March 28th, 2009

Political Class Starting to Fear the Public’s Anger

Not often that Polly Toynbee, Tim Montgomerie and Guido agree: popular anger with the political class is rising.  Something that Polly wants Labour to adjust to by moving policy to the left as well as limiting public-sector fat-cat pay. Tim Montgomerie agrees on the latter but wants the Tories to wake up to popular anger by putting on hair-shirts and getting their own snoughts out of the trough.  Guido welcomes both pundits to the anti-politics banner.

Democracy is broken, the political media elite distant from the people with the two main parties offering no choice and no change.  Osborne is promising no change and blaming the economic crisis.  Taxation will remain penal, spending will remain prolific, there will be some reforms of a failed state bureaucracy but no rollback and no radicalism.  Hannan is at least making the case for a radical shift of power from the centralised state bureaucracy to people at local level.

The Cameroons can’t seal the deal with the people with pragmatism,  “Triangulation Now!” is not the banner that will get people marching.  Voters are angry with Brown and disenchanted with politicians offering more of the same.  Bedazzled during the Blair years, Cameron, Osborne and Hilton have yet to show that they realise the times have fundamentally changed.  Taking strategic advice from the wrong Danny* has left the Tories outflanked on their USP – the LibDems are now the only party promising to reduce the tax burden on the low paid.  Hannan told Newsnight last night that people are fed up of being, “ripped off, lied to and ignored” by politicians.  Disenchantment with politicians has never been higher, most think they are overpaid and dishonest.  Hannan gets it.  This crisis is an opportunity to radically change the plan.

*Finkelstein.  Nice guy, but wrong.  Danny has been consistently one political zeitgeist behind the times all his life.

157 Comments

  1. 1
    Private Sector says:

    Too many public sector Brown employees that will have to be overcome first with entrenched interests!!

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    • 66
      Max says:

      Is maybe in the bag for ZNL at the top where plenty of culling is likely to take place after 12 years of politicisation but statistically the rest err towards LibDem I think. Or is that hope? Anyway this is from UK Polling Report (go to March 9th 2009):

      “The Times’s coverage highlights the difference in voting intention between public and private sector employees. The Conservatives are doing much better amongst private sector employees than amongst the public sector (45% and 38% respectively). Labour too do slightly worse amongst the public sector (26% to 29%). The parties that do better amongst state employees are the Liberal Democrats and Greens. The Times says that the Conservatives are ahead amongst NHS and local government workers and neck and neck amongst teachers, but I expect the samples sizes for occupations are too small to be really meaningful.”

      Calling an election would sort it out of course…

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      • 132
        David6 says:

        So if public sector workers are heavily LibDems, and many of them lose their jobs under a Tory cull, where will their votes go at the following election (2014′ish)?

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      Fucking delicious says:

      That’s just the ramblings of the Derek Draper of the Foreign Office. A bitter little over promoted NuLabour Ambassador who fell out with his political masters and was duly resigned. He now writes rambling letters telling everyone how he was once the Ambassador to some former irrelevant and obscure Soviet Republic shithole. Best ignored.

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        Anonymous says:

        FD you are scum.

        Murray was dismissed by ZaNu arseholes because he spoke out against brutal torture being done in Uzbeckistan and knowingly given the wink by this govt and esp by Jack Torture MP for Blackburn.

        One of the very few good things about the Socialist shitholes of the world is that often their apperatcheks and other scum supporters fall from favour and end up undergoing the same tortures that they have ordained/approved of/not given a shit about for others.

        May it be so in your case.

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      • 55
        Anonymous says:

        Murray was initially charged with eighteen offences, these inlcude exploiting vuneralbe women by demanding sex in return for visas, and hiring feamle staff to becme his sexaul playthings, and misusues embassy property. Just before he was due to be porsecuted he had a heart attack and was allowed to resign rahter than being put through any more strain (strangly it has not stppoed him working once he was free the charges….odd that :)).

        I have no doubt that the former soviet republic is a horrible place, but I think that all this upholder of the truth is just a cover for a man who abused his position and absued vunerable woman.

        I suppose Anonymous 11.22, or should that be Craig, will not agree and demand that I should be tortured as well….very amusing

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      • 63
        Anon. says:

        You twat.

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      • 95
        Blackburn_Pride says:

        Britain’s ambassador in Tashkent, who mysteriously returned to this country last month on temporary sick leave, due to his outspoken views on US foreign policy in the run-up to the Iraq invasion.
        Inquiries have discovered that Craig Murray, one of Britain’s youngest ambassadors, was subsequently called back from his Uzbekistan post, threatened with the loss of his job, and accused of a miscellaneous string of diplomatic shortcomings.
        The accusations against him included:
        • Supporting the visa application of the daughter of an Uzbek family friend who overstayed in England;
        • Drinking too convivially with Uzbek locals girls;
        • Allowing an embassy Land Rover to be driven down steps.
        Mr Murray’s subsequent episode of depression and mental illness, for which he had medical treatment, was preceded by what one Foreign Office source calls “a campaign of systematic undermining”.

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      • 100
        momcat says:

        You might be “fucking delicious” on a BBQ, but you’re also fucking ignorant and uninformed.

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      • 105
        Dennis says:

        To Anonymous (March 28, 2009 at 1:20 pm):

        “Murray was initially charged… etc.”

        Yeah, yeah. And I’m sure those charges could not possibly have been fabricated by the lovely people in the Foreign Office. .

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      • 108
        momcat says:

        Dennis says:
        “And I’m sure those charges could not possibly have been fabricated by the lovely people in the Foreign Office.”

        Goodness gracious, of COURSE not!!! The FCO do something like that???? We know they are *beyond reproach*.

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    • 70
      Desperate Dan says:

      Craig Murray is an admirer of George Soros so he’s not much of a judge of anything.

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      • 91
        anon126 says:

        and they say reasoned debate is dead anon 1:48 :)

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      • 93
        celia says:

        Are Anonymous 1.20 pm and Desperate Dan by any chance Foreign and Commonwealth Office trolls? If so their ex big boss Straw and his colleagues Hoon and Bliar are in the firing line now. Perhaps they don’t like it up ‘em.

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      • 97
        momcat says:

        Foreign and Commonwealth Office little-busy-trolls will not be in short supply on this issue. Slandering Craig Murray must be VERY important for them, in an attempt to nullify his evidence.

        But it will not succeed.

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      • 106

        Anonymous, and Depserate Dan

        Perhaps I may respond to these peculiar attacks. I have, incidentally, never voted Labour and am not a socialist of any description. I do indeed admire the way George Soros has spent much of his money for altruistic ends, though I don’t much like how he made it.

        I was charged with eighteen allegations as discussed. I did not have a heart attack as you suggest, and the allegations were fully investigated I should say with New Labour bending every rule to have me found guilty.

        16 alleagations were dropped because no evidence at all could be found to support them – unsurprising as they were cooked up in the FCO. Allegations dropped including everything connected to women and to finance. Two allegations were reduced from gross misconduct to misconduct, and I was found not guilty of them on them at a FCO internal hearing. One was that I had once told staff in the visa section I was hungover and needed an hour’s sleep; the other that I misused my office car and driver on a single occasion by staying out at a legitimate function which went on until 2am.

        I regret the latter, which was inconsiderate of me.

        Those were the results of a four month FCO investigation into me which on the Treasury’s full cost calculation basis cost the taxpayer over £100,000.

        I was found guilty on a 19th charge added during the investigation – that of not keeping the investigation secret as I had been instructed. I have no doubt that if I had kept the investigation secret, I would have been sitiched up and found guilty on all charges.

        The reason they were trying to smear me – and anonymous still is trying to smear me – was this -

        http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/03/trying_again_my.html

        When the FCO did eventually sack me, nine moths after the procedure of the eighteen allegations was finished, I was indeed under investigation again, for the leak of one of my telegrams (not in fact by me) to the FT. When I was sacked, the leak investigation was cancelled – interesting, as it was allegedly investigating a criminal act for which sacking is not the only penalty. I don’t believe they ever really believed it was me that leaked it – it was a pretext.

        You are quite entitled to despise my politics or me in general. But do not become a conduit for recycled New Labour lies.

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      • 144
        AnonyMongous says:

        @106

        Thanks for taking the time to tell your side.

        Given the quality of the UK government, which has had 12 years to make the fco what they want it to be, I’m not going to bother listening to their story.

        I hope you’ve found another path in life, better suited to a person of conscience

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      • 145
        Nipper says:

        Good luck Craig – sounds as though you were meted out what we have all suffered under ZNL – a tissue of lies and deceit. Glad you put the lie to it – you appear to have been treated disgracefully.

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  3. 3
    Private Sector says:

    err an Al-Beeba as well!!

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    JiveLad says:

    This is an important post by Guido. Why? Because it hits the nail on the head with regard to the current feeling – and also the weak response from the poltico’s of both parties. A sea change in needed – driven by LEADERSHIP – not pandering to the media.

    For me it all started going wrong with the Dangerous Dogs Act (1991?) – when the politicians responded to a series of new stories with rushed and ill thought through legislation.

    Other countries have a different democratic dynamic – and at the moment there is far too much inertia on ‘centre-ground’ politics that it might take some kind of revolution to change things.

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    Guido,

    I completely agree with you. Although I am a public sector worker who is pretty well paid, I really feel utterly aghast at what Big Government is doing.

    Who can I vote for next time?

    The Jobbing Doctor

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    Gladstone Screwer says:

    It’s an imperative that Cameron listens to Hannan, who after all is a member of his own party. If Hannan’s ideas are taken up for real, then the implosion of democracy as we’ve known it will be complete. ZaNuLiebore has done a lot of work in the area of demolition of peoples freedom. If allowed to go unchecked then as we all know nature hates a vacuum, and the vacuum may well be filled by something very nasty indeed – Russia 1917, Germany 1932..etc, etc…

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    • 8
      Gladstone Screwer says:

      Sorry, got that all wrong, on the sauce last night.

      What I mean’t to say was, Hannan’s ideas will STOP the implosion of democracy.

      Tesco’s Finest Australian Shiraz is NOT Ribena…my head hurts.

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    • 74
      Max says:

      Sorry BTW my point was I agree but Dave’s problem is that he has to hold a fairly huge congregation together to get into power first and unfortunately Dan, good though he is thus far, would cause problems if off the leash now.

      The anti-EU stance (with which I am totally in agreement with, the EU stinks because it is rotten to the core) needs to be handled delicately whilst some in the party effectively “catch up”. Noting also that a significant amount of calculation and bravery will be required to sort out the EU and it must for now wait until after the election.

      ZNL will be cranking up the “tory party EU splits” as we speak, in time for their friends in the press at the first hint of a difference between Dave ‘n’ Dan. The election is not in the bag therefore it is a question of steadying the ranks before storming ZNL and only afterwards to give Dan a platoon, no orders but plenty of ammo and tell him he can do what he likes with whoever he finds.

      Must stop watching war films.

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    Anonymous says:

    Anger!?
    Anger!?
    With idiot bitches like toynbee to ‘illuminate’ the state our county’s in; from the far reaches of Tuscany through the wrong end of her fucking telescope?

    They’re ‘avin a laugh.

    But they are the only cock-sucking shites who are laughing.

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    RavingMad says:

    Polly Toynbee still hasn’t apologised for her very public and unacceptable slur on disabled people in last week’s Guardian.

    Once a Hoon always a HOON

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    sterile says:

    Heads up. Tomorrow Dolly Draper is being interviewed live on LBC 97.3 by Andrew Pierce from 11am onwards. Topics include whether or not Margaret Thatcher should get a state funereal.
    You can listen in internet.

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    • 21
      Plato says:

      And she’s not even dead – revolting.

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        pp says:

        Can we arrange a state funeral for Brown? – preferably in the next few days…

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      • 146
        Nipper says:

        With the news on Jacqboot and Dunlendin’, I think his own constituents might pay for the coffin. Wouldn’t that be nice. Draper is a tasteless arse.

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      Anon. says:

      Dolly deserves necklacing South Africa style.

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    • 77
      Max says:

      He clearly has little to say of depth so do they give him airtime because they are told to or because they like laughing at him? I am starting to feel sorry for the poor dishevelled sod. Not that much obviously.

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    Strikes me Guido that a capable graphic designer could do wonders with the cover of The Plan. I’m thinking of something other than the UK dangling from the arm of that crane.

    Piano wire, politicians, jumpers for goalposts – well, it *is* a Plan, of sorts.

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    Nathaniel de Suckschild says:

    Smoke and mirrors – fuck all is gonna happen.

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      Oldstreet says:

      damn fucking right.

      Rothchilds can fuck off as well. How can that big nosed money horder get to fuck natalie Portman and not me

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    Bob Jones says:

    Hannan is this generation’s Enoch Powell. He is much too clever to be a politician and by speaking the truth, he will be wiped out by the political classes.

    They always look after themselves.

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      anon126 says:

      I agree that Hannon is intelegent, and that the speech was a breath of fresh air. But he differs from Powell as his speech was not by any means cotraversail. It had no trigger words such as race, which can be used to attack it and to ignore/demonise the speaker.

      hopfully this means people will listen to it

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        Dan is a heritic - long live the heritic says:

        The PEOPLE listened to Enoch and marched in his support, it was the politicians and their media stooges that ignored and demonised him,

        NOT THE PEOPLE

        It was not contraversial, He had the general consensus of the country, of what was at that time just a tiny tip of the iceburg.

        There is NO difference,

        Dan is at odds with the mainstreme polititicians and media, it is just as contraversial to them.

        unfortunately you are viewing the subject through brainwashed eyes..

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    Anonymous says:

    “This crisis is an opportunity to radically change the plan.”

    Split infinitive.

    Regards,

    Tom

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    View from the Bunker next door says:

    Tessa puts in her two-pennorth as well – Gordon’s problem, she implies, is thin backing from his own ranks – NOT just his own ranks Tessa

    Meanwhile the man himself El Gordon – “Salvdore del Mundi ” continues his mission in the Argentine “Hey Buenos Aires” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Graham says:

    Flat tax

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    Toynbee is a brain-dead sponger who dare not face the truth that she is the very sort of person she constantly decries in her column/Labour wankfest.

    She also has a face like a demon in one of those medieval paintings of sins.

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    • 83
      Peter Grimes says:

      I think ‘she’ is a bloke – and a fucking ugly one at that!

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      The BBC are vermin says:

      I’d love to see her dancing. Preferably on the end of piano wire.

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    • 101

      Your mysoginistic, demented rantings are demeaning to women and prove you are sttill the “Nasty Party”.

      Labour’s policies have benefited women and minorities. The Tories would roll back our reforms and return Britain to the 1950s.

      We have: Introduced the National Minimum Wage – two thirds of the beneficiaries are women and it has played a part in narrowing the pay gap.

      Established the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) to act as a strong, independent champion to tackle discrimination and promote equality for all.

      Significantly extended legislation to improve protection against disability discrimination in employment, and to improve access for disabled people to goods, services, facilities and premises.

      Widened and strengthened the Race Relations Act to include a positive duty on public bodies to promote good race relations and legislated for aggravated sentences for racially motivated crimes.

      Through the introduction of civil partnerships, Labour has for the first time given legal recognition to same-sex partners. Gay couples now have the same inheritance, pension and next-of-kin rights as married couples.

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      • 111
        niceonecyril says:

        My wife thinks the labour party are a load of Hunts esp the wimmin on the front
        bench!!!

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      • 115
        Anonymous says:

        Well, their policies have certainly benefited a number of women MP’s and Ministers who are clearly not up to the job, inadequate and over-promoted. What this does for the cause of feminism I don’t understand.

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      • 116
        Max says:

        HP please can you take me onto the tory website (section on Policy) and point out to me precisely where they state that they are going to repeal all of these “reforms” so we are back in the 1950′s?

        You seriously still do not “get” that this country is sick and tired of your party political nonsense and lies ie the subject of this thread.

        BTW it was actually quite good in the 1950′s but hey how would you know eh?

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      • 119
        labourwipeout says:

        you forgot to add ” and we bankrupted the country in the process” at the end small point…….. NOT!

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      • 124

        That is not a lot to show for after ten years in power. Oh, one must add screwing up the economy, and the piece de resistance, the Iraq war.

        Tosser.

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      • 147
        HarmanWank says:

        Iraq
        Torture
        Afghanistan
        Islamic bombers in London
        Bankrupt Britain

        Fuck off back to Tuscany

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    Plato says:

    Mr Fawkes, it isn’t often that my blood runs cold but it’s been creeping up on me all morning.

    I feared that perhaps your blog and that of Mr Dale etc were indeed echo chambers full of political geeks that existed only in the blogosphere.

    Dan Hannan blew that wide open this week and the pathetic attempts by the MSM to ignore him/patronise him have been astonishing and scary.

    The reason for this post is that I came across one comment that actually made me stop laughing at the skewering Sir Mike was getting from his readers.

    “We’re supposedly living in a democracy but an unelected leader is blowing all our money and the money of our children and grandchildren. I’m not the marching type, so what’s left for me to do? Click “recommend” as many times as possible and add a few viewings to Hannan’s excellent speech by sending the link to my friends and acquaintances. Bit sad I know – but what are the alternatives in our democracy?”

    I realised that was me too. Clicking ‘recommend’.

    How have we come to this ?

    Our money blown, snoughts and CCTV everywhere and our rights stripped to from us.

    Everyday I read yet another tale of censorship or Stalinist use of RIPA. 8000 bureaucrats can order snooping on me – an innocent goat who lives in the middle of nowhere – they’ve even erected a sign next to my front gate to tell me so – I kid not.

    This has to stop.

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      RavingMad says:

      Plato

      a good post and one that reminds us what we are up against.

      fear is the first reaction but it is vital that we recognize what ‘they’ are doing and challenge it, fight it and remove it. it is our duty as people of the planet. we owe it to ourselves and our children – fuck, they do everything for ther ‘good of the children’ SO CAN WE

      I’m not posting to quick – dick!

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    • 27

      Plato

      There are only 646 of them. There are 60,000,000 of us.

      Never forget it. If we don’t play their game, there is no game.

      General strikes work perfectly. When the worker drones can’t get to work because there is no transport or when no planes can fly over the UK because a few hundred air traffic controllers have lost their pensions, the 646 become utterly powerless.

      Just like in any prison, they rule us with OUR consent. Withdraw your consent. Simple.

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      • 42
        Anonymous says:

        Was that remark about controllers’ pensions a shot in the dark OH? Because if it was it hit the target.

        Watch this space…and don’t plan too many holidays.

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        blind leading the blind says:

        OH what you are forgetting is that you need a cohesve society to generate such a groundswell that could be effective, now you may understand why the goverment has done all it possibly can to fragment us, get us all pulling in different direction, having pet groups, protected groups, goverment reliant groups.

        All part of the plan which you plsyed your part in, along with Guido and the brainwashed masses while others tried to warn you.

        while you viciously demonised them and Guido sencored them!

        you have yourself to blame should the fragmented country not rise up and demand change!

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      • 81
        Tonspiracy Cheorist says:

        Spot on. Mr Holborn!

        We can march all we like but by doing so we merely play into their hands.

        We could stop paying our council tax, or income taxes. Better still, if anyone here gets a parking fine, then GO TO COURT AND FIGHT IT!!!

        Let’s block up our joke of a judicial system. That willl make the bastards sit up and think.

        Time to withdraw our co-operation, methinks!

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    • 62
      Summer says:

      Quite a lot you can do really.

      Find the things you feel really strongly about and campaign to change or support. For example, your might support the British Legion, and pick doing something about the BBC as a campaign – then don’t pay your TV ‘tax’ anymore and send in as many complaints to as many people as possible: and don’t forget the power of word of mouth, talk to others and influence them too.

      Then, on the advice of another poster to this site, ‘frustrate the b***ards’ at every opportunity. Lots of little actions can help here.

      Then, make sure that you ‘celebrate’ your English/British heritage and identity. St George’s day coming up, what will you do for it? Do your children know their history, the real history of Britain, not the apology that state schools teach?

      If you know any socialists, target them for missionary work. Ditto, some of the young you may know who have been ‘groomed’ as drones by the ‘new world order’ – they need rescuing.

      You need to get active, and even just sitting at a computer, there is so much more you can do than just hitting recommend – but do that too.

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      • 148
        Aethelred says:

        I agree.

        Every time the BBC broadcast a biased report, or talk over an opposition MP when they are trying to be heard, or present a biased article on their web-site ; Complain about it. Every time.

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      Nihilism's better than nothing says:

      Plato – how the hell did they get planning permission for a sign like that in a quiet country lane?

      Oh, sorry. I just worked it out.

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    • 80
      Max says:

      Laugh at them at every opportunity; that sign, Plato, does indeed look like it’s in the middle of nowhere, is it a “dogging” area by any chance?

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    • 140
      artistic licence says:

      So get yourself a tin of spray paint and modify it to read “Rats in this area”.

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    • 142
      Reg Buttox says:

      it would be terrible if you accidently reversed into that sign

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    Giltspur says:

    It’s not a question of Cameron listening to Hannan. Hannan was merely displaying the anger and outrage that many feel towards New labour politicians,but targeting the squirming Brown. The fact is, none of the politicians, regardless of their affiliations have grasped how totally pissed off the public are, much less the real power of the internet, which leaves a huge gaping hole to be exploited. The Tories by tradition will almost certainly win the next election by default of the failure of New Labour because in the game of political musical chairs that is what happens.
    But just imagine a politician/person who can harness the power of the Internet in the way Guido has?
    It could be to the greater good but it could also herald the rise of a monster. For sure the winds of change are beginning to blow through these islands – there is no room for complacency because the game is changing and many of the establishment will be confounded. They haven’t quite grasped the idea yet – have they Mr Guido?

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      Yak40 says:

      But just imagine a politician/person who can harness the power of the Internet in the way Guido has?
      It could be to the greater good but it could also herald the rise of a monster.

      Be careful what you wish for, you might get an Obama & the never ending campaign.

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    oldrightie says:

    It’s the Blogs what done it!!!!

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    Unless some politician gets us the fuck out of the EUSSR then there is fuck all that they can do, as so much of our money is shipped to Brussels and so much of the rules and regulations that fuck us over are sent back from Brussels.

    The Penguin

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    • 33

      You’re right and it’s getting worse. Did you see this the other day?
      Britain sees 40 per cent rise in cash lost to Brussels, National Audit Office says

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    • 50
      pp says:

      Hannan is part of the ‘better off out’ movement.

      However, with the tories leaving the EPP and the prospect of setting up a significant EU Sceptic grouping – maybe there is the prospect of some real reform…

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      • 61
        Dave - just go now says: says:

        Bulldust – smoke and mirrors.

        We have a directly elected parliment which no matter how crooked(clearly needs reform) currently answers to the British people.

        What purpose other than sucking up huge sums of money for the political class does a EU goverment serve? simple – to undermine democracy and the tiny bit of power that the little people have, placing it instead even further into the hands of the corrupt and the undemocratic

        The only reform needed seeing as it serves next to no positive pupose is to scrap it and give the people back thier power, stolen by the fat cat dictators in Brussles.

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    • 85
      Max says:

      Utterly agree but see my point up at No.6; pre-election Dan (and others) can be manipulated by ZNL into a “tory split” issue, post-election he is more of an asset. Dave has to manage (literally) the election victory first.

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    Mr Ecks says:

    Cameron will most likely win the next election. Bottler has seen to that. However, Dave had better get the message that he will not get away with being Bliar 2. Because of the state of this land and the rising anger of its people, the Tories will get only a very, VERY short “honeymoon”. Shorter even that the welcome Obamalamadingdong is now busy wearing out in the USA. Unless Cameron gets it right from the start, the next govt will literally be seen as the old one with new faces/masks. The same storm of crap now landing on Labour (at long last, Thank You God!)will continue to land on the Tories unless they move radically in the direction of freedom.It will be freedom or destruction.

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  22. 28

    Just a thought – what would happen if we all spoiled our vote in the next general election?

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    Oldie says:

    With all the union barons gone, the workers joining dole queues, the politicians have slain all the dragons. Nobody left to stand up to them and rise the game with a fight or stand off. And of course power corrupts! Blair started this slide with his damm oily spin. Now we have MPs who say things and nothing happens. Sound bites that get them of the hook, forgotten the next day. Unions ran the 70s and ended fucking it up, management ran the 00s and now have fuck up. The people see no change it looks like Call me Dave has modeled himself as a Blair clone thinking this is what gets you voted in. Labour will lose the next election, but the Tories dont deserve to win it!!!

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    • 136

      Nope, the cause was the same.

      Government that is too big makes it cheaper to bribe (unions in the 70s, credit-pushers in the 00s) the regulator, than serive the people.

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    • 149
      Aethelred says:

      There’s plenty of Unions and unionists marching through London now and this week, for the G20 protests.

      The same unions who are demanding tax-payers’ money to prop up the foreign companies making cars in Britain, are the same unions demanding an end to globalisation and action on climate change.

      Maybe one day the unions will make their fucking minds up which they actually want; jobs or politically correct protests.

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    I agree. Labour are in the firing line because they’re the party of govt but if the Conservatives get in by default with no major change of attitude then people won’t be so patient with them. It isn’t just the economy that concerns people: it’s the monitoring, the immigration, state education, the NHS/mrsa, the box-ticking target culture, an unbridled public sector and all the rest.

    Cameron once said the Conservatives and Labour were heading for the same destination but by a different path. It’s the destination which needs to be changed and any political party must recognise this: who cares whether we go by the scenic route or not? All this so-called ‘progressive, post-democracy’ rubbish must stop.

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    adam says:

    Nonsense. Labour have insulted the country and the people but British Democracy still works great and the people did vote for them. All these Hannan reforms are just things the EU types have been saying for years. They undermine British government and doing that will be only be increasing centralised powers in Brussels, no matter what Daniel wants.

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  27. 36
    Hugh Jardon says:

    At this point I feel that I should point out that I’ve never spurted my curd over Toynbee.
    However…I may have done said act over Mrs Dolly :-)

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  28. 37
    Fenman says:

    Thought it interesting that Union “Fat Cat” Simpson was bemoaning unemployment-if he and his comrades, particularly the mouthie “Scouse” and the RMT “Porkie” did more for less would be a positive step in the right direction.

    Incidently the silence from the unelected parasite McBride is deafening

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  29. 39
    Mike Newland says:

    It’s quite clear that the big parties need a new foreign military adventure to unite the nation and keep people’s minds off the home front.

    Iraq is near over and Afghanistan a distant country of which we know little.

    Could not the Germans play a useful role here?

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      Gladstone Screwer says:

      McDoom is in Argentina…standby for Falklands the Rematch. But the hoon will probably give them away, forgetting about the zillions of gallons of oil under them.

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    • 54

      Actually France has traditionally played this role, besides with the Army so over-stretched and under-resourced it might be a good idea to have the boxheads onside this time around.

      They will keep for later.

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      Max says:

      £5 says it’ll be the Isle of Man he picks on; not Brit, not EU, nice line in (legitimate) tax management schemes. The MOD will have worked out they stand half a chance (except at the weekends after pub closing time). I predict stalemate and talk about “30 years of necessary committment” then they’ll give it back to the Viking Taliban next Autumn. BBC claim “Mission Completed” via huge banner in front of which McBroon is shown playing with his pen and giggling.

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    Glyn H says:

    Well said Guido – and what on earth makes these hoons think they are worth more than £60K per annum, a sum 85% of them could never earn in the real world out here. I read The Plan the week it was published and circulated to friends (especially lefty ones) the DH speech the day it appeared (thank you). One speech does not a prospective PM make but at least he managed to use a public platform to say what the man in the street is thinking – and thanks to this wonderful new medium it got an airing!!

    Parris has a first class piece in The Times this morning on our embarrassing Supreme Leader.

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    no longer anonymous says:

    The narrative at the moment is that “neoliberalism” has failed and that the solution is a return to Keynesianism, statism etc. The Tories should accept part of this narrative – yes, “neoliberalism” has failed, not though because it was too free-market but because it insisted on the existence of a fiat money system complete with central banking which caused the crisis. The genuine free-market economics of the Austrian School should be the Right’s response to the call for government meddling. Shut down the BoE, restore the gold standard and introduce free banking. Alas I can’t see Dave joining the Libertarian Alliance anytime soon. One would hope Mr Hannan, a fan of Ron Paul, would begin to advocate Austrian-style monetary reform.

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    • 137

      Money = Time Exchanged in the economy, not a quantity of a semi*-rare metal. Gold in deflationary scenario will cause more problems. Gold only fixes inflation as it was difficult to expand quickly.

      *New processes allow FAR more gold to be extracted so watch out gold-bugs

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  32. 51
    JS says:

    I still can’t stop laughing after the kid in the Newsnight clip, surely not born at the time, managed to get a line in blaming ‘The Tatcher Administration’! It’s like reciting from an ancient text. If I was to come back in 100 years time, would I still keep hearing it?

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    • 57
      Plato says:

      Cool specs though – not.

      All I could think of was Mike Myers.

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      Hysteria says:

      saw the clip on the intereweb – I thought having the kid on was a bit of a fucking insult to DH actually. Who the fuck is he, and why are his opinions considered to be worth hearing?

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      pp says:

      Wasn’t that classic – even the ankle biters have been taught to attack Thatcher.

      He probably learnt to blame Thatcher at school – I think it is in the syllabus for the national curriculum.

      Or he has been watching old ben elton videos.

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  33. 53
    Budgie says:

    McBust simply does not get enough criticism. In reality he is not personally responsible for everything that’s gone wrong, but he is the culprit for so many catastrophes that he should have been hounded from office months ago. His blunders are so serious and so enormous that he has imperiled our wealth, our nation, our economy, our international standing and our democracy.

    He should be impeached and spend the rest of his life behind bars. I am amazed that the the Labour party, never mind the country, have put up with him so long.

    As for the dozy Tories they have not got it even now. The main route that will get us out of this mess is to strangle the surveillance state and apply the principles of Adam Smith. Will they do that? Don’t hold your breath.

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  34. 60
    anon126 says:

    the Hannon sppech could be a watershed moment. It has broken the media monopoly of what is talked about. They did not show the speech or even mention it. And yet it still spread like a virus. This weaking of the power of traditional media is just the start I feel. The power is shifiting to the people. This is good news.

    secondly, the speech has struck a chord will millions around the world fed up with poliicos ignoring their views, or their rage. This aspect tied up with greater power to the individual is key. It is this aspect I would worry about if I was a politico…..thet have to change or be changed by the electorite. If Cameron does not get this it will cuase trouble for him in the future

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  35. 64
    Bob Jones says:

    What are the bets that the G20 riots are going to be big?

    I think the dirty tricks department have already arranged it – what with buying more supplies over the winter. This is what Brown needs to prove his point and to keep sensible debate out of the papers.

    However, it won’t keep it off the net, and that is what they still don’t understand.

    Back in 97 they tried to shut it down using the ‘every grownup on the net is a peado’ line. They will use these upcoming riots as the reason to monitor and try to shutdown blogs and other social media sites -

    You can only scare the public so much – then they break and MP’s will start getting attacked physically. Bets on which one gets killed first?

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    • 76
      The Other Bloke says:

      It won’t be any of the big names.

      Remember Julius Caesar :

      - “Tear him to pieces; he’s a conspirator.”
      - ” I am Cinna the poet, I am Cinna the poet.”
      - “Tear him for his bad verses, tear him for his bad verses”
      - “I am not Cinna the conspirator.”
      - “It is no matter, his name’s Cinna; pluck but his name out of his heart, and turn him going.”
      - “Tear him, tear him!”

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      gosub says:

      (pedant)There won’t be any riots, as soon as the police read riot act they are financially liable for all subsequent damage(/pedant) Reckon on loads of public order offences though, bet none of these ‘anarchists’ have filled out the relevant SOCPA forms.

      RE social media. UK already ahead, what no free broadcast to SMS on Twatter. Imagine what Spiral tribe could have down with that, back in the day.

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  36. 72
    Dick Smith says:

    Good post on Hannan here too: http://www.annaraccoon.com/?p=1346

    I liked the one legged afghani transvestite.

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    • 153
      SocialEngineer#0441 says:

      “I liked the one legged afghani transvestite.”

      We welcome your outreach to diversity.

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  37. 75
    Budgie says:

    It looks like the anticipated riots at the G20 summit will be instigated by the loony left and the eco-fascists, not by the majority of decent law abiding British people fed up with the dangerous antics of Gordoom.

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  38. 79
    Desperate Dan says:

    The BBC is pretending the marches are about the third world and ecology. So far they haven’t found anyone on the march to confirm this. The marchers are all complaining about the economy and the government but the BBC is still pretending its about the third world and clean air.

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    • 89
      Anonymous says:

      I’m fucking so Angry
      I’m angry that the spotty nose nerds that were teacher’s pets are in control, the ones i use to bully.
      I Angry that my kids have no future from state dumb down education system that the kids from estates are always to do the productive work in sociality, while the elite upper class control the Ponzi/Madoff schemes, and think new ways up of creating debt.
      I’m fucking so Angry that the Bastards are in control of the Media spouting shit about green shoots of recovery crap…..not a recession….not going to be as bad as the rest of the fucking world, it all stared in America…yada yada…yada work hard.
      I’m fucking so Angry that i can’t go down the street that i get a fucking parking ticket, from some Hoon in a uniform that just arrive in Britain from spending years groveling on the ground digging and eating grubs and living in mud huts.
      I’m Angry when I go in to a shop then i am staring in to a camera when i buy a bottle of beer, to make sure I’m not drinking too much, by the nanny state….that I will have to carry an Id card, that fucking Banks watch for money laundering/terrorism when I put in or take out A thousand are two it gets fucking reported to the corrupt staling fucking politicians I’m fucking so Angry I’m fucking so Angry
      I’m fucking Angry that the lying fucking stealing expense claiming Hoons in power control my life from the time I was born feeding me into a system of being a wage slave living from pay packet to pay packet, giving me a fucking birth certificate… having to believe in some fucking ridiculous fairytales about a God….. brainwashed into our young feeble minds by people that should no better….also injections that can cause Autism putting fucking fluoride in my drinking water polluting the air I breathe with chemicals from their not so called environmentally friendly big Cooperation buddies that use the barrister friends with backhanders from their fucking lobbyists’ underlings….poisonings my food with tasteless shite and more chemicals….. Fucking system is corrupt to the core. I’m fucking so Angry
      I’M ANGRY, that all the jobs from the elite were shipped offshore to other poor bastards to work in slums that were rampant in the West a hundred years ago, I’m Angry that pedophiles, thieves, politicians, Banksters, are not hanging from lampposts with Barbed wire.
      Abusive Police….. the state controlled Army that can kill within the law but I can’t because the law says so, that Barristers can get the guilty off, if paid well in the courts of corruption….scumbags
      I’m so fucking Angry about all the governments mini Hitler’s in their little pen pushing jobs that are penalizing me for being alive with taxes that I never had a vote for.
      I’m Angry so fucking angry the masters of the universe of failed corporations’ get bailed out with our taxpayers monies that will ruin this and other countries, and then these Bastards with the governments encouragement have the fucking cheek to charge us interest on their gifed monies and Bonuses.

      Fuck this bring on Anarchy, we be better rule by some fucking Warlord from the middle ages that this shower of shite.

      I’m Angry Amen.

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      • 143
        Reg Buttox says:

        you’re Mr Angry – do something about it.
        The stuff about vaccines causing autism & fluoridation of water is bollocks by the way.

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      • 154
        Aethelred says:

        You would find that Warlords treat you worse. Really.
        If you really want to get back at them, the thing that would really hurt them, would be for you to stop being angry, to start being positive, to make a plan to improve your life and to stick to that plan, and to make yourself free.
        They really hate the free.

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  39. 86
    Anonymous says:

    Very off topic.

    In these straightened times one of the conjoined twins of debt and equity has died. Savings rates and even gilts are looking like unsafe bets.

    However, equity as an alternative still remains risky in a volatile market.

    A simple recipe: equity options. Selling them, not buying them. The time-trusted covered-call.

    Please get rich with the following boys own guide using a live example in play:

    Arena Pharma. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=ARNA#chart1:symbol=arna;range=1y.

    It’s a drug company that is in Phase 3 trials for its obesity pill. Highly volatile as it’s due to release the results of the trials in the next couple of weeks. (it could be any company with high volatility and the right characteristics).

    Here’s what I did:

    Buy the shares at $4.00 and sell the April 2009 $2.50 call option.

    This means you’ve committed to sell the $4 share for only $2.50 (the STRIKE) on the Friday after the third Wednesday in April (April 22nd). (EXPIRATION)

    In return you get $2.05 for making that commitment in cash. That $2.05 is called the PREMIUM.

    So the cost of your shares are $4 minus $2.05 or $1.95. (the NET DEBIT)

    However, if the share price is $2.50 or higher on April 22, you get ‘Assigned’ and and must sell the shares at $2.50. If the Stock rockets to $12 (as many folks are dreaming and hoping), you lose all that upside. But you sold them that Dream in exchange for the premium.

    So, if the stock stays at $2.50 or higher, return is (STRIKE – NET DEBIT) / NET DEBIT = 0.55c/$1.95 = 28.2% in just 4 weeks.

    Not bad when interest rates are 0.5%.

    The stock would have to go to $1.94 before you begin to go negative. What are the odds of that? A magic formula (Black-Scholes) can compute the likelihood of any price point at EXPIRATION based on the stocks VOLATILITY.

    What does this mean? Well, according to the Black Scholes model there is:

    .1% that ARNA < $1.11
    2.2% that ARNA < $2.14
    13.6% that $2.14 < ARNA < $3.17
    68.2% that $3.17 < ARNA < $5.23
    13.6% that $5.23 < ARNA < $6.26
    2.2% that $6.26 < ARNA
    .1% that $7.29 < ARNA

    These numbers should be interpreted as what the “market” expects the price swing to be.

    So, looking at it another way, there is a 97.8% chance that I will make money. There is 70% chance I will make 28% in 4 weeks.

    There’s a 2% chance I will lose money.

    The stock price has moved since my trade on Tuesday, but the percentages still apply as the PREMIUM has also moved.

    Regards,

    Tom

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    • 109
      Peter Grimes says:

      Did the banks use that there Black-Scholes model in their assessment of the likely attrition rate of supposed AAA MBS?

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    • 130
      Sailor says:

      Tom
      I would love to be able to understand what you are talking about but it’s way above my head.
      Regards

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      • 139
        Anonymous says:

        It’s a very conservative way of investing in the stock market whereby you make money when the stock goes up, stays the same or even down. In this case almost 30% in 4 weeks if the stock is at $2.50 or higher by April 22nd.

        It’s a hedging strategy known as a Covered Call.

        Regards,

        Tom

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    • 156
      Anonymous says:

      Ka-ching

      Regards,

      Tom

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  40. 88
    Shag O'Vera says:

    I really must get some new reading glasses as believed that Harman had put the boot in on Brown, and not Hannan. I thought the worms were turning.

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  41. 94

    Michael White’s piece on Hannan is brilliant. Check it out:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/mar/26/conservatives-europe

    As Derek Draper said, “A demented speech from a demented party”.

    Hannan is a typical oxford union Toryboy – so removed from the real concerns of ordinary people.

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    • 102
      The BBC are vermin says:

      Why don’t you read all the comments linked to Michael Shite’s tosh.
      They’re the brilliant bit you twat.

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    • 104
      Rebecca says:

      The pure theatre of having the pm have to sit in relative silence without the pack of hoons he normally has in parliament barking in support is why this Tory twit MEP struck gold. Our PM is the Emperor with no clothes and the Lab pack animals are begining to see him for what he is exposed and incompetent. Brown is suppsed to lead the Nation and look where we are!!!!

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    • 110
      Max says:

      HP, please take me to a transcript of the Brussels speech and or to the comments he made on Newsnight and point out to me exactly where Hannan has strayed away from the concerns of “ordinary people” and instead is focused on “Oxford Union tory boy” issues.

      You guys have hijacked the “ordinary people” for 12 years and sold them down the river for hard cash, power and self-aggrandisement. You need to start hoping that the first ordinary person you now meet is one on his way to a polling booth and not one on his way to stringing your kind up (which I would not condone).

      Fear the public’s anger; as it says on the tin.

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  42. 127
    JD says:

    On Harman(oxymoron)Pride’s advice I went and read the article he recommended(!). It was pathetic, but the comments were great. And they said a great deal more. A few more articles like that from White and i think he really will be looking for a new job.
    JD.

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  43. 128
    Water Stone says:

    The Plan is a fantastic book – read it!

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  44. 131
    Anonymous says:

    Let’s not forget the viciousness of the elites when they’re under attack and how readily they are to turn on voters exercising their democratic rights.

    Most recently we saw this with the undemocratic and anti-democratic responses to the Irish no vote for the Lisbon Treaty. The political class Cameroonians in the Conservatives are happy to pay lip service to the idea of a referendum, while in actuality only using it as a tool to stir up Eurosceptic elements in their party for their own domestic ends, while UKIP has shown over five years that they’re only interested in looking after their own place on the gravy train.

    The European elections this June are the perfect opportunity to express your disgust with the self-serving political class, while also voting for a positive vision for reform in the European Union. Libertas and especially their party leader Robin Matthews offer the perfect antidote to the Westminster village mentality of domestic politics. http://www.libertas.eu

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  45. 150
    Anonymous says:

    “Finkelstein. Nice guy”

    You are mad.

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  46. 151
    JS says:

    For anyone who hasn’t found it this is great. When can we get something like Fox news.

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  47. 152
    Lush Laroo says:

    My anger is so great that I will only vote for a political party that makes wearing a military uniform compulsory to be a member
    Cameron Brown and Clegg are all tarred with the same brush of incompetence and morally outrageous financial fiddling however legal which is legal only for they voted for their snouts to trough at the public purse

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  48. 155
    Anonymous says:

    “the LibDems are now the only party promising to reduce the tax burden on the low paid. ”

    Incorrect – UKIP’s tax policy includes raising the tax-exempt threshold to £10,000, taking the lowest paid out of income tax altogether.

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