Red Rag : the Others Who Knew at Labour HQ
The Labour Party’s general secretary, Ray Collins, denies knowledge of the Red Rag attack site. Yet the News of the World placed him at a planning meeting held on December 1, 2008 at Unite’s HQ. He was there with the now disgraced spin and smear merchants Damian McBride and Derek Draper. On the Unite side were Charlie Whelan and Andrew Dodghson. Kevin Maguire completed the dirty half-dozen. Guido believes that although Collins did not know of the specific intended smears outlined in the January email by McBride to Draper, he did however know of the intention to launch the anonymous attack site. Nor was he the only person at Labour HQ who was aware of the intention to set-up the “plausibly deniable” site.
On Friday Guido spoke with Dan Thain, who was until recently the Labour Party’s eCampaigns Manager based in Labour’s HQ at 39 Victoria Street, he now works in the London office of Blue State Digital (famous for being Obama’s online people). He admitted on the record that:
- He knew in principle about the plan to set-up an anonymous Labour attack blog.
- He denied knowing about specifics such as the smears or the name of the site.
He indicated that Sue Macmillan, New Media Campaigns Taskforce Leader at Labour HQ, was also in the know. She worked closely with Derek Draper. The obvious question for Collins, Thain and Macmillan to answer is:
Why if it was not the intention to use the Red Rag site for below the belt, spin and smears, was it set up with an anonymous and therefore plausibly deniable structure, outside the Labour Party?
The mere fact that they didn’t want it to have any link back to the party was because it was always intended for it to be used to smear opponents in a way that they would be too ashamed to do openly. That was implicit in the setting up of the site. Ray Collins can hardly claim to have no responsibility for the site just because he didn’t know which particular smears were going to be used. He still helped plan and facilitate the setting-up of the smear site.
Numerous “blogger’s breakfasts” were organised by Derek Draper at Labour HQ with invitations sent to dozens of bloggers [invitation list for the December 4, 2008 blogger's breakfast revealed by Guido here]. Attendees of the blogger’s breakfasts organised by Derek Draper held at Labour HQ confirm to Guido that the idea of setting up an attack blog was openly discussed. In fact at all the meetings the discussions invariably came back to how to take on and counter the success of the ConservativeHome, Iain Dale and Guido blogs. Guido has a detailed picture of discussions held at those breakfasts.
+++ Developing +++
Just want to be first to comment. Haven’t read the above yet but have been waiting all day!
Ist again, I’ll get there one day
Weak.
Yes TB, was it worth the wait? It doesn’t land a punch….yet. let’s see what ‘developing’produces…..
Keep going Guido – It’s all Balls but you’re taking them down one by one.
No i meant waiting to be the 1st person to comment without even reading is weak.
the story is pretty damaging – Ray Collins has been more than liberal with the truth.
so weak?
I for one will certainly remember you for your devotion, anonymous and praise your name everytime I see it here!
So what!
Re this list:
Might be rewarding to find out how they all feel about RedRag and Drippy/McBride smears.
http://www.order-order.com/2008/12/exclusive-meanwhile-over-at-labour-hq/
*Invitation list to Labour’s digerati: Tom Watson (Guido passim), Colin Byrne (CEO, Weber Shandwick), Sadie Smith (ex-Westmonster), Mark Hanson (spinner), Simon Buckby (Popbitch’s spinner boyfriend), David Clark, Charlie Whelan (Unite, former Gordon bruiser), Chuka Umunna, Sue Macmillan, DJ Collins (Google spinner), Sarah Mulholland, Richard Angell, Ed Owen, Simon Alcock, Wee Dougie Alexander, Patrick Diamond, Sunder Katwala (Fabians), Gavin Hayes (Compass), Jessica Asato, Robert Philpot, Richard Huntington, Tristram Hunt, Ben Wegg-Prosser (Mandy’s protege), Damian McBride (Downing Street spinner for Gordon), Andrew Dodgshon, Theo Blackwell, Tom Miller, Tim Allan (Portland CEO), David Bradshaw, Stuart Bruce (Alan Johnson’s leadership spinner, Labour new media guru), Jag Singh (LabourHome and Hilary online campaign guru), Matt Strong, Paul Simpson, Spencer Livermore (ex Gordon spinner), Ed Owen, Chris McShane, Matthew Taylor (RSA boss, ex-Blair policy unit), Alex Finnegan, John Miles, Adam Dustagheer, Dan Thain (Labour HQ), Mark Lucas (Silverfish), Luke Pollard, James Crabtree, Tim Shand, Alex Hilton (LabourHome), Simon Redfern, William Davies, Howard Dawber, Nick Anstead, Richard Lane, Jon Steinberg, Pete Bowyer, Steve Cowan, Hopi Sen, Luke Bozier, Andy Regan, Toby Flux, David Taylor, Chris McShane, Matthew McGregor, Noel Hatch, Sunny Hundal (the supposedly independent Liberal Conspiracy), Greg Jackson, Dave Prescott (son of), Luke Akehurst (spinner Weber Shandwick), Phil Dilks, Jonathan Upton, Simon Fletcher, Tom Price, John Stolliday, Adrian McMenamin (CBI & HateMyTory.com), Paul Hilder, Paul Miller, Ben Brandzel, Anthony Painter, Ravi Gurumurthy.
I knew that you would come through Guido.
Sweet dreams SpAds!!
None of the people mentioned here, beyond McBride, are SpAds though.
So the Baron of Boy has pronounced that Smeargate is now “over.”
So that’s alright then.
Is anyone listening?
Is anyone listening? What ??
I wonder if all this has put back the elections until next year ???
No chance of a change of Government for another 12 months now !!!
FFS …. this has helped bankrupt the country….
As if Gordo was going to relinquish power early anyway!
“”Secret Hillsborough disaster files to be made public by the Government”"
Quick…. get something else out there in the news to get rid of the “red rag” affair….
If you can’t bury bad news…. at least cover it over with a load of other controversial news from the Thatcher era
It will not be enough – they will lean on Darling to have a budget, or some big event like that. Utter disgraces!
which will declare the recession over by next week next nonth or even christmas just in time for the election
Its worth considering what Lord Mandelmort is really up to here. The Daily Mail has an interesting report which might shed light on the subject.
Mandalson appears on the BBC and states that the ‘smeargate scandal is over’and hey presto, the BBC removes any reference to the said scandal.
So the BBC takes orders from mandelson, he snaps his fingers and the BBC sits up and begs, funny that eh?
LOL OMG
Thank God for that. At ease.
We waited all day for this? Nothing new here….
It’s pretty damning though if you are bored have some totty instead:
http://is.gd/tlks
It’s another piece in the jigsaw.
It expands the scope and number of people who knew about the web site and its intended purpose.
We waited all day for this?
If you can’t have kids it’s still not too late TO GET A LIFE.
Nothing new? Nobody knew this this time yesterday and to me, having just come back from picnicing with fiends in the country, I think it is pretty damn explosive.
fiends in the country – could have been fiends in town
Then you’re an idiot, it’s acomplete non story with no substance
Keep that in mind tomorrow, when Guido exposes you….saddo.
Christ, why are all these Labour people so fugly?
At last…
collins is a disseminating c*unt.
ray knew the fucking score.
ray’s a spastic.
“disseminating”?
TaT’s been reading books again.
Spastic.
Guido, could you please introduce a spastic filter to stop the cretins like fly blower getting in?
note to torydaleks and labour trolls: please do not abuse Guido’s hospitality by making inane and irrelevant comments.
the golden rule to blogging is – if in doubt, don’t post.
this place is being littered with your garbage contributions and is in danger of being overrun by you spastics.
you are BORING!
please try harder, much harder.
thankyou.
Take your own advice. And don’t call people ‘spastics’. Idiot.
Now then girls
If you don’t mind, it’s “windowlickers”, not “spastics”.
My stepson’s a spastic, and a quadraplegic, and autistic, and learning disabled.
He’s still a far better human being than you, flyblo.
Go and screw Harman_Pride, you Hoon.
denver’s a hen,
and thank you for proving my point.
if a spaz-filter were implemented then this thread would not have been soiled by your pointless little outburst.
try not to be such a fucking old nag, eh?
why don’t you fuck off to conservativefoam, a tit like you will feel right at home there.
you dick.
Lol. You are pretty thick, as thieves.
‘Garbage’contributions? ‘Inane and irrelevant comments’?
Talk about taking yourself hostage. Dickhead.
oh dear, I suppose you can’t hassle your husband because he hasn’t got home from the pub yet. eh, love?
if I were him I wouldn’t want to have to come home to a nagging old fishwife like you either!
poor bastard.
please stalk someone else, I am out of your league.
goodbye.
Glad you’re ok Guido
I second that!
Nice to know he hasn’t been ‘Kelly’d’
Please keep up the excellent work. At least some of us understand it isn’t purely partisan and is about the preservation of Democracy in our once-great nation.
God bless you, Mr Fawkes!
Who wants to preserve democracy?
Try reading Professor Hans-Herrmann Hoppe’s ‘Democracy: The God That Failed’, if you’d like to see an alternative view.
Democracy is the root cause of all of this socialist nonsense. The Greeks knew mob-ocracy was a disaster, and soon abandoned it after the democratic murder of Socrates in Athens. The Romans also knew mob-ocracy was a disaster, and did all they could with the Republic to stop mob-ocracy taking over. When they failed, and the mob and the client state finally took over in the age of the Emperors, the Roman intellectuals of the day knew it was only a question of time before Rome became an empire of serfs, as the western world has also become under mob-ocracy, with most of the population labouring under crippling tax burdens to keep the rulers in clover.
Even the framers of the US constitution knew mob-ocracy was dangerous and did all they could with states rights and other controls to stop its growth. Yes, they failed, and all of these controls were whittled away, particularly under mass murderer Lincoln, until democracy finally won and gave us the socialist knucklehead Obama. But when this teleprompted cretin has destroyed America in 8 years’time, we’ll see how wonderful mob-ocracy is once again.
This is where those who attempt to ‘reform’parliament, and stop it being ‘corrupt’have got it completely wrong. It is democracy which makes parliament corrupt. It is not parliament which is corrupting democracy.
As long as six men can vote to legitimately rob four men, we will have war, poverty, corruption, and diminishing freedoms.
And yes, this may be a bit strong for five to nine in the morning, replying to a reply on a blog post, but I don’t support Guido because he is ‘defending’democracy. I’m supporting Guido because he is showing up democracy for what it is; a gigantic wealth-stealing and liberty-stealing machine, designed to ideologically disguise and cover a band of robbers writ large, ie. the state.
And good for him.
You can keep democracy and shove it into the dustbin of history. It really is a God that has failed.
I told you!
You were right! Nice spot.
This is going to be fun….
Bit of a let down to be honest
You’re alive! Bout bloody time an’all.
told you it was all over
Welcome back!
This story is officially over and I’ve told the BBC not to cover it any more. Otherwise, I’ll send Lord Hutton over.
all of the above,
er, you dopey c’unts were obviously in such a rush to post your pathetic contributions that you failed to read my earlier post.
read it now.
please desist from writing BORING FUCKING SHIT like your above posts.
they were completely pointless comments.
raise your game or fuck off.
retards.
many thanks,
thick as thieves
“collins is a disseminating c*unt.
ray knew the fucking score.
ray’s a spastic.”
Very profound thicko
LOL
yes, I thought it was rather pithy aswell.
keep reading numbnuts, you might learn something.
you can go now.
As they say in all the best detective stories…’the thick plottens’…..or something like that anyway. Well done Guido, more power to your keyboard.
Crawler!
Crawler.
No, not ‘the thick plottens’, it’s ‘the thot plickens’.
should that be:
snot thickens?
“Guido believes that…”
Oh dear, such a disappointment.
Hmmm. There may be something in this story.
Guido you promised us more on Toilets Maguire. Where is it?
Rome wasnt built in a day……so you shouldnt expect it to be destroyed in a day !
Ever heard of Watergate? How long did that take?
Is Toenails back from his hols tomorrow? He can fill in the details using his excellent contacts in the Lobby. Oh no, silly me, Lord Mandlebum has told him the issue is closed.
Hmmm. With the build-up that preceded it, I was expected something more along these lines. Still, keep updating!
It’s the red bits that do in my noodle.
And well done ‘A Psychologist’for spotting and explaining my noodle-doer-inner’s (Guido’s) technique…
I’ll suppose I’ll just have to enjoy the comments until the next installment of “Mandy’s Ghost Story: the News that Wouldn’t Die”.
I knew that if I took a shower Guido would open up whilst I was away.
You may thank me, sheeple!
Erm….I’d rather not, if it’s all the same to you, ta!
But I’m glad you’re not so grimey, Mr Grimes!
*boom-fucking-tish*
hardly any more smoking guns.
If only there was an email from our sub prime minister encoraging his underlings to smear those fuckers in oposition
He’s dumb that Scotch (sic) treasure plunderer but not absolutely raving mad, yet!
Take a gander at the picture of his No 13 war room and where he sits, to see why he didn’t need to send email.
Even cyclops could squint over and read the screens of Chief Sewer Rat.
I think I’ve just come.
This cabal should have had bran-based breakfasts at their meetings in order to vent their ordure more naturally.
Cheers Guy!
Was Mark Oaten invited? Is that where he gets his name from? Or should it be Wheaten?
That’s just what they do in Eastleigh, and Winchester
parturiunt montes, nascetur ridiculus mus.
A mouse that roars?
nascitur surely ?
Nah mate its yer actual future innit? and itur would be a false faaaaackin quantity. As such.
parturient surely?
Nothing new here folks. We waited all day for this? So they had a meeting. So what? It hardly confirms that all those people knew the terrible stuff that was being planned by a couple of sickos, more especially the Cameron one. Am I missing something?
Yup.
It’s the fact that he has a confirmed source detailing the content of the meetings. So it’s not just “I think they talked about” it’s “it’s been confirmed that they talked about”
Needs to be snappier; ie. Draper or whoever else said “noone else knew about attack plans” soundbite. But this source exposes that as a lie etc.
Thank you my Lord Fondlebum.
news of the world rehash…….so no further forward……arrane the following words into the correct order………squib damp
Is that it? Pathetic.
Hahaha! What a shit non-scoop! You Hoon! So basically, you have a vague piece of sort-of evidence (based on an ‘on the record’discussion) that suggests that the News of the World’s shit non-scoop this morning was probably partially accurate. Well woop-de-doop! Nobody’s resigning over this! The bloggers’breakfast stuff has been all over the Labour blogs for days.
Either a) you’re losing your touch, b) you had another story but you’ve pulled it because of legal issues (what happened to the promised Maguire bit? or c) the MSM beat you to it and you’ve spent all day concocting that damp squib.
Whichever – you’re a hoon!
I don’t think Guido’s a hoon, but I wonder if b) may be near the truth?
Do I sense relief has overcome the smell of fear?
Well don’t hold your breath, you hoon – it ain’t over until 5-Bellies squeals.
It seems an awfully small story compared to the anticipation that we all felt after the 24 hour build up of excitement. I was hoping for the magic bullet that was going to take Labour down and free us all.
Was Guido on a picnic with his lawyers?
To ZaNuLab: Your dear race sank low when it spawned such cowards.
So McBride was the main man. He emailed Draper and Whelan and Collins.
But the only one who has links to McBride directly is Draper. He is on all the emails and meetings.
If Derek ‘Hoffa’Draper suddenly disappeared would anyone be surprised?
Guido, you’re a fucking Huhne and you wasted my day. Fuck off.
You wasted your own day.
Maybe leave the computer and do something on such a nice day?
Well, you obviously need another hobby then!
May I recommend allotmenteering? I’ve just had a nice afternoon in the sunshine growing my own grub in preparation for the economic cataclysm ready to engulf us all.
Perhaps you should spend your time more usefully doing the same.
Have you tried Tea wine, it fills in the time between the soft fruits and the root vegetable?
It’s like trying to pick up mercury with a fork but keep the pressure up Guido, the Hoons will implode.
Andrew Dodgshon [spelling ?]
I went to school with an Andrew ‘Sniffer’Dodghson.
Was it ladies’bicycle saddles?
Gosh, it might actually be him. Anyone know where he worked before Unite.
Well spotted. Typo, should be
Andrew Dogshit
Or is it A. Dodgyhoon ??
There must be minutes of these discussions or something about, the real question is though which person or with who’s credit card registered the domain name.
I get the very distinct impression that, at present, for whatever reason (my guess is it’s most likely legal), Guido is only able to give us part of the story and the full sack load of the Brown stuff will hit the fan in the next few days. Guido always produces the goods!
Probably an injunction out, but too hard to find a sober judge to hear it on a Sunday evening.
I concur. it’s likely much discussion preceded this post. and note the very last part of it -
“Guido has a detailed picture of discussions held at those breakfasts.
+++ Developing +++”
That’s it Guido, trickle it out…:D
The sooner this lame duck administration bleeds to death from it’s self inflicted wounds, the sooner we can get on with the deployment of some fixes to the UK’s problems.
Fixes? We’ve done them.
My budget, which the Brown Broadcasting Corp has just released across all news bulletins as its top six items says:
*15 billion in cuts will be obtained through efficiency savings
*The economy will go Green
Now get back to work, the crisis is over because that’s the right thing to do.
(Thanks Peter so glad you put the hacks back on track last night)
Hi Guido. I hope you enjoyed your picnic. Sunday is a rest day and you deserve it. Well done and thankyou.
Before too many dismiss this as trivial, don’t forget that when the story broke, Dolly and McBride not only denied that anyone else knew, they also pretended it was just an idea they knocked around that was never going to see the light of day.
The revelations to date declare for all the world to see that this was a major project, with several major players, and that it appears to have been common knowledge. It is also inconceivable that Gordon Brown was not informed of this. Perhaps the most obvious point about today’s story is that there will be more denials or confessions. Remember, this has been forced out of them and they are still on the back foot. Any idea that the story is dead has seen nothing.
Kinda buggers Maguire’s credentials as an independent journalist. It seems he is just a lickspittle of the Party.
A “Useful Idiot” as Comrade Stalin described them though his usefulness must be called into question now.
Lord Fondleboy of Bottom may well be correct. There isn’t too much meat on the bone.
We all know the guilty, but they can probably bluff out this particular piece.
What we hunger and crave is the next smoking gun.
Guido, please tell you have it.
I do hope that Guido dosnt fall into a trap, labour may have many faults but ignorance in the art of spin isnt one of them
You have embarrased too many people, watch yer back me old mucker
Ignorance in the utilisation of IT equipment though, is definately a Labour failing. And the MSM aren’t much brighter in that department, being as they were all still running with the “Dolly got hacked” theory two days after the main event, when it was only one of a number of possibilities (and a minor one at that, given others were cc’d).
Spin has kept this government alive since 1997, but once the plug is pulled on this, their only life support mechanism, they are well and truly up shit creek in need of the largest paddle the gods (if Labour have any, which is looking pretty bloody remote) can supply. With a talentless incompetent shower of Cabinet Ministers possessing little if any credibility as they front bullshit policies, and with a groundswell of rising discord (or disgust – take your pick) at grass roots level, this party is no more. It has ceased to be. It is an ex-party. Or soon to be. For at least a generation and potentially an eternity if Clegg got his finger out of his backside and grabbed the opportunity presenting itself right now to drive them into third place at the GE.
PS: The Scarfe cartoon on Ms J Smith is being printed and framed. The other half objected to a lavatory positioning on the grounds that the very thought of the woman makes her ill, so I compromised with the den placement. The “Brown Quantative Easing” cartoon is also a must see.
Bless you Gerald, and you too Guido for the linkage.
I have to admit that I’m slightly disappointed by this story. Hopefully there is more to come…
Still, how can people criticise Guido after the fun and games of last weekend and claiming the scalp of Snotty’s right hand man?!
Guido is getting there – remember how he tormented Dolly for weeks?
Softly, softly, and hope the writs don’t hit the fan.
Guido is scraping the barrel. I was looking forward to more sordid tales from the sewer known as number 10 downing street.
What a disappointment. The Huhnes will be “drawing a line under this” as we speak.
steady fella. Guido is taking on the power of government. I’m sure you wouldn’t want him to fall through thin ice. He knows what he is doing and remember patience has been a prominent theme in his posts on this.
“Drawing a line, learning the lessons,moving on, getting on with the job”….
Standard Labspeak deployed whenever another jobby hits the proverbial fan.
Yes and another big one is building up to splat the Testicular sewer rat
Baby P’s killers on trial
http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/xhibit/centralcriminalcourt.htm
Court 8 T20087422
STEVEN BARKER
TRACEY CONNELLY
For Trial (No Witnesses) – Hearing finished for TRACEY MARCELLA CONNELLY – 11:55
BABY P
They might try and ‘draw a line under it’ but the damage is done, the spin machine is finally exposed, the MSM exposed and the public now see it.
Any new revelations will have to be kept until after the budget, a sit is a potentially seismic event. Firstly, after the spin, smear and lie scandal is at the forefront of public thinking, the ‘Chancellor’Alistair Darling will have every word, every phrase he utters eviscerated. Any greenwashing, environmentalist nutter taxes, ‘future’initiatives, ‘intentions to do’, reviews, electoral bribes -anything could finish them. Guido just needs to administer more pain and punishment – after the budget when MacLoon and his clown ‘government’run to spin the story of the wreckage, and then set off the follow up ‘car bomb’in time for the Euro-elections.
The Irish are used to fighting long wars……..
Now that Dolly will have to find a proper job, do you think he might be able to afford a bottle of head & shoulders?
Well, if the Yanks need oil, they won’t need to invade a country, just land a marine brigade on Drapers head, which is also a WSD (Weapon of Self Delusion)
Another nice turn of events to keep the pot boiling. All Guido has to do is keep the news, um, hounds on the trail.
Then on Wednesday we will have the budget., what a car crash that is going to be – literally and metaphorically!
:S
oooo too soon…
or maybe you havent watched the news…
Shit, that’s it?
this is drip from a swollen prostate
next time … don’t hype or sell the story ….just drop it out of the blue and watch it grow ….!
Latest conspiracy theory:
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
Cover up continues…
Sorry but Humpty Dumpty slipped having failed to comply with the relevant health and safety regulations re the use of a safety harness, high visibility jacket and safety boots. It also turned out that he did not have the required trade skills card and his visitor’s visa had expired 6 months previously. Further to that a condition of his UK entry was no paid employment. So basically he was just another scrounging foreigner who should have been grateful that he wasn’t shot by the Police. Luckily he was only sitting on a wall and not travelling on the Underground.
applause
I woz indeed pushed – it woz Gording Snot wot done it!
Humpty who? There was no wall.
The wall started in America.
A 24 hr build up and…………..oh!
Sorry Guido, you may have more meat, but this snippet doesn’t justify the ramping.
bed time, night night.
That was the biggest anti climax since New Years Eve 1999.
New Year’s day 2000 was a much bigger anti-climax – the millennium bug turned out to be the biggest damp squib in 2000 years. Less of bug, more a money spider for those who had ramped it.
What part of “Developing” do folks not understand?
I’m imagining there is more to come here. Collins is clearly in it, as seems to be McMillan.
I imagine that the the real bombshell is in the “detailed picture” of what was discussed in the meetings.
Yes, and with so many people there, the leaking potential is very big. I imagine all those now mentioned on that list will be wondering when they will be contacted by some hack.
Any conspiracy falls down with the number of people involved. It is inconceivable that more information is not to come out with so many diving for the covers.
Perhaps some may even go on the record to get their “detailed picture” out before one of the others do.
nowhere – boredom
Get a life, join debates on other blogs, or start your own blog.
Hope you had a nice picnic Guido, it was a beautiful day in a beautful country.
Kevin Maguire’s Shinning says
“GAR-DER, GAR DER.”
Better check in The Mirror Kevin…
[Smashing the door to bits with an axe]
Heeeeere’s Guido!
Is that it?
Labour-people meet up to design a website shocker.
By Guido’s own admission none of them were privy to it being a website designed to invent silly stories.
I’m sure this’ll give priapistic pleasures abounds the squawking Tory rabble on here, but in reality it’s just another example of “Hello!” political commentary.
You wish, tit.
What an absolutely fascinating insight you have there. A really well laid out critical response. Denverthen, you’re sure to be one to watch.
Limp sarcasm is you at roughly your maximum level of rebuttal, isn’t it, anonymous tit?
That and mindless anti-Toryism (a ‘Tory’being anyone that loathes the worst government in this country’s history in your bright eyes, clearly, anonymous tit).
Anonymous tit.
Probably not at all, “that’s it”.
The transcribe of teh detailed discussions would be well worth the wait of another sunny Sunday spent indoors.
Tomorrow’s press will be interesting, And for once Downing Street won’t know what’s in it.
*titter*
Tee hee!
The adjective is ‘priapic’, ignorant fucking ZaNuLieBor hoon, and your last sentence makes no sense at all!
Would I expect anything else?
ZaNuLieBor? Oh my Lord, you truly have no idea.
It’s so scary that a neutral who’s able to see both sides of the coin is so easily branded by either as being the other.
That’s why political debate is dead and websites like this prosper. It’s the Sunday Sport for the internet generation, well done you
Don’t taunt the trolls please. it just inflames them.
Like a Red Rag to a Bullshitter.
Sorry Bill, but when someone tries to negate an argument because a slightly incorrect adjective may have been used, it simply serves to show that there’s very little substance behind any of their own ideas, and they rely on making it personal. A bit like this whole smearing business really.
People in glass houses etc.
That’s what they all say, anonymous, but none of them can string a coherent sentence together. Using clever words you don’t even understand.
As for me, I don’t even try! Hoon!
Ah, it’s the anonymous tit show!
And here’s your host, Harman-Pride in disguise, Anonymous TIT (cue boos and whistles).
The last sentence still makes no sense, anonymous, even if you substitute the incorrect ‘priapist’. How are you left, hoon?
Guido says they were not aware of the SPECIFIC nature of the “stories” i.e. against who and about what however they DID know in advance of the planning of a smear site.
If plausible deniability was so necessary what sort of content did they think would appear on it?
They clearly knew of the site’s existence and supported it and they clearly knew the sort of stories the site would be running.
Is this the sort of politics that would make you proud to be a Labour supporter?
Denying it because it comes from your political enemy doesn’t make it any less true or damning.
6 high-ranking (and rank they are) ZaNu Creeps meet to discuss the setting up of a smear site to be run by ZaNu but to give the false impression that it is nowt to do with them. Reading does not seem to be one of your skills Anon as Guido clearly says that altho some of them may not have known what smears were to be first up they all knew what they were doing at this meeting. The issue then becomes –who else?. How far does the trail lead–Mandelson and the Bottle Boy himself?.Can you really think that the control freak who labels himself Prime Minister did not know what his own henchmen were up to?. The David Irving defence?.
Guido is letting you twist in the wind. ZaNu Liars Unit has got you and everybody else including the cleaners (if they have cleaners that is )sending in “Is that it?” type messages. Keep sending.
All of this is very far from being over.
Silly eh?
Clearly a product of liebour culture, this anonymuse.
Filth, scum and sewer rats do tend to clusterf*ck
Keep Maguire sweating! That’s the way to do it!
is that it? oh for fucks sake , next time you want to rehash the past seven days with some heresay don’t give it the big build up…..nite all
What were you people expecting?
The KEY thing is to keep the story alive (which is why our noble lord has said it’s finished, shut down, all over) and I presume that this is the start of the next installment.
Of course, an alternative view could be that Guido’s a busted flush and that he’s drunk on publicity and overeached himself.
I much prefer the former and trust that he wouldn’t start this off again without keeping some dry powder
Drip it out slowly. Make the bastards suffer.
Watson, Balls, and even Brown himself are all deeply implicated in smeargate as will eventually become apparent.
I smell lawyers.
Any particular regions?
Scotland, the NE and Wales smell the worst!
lol, could have done without the build up for this…..
Save the killer emails for release during the local/Euro election capmaign at the end of May/June.
Radio 5 running to foerm tonight
They have dragged up again the Carol Thatcher ‘Golloiwog’non story
Beats the shit out of Stasi Governments, corrupt Politicians , Stasi Police now doesn’t it
BBC you are a disgrace
The question is this “Will any of the key players break their omerta ?”
No way would Damien McBride do this – even for a million quid book deal.
He has many other offers that might keep him going which would go down the toilet if he was seen as untrustworthy. And he is still a ‘young man’and who wants to live for 50+ years without any friends ?
Now Derek Draper is another matter ENTIRELY…
If that ‘Fake Sheikh’from the ‘News of the World’can con someone into cutting a deal for their own child, I’m sure with Murdoch’s resources they could find a way for Derek Draper to squeal and rat out all the ‘friends’who haven’t exactly showered praise on him…
Given the way Damian McBride looks 34 years old going on 54 years, with his heavy drinker ruddy complexion bordering on alcoholism looks he’ll be lucky if he lasts another couple of years. The guy does not look at all healthy.
Gordon’s managed to live 50+ years without any friends. I don’t think McBride would want any friends anyway, he much prefers enemies and victims.
It is incredible that this guy is only 34. He looks ready to drop of a coronary. He looks like he is an alkie, with the weight and facial complexion. He should take his new found leisure time and dry out, eat better and take some exercise. perhaps if he takes up cycling and joins London’s eco-mentalist cycling lycra fascists then he might end up under one of Comrade Ken’s bendy buses before Boris gets rid of them.
And..at 34, what kind of work and life experience does the guy really have? What about the mental state or judgment of a Prime Minister who hires someone of this age and – apparent -lifestyle. These spin-thugs remind me of Hitler’s use of Ernst Rohm’s SA during the thirties and as we know eventually they overstep the mark and a ‘night of the long knives is required’. NuLabour is so very similar to Hitler’s Nazi party with it’s disrespect for and cynical abuse of the democratic system, it’s vicious internal feuding, self-preening elite, moral corruption and shameless personal enrichment.
I reccoment to posters that you read Mark Mazower’s “Dark Continent” (Amazon.co.uk), published in 2003. It traces the collapse of democracy and descent into Nazism/Facisim in Europe in the 20s and 30s. It is frightening to draw the same parallels with what is happening in the UK today, such as the suborning of the Police to become an instrument of state repression, ‘political correctness’(how to think), election fraud, placement of party loyalists over competence, confusing roles of ministries and departments to promote infighting and rivalry, control of the media, massive survellience of the population, encouraging denunciations of private citizens by neighbours, – and the list goes on….
The UK is in big, deep trouble. This spin-smear story is important and won’t go away because it is a bout the heart of darkness at the core of government which has revealed for once and for all their contempt of the electorate. That must not go unpunished.
And don’t forget he has been doing it for some years.
It is the overpaid salary and more particularly the unexamined, larded-up booze and food expense account which has caused him to become the fat, slimy, sweaty bastard that he is. That and his hoonish natural inclinations.
Don’t forget that you and I paid for his troughing! If he is no longer paid for by us, it’s probably a shame now because his miserable life will be extended.
McBride is obviously a complete tool. He is also over-weight. But the cause of his bad skin is not necessarily drinking. He has rosacea, which can be exacerbated by drinking but is not caused by it. If he could be bothered to see a dermatologist (and spend some time in the gym) he would probably look quite good.
I dont’think we should just lie down and accept that executive-sewer-rat-McBride, a civil servant paid to work for and by the taxpayer, be allowed to slink away and wait for the storm to pass.
As a taxpayer I want to see the job definition when he was hired and the contract details when he moved from Treasury Vat collector to Snoteater’s slimeball in chief.
I want to know exactly what work he was doing when he was not writing sewerage notes and I want to know whether he can be prosecuted for abuse of office or misuse of public computer equipment etc.
There is plenty of ammo out there so get off the tv sofas – MSM.
do I detect a shift in Murdochs favours? if ever there was a human political weathervane he’s it (a good one too, he’s called the last 6 right with his allegiances and all important tabloid support changing sides accordingly)
the man is a good ally to have guido if thats the case
About time….I was starting to think some tosser had obtained an injunction and Guido was actually obeying it!
There’s not much of an obvious smoking gun, but the devil is in the detail.
- Why did the Labour Party set up an arms-length blog? What does this say about public accountability and transparency?
- Why was there government and trade union involvement in this arms-length blog?
- Who exactly knew what, and when?
I’ve sent in a FOI request and I’m sure I’m not the only one! The Cabinet Office can refuse to release emails sent by McBride in relation to this matter, but they have to acknowledge that information is held and state a reason for refusal….keeping them under wraps is perhaps as damaging as releasing them.
Unless there is something else spectacular under wraps, there may be some disappointment. However, this can’t be avoided and it needed the big explosion at the start to propel this into the atmosphere as has happened. Remember, this story has moved a long way since the “banter between pals” excuse trotted out by Downing Street over a week ago – McBride has gone, Draper is going, Whelan and Maguire are in the firing line, Brown is seriously damaged, Ed Balls is next in line, and there is a clear link between the blog that was to host these smearing emails and senior Labour Party officials. Also, Parliament has been in recess and there will be plenty to chew over when Jackboot Jacqui gets a kicking tomorrow and when Darling’s budget is torn to shreds….I hope the gas is turned down a little to keep this bubbling for maximum effect later.
Good assessment, Jess.
Nice work, Guido – I like the methodology; a dripping tap is much more annoying and hard to fix than a single gush. Besides, every time they think it’s safe to go back into the water…………….;)
is that it? I`m off to watch Father Ted on More4.
The vile Vaz has been wheeled out to defend the police over the G20 protests, they must have run out of ministers who are untainted wiling to run the gauntlet for the man of straw hiding in his N10 bunker.
The anti-Guidoista will for ever more say anything here that doesn’t result in an immediate government resignation is ‘disapointing’and ‘unimportant’.
That is just their spin – ignore them.
GF has them on the run, but the are too experienced to show panic, so will tough it out right down to their fingernails.
Keep it up GF – its the body punches that weaken them leading up to each knock out.
I know where you all live
I suppose you’ll be banging on someone’s back doors in the middle of the night then, being a Rear of the Pealm ?
The problem will be keeping this story going through the budget. Better to drip, drip this week and then come back with something damaging next Sunday.
Is this it?
Some grease-balls at Labour HQ get caught mailing each other about potentially smearing the opposition and you’re all screeching like baboons about the matter bringing the government down?
Don’t you remember the sheer amounts of sleaze that eventually brought the Tories down? One of their number being found dead, asphyxiated by fruit and wearing tights over his head? Another dead drunk in a gutter at the annual conference? Taking bungs in brown paper bags? Shagging prostitutes?
I’m no great fan of these guys, but let’s not forget the other team are c*nts too.
Nice to see that they’re all fighting like ferrets in a sack now:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1171828/You-deceived-Mandelsons-rages-Brown-Balls-secret-spin-cabal.html
McBride? I’m William f*g ShakeSMEAR
Despite 12 years of turd polishing, Labour’s shit still stinks. Now what a surprise.
“that’s all fold” for Zanu,; if they had a fucking clue of the number of years they will never be in power again.
I truly feel that the election after next will be fought by the Blue and the Yellows. The Reds will go the way of the Soviet Block; into the cellar, not to be seen again.
You drunken bum; you may be right, but your biggest problem was spelling….You should have said “That’s All Folks”
And drunkeness, you twat
What? Has my correction been deleted through ‘hacking’? (It was a spelling correction through a joke medium “Thats All Folk’s”; Like DD of LabourFuckWitList .UnOrg suggested had happened to him. If it does or doesn’t appear again I will believe it to be true; just like that Labour Hoon’s parents expenses claim
For it to appear again will just make my standing with Mickey a fucking nightmare; he can be a right Huhne!
Don’t publish this is true’don’t give them ammo….
redrag DD
A few trolls out this dark night. We can’t expect a wrecking ball with every post and come on chaps, Guido has given us great sport over the last few days. So for those of you disappointed, have a full refund.
There will be a lot more Labour MPs, MInisters, officer and SPADs having sleepless, nights and distracted days because of this blog and is that a good thing? Yes. Have Her Majesty’s Opposition done quite so much to give the Government a kick in the slats as Guido? No. With the Eye of Gordor (© Me, now) be turning balefully towards wherever he thinks Guido is and wishing him harm, chewing his nails, throwing phone and generally seeing his Premiership tamkin? Yes. Will we be able to point to this blog and say ot had a hand in ridding us of this shower of tax-teat sucking, economy wrecking, incompetents? Yes.
So if you’re disappointed STFU. Go and do something better. Bet you can’t.
This is a long campaign, be patient. The Sith Institute offensive took time, so for new posters (and Labour trolls) – stay tuned, it ain’t over yet.
We’ve gone from two renegades to at least SIX in the know. Many more to come, one suspects. This is not something NuLab can ever admit to, so it is a case of “stand back and let the digs see the rabbit”.
This slow dripfeed of exposure is certainly ferreting the 4qrs out.
I would suspect that the drip drip drip method is more for the discomfort of Guido’s enemies.The aim is to fuck up the goverment, not to entertain.
there will be phone calls all over the place,hoons trying to get their stories straight when they dont Know what yhe story is.
[...] Guido now has this story on his [...]
Fucking DOGS not digs
sheez I’ve been on the vino all afternoon
This is good but… it isn’t enough is it?
We know it was intended to be a malicious, deniable attack blog – we know that from the fact it was set up anonymously, and from some of the suggested material. We now know the decision to set it up went right to the top of labour, we know the discussions went wider than this little cabal – but we have nothing *illegal* or against any rules….
We know some fucker paid nine quid to buy the domain – but we dont’know who…
Easily.co.uk does. Nominet might. Both, IMHO, are bodies that fulfill a public function – funnily enough Mandy thinks that too ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/29/berr_nominet/ ) I reckon an FOI request to both with regard to this issue should be acted on. They’ve registered a domain to, as far as we know, a civil service employee – I figure that means info related to that is legally covered by the FOI.
Who paid Guido? Did our pal Charlie Whelan? Did he even use a Unite card?
Go to it.
Why haven’t you already?
Because it’s Sunday night?
I strongly suspect the influence of lawyers or similar heavy pressure in this – the stakes are high for the NuLab Hoons involved. Better to play safe and get them in the end than go off half cocked and get screwed. Thanks to Guido the issues are out there, the skids are under Brown and the fuse is burning so let’s not get greedy. It may be good sport to see these tossers squirm but it’s not a game. This is serious shit.
Guido has cleverly managed to ruin the Sunday lunch of many a NuLab tosser, they will have incurred wifely wrath by frequent trips to the computer to see what new revelations may have appeared. Good work.
I think he will have had the same effect on numerous non-Nulab-tossers as well though
I do agree Chronic, though I would say that this government (bunch of wankers) have taken the piss out of us too long to now expect entertainment. Let them hang…..
Been following this. I’m now off to bed. Why don’t you all do the same and let GF get on with what he’s doing. All you tigers will get red meat in due course.
I dream a dream of times gone by…
Lol!
This is working well, isn’t it? They probably don’t know what Guido will reveal next, so are running round in circles, in a panic!
Does it all matter? No. Voters know parties try to dig up and spread muck. The electorate votes for whichever party hasn’t f***ed up the economy. Ergo, McBride s*** is newsunworthy.
Slow down. To most of us silent majority Peons the past week has been a revealation. I cannot remember when I have enjoyed an Easter so much. Educated about this mendacious sinister administration and thinking of two lowlifes squirming. Now we have the the whole of Downing Street running for cover covering their arses and making buttons, and, with the joyous thought that there is more to come.
This last Easter weekend has marked a turning point and when the history of Blogs is written then make no mistake this will be a landmark.
Politics and political journalism has changed because of this. The great and the good are making a comeback and no amount of subversion, spin, and lies can now change this. The landscape and the rules are being rewritten here and now.
Newliars are truly fucked and drowning in a sea of shite of their own making and not before time. This incompetant bunch of closet communists have been shown up for what they really are and they are doomed to extinction if we remain active and alert.
Knacker of the Yard would be proud of Guido and if he had any balls would be arresting the Perps, but Knacker comes from a different age when they were part of us not them.
Can the Queen still dissolve a Parliament? Might be the only way we are gonna get rid of these sinister power crazed Psychos’.
Gordon is not Gormless he is DANGEROUS. We all know, whether we are Lab, Tory, Lib dem that New Labour is finished as a project and as a Party.
Time to move on to brighter future but also to remain vigilant and see this corpse finally buried.
Spot on.
MacMenta-list is both abhorrent and DANGEROUS.
The closet McCommunists you describe have plotted this since their uni days and their game plan is to sink the incoming government in the financial tsunami they have created.
The Conservatives should let liebour win the next election, ensuring the reaper sows – Mcsnot’s nasal detritus will then bury them for eternity.
Socialism was destroyed when the Berlin Wall came down but the message failed to penetrate across Hadrian’s Wall and the Scottish labour movement still thinks its a viable lifestyle.
Watergate took a long time to cripple Nixon,
Mr Fawkes is doing very well thank you.
Oops should of course be “sower reaps” doh
oops should be sower reaps of course…(doh)
You do have to ask the question, what were Liebour intending to use this site for (when there are already plenty of leftie blogs out there) if it wasn’t for general smear and shit stirring.
It is hard to believe that the actual types of stories wasn’t discussed at the times of those meetings.
“Hey lets set up a left wing blogging site”.
“OK so what sort of things do we put on it?”
“I have no idea”
Hmm. Wouldn’t be very well organised then would it?
Whilst this is not the killer blow it’s yet another pointer to the way Liebour has been run not just under McSnot but Bliar as well.
The question is does Guido actually have more evidence or is he fishing hoping that someone out there does who’d like to settle a few scores?
That’s a weird pastime – each one to his own!
Very disappointed at some of the comments here. Investigative journalism is a process, with the pieces to a story coming together over time as sources and evidence emerge and people react to information appearing in the public domain. I think that some here should go back to playing video games if your attention span can’t manage the slower pace of the real world. For the rest, we have a Labour HQ staffer briefed into the attack blog concept, named and on the record. So, the laughable defence that this was just two blokes acting alone is broken and instead we have a covert operation managed by the centre of the Labour party acting in concert with Downing street that implicates the Labour General Secretary and his immediate management team at least. They will face some hard questions as a result.
Quite.
I suspect the majority of the negative replies are trolls who have been waiting for a pounce opportunity. Labourphiles have an unhealthy obsession with GF. I wonder how Draper would assess their psyches.
GF has always delivered.
Patience.
They could well be new visitors to the blog who haven’t got used to Guidos MO yet.
Troll alert, Dolly couldn’t assess shit!
And will they answer? I doubt it very much. Over to to our friends in the MSM to either ignore it, investigate it or trash it. I’d love to be a fly on the wall at the editorial meetings deciding which way to jump….
This administration is now an irrevelence in it’s death throes, excuse me for being glad about this but I really don’t want to be a farmyard animal, prefer being the rat I am.
Lots of free time on your hands now, McBride?
Rumour has it that all the king’s horses and all the king’s men have been told to remain tight lipped about this affair.
Why? Do they know more than we are led to believe? We should demand a full public enquiry now!
I recommend Lord Hutton. He will surely get to the bottom of this.
Underwhelming. Let’s hope ‘developing’is better.
@Steve Horgan
Your comments about investigative journalism are fair, but investigative journalists don’t play this tease game before producing… well, not much really.
If Guido hadn’t said “Smeargate II …” it wouldn’t have mattered. Would have been a nice post. But the buildup was exaggerated, don’t you think?
Unless there’s something major to come and Guido is playing with everybody. Which, I suppose, is possible.
Bollocks! the damage is done. No amount of limitation is gonna make this go away.
If you were replying to me, Canary Wharf Rat, I’m not sure you read my post.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/latest/2009/04/19/vice-madam-to-name-four-top-tories-in-tell-all-book-115875-21288361/#
Uh oh?!
Guido really should study at length the operation of the political blogs at The Daily Telegraph site.
There, the tactics and smears planned by Draper, McBride, Balls & Co have been in full swing for well over a year.
Osborne is regularly accused of going with prostitutes and snorting cocaine, of trashing restaurants when a member of the Bullingdon Club. Cameron is also regularly abused. This has been done by two New Labour trolls named David Dee (DD – Derek Draper?) and ‘Quietzapple’who admits to being a retired trade union official, local councillor and Labour Party activist.
Another of their favourite tactics is to flag loads and loads of posts by regular users for deletion, and the poor old DT Mods, who probably know little about politics, end up deleting them by the bucket load. Blogs can suddenly lose dozens of comments, even weeks after they have been up, just because one of the trolls has flagged them.
Try this page for flavour:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/james_delingpole/blog/2009/04/19/god_exists_ed_balls_revealed_as_lower_than_satan?com_num=20&com_pg=2
The same sort of trolls infest the Al-JaBeeba R5Dead boards, making the same old allegations/insinuations just to keep them fresh in foolish people’s minds. Some of the posters there are definitely Al-JaBeeba employees/mods.
Would you really expect any different behaviour from today’s Daily Labourgraph or Al-JaBeeba?
I wonder if there is anyone out there with the bottle to shaft MaGuire? I really hope so.
A Gordon’s gin bottle, please – they are quite wide!
Why is my comment ‘awaiting moderation’?
“He denied knowing about specifics such as the smears or the name of the site.”
Is not a bullet point in any bodies book that I know of…
Unless London/Westmister circle jerk bullshit has attained such a level of Jedi like self sustaining cock pulling subtlety that if the rest of the country found the politicians boring and went on to get on with their lives for a bit, but relapsed 10 years later and then decided to go back to being interested in the kinda shit you wankers love here, it would turn out to be exactly the same shit but the names were different.
I would vote Tory, but it aint a real choice is it?
‘anybody’s', pig-ignorant Draper troll!
I wonder who was BCC’d on the original emails?
Can we be told? Now they are out, It should be straightforward to ask for the originals from McBride’s account?
ime not sure if i get this one guido , not that i phone mcguire to ask him on a daily basis , we knew macbride and dolly bit , damming enough as mcbride was official attack monkey at the very heart of gordons media operation , and labour have down played them both , as sackable mistakes and are trying to move on .
but ray collins is trying the same trick as tom watson and chalie wheelan , suddenly they were all very distant from what would have been , the grinning malevolent attack on senior tories.
kevin maguire looks as though oppertunism to remain credible and famous got the better of him and being a “good ole boy” of the labour press , he appears to have prostituted himself beyond the normal realms of labour politics and lost cedibility with his normal working class readers .
i agree that labour dont want the blanks to be filled out , gus odonnell is clearly covering up many sorry asses .
the complexities of how it came about might go over heads , i liked your wire diagram of how the sith operated .
investigative journalism is a difficult job and details dont always translate well into words .
the sleaze machine hasnt gone because mcbride and draper have left the building , they were tentacles of the beast , gripping our nation into dumbers submisson .
bunker buster worked , and to put it mildly they cant evade the questions that should be answered .
busy week this week , got to hear a sorry line from alistair and we can only hope that he has correct figures.
madelson is opening up the idea of state owned eutopia as delivering labours best future , and i can see the barbed wire being deployed around buisness and enterprise , everything will be fine for labour card carriers , use a state owned bank whilst your at it, its all desperate stuff , can labour con the business people into more proganda on borrowed money . but this shows all too well labour ideaology , they are not happy with plain old governance , they have to control more or else the illusion shatters. now we see how the whole is to fullfill an ideaology as socialism by creep arrives .
quite liked borises article on education and contrast with the corrupt political selection , meritocracy means so little to the vain and power mad unless that is you are labour minsiter who did have email contact regulary with damien mcbride but try and deny it . hard to say how much education has been politicised , but you would think when education is seen as somthing copyable or downloadable someone must have considered revenues from nets more important than civilised brains for some considerable time
i just hope that people can see where it all ends with labour and leftest ideaology , they create the new so that it can do there bidding and not make life particulary any more civilised, or as we shall see this week a real escape from poverty
Very interesting blog by “Jack of Kent” here. (found via Iain Dale’s blog). It pretty much expresses some of my doubts and uncertainties about this whole affair.
Last Saturday, I first aired my doubts on politicalbetting.com here. The main point being “But it’s got to be ‘real’ dirt [....] what you can’t do is to just dream complete nonsense up, such as this, (and post it on an anonymous, deniable website), and expect it to stick; you’d have to come out and identify yourselves, and substantiate your allegations. Otherwise it’s nothing more than an anonymous website with no past form and therefore no credibility”.
However, I was feeling unsure of myself, and I kept asking myself, “well, CAN you do it? Could I, for example, do the same sort of thing? And would the accusations stick?” – And so I decided to dream up the most ridiculous, obnoxious, vile nonsense I could think of, and post it as a comment on this website (ie, the “Paedophile ring exists at the heart of Nu-Lab” comment, posted last Saturday, well, Sunday morning to be precise).
The reaction? Well, with the sole exception of someone called “Chris Close”, who copied and pasted it several times in the comments section of the next thread, my deliberately nonsensical comment was, of course, roundly derided and ridiculed, and I was told, in no uncertain terms, to just f***-off: “1 out of 10 for effort”, someone said, and I was even accused of being an undercover Labour hack, with the underhand intention of trying to get people to think “well, if you think these emails are bad, just look at what THEY are saying about US”. All of which just goes to prove my basic point: This anonymous smear-campaign simply wouldn’t have worked in the first place. I tried this out for myself on this blog, and I was quickly laughed back into the dustbin. QED.
Now I think Labour party supporters are bad, but they’re not MAD, well at least, not that mad. They know the score, and they know what sort of tactics will work, and what sort will simply fall on its arse. And this sort of tactic just falls right on its arse, as I think I have categorically proved to my own satisfaction. Therefore, I simply have real trouble believing that this was all as it seems. Surely McBride, et al, were not so stupid as to think that this would actually work?
In conclusion, I smell a very clever rat, and I smell a very clever bait in all this. A bait very carefully and painstakingly planned and then laid.
Guido, just beware.
If this Red Rag business was a carefully planned bait and switch job it’s royally backfired on the likes of McBride and Brown – the first is now ‘out of a job’and the credibility and poll standings of the other are in the toilet.
First major error is to believe that Labour party supporters are not mad. Not perhaps in the conventional sense, but in their zeal that what they are doing is the only way and that they are therefore correct and absolved in imposing their views on the rest of us, by whatever means.
Thanks for the plug, but I am unsure what my Blog post has to do with your comment
The whole point is that certain “journalists” can use the smears on red-rag as a “legitimate source” for printing the smears in their papers…
Such as a Mirror headline- “a leading independent political blogsite recently posted a story that MP Joe Blogs has sex with hamsters. Joe Blogs was not available for comment” etc.
Duh!
You hardly need to know “the specifics” once it has been agreed that the smears should suggest sexual perversion, deviance, and disease. McBride and Maguire could be trusted to make up such stories all on their own without need for higher direction or even plagiarism.
extremely weak guido, any of us could have written this, and also you have a fundamental chink in the armour. The reason they would want to retain funding anonymity is cos they hate all the right wing blogs like yours, and believe them to be party funded. clearly not a very constructive picnic, think u will lose a lot of cred over this.
unless you are the BBC and were told to make it go away off course.
any of us could have written this
But we didin’t the Labour party did and those high up in the labour party did and more than just a couple of mates etc. The cred is exposing the lies as they come and GF is doing just fine.
Good work, Guido, keep it going – it’s already putting the skids under NuLiebore’s ratings in the polls, Alice Mahon bailed out etc.
The Penguin
[...] as usual, have the story – and what a tasty one it is. And Guido, as usual, is sustaining his remorseless attack on the people involved – which inevitably suggests that heads will roll. Doubtless he has other [...]
Good shot Guido;
It is known as ‘ranging in’first place a shot across their bow’s…and then when you are ready; Let loose your main arnament…deadly sustained fire.
I can hear the gurgle of water sloshing around Brown’s feet, and notice that some of the rats aboard are deserting already.
Yours Aye,
Ex Bootneck
Makes you wonder just how much Blue State Digital is involved….
Our main concern (at the moment) is whether Streatham is really ready for yet another ‘Great Thinker’; especially at this particular time.
What Streatham ultimately needs right now is an ‘Action Man’who can urgently restore it to it’s Former (Socio-Economic) Glory.
The other Streatham Candidate (Rahoul Bhansali) may (indeed) not necessarily be as flashy as Chuka Umunna ; but at least Rahoul does seem to be quite satisfied with the notion of comprehensively concentrating on Streatham’s Fundamental Needs – rather than simply using Downtrodden Streathamites as a Formidable Launchpad for Higher Political Office (elsewhere).
British politics are getting immensely boring…. Brown/Labour get a kicking in the media for any/everything, Cameron/Tories remain free from serious political interrogation. Politics has and always will involve personal attacks… get over it Guido!