March 25th, 2009

Poll : 2% Think MPs Honest About Expenses

A PoliticsHome poll finds that:

  • 2% of respondents believe “virtually all MPs are honest about claiming expenses”.
  • 86% of respondents think MP’s expense arrangements are “too generous”.

As many as 2%?  Surely that is within the margin of error?


191 Comments

  1. 1
    Famous Five says:

    They are not expenses they are allowances.
    But don’t let the truth stand in your way!
    Cameron the multi millionaire has been maxing out on them.
    Second jobs
    Second jobs
    Second jobs
    Second jobs
    Second jobs
    Second jobs
    Second jobs
    Second jobs
    Second jobs

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    • 10
      Tom FD says:

      How nice it must be for you that Draper pays you to do what the rest of us do for free.

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      • 15
        Famous Five says:

        How nice it must be for Tory MP’s to be paid for a second job when they should be doing the job their paid for.

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      • 45
        Cyco Billy says:

        “How nice it must be for Tory MP’s to be paid for a second job when they should be doing the job their paid for.”

        MPs as jobsworths? Nu labour troughing out and stopping only to moralize as they draw breath before plunging anew for the public teat. No wonder honest labour must be deprecated at every opportunity.

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    • 16
      Anonymous says:

      Excellent observation, Alex!

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      • 33

        “How nice it must be for Tory MP’s to be paid for a second job when they should be doing the job their paid for.”

        That’s “They’re paid for”, you illiterate turd.

        And they’re holding down those jobs, because they’re EMPLOYABLE… Unlike labourshit.

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      Hamish Macbeth says:

      Lets see how many of ZaNuLabour will have second jobs when they are in opposition.

      After the next election I do believe…
      That is – unless they haven’t salted enough away by screwing the expenses over the past 10 years or so..

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      • 125
        A Pedant says:

        “Lets see how many of ZaNuLabour will have second jobs when they are in opposition.”

        You’re joking aren’t you? Who’d employ any of that lot? Not me.

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    • 29
      Gordon the McMentalist says:

      How nice it would if you just fucked off you Labour Hunt.

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    • 39
      jammy dogger says:

      You certainly don’t need a second job if your first one is as cushy as Paul Boateng’s. And you don’t need a house either if your job comes with a mansion.

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    • 41
      thick as thieves says:

      ah, so your point is that it is okay for new labour war and occupation MPs to steal because they don’t have second incomes?
      by hook or by crook eh, you criminally minded spastic!

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        sick as sieves says:

        No, the point is that MP’s should do the work they’re paid for and not work or draw income from other sources.

        Imagine you employ someone and pay their salary and allowances and then they go and work for someone else and draw a salary and allowances from that person or company. You’d tell them to stop or face the sack.

        That’s the point and believe it or not ordinary tax payers and voters find it to be wrong for an MP to have a second job. Cameron and Hague and Osborne and Clarke and Duncan, will keep their heads down on this, ok?

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      • 191
        thick as thieves says:

        er, you just disappeared up your own backside!
        and not a word to challenge the accusation that the new labour war and occupation party is guilty of war crimes.
        very interesting.
        string blair up.

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    • 47

      Labour = Hoons. End of.

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      • 60

        Anything sensible to say? If not, just run along to your blog (even worse than Guido’s by the way) and leave the grown-ups to discuss the issues that matter to hard-working British families.

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    • 49
      ron vibentrop says:

      Draper can’t do one job properly never mind a second one. Frankly nobody would want a toxic snout in trough shit on their board, so piggies, make hay while the sun shines because it won’t last.

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      • 119
        Toby says:

        Hey Hareperson It’s great the way you trot out that wonderful Labour line; ‘hard working British families’ as if somehow this government actually gives a shit about them. Because that should be me. Someone who works in the private sector, is taxed to hell, spied on, can’t get his kids into a decent school and doesn’t have the luxury of a ring fenced public sector pension and benefits.
        Just fuck off Harman Pride you little prick.

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      • 127
        Hugh Jardon says:

        I shagged Draper’s missus, when I was 17.
        I may be able to prove it too…. :-)

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      • 146

        Well, I didn’t, Mr Jardon, thus making me a member of a far more exclusive club.

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      • 174
        Rudy says:

        You did Mr Tony. The DVD is widely available.

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    • 117
      Anonymous says:

      One perk for MP’s which is never mentioned is free carparking at airports. This is for all MP’s and there is no upper limit to how much they can make use of it.

      I have heard tell it may extend to their families!

      Aiprort parking is not cheap, often more than the cost of the airticket.

      Perhaps Famous Five could inform the taxpayers why this perk/expense/ allowance should not come up for the spotlight?

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    • 157
      Anonymous says:

      THIS IS NOW BEING REPORTED TONIGHT

      Brown’s stinging attack on ‘avarice’ of bankers as he puts big-spending Budget on hold

      Errrr…HE HAS NO MONEY LEFT AS MERV TOLD HER MAJ THE OTHER DAY

      FUCK OFF F5!!

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      • 171
        Hamish Macbeth says:

        “”Brown’s stinging attack on ‘avarice’ of bankers as he puts big-spending Budget on hold “”

        He’s a cheeky fucker….

        Claiming for light bulbs and Sky Movies….whist Jacqui and Tony McNumpty are hammering the ACA…

        Get your own house in order Brown

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    • 178
      Rob says:

      Ask yourself one question knobhead “how many Labour ministers have actually ever worked for a living holding down one job out of politics”? and are you actually saying that being paid for a fair day’s work and holding down another job/jobs as opposed to thieving off the tax payer is wrong?
      We really must outvote total imbeciles like you in the next election or god help us all

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    • 179
      Anonymous says:

      are you honestly trying to claim nulabbers don’t have second jobs?! do your homework before posting such nonsense.

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  2. 2
    Ambrose Silk Esq says:

    Ahhh didums!

    Tra laa!

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  3. 3
    Ambrose Silk Esq says:

    Strange

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  4. 4
    Princess Polytwaddle, speaking down to people from her Ivory Tower, . says:


    I am always right!

    I am never wrong!

    And come now!

    Every Grauniad-reading Old-Noo (née Noo-Old) GrinningBoringLiar shill is worth every penny he – or she – can fiddle and diddle. After all, us champagne so-sher-lists are worf pandering, innit.

    Kno wot oi mean?

    And Gordon, – oh – his voice – his wisdom – his fores . . . but enough . . I must be strong . . and write my twaddle for this deadline, – for what was it? – Oh the Speccy – yes they want me too!

    One is SOOOO much in demand!!

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    • 57
      The big D says:

      Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.
      Winston Churchill

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  5. 5
    Alex says:

    Guido – didn’t it occur to you that 2% of respondents were MPs?

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  6. 6
    Doug says:

    what is also interesting about that poll is that in most cases the answers from conservatives are near identical to people who declare no political affiliation.

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  7. 7

    This nihilistic rubbish is turning our young people off politics. Why do you always concentrate on scandals and our MPs’ peccadillos, and never bother to report all the good work they’re doing? Like the Clause 58 bill which passed on Monday, outlawing homophobic hate speech?

    The youth of today are interested in the ISSUES like the environment, poverty, women’s rights, LGBT rights, etc… NOT scurrilous, tawdry rumours and gossip.

    People like Guido and his right-wing followers with their testosterone-fuelled nihilistic Punch-and-Judy politics are responsible for voter apathy in our country.

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      Says On The Tin... says:

      Parliamentary plots, rumours and conspiracy. Discussion on parliamentary plots, rumours and conspiracy.

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        Anonymous says:

        harman pride – managed to get your snout out of the trough for five minutes did you? It’s people like you who are responsible for voter apathy because you don’t have the faintest clue about what makes people despair of politics. The greed, the sordid side deals, the lies, the legal corruption is what people bloody care about when many of the lowest earners are finding it hard to scrape a living together.

        As for your pathetic trumpeting of “outlawing homophobic hate speech” what you really mean is “making thought crime” acceptable.

        You know bloody well it goes further than “hate speech”. People who suggest adopted kids might fare better in a male and female household (proven by every survey conducted) have had visits from the police farce accusing them of hate crimes. this will probably see them bloody arrested.

        I’m a woman. I hear and read unpleasant misogynistic comments far more than I hear homophobic remarks. Am i so pathetic and childish that I want to see those responsible locked up? No. Being so thoroughly intolerant makes people dislike you.

        You just want thought crime for your pet causes to be acceptable. You have far more in common with the Saudis than you probably realise.

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    • 13
      Lola says:

      Good Grief! More delusional old cobblers. But never fear New Labour appartchiks will take advantage of the Cl 58 bill to kill off even more free speech.

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    • 14
      Tom FD says:

      If these issues matter so much then what are you wasting your time on here for? Your country needs you! (Whichever country that may be.)

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    • 24
      Bendy Busser says:

      Did someone mention benders?

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    • 28
      One-eyed snotgobbler says:

      Do you seriously believe that shit? If so, the only explanation must be that you are Harriet Fucking Harperson herself!

      If not, the joke’s over. It wasn’t funny the first time and it still isn’t.

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    • 30
      Anonymous says:

      What good work are they doing?????

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    • 31
      Old Labour says:

      Support free speech. Have confidence in the people to understand the rights and wrongs of living in a free society, warts and all.

      When people speak we know and hear who they are, then we can respond in a way, or not , that is suitable, open debate. Please put your trust in the people…

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      • 59

        Free speech doesn’t mean freedom to shout “fire” in a crowded theatre. We believe in free speech, but there are limits.

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      • 79
        Old Labour says:

        …sadly it does. This old cliche is brought out time and time again, but never have I read of any case where deaths have occurred because some fool has shouted fire!

        People are not stupid, attitudes are changed because of enlightenment and education, not laws.

        There should be no limited to free speech, you have to see the person for what he is. A person does not go out and shoot a policeman because he listens to a rap record.

        When you place laws you are putting in place trust that the next generation of governments are not going to abuse that law, more likely than deaths of policeman through rap songs.

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      • 80
        King Gordon the Brown Easing says:

        Political Correctness means no freedom to shout “fire” in a crowded theater on fire.

        Labour are heading to oblivion. We will find you a husband luv.

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      • 156
        genghiz the kahn says:

        Is Jackieboots Smith moonlighting as Herman Pride?

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    • 37
      An Animal says:

      What is turning youngsters off politics is:

      ….being called animals.
      … watching fat oldies rattle on about house prices when we cant afford our own.
      … have to pay for our uni fees when you old fuckers got it for free!
      … having to work till we are 68..! before we get a pension, when you lot get it at 60!
      … being told our A levels are not real like yours were..!!
      … the first to lose our jobs, if we have one.
      … being told there is a housing shortage when we have lived through the biggest housing boom ever.
      … reaching peak oil, because you lot have wasted it.
      … global warming because you lot failed to stop it.

      Dont patronize us…!!!

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    • 42
      Thatsnews says:

      That’d be another Draperoid.

      How kind of you to tell the ‘yoof’ what they think. Saves you the time of bothering to listen to them, doesn’t it?

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    • 50
      Voter says:

      Apathy? Like our politician’s apathy that parts of our country are slowly turning into Islamabad?

      Well, thanks to your sleazy, deceitful, greedy, incompetent party I am about as far from apathy as you can get when it comes to voting.

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    • 51
      The big D says:

      It is the do as I say not the do as I do attitude in parliament that turns people off politics. When people on limited funds see the extent of legalized fraud that passes for “expenses” there is no surprise that “Why should I bother” and “it won’t make any difference” are commonly expressed opinions. Some members of parliament may start with good intentions, but the whip system of patronage will soon have the lobby fodder voting as required.

      I used to say that all politicians lied, some more willingly than others. In Churchill’s day the lies were called “terminological inexactitudes” . Later the Tory party admitted dissembling. Since the WMD dossier and Lisbon referendum promises the lies have become blatant. Labour do not care for the truth or will re-write the record ( Mr Balls and Hansard and so what) to reduce public outrage. The result is public indifference. Until patronage is taken away from political parties, nothing will change. The public might migrate from indifference to anger but without a replacement system available this will achieve little.

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      • 62

        If you care so much, why don’t you run for Parliament?

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      • 83
        King Gordon the Brown Easing says:

        Why dont you go and make yourself look pretty

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      • 123
        vlad the pimp says:

        Harman you fucking dissembling liar,

        Half the politicians in Europe have admitted that absent one or two irrelevant lines the remaining several hundred pages are exactly the same Constitution with the word ‘Constitution’ tippexed out and the word ‘Treaty’ substituted. It’s about as honest as renaming it the ‘Porto Constitution’ and then denying a referendum because you only promised one on the ‘Lisbon Constitution.’

        And the referendum you promised on PR? And, according to the manifesto Tony Blair is still PM is he?

        You fucking liars. And economic fucking incompetents to boot.

        It is indeed without precedent that we have elected a complete bunch of fucking imbeciles into government. And the sheer bad luck of doing so as the same time the yanks elected George ‘I really am an idiot so I’ve got a plausible excuse’ Bush is just depressing.

        But we did not have to emulate George Bush’s wars or his interest rate policy. We did not have to hire one million bed-wetters, box-tickers and paid liars to massage the dole figures. We didn’t have to pay for them by just printing 30bn quid a year in lieu of living within our means. Brown didn’t have to inflate the biggest housing bubble in Uk history to encourage insane levels of consumer debt. He didn’t have to ignore the IMF warnings since about 2002.

        Unprecedented? Unprecedented evil liars – I’ll give you that.

        You are a Tory troll. There is no way you can believe that telling lies like that will do anything more than remind folk what a malevolent bunch of sociopaths and misanthropes this Labour government is.

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    • 103

      I hate poofs

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    • 104
      vlad the pimp says:

      It is precisely because our jackass Labour MPs are off wasting their time with whatever the fuck this clause 58 shit is that the country is in the shitter. Just like they spent months debating about letting country folk race around on horses encouraging their dogs to eat the fucking foxes. A ban that is apparently now rendered practically useless by its poor wording – which, after several months of debate is some achievement. Meanwhile their eye was totally off the ball about an entire fucking war in Iraq. Quick Word document lashed up off the internet, deliberately faux emphasis on 45 minutes to deploy (non-existent) WMD and viola, one war served up on a plate.

      But no doubt for you and your brain-fucked ilk the key victory was stopping a few toffs feeding their dogs. Briefly. Until they’d found the loophole.

      Totally pointless war alienating the 2 million Muslims we somehow fucking invited into our back yard? Pah. What of it? Think of the ikkle foxes. Same with this fucking homophobic ‘hate’ speech ban. Yah-fucking-hoo.

      Economy completely down the shitter thanks to 12 years of Labour idiocy but y’all carry on rearranging the fucking deckchairs. Nothing to see here. If the economy was really so fucked d’ya think we’d waste time with shit like this?

      The young are concerned about these issues? Oh yeah? Not as fucking concerned as they’re going to be when they can’t get a job or they get made redundant because some fucking lunatic destroyed the economy.

      The LBGT community are ‘engaged’ by this exciting development? Good for them. Perhaps it’ll assuage their anger when they’re reduced to fucking planting their own vegetables in the Royal Parks and holding ‘will work for food’ signs. Perhaps it will make their heart soar the next time some home grown terrorist sets sail for the tube with a rucksack full of chemicals.

      Fucking jackass.

      It’s the economy stupid.

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      • 108

        Ah – so you don’t think the rights of 7% of the population (the LGBT community) matters?

        You don’t think our 2 million British Muslims have a right to be here?

        Fortunately for Britain, your views are an ever-decreasing minority. As our Muslim population increases and disperses, you will have to get used to them whether you like it or not.

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      • 120
        vlad the pimp says:

        Jackass. It’s a question of priorities. They have the same rights as the rest of us already.

        Meanwhile our economy is fucked and the bloke who fucked it is in complete denial and making it worse.

        The UK isn’t Labour or Gordon Brown’s personal fucking playground. They can’t do what the fuck they like with a show of hands. Okay, they can but it’s generally considered good form to stick the main stuff in a manifesto so folk get to know what they’re in for. I must have missed the referendum on PR, the referendum on the Lisbon treaty, Tony Blair serving a full term, the end to boom and bust, the end to house price bubbles…

        It’s the lies that make this such an evil government. And the contempt with which their thieving politicians engineer the most laughable living arrangements to ‘qualify’ for the most ludicrous expenses. It’s an ‘allowance’ not a fucking ‘target’.

        Thieves, liars, perverts, thugs and war-mongering, financial incompetents. But the ikkle foxes are safe. And the Muslims and LBGC are living side-by-side in some fantasy dream-world in your fucked up head.

        Jackasses.

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      • 121

        Vlad you ignoramus:

        It’s an UNPRECEDENTED global crisis. That means it’s WITHOUT PRECEDENT. How was the PM meant to know it was coming?

        The PM isn’t in denial, he’s spending billions to kick-start our economy. He won the respect of the world’s economists by his calm handling of the banking crisis in October.

        We promised a referendum on the EU Constitution. The Lisbon Treaty isn’t a constitution. Get it?

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      • 152
        Katabasis says:

        Christ HP if you actually believe what you type you are one insufferable wretch.

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        no longer anonymous says:

        Methinks people are taking HP too seriously, “she” is a parody of the trendy left.

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    • 114
      Anonymous says:

      Actually all the best homosexual jokes I’ve heard have been told to me by homosexuals.

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      • 129
        A Pedant says:

        “Ah – so you don’t think the rights of 7% of the population (the LGBT community) matters?

        You don’t think our 2 million British Muslims have a right to be here?”

        It ain’t what I think that matters, truth is, most of those 2 million muslims don’t think that the rights of the LGBT community matter… out of interest, whose rights are you going to back – those being stoned, or those doing the stoning?

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    • 128
      Hugh Jardon says:

      If I want to call someone a brown nosed sausage jockey, then I should be able to do so!
      Anyway, I bet you’re a fat smelly lezza..who takes it up the trademans!!!

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    • 147

      Harman Pride is Stanislav, or I’m a Dutchman. Far too silly to be real.

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    • 159
      Dr Thompson says:

      Oh no, you privileged, corrupt, insular bastard/bitch. I am a white, working class (skilled) man and I have suffered every kind of prejudice, especially as a single parent, from you fascists. I have a history of trade union activism, and am on black lists because of it, but that was to make life fairer for ordinary people and as such I recognise the shite you represent: the overbearing rule of the useless middle (crawling) classes, all our jobs, skilled manufacturing, you’ve moved to China (lovely regime in China, lots of human rights – I’m on Team Tibet, not much hope of any support from you shites is there….) you have ruined this county and cheapened everything it used to stand for I hate you for it – I bet you would have sucked up to Hitler

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    • 161
      Anonymous says:

      “The youth of today are interested in the ISSUES like the environment, poverty, women’s rights, LGBT rights, etc… NOT scurrilous, tawdry rumours and gossip”

      Im sure they are at least until they start working for a living and then become aware of being taxed to fuck by thieving Hunts who talk a good game but piss all their earnings on useless shitty projects that dont work. Then they tell them to fuck off !!

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    caesars wife says:

    2% thats double the ammount i thought .

    what i really hate is the way that they justify it , i dont have a problem with travell or for stationary or for a secretary , an mp is in the job to corresponde and meet people , what really gets me is knowing you can use expenses to buy a house ,under the guise of second home , its wrong .

    they should get there mortage through the BOE at variable rate and deducted from their there salary , then if they screw up the economy , they will suffer with the rest of us , its the unreality that allows them to have wonk dreams in wonk land.

    all ready for tommorow , hoping comment moderation is off whilst drapers on set.

    brillios BBC news link spoof today was really funny , but not quite as funny as william hagues “the neice of lady attle brook may ell be concerned about inheritance “

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    Anonymous says:

    2% ????…that HIGH….I want a poll on the people that are being polled !!

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  10. 12

    The problem is that when these allowances are abused and politicians are caught abusing them and they refuse to resign when they are caught abusing them … the whole establishment becomes tainted. Doubtless there are many many good MPs but that they allow these abuses to become endemic and unchallenged diminishes their own standing.

    Resignation used to be the way of upholding the highest standards. This no longer happens. This is why MPs and Ministers are so distrusted and disrespected and is why I that …

    … Parliamentary allowances/expenses = hush money.

    Any MPs reading this who don’t believe me ?

    “They’re all as bad as each other.” is what you’ll get on any bus, in any street in any pub. And they’re not wrong, you know.

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    Anonymous says:

    It has been pointed out that converting allowances to extra pay will cost the taxpayer a fortune as their already generous pensions will rocket upwards. Keep allowances but audited under strict and independently monitored rules with a clear threat of fraud proceedings/expulsion if abused – as for any of us in the wealth-creating sector.

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    • 35
      Lola says:

      Yep. Only do this if the exepnses are converted to pay AND close final salary scheme and bung them in a money purchase scheme like private business.

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  12. 21
    Anonymous says:

    There will be trouble ahead if the crooked politicians put up their salaries in this environment, while so many people are losing jobs. Think that really could be the last straw.

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  13. 22
    Anonymous says:

    Dawn Butler’s expense claims for two central London homes is covered by the BBC at

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7962504.stm

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  14. 25
    JMT says:

    Any other public employee is paid “actuals”.

    £4 for a Mickey D on detached duty – the civil servant can claim £4.

    If he was not entitled to an away from home meal – he gets nothing.

    They have to keep receipts for years. Good enough for them at government insistance, good enough for government.

    Anyway, is Portcullis not a series of little flats anyway? when it ws newly opened the fire alarm went off at all hours every night and the poor sleepy-eyed MPs had to bail out for a roll call in their peejays.

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  15. 26
    OhBoyo says:

    If all MPs had second jobs we would be able to stop paying them wages or expenses. Labour object to second jobs because who would employ any of them?

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  16. 36
    Ambrose Silk Esq says:

    Ahh didums!

    Tra laa!

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  17. 38
    atticvs says:

    Oh Harman Pride…voter apathy is down to governments not doing what real people want, and instead pandering to you politically correct twats….the ubiquitous man-in-the-street couldn’t give a flying shit for our pathetic MPs debating clause 58 !!…they’re too busy wondering how they put food on their tables because of the disaster caused by the pathetic bunch of lying, thieving crooks that run our country !….Clause 58 ????…you pathetic Hunt !!

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    • 58

      Remember Aitken, Mellor, Archer, Hamilton, brown envelopes, cash-for-questions?

      Thought not.

      Run along now.

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      • 67

        Remember your Labour “lords” – cash-for-laws?

        Scum.

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      • 69
        Laughing at Gordon says:

        Remember this lot?

        http://www.labour-watch.com/sleaze.htm

        Jog on.

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      • 71

        CCTV Star,

        Newsflash: No-one actually cares. People care about policies, not gossip and made-up nonsense.

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      • 81
        Laughing at Gordon says:

        So voters don’t care about Labour corruption, but they do about some old Conservative misdemeanours? Logic isn’t your strong point, evidently.

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      • 95
        Parliament of Pigfuckers says:

        Some of us do remember, and remember when disgraced MPs actually used to resign for the kind of things any member of the current cabinet would laugh off. The winning ZaNuLab combination of hectoring self-righteousness and total absence of shame has of course changed our political culture so much for the better since then. The triumph of egalitarianism – no-one could be so mean as to discriminate against catastrophic incompetence or outright criminality, could they?

        ‘Public virtue’ now is all about using the right words, is it not? Defraud the public purse; piss people’s hard-earned incomes against the wall; make a bonfire of the constitutional settlement; kill a few proles with insanitary hospitals and inadequate military kit, or even bounce them off your bumper; indulge yourself as you see fit – as long as you don’t break any PC taboos (those endless Puritan verbal doilies devised by your own inner fucking priesthood) your moral standing amongst your peers is undented.

        I hope (though I very much doubt) that you genuinely believe that more prodnosed hectoring against Bad Words and Bad Thoughts is just what the population are crying out for. Go for it. Here’s the slogan for you – ‘If you don’t vote Labour you’re a RACIST (and probably a Paedophile too)’. Bring Gordon on the campaign trail without his meds in his fucking nappy, gibbering and soiling himself, and tell us what evil bigots we are if we won’t help Britain’s first ‘Special’ Prime Minister win his childhood dream of actually being elected by someone other than a bunch of cretinous hardcore tribal voters in a rock-solid fucking rotten borough in one of the most godforsaken shitholes in Scotland. Promise billions of pounds for a new Office of Bottom Inspection to monitor the anal health of the whole population by force if necessary, with the natural exceptions of MPs and their fucking friends.

        Tell us how terribly, terribly disappointed you are with us all for not falling down in religious awe before His towering Presbyterian genius. Berate us for our ingratitude, and our ‘nastiness’ for resenting the beggary of our poor embattled country at your foul hands. Like Hitler, tell the people that they have failed you and that they do not deserve to outlive your glorious fucking Snotreich.

        I hope your expressions are televised, when it finally dawns just how much you are hated outside your charmed circle of self-congratulatory mutual onanists in the conjoined political and media classes. We’ve paid enough for your upkeep, the least you can do is give us some entertainment before you disappear into ignominy.

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      • 98

        You’ll have a chance to make your voice heard at the next election.

        Until then, we live in a Parliamentary Democracy. That means that we can run the country as we like, because WE WON in 2005 and YOU LOST.

        How hard is this for you to understand? It’s up to Gordon whether or not a minister resigns. Not up to you. He’s their boss.

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      • 99
        Oldie says:

        Harman bring up a very good point here, the tories are always considered the party of sleaze with the names she mentions. Derek Conway? Tory leadership must be hard on these type of people this time around…

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-510979/Second-sleaze-probe-Derek-Conway-just-misfortune-caught.html

        No way should they be in the today’s Tory party. Get them OUT…!! Our they will sink the party again..!!!

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      • 118
        atticvs says:

        Once again you twat you assume that there are only two (or three?) parties that have support in this country ??…you are in for a big shock come 2010 !!

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      • 131
        Hugh Jardon says:

        Hymen Pricked (you’d be lucky).
        You are a definite see you next tuesday..
        I would have typed Hunt..but it’d come out a a hoon!

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      • 139
        Anonymous says:

        Yeah, few grand that was. With Nuseless the minimum fee is tens of thousands.

        Give a million, get millions more in contracts, a peerage and a lucractive cabinet post.

        If you believe the rubbish you spout, you seriously need help. Noone else does believe it, least of all traditional labour voters.

        Even my very right-on, former tory-loathing sister is going to vote conservative to get Nuseless out. Maybe you should get out more.

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      • 182

        Harman Pride is a good advert for the Tory Party. You stay here. We like you. You are silly!

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      • 189
        Lochduart says:

        Plus the Wintertons (Cheshire MPs)

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      • 190
        Lochduart says:

        Plus the Wintertons (Cheshire MP)

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  18. 44
    Thick As Shit says:

    I really am thick as shit.

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  19. 55
    rugfish says:

    The 2% will have been fiddled.

    I think the 2% should declare their names and addresses so we can check it out.

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  20. 61
    Anonymous says:

    The mere presence of Salvatore Mundi in NYC has pushed the Dow up 2%. It’s amazing what a good laugh does for the spirits.

    Like

  21. 63

    If all of you hate modern, multicultural, diverse, tolerant, LGBT-friendly, equal-rights Britain so much, and spend all your time whining, why don’t you leave?

    No-one’s forcing you to stay.

    I for one won’t miss you.

    Run along now!

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    • 65
      Anon.. says:

      Nobody asked my opinion actually.

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    • 68
      DMH says:

      Not me or any of my family were asked.

      Like

    • 72
      Laughing at Gordon says:

      If you think that this site is abysmal, why have you spent so much time here today? You’re not being paid are you? If so, it can’t be much…

      Like

    • 75
      Anonymous says:

      Is comment 61 directed at our Muslim friends? Good on yer, Harman. See yer down at the old B’n’P.

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    • 77
      Anon. says:

      Jesus wept, are you wearing beer goggles or something? You make this country sound like a walk in the park.

      Like

    • 87
      ross martini says:

      The very fact that you put ‘Harman’ and ‘Pride’ in the same sentence proves that you’re a nutter, so we will ignore you.

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    • 132
      Call me Infidel says:

      Do you alternate between Harperson pride and Galloway pride? Signs of a split personality? As for the multicultural, diverse, tolerant, LGBT-friendly, equal-rights Britain good luck with that one. It may have escaped your attention but lesbian and gays are not particularly popular in muslim dominated countries. Do yourself a favour and do some reading on demographics.

      It must really be killing you left wing fuck-wits to see your supporters leaving in droves for another bunch of half-wit socialists the BNP and the irony is its your loony left policies that are pushing them that way. I’m glad you think you wont miss the tens of thousands of productive Britons that are leaving every year. My bet is you will but like most left wing morons will never admit the error of your ways.

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    • 133
      Hugh Jardon says:

      Hymen…would you say that if we all were ethnics??
      NOPE, thought not.
      Now, does us all a favour & go to your local woods & slit your fucking wrists..you hoon!

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    • 140
      Anonymous says:

      Noone forced you to make this country into a hate-filled, screeching, intolerant society. Find a gay-friendly dictatorship. Far more up your street than a freedom of speech loving democracy.

      Like

    • 160
      Gazza! says:

      I’m voting for BMP you fucking pig wearing lipstick Cu*t
      The only party that isn’t corrupt,but has beliefs.

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  22. 70
    DMH says:

    Racist

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  23. 76
    ron vibentrop says:

    “Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge when there is no river.”- Nikita Khuschev

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  24. 78
    Gordon's Brown says:

    Why won’t people buy my guilt

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  25. 84
    bofl says:

    har person…posting as a paid stooge with absolutely no pride- u are in the minority……..28% vote for the shitbag cuckoo loons…..that means 72% are against you…….

    so why dony YOU leave-
    preferably via beachy head!

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    • 90

      Did you vote for Veritas by any chance? lol

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      • 92
        Alexander McQueen says:

        ‘Lol’ is so last century you fuckwit. Do keep up.

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      • 93
        bofl says:

        no- i do not believe that any politicians actually want to serve anyone- except themselves!

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      • 96
        Lola says:

        Do you have any clue as to how and why you’ve screwed the country? I mean, do you know any bloody thing at all as to why leftyism always but always screws up? Time after time lefty’s try on the same same old tax ‘n spend and what happens – bankruptcy and a legacy of millions of workers either having to be laid off because you’ve screwed the economy or sitting in non-jobs and sinecures that have to be laid off as they aren’t doing anything anyway. Last time it was loads ofworkers in totally uncompetitive industries with no customers – about 3 million of them. This time its another 3 million sucking on the public teat doing well fuck all really. By not letting things die all you ever do is store up the problems for someone else to sort out. For God’s sake just go, and go now.

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      • 107

        I’ve put you down for Dignitas

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  26. 88
    Lord Purnell of Lies says:

    If that’s the real Polly Toynbee there, I want a fuckin’ word with you – you haven’t replied to my mail about your nasty little oppressive article in the Granduia….

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  27. 89
    John Ledbury says:

    Who elected him????

    Who does this unelected twat think he is to argue with the Governor of the Bank of England?

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    • 97

      Sigh! You must have gone to school under the Tories. Here’s a citizenship lesson for you:

      We live in a Parliamentary Democracy. That means we vote for a Party, not a PM.

      Labour won the last election and we can do exactly whatever we want until 2010, since we have a MAJORITY (more seats than all the other parties put together).

      That includes choosing any leader we want.

      And we know we’re on the right track when people like you and Guido are attacking us.

      Run along now.

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      • 101
        Old Labour says:

        … the membership of the Labour Party should vote for the leader. Not just the MPs.

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      • 109
        vlad the pimp says:

        Oh your on a track alright. Now we just need to chain you to the fucker and drive a train over you.

        And since you’re being all pedantic we don’t vote for a party, we vote for an individual who presents us with a manifesto that he/she promises to deliver on. Where’s the referendum on PR? The referendum on Lisbon? Why isn’t Blair still PM – like in the manifesto?

        Fucking Labour liars.

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      • 115

        I am handicapped. I can’t run.

        You BASTARD. I lost both legs in a bizarre LGBT dance competition in Stockwell Mosque doing the Stephen Lawrence Jitterbug with Ahmed the drag queen. I slipped on some jerk fairtrade lentil and fell onto Winston Banana who was carrying a chainsaw (for his own protection of course, racists are everywhere) and some filthy Tory golf playing doctor at the Tooting Soweto Memorial Hospital gave me MRSA.

        Now I am a performance artist/aromatherapist working with the Legs Akimbo Mandela Troupe, funded by Stonewall/Comic Relief.

        So there.

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      • 141
        Anonymous says:

        Yeah we vote for parties that lie in their manifesto pledges. And hoons like you think people don’t notice.

        Run along now moron.

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      • 154
        Lola says:

        Yep, you can do exactly as you want, and boy have you. By doing exactly what you want you have destroyed the UK economy. Gordon keeps saying he’ll do whatever it takes. Well, whatever it takes is for you, your failed leader and your failed philosophy to fuck off now.

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  28. 91
    gay monkey says:

    Harman Pride, like Mothers Pride only thicker.

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  29. 94
    Gallowsway Ride says:

    I’m looking forward to an upturn in business.

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  30. 100

    Could we have a whip round to raise a few quid so Dolly can afford a better class of person for his rebuttal unit?

    They really are fucking moronic, contradictory, ignorant, ill-educated and bereft of wit.

    Sad really.

    They are so bad it makes you nostalgic about Thick As Thieves!

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    • 102
      Sperm Whale says:

      Slide off a rock you little short legged Tory creature.

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    • 105

      You are thick as a thief for voting Tory.

      These are the people they really care about:

      David Cameron says he wants to help ordinary families but his first priority is to give 3,000 millionaires each a tax cut worth £200,000 on average.

      It’s a policy that does nothing for 96 per cent of families in this country.

      If they meant what they said then they’d drop their tax cuts for the wealthiest estates and instead they would support the £145 tax cut that Labour are giving to basic rate taxpayers.

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      • 111
        vlad the pimp says:

        More fucking Labour lies. By the time Brown, the fucking economic imbecile has finished printing money we’ll all be millionaires. Like in Zimbabwe.

        10p tax? Now who cares for the poor?

        Jackasses.

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      • 112
        gay monkey says:

        Do go away love, we’ll even buy you a fucking dildo if that’s what it takes.

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      • 113
        Anonymous says:

        Harperson, Make British people sell their houses to immigrants and non-domiciles from countries where there is no inheritance tax. Why is Britain the only country with IHT, even the Russians abolished it.

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      • 124
        yabbado says:

        Hey Harbitch, it’s alright for you millionaires to talk isn’t it?

        Now fuck off and some some ironing.

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      • 136
        Hugh Jardon says:

        tell you what..why don’t you propose a tax credit so that the less well off can go begging to your supreme leader….instead of just dropping the basic rate of tax.
        Prick!

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      • 142
        Anonymous says:

        oh ho ho ho.

        must be depressing when you realise that you’ve spun so much that noone believes a word you say anyone. Harman Pratt clearly hasn’t managed to grasp that yet.

        It would be funny, if it wasn’t so tragic.

        I think it’s Prescott. Or a botched program. It displays the same level of false caring, bull boy and stupidity one has come to expect from him

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      • 175
        IHT caused Gordon to Bottle it says:

        HP

        ‘David Cameron says he wants to help ordinary families but his first priority is to give 3,000 millionaires each a tax cut worth £200,000 on average.’

        And what of the hundreds of thousands of ‘hard working families’, who see their relatives scrimp and save and spend a life working, only to see fat, gay-boy, summer holiday homosexualist Cape Cod Gordon step and help himself to 40 percent.

        Taking what somebody has left after a lifetime of paying taxes? It doesn’t play in the country and you lot know it…

        See you on 4 June 2010.

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  31. 116
    Tode says:

    On the first question, try changing “MPs” for “people”.

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    • 143
      Anonymous says:

      No. I have far more faith and decency in the honesty of the average person than MPs.

      You’ve been hanging out in political circles for too long and believe everyone is as venal as your fellow travelers.

      And of course, most people are afraid to be thieves because they know the consequences. Unlike the thieving scum at Westminster.

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  32. 137
    wooly says:

    ANYONE but Labour

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  33. 145
    Anonymous says:

    Harman Twat is Galloway Pride is Dolly Diddums.

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  34. 150
  35. 151

    There are an awful lot of Labour trolls out today, they must be really rattled. Twats.

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    • 164
      jammy dogger says:

      Have there been any redundancies today at Labour HQ? If not, I’m sure it’s only a matter of time. Keep your spirits up at the back there!

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  36. 155
    Anonymous says:

    658 MPs and how many have been fingered for actually being dishonest? I can think of four to five at most.

    So yeah, 2% understand factual accuracy.

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    • 158
      bofl says:

      646 actually………keep drinking the cider……..

      an apologist for mps?

      crikey!

      weird!

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    • 162
      youdontknowme says:

      And the other 650 odd are too busy to make a fuss about it? Or just being polite?

      This is the most astonishing truce since christmas 1914.

      Like

    • 166
      Anonymous says:

      you might agree with legalised corruption and the John Lewis List. Normal people don’t.

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  37. 165

    […] A smart blogger added an interesting post today on Poll : 2% Think MPs Honest About Expenses Guy Fawkes blogHere’s a small readingYou just want thought crime for your pet causes to be acceptable. You have far more in common with the Saudis than you probably realise. 13. Lola says: March 25, 2009 at 2:51 pm. Good Grief! More delusional old cobblers. … […]

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  38. 170
    So17 says:

    What makes me puke about socialists is they don’t want poor people to prosper.They bask in the misery of others, cry crocodile tears for the downtrodden and will do their best to perpetuate the status quo.
    When the working class had the whip hand post WWII the response was to ship in a ready made underclass complete with its historical claim to persecution.
    ‘They came to do the jobs white people didn’t want to do’ goes the lie.
    There aint a shit job in the world that i’ve ever known a white person not prepared to do.
    Was it because the working class man dared ask for a decent wage for that job?
    The full burden of multicultarism has been born by the working class and to their credit they have took it on the chin but you wouldn’t think so to listen to a fucking socialist.

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    • 172
      bofl says:

      bang on!

      it is all about exploitation.

      communist russia had its rich……the party…….

      and others> the proles suffered.

      socialism is all a great lie!

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    • 177
      Lola says:

      Marxism begat Socialism. Marx knew he had to destory the moral values of the ‘honest working class’ – marriage, faith, strong family networks, paying your bills etc – if he was ever going to be able foment revolution. So that’s what he set about doing. The UK Labour party has pursued the same course by the use of ‘social justice’ and ‘benefits’. Both of which have transferred the respsonsibility from the family to the State, to be manipulated as best to enable Labour to gain power. It is a giant deceit.

      Personally I couldn’t give a stuff about class. I know more gents from the lower income strata than I do from the upper. And some of the most skilled tarts I know were born into the older, landed families – and catholics (although come to think of it they are more enthusiatsic than loose, if you see what I mean). There that should upset a few of you.

      The laugh is though that Marxism, in one respect, has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams, thanks to democratic, liberal capitalism. More people now own the means of production than ever before. Wealth creation under capitalism has spread share ownership throughout all classes of society, for example through collectives held in ISA’s or pension schemes or even in direct equity holdings.

      Freedom and markets. Doncha just love them.

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    Loafing in the BA lounge, T5 says:

    Fuck me…look at this on gumtree/london, The liberati taking the piss – legal aid no doubt. Raiding the taxpayer to allow shitbags to stay. Wonder why so fat-cat lawyers many have Maseratis and still vote Labour?

    ‘Based in Chancery Lane, London DavidsonMorris Solicitors specialises in UK immigration law. With over 14 years experience, we provide fast, efficient and innovative immigration solutions for our clients.

    Are you one of the hundreds of applicants who have been refused by the Home Office because your funds dipped below the threshold during the 3 months?

    You have an excellent chance of winning your appeal.

    We have recently won every case before the immigration courts when the only basis for refusal was maintenance.

    Next steps
    You only have a limited time to submit an appeal.

    If you wish for us to review the notice of refusal and advise if you will win your case, please forward a copy of the notice of the refusal with a summary of your immigration history in the UK,

    http://www.davidsonmorris.com/contact/helpform.htm

    Or call us to discuss + 44 (0) 207 061 6210

    Note – we do not charge a fee to review your papers and your initial consultation is free. If we do not consider that you will win your appeal, we will advise you in advance and not charge for the review.

    http://www.davidsonmorris.com

    DavidsonMorris Solicitors are regulated by the Solicitors Law Society of England and Wales

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  41. 184
    Moriarty says:

    As many as 2%? Surely that is within the margin of error?

    I would hope that that 2% can be attributed to sarcasm.

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  42. 185
    Anonymous says:

    It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money; is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? is there one vice you do not possess? ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves become the greatest grievance. Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God’s help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do; I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place; go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!

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  43. 186

    […] Guido Fawkes: Poll : 2% Think MPs Honest About Expenses […]

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The lefties are attacking because the panellist is a millionaire and lives in a London home worth upwards of two million. Someone had best tell them he’s called Ed Miliband.


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