7f859a8d972016ed7279dde6eaac52cc&d=1
Guido,
Would you slag off Bowen and the BBC a bit more? Otherwise we will have to pull our funding.
Regards from the settlers in Judea and Samaria.
PS Do you fancy one of our deflatable Rachel Corrie dolls?
I celebrate that terrorist enablers death every pancake day.
Israel isn’t just a racist fascist state founded through the ethnic cleansing of the native population with masscres like Dier Yassin and the Lydda death march.
It is also the reason Blair, Goldsmith (and the 80% of Tory MP’s who were in Friends of Israel at the time of the Commons vote) sent our soldiers to die in Iraq. For ‘regional’ (Israeli) security.
But they have Guido’s support.
KB, Total bollocks. Now piss off you palestine obsessed hoon.
Brainwashing victim. Back to the Guardian with you.
all hail the pig king of the cliche.
get some new lines you boring c.unt.
Never come across so many blinded fuckers as on this blog. Get lazer view buddies, see the light
So give us your view then you Hoon.. otherwise you’re just a troll.. and what’s a lazer?
From the horse’s mouth.
Haaretz.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1080244.html
Well i heard a very good rumou earlier that the reason for Brown wanting to change the expenses system very quickly is that he has been told to expect multiple resignation one the mp’s expenses have been published.
Something about Brogan at the Telegraph hearing that Gordon Brown has been told of something very bad in the MP’s expenses and there will have to be resignations.
this could be fun, if its correct then it explains why Brown is so fast wanting to change things.
Well I hope it involves Balls, Cooper and Jackie Smith -because they are amongst the worst offenders. Though no doubt there are more. I saw it said somewhere else that there is a rumour that Charles Clarke is going to cross the floor – that will be interesting, although I wish it were Frank Field. He is , in my view, an honourable MP, too honourable to be associated with this venomous government. At least go Independent Frank for the next election so we know you’ll stay on the back benches, as a balance and voice of reason after the next election.
No, the fat twat knows that the real stinky shit about the Budget won’t come out until next week. Look back, every Brown budget had nasty little secrets that leaked out days after (as it took that long to work out what the fat jock shit had actually done) the Commons farce.
So when that happens next week, the media will have moved on to the expenses story again, but Broon will be happy. I’m guessing the Government will leak out some other bad news as well.
Note how the unemployment figures were ignored by the BBC today (only another 100,000 out of work)
great wonderful..Sunonmars please provide evidence
what do you know?
bugger all if I have the cut of your jib correctly?
Soak the rich I presume.
What a mong
Jesus tomorrows headlines, none look pretty for Labour anywhere.
The Express (I’m astounded) – They’ve Ruined Britain
Daily Mail – Alasdair in Wonderland
The Times – RED all over
The Sun – Robin Good
If you are feeling a bit brassic after the budget, put it all on red for the next election **wink, wink**
Alasdair in Wonderland
Catchy…
Malicedair in Blunderland…..
So are Israel still part of Europe and will they still be performing in Eurovision? I do so enjoy their contributions.
Ha ha, son. Don’t mention the I-word on here, mate. Fucking no-no. Don’t ever talk about any scum, including; burka-wearing terrorists, bully-boy states (including the I-word), pre-op transgenders, rich (but thieving) capitalists, alcoholics (too close to the bone). Just be a good bystander and say what they want to hear. Libertarianism has it’s limits, dontcha know.
Must get the the bog pronto.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/apr/19/derek-draper-psychotherapy
haven’t seen this link here.
just seen that Huhne yvette ‘swindle’ cooper woman? on nn……..
just the same as draper.shouting over everyone.then complaining when she was interrupted……
that’s labour-shout loudest-and when it goes tits (not in her case) blamre it on someone else……….
if these cnuts were a football manager they would have been thrown out a long time ago…….
we just sit and take it!
what a day-unemployment soaring.
debt ditto.
terrorists not actually terrorists-
police inquiry into ian tomlinson try to stop videos being shown.
ministers lied over sats……..
ffs! just another ordinary day in pandemonium!
good point
Mind you if the girl pegged it then ,well ‘tits up’ may infringe trades descriptions? No idea?
Is there as Lawyer in the house?
What the fuck is the Suns main Headline about ?
Why wont these fuckers kill of their relationship with the nu labour project ?
The digger is getting old and is not as smart as he once was.
Or else NuLAB HAVE SOMETHING ON HIM !
Ha ha. Haven’t read it, but it’s all about selling papers. Reverse, indeed perverse, psychology. Did they lead on something almost unbelievable? Probably, and the sheep buy the rag. QED.
The ‘Robin Good’ headline is in Maguire’s rag, the Mirror. Nuff said.
Socialism or “Robbing your way to wealth”*.
*Until we run out of people to rob or enslave.
Can anyone remember the last time Shami Chakrabarti was on the BBC? All those poor Muslims arrested then released and now to be deported yet no bleating Shami. Loads of protesters beaten up no Shami. Shami linked to Damien Green by plods. No Shami.
Normally she’s all over the bloody BBC. She’s not on QT this week. Could it be that the BBC’s favourite liberal is going off message and is likely to make things difficult for 5 bellies (who is on the verge of losing her job)
It is right to make things difficult for 5 bellies (who is on the verge of losing her job)
o/t.saw the news tonight.that fecking twat Brown was laughing and gurning like a moron when Cameron attacked the budget….
nice one gordon.
it’s so fucking funny that you are destroying the country and people are losing their shirts- jobs,houses and savings…….
fucking hilarious!
perhaps if we took back all your properties (and the other members of the crazy gang) and savings and ‘gifts’ under the proceeds of crime act then you wouldnt find it so amusing? hoon.
Tomorrow’s headlines are better than sex.
Just think of all those slavering lefty types in the media who earn over £150,000. It certainly appears that the incompetent bunch of Huhnes have even managed to alienate Pravda now, ffs.
yes the headlines are amazing, loving the Express for once
THEY’VE RUINED BRITAIN…..no shit sherlock.
Ha ha. Bet Hefferlite’s on 150+. No wonder he feels aggrieved. Money for old rope, mate. These mandies are no better than the scum that feed them.
kelvin mckenzie for pm !!
sky news paper review had me in sticthes , kelvin took no prisoners apology had to be made !! , i was wondering why also ??? it wasnt incitement , more general concensus even if a bit full on .
he reckons gordon will be looking for a job , next year
note ed never spoke about problems when he was at treasury , why should he be the next leader ??
yeah he was rather funny, loved the Brown should just get a whisky and a Derringer and do us all a favour quip.
Where the fuck is ‘Spitting Image’ when the country needs it ?
Damn straight! Bring back Spitting Image.
(oh, sorry, I of course meant to say “Damn sexual orientation of your choice!”
As a former resident of the mostly excellent Czech Republic (Prague and Brno) I learned some stuff about Václav Havel and decided he was a fine upstanding chap, who is mostly for the people. I say mostly because I always get let down when I put all my faith in on politician, but havel does seem to be a true dude of the peeps.
And….believe it or not, I met him. YES I DID!!. My very hot Czech GF was and still is a massive fan of the man. So there we were walking in to a rather plush bank one day and who should step out of the car…..yes, Jimmy Saville and President Havel…Seriously… I didn’t recognise Havel but MY GF immediately did and rushed over to him. Thats how I met him. As for Jimmy I said hello.
I would have certainly bid for the document and put it beside my original (actual) US constitution document which my great great grandfather was given by Franklin to keep safe during a bit of bother. Well he got drunk and ended up staggering on to a ship which took him back here complete with constitution of the new country in his sock. When he got back to Arbroath he quickly conjured up a copy because the original looked a little tatty and smelled bad. He sent it to the US where it now sits in a big library in a big metal case.
You know, I just love it when people say ‘I’m not an anti-semite, I’m anti-zionist’. Don’t tell me, I know – some of your best friends are Jews.
Try an experiment – go on a london bus, or the tube – with a skullcap on. Sooner or later, some ‘anti-zionist’ will accuse you of killing defenceless people.
Where does this end? Follow it through logically – an ‘anti-zionist’ hates those that follow the ‘zionist agenda’. That means a large percentage of the Jewish population of Israel. Does it include Israeli children? The terrorists certainly think so. Their logic is that these children will grow up to go into the army, so they are fair game to kill. That’s why a terrorist walked into a cafe in Haifa and detonated himself, killing, amongst others, an eight year old friend of mine, his ten year old brother and their father. So we’ve moved from being anti-zionist to anti-Israeli.
But why stop there? Let’s travel abroad. Diaspora Jews are, on the whole, pro-Israel – they have friends there, they have family there – and they want to keep them safe. So if a large number of Jews in the US, the UK and elsewhere support their family and friends in Israel, what is a poor ‘anti zionist’ to do? He’ll have to hate those Jews too, of course. After all, they are supporting the ‘zionist regime’! But then you will be hating the majority of Jews in the world. And I imagine that is probably the dictionary definition of an anti-semite.
I would recommend that people go and live in Israel, or at least make an effort to stay there for a little while, instead of sitting in ivory towers condemning left, right and centre (or should that just be left?).
Ha ha, son. If they’d bother to abide by The Highway Code, as the rest of have to, that might placate me somewhat.
If they had the selflessness to park in an allotted spot, rather than right outside the fucking entrance, I might warm to them.
If they would regard themselves as anything but ‘a race apart’ they might find friends.
If they were to lose the chip off their fucking shoulder and realise that the laws of the land apply to them too then I might give them the time of day.
Why are they the worst drivers that were ever inflicted on this planet?
I’ll answer that: they don’t think it matters. As long as they arrrive in one piece it’s OK.
Don’t accuse me of anything. I watch, I comment. Extrapolate vis-a-vis the ‘homeland’.
Not normal, son.
Banu qurayza, sirat rasool, Khyber Oasis, jihad, jizya, saudi arabia, oil, cultural marxism, identity politics, progressive policies, social justice.
Your typical anti-semite thinks he/she knows all about Israel and Palestine but has never heard of the first two on the list. In my experience most Israelis haven’t either. Wakey wakey.
oh go back to sleep you fucking moron.
That’s the problem Mr liberal. No sense of humour. Try one of your own. He’s good.
Charlie Brooker still doing the TV reviews in the Gruinad? I think he does.
He wrote about the about Bono’s NO NEWS TODAY charity drive for African aid.
“NO NEWS TODAY” on the front cover of the blank page of the Independent pull-out section.How can this be? Then you spot the footnote: ‘just 6500 Africans died today as a result of preventable diseases.’
Then you notice Damien Hirst’s name on the front cover. Not once, but twice.
The footnote takes on ever more tragic dimensions. The terrible injustice that
6500 people have just died. Yet Damien Hirst still walks the earth.
You turn the page weeping”
Adding to my previous post – I lived two miles from Ramallah for eighteen months. I’ve travelled the length and breadth of the country. If you were writing a thesis, what would you prefer – primary sources or secondary sources? Why not go and look for yourselves?
I genuinely want peace. Can everyone writing here say the same? I doubt it. I get the impression that some of the people writing here have a definition of peace that would translate as ‘no Jews left alive in the newly created State of Palestine’.
There has to be a two state solution, and I pray that day will come soon. I particularly look forward to the day when I can go to Israel and walk into a restaurant in Jerusalem without being scanned like I’m at an airport.
Commenting on UN resolutions – let’s look at how many Moslem countries there are in the UN – it took me five seconds to think of 14 countries, and there are more than 14. There is only one Jewish state. With such a ratio, it’s pretty easy to pass UN resolutions against Israel – that’s why there are so many of them.
The thing that I find frustrating is that there is a food crisis in Zimbabwe, there are men, women and children being killed in the Congo, in Sudan. Yet some of the people here ignore that, and focus on Israel. One person left a comment saying that this was because Israel are ‘second only after the US when it comes to killing’. I suggest you check the numbers of people dead in the Sudan, for example, killed by the janjaweed. But you don’t care, do you?
People talk about the the unfairness of the conflict, the fact that Israel has one of the strongest armies in the world while the Palestinians cannot defend themselves. These same people talk about a ‘holocaust’ in Gaza, seemingly unaware of the incredibly obvious contradiction present here – if Israel really, really wanted to do it, there would not be a man, woman or child alive in Gaza today.
Think about it. What could surrounding countries do? Israel could beat them quite easily, as it has shown. Iran doesn’t have a nuke – yet. World Opinion wouldn’t stand for it? According to you, Israel cares nothing for world opinion anyway.
Anyway, I’m hoping for peace in our time (and not Neville Chamberlain’s definition of peace, but a real peace between Israelis and Palestinians.)
Yawn
a thoughtful piece anon thankyou .
some people are a bit selective when it comes to history, however brutalities aside , some of us a very concerned that islam is unable to speak or control its outreach to even try and fit in with a modern world , isarel has been tolerant enough to allow the churches to function and christian pilgrims to visit its lands as friends .
islam shows no sign it would be so tolerant , judaism pre dates it as well as christianity , iam sure the time must come when islam must take a good look at itself and ask the question if it wishes to make a sacrifice for peace , until then it will weave money , drugs , pirates, ak47s , terrorism and war lord clerics into an unstable mess .
if it cannot reform itself , and its shcolars change its message and its deeds then peace will be lost because of it .
to me islam has alot of work to do , and hasnt got past the gun waving phase yet .
may your country find peace and your children not have to learn war
Hey man!
Middle East for Middle-Easterners, bro. Seeing as how The Europeans whipped our arses over here, we got plenty of space for another nomadic tribe. Bring a bottle.
RJ
Ha ha. You don’t like it up you, do you? My comments were on very real observations, having lived in a certain area for 10 years. You are as bad as The Telegraph and possibly even more hypocritical, if that is possible. Everyone is petrified of the truth these days. that’s why we are where we are. Thank fuck that I ain’t scared to say anything, mate.
Cobblers.
Perhaps Guido missed
http://wrinkledweasel.blogspot.com/2009/04/biased-bbc-shits-on-your-head.html
in which I condemn the BBC for rewarding Bowen with a top of the news ringside seat to see the man in a dinner jacket..
sorry folks as well old holborns clement freud joke , see daily mash on GB mps expenses , mmm class
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Salmond
Some prankster has changed his name on Wikipedia. So funny!
The leftist/socialists hide their jew hatred but its as powerful now as it was under national socialist Germany, the pure spite and vitriol directed against Israel on this blog proves it beyond doubt.
The foaming socialist/leftist/Marxists can dress up and hide their anti semitism all they like but it shines through all the same.
The sad thing is there could be peace tomorow IF hamas wanted it BUT the very last thing hamas and the palestinians want is real and lasting peace, they revel in their hatred and spite, they love their victim status, they wallow in it while they live only for revenge, they happily send their children to their deaths, what kind of perverted hatred is that?
There will only be peace when the Palestinians start to love their children MORE than they hate the Jews.
The useful idiots in the West are assisting Jew haters and terrible conflict while attacking the very people they should be supporting.
oh gawd, you’re not still ranting on are you?
obviously your schizo medication hasn’t kicked in yet.
Cassandra is bang on the money!
People like TAT with his/her agitprop actually prove the point rather well.
According to TAT and fellow travellers the only “evil” people in the world are:
1.Jews
2.American
3.”Right wingers”
Of course TAT et al have never picked up a history book in their lives, visited the region or read anything more taxing than the Beano.While the “Zionists” are the target of their anger, they forget that their “brother” Arabs have also done there bit to kill of their Pally friends.
So TAT-any comments on the following:
1) The Pally uprising and subsequent crushing by the Jordanian Army which led to Black September being formed between 1968-1970?
2)The Lebenonese Civil War 1977 between the PLO and the Lebonese Government?
3)Saddam’s treatment (re-torture) of Palestinian “guest workers” in Kuwait during the invasion in 1990-91?
4)The forceable removal of Palestinians by the Syrian and Eygptian Governments over the last 20 years?
5)Why didn’t the occupied West Bank come out in support of Gaza earlier this year?
The “Palestinian problem” serves as a useful focus of hatred for number despotic governments in the M.E, in the same manner that Goldstien served his purpose for the Party in 1984. That middle class, ill educated twats like TAT swallow it just shows how ignorant they are.
um, al beeb reporter, so, is this supposed to be your defence for Israel murdering Palestinian children?
useless.
hold on…….you are satan and I claim my place in heaven for defeating your black magic satanism.
you aint no mensch, you’re a bit like Hitler you are.
“Poison” on TV to-day reckons that the 50% tax on “the rich” WILL divide the Tories and has belivered the election for Brown !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The man’s a “fucking idiot”!
If anything, it will bring the tories out in even bigger numbers at the election, Gordo united the opposition. Own Goal.
belivered ? should of course read delivered but the man’s still a fucking idiot!!!!
Draper has received an all round bollicking. Anyone know if Mandy has ever given him one?
So has Balls apologised for LYING to parliment then?
Will Gorbals Mick investigate an accusation of bringing dishonor into the House of Commons?
I’m not holding my fucking breath.
Isn’t it about time the army was called in?
You think the army hasn’t already been told to get ready?
My betting is every army base in the UK has been ordered to stand ready, they just haven’t told the soldiers yet…
All the other Ayyrabs – hungry work sitting on their arses all day saying ‘tut, tut, anyway nice weather we’re having’. Israel v Palestine – the show that never ends.
http://www.moneyweek.com/news-and-charts/economics/gordon-browns-great-jobs-data-swindle.aspx
2005 – Gordon Brown’s great jobs data swindle
Could Britain already be tipping into a serious economic downturn? Something curious has happened to Gordon Brown’s ‘miracle’ economy. It has stopped producing private sector jobs. In fact, it stopped producing them in the summer of 2003…………what Mr Brown forgot to mention was the cost to taxpayers of nationalising the labour force
Genuflect, muthafucka!
hadnt seen it that way , i think your right, what a hoon if thats the idea , defficient budget to upset the tories and roger the rest of us .
really hitting nutter status
Working in a brewery is a noble profession, it’s not something you get reduced to.
Darling’s Budget is just the job!
You probably bought something that is likely to appreciate in value
Maybe we should get notables from this country to sign different copies to remember a time before this government
just watch Darling wash TV on aljabeeba , kept wondering if extra security was on instudio in case osbourne bumped into him.
however most days i get annoyed when pciture is minimised to make room for sign languange bloke to do the news , worth every penny today , i got those hand gestures and facial expressions straight away , the one finger sign was particulary apt .
then had some sort of ventriloquist act with mandelson and ed milliband saying were gonna blow £405 million on burning coal and then putting nasty gases back into sea bed in north sea ??? but funnily no test facility has yet been made to work.
caesars wife thinks , CO2 is a gas , what if you put it into sea bed and it leaks out , there be more polar bears with no jobs , he also recalls coal as being the most CO2 producing fuel ever , so a lot of money is going to make some leccy from the most polluting fuel , to fund a capture and storage that isnt proven safe .
its not another making scam is it ???
Speaking of censorship… and vaguely on-topic.
I still play on Nic Robinson’s blog because it’s fun getting stuff past the moderators that then gets hauled off when a supervisor reads it, calls up Aunty and tells them to haul for some made-up reason from the ‘rules’ grab-bag.
Otherwise it does get tiresome being removed all the time from an entity I co-fund simply because it doesn’t meet their world view, but hence at least adds to my file come the court case.
One good one is the use of ‘comments now closed’, which seems to happen rather arbitrarily, based on no measure I can assess save it’s all going pear-shaped and its favourite funding collector has told ‘em to pull the plug.
Take this gem…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2009/04/worthy_or_waste.html
Maybe you just wait ’til the rebuttal squad or nutter gets four in a row (151 -155) and then pull the plug on a high note?
ps: Do check out the Grauniad’s latest ‘poll’ phrasing: ‘Do you think a) the speed limits should be brought to a sensible level, or b) are you a Daily Mail-reading nun-killer? (Note: results will be used by the BBC, headed ‘Research shows…’
I’ve given up even attempting to talk on there after I had 4 or 5 comments removed. Copied them to here, no swearing, just comments on what NR had said and how I couldn’t believe as political editor not one person had sent him a text regarding the McBride story. By the time that blog finished I think the comments were running about 50:50 moderated and passed, I’ve never seen such a high number of posts get pulled in all my life. Noticed as well that nearly all the ones pulled were Guido users, but that may just be coincidence (not that I wouldn’t put it past them)
Well you can take the piss out of the Guardian and its readers if you like but I didn’t see any Tory paper hosting the awards.
Never known a real Irishman to take the side of the oppressor. Guido, Middle Eastern politics really ain’t your bag. Stick to the righteous bashing of corrupt MPs – something you are actually good at.
Obviously nobody objected to the censorship of the Dragodan Massacre where over 210 unarmed civilians were murdered outside our military HQ by NATO police in Kosovo. Or the other acts of genocide. or the sexial enslavement of children. Or the kidnapping & dissecting while still alive of thousands for the body parts, all carried out by our police with our government’s assistance.
[...] while we’re on Guido, it’s interesting to note that Guido himself was in the Guardian building this week – via Jon [...]
Hmmm. Wonder how iconoclastic Guido really is. Research the Havel family (prop. most of central Prague before and during WW2), and their relationship with Reichsprotektor Reinhard (“Uncle Reino” to little Vasek) Heydrich.
Bowen could hardly be anti-Israel by telling the truth …….Oh hang on telling th truth is what Israel is afraid of …No wonder Bowen got censored